From daemon Wed Sep 1 15:07:09 1999 Received: by net.bio.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id PAA02735; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:07:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:07:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909012207.PAA02735@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Wilfredo Pulido Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Subject: Lombriz Roja Californiana ? - Venezuela Muy respetados señores. Actualmente estoy desarrollando mi tesis de grado, requisito parcial para ascender a la categoría de Profesor Titular. En donde expongo como proyecto investigativo EL EFECTO DE TRES SUSTRATOS (ESTIERCOL BOVINO, BUFALO Y 50% DE AMBOS), SOBRE EL PESO DE LA LOMBRIZ ROJA CALIFORNIANA (Eisenia Foetida), EN CONDICION DE CAUTIVERIO He adquirido valiosa información en la Internet, en torno a este tipo de lombríz, inclusive de esta prestigiosa página web la cual ponen a disposición. Mi pregunta es, qué otra interesante información pueden facilitarme en torno a esta especie, a parte de la página descrita, podrán facilitarle las caracteristicas de su metabolismo, sistemas digestivos, esquemas anatómicos, alguna información adicional sobre su comportamiento en cautiverio (reacción a diferentes dimensiones de su entorno, adaptabilidad) etc. Realmente esta sería una información adicional muy valiosa, puesto que son muchas las personas de otros paises que han investigado y escrito sobre las lombrices, dedicandose a estudiar su comportamiento y sus posibles aplicaciones, desde hace mucho tiempo, pero en Venezuela hace aproximadamente cinco años en ciertos estados se inician estos procesos de investigación, como es el caso del Estado Delta Amacuro en donde sólo cuentan actualmente con dos productores en esta especialidad. Muy agradecidamente de antemano me despido en espera de su respuesta y ayuda: Ingeniero Agrónomo Julio Bolivar - de manos del Señor portador del correo Wilfredo Pulido. * Wilfredo J. Pulido G. - Technician I * Technology and Business Development East Venezuela * * Wilfredo.Pulido@Halliburton.com * * 058-091-502054 - Master: 058-091-526911 * Fax: 058-091-526553 -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Wed Sep 1 18:36:49 1999 Received: by net.bio.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id SAA26066; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:36:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:36:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909020136.SAA26066@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: bjamieson@zoology.uq.edu.au (Barrie Jamieson) Subject: Re: Lombriz Roja Californiana ? - Venezuela Dear colleague, My book BGM Jamieson (1981), "The Ultrastructure of the Oligochaeta", Academic Press, has much information on Eisenia fetida (the correct spelling, though I then used 'foetida'). Gates 1972 'Burmese earthworms' also has a good section on this species. There are of course numerous other sources. Regards, Barrie Jamieson >Muy respetados seÒores. > >Actualmente estoy desarrollando mi tesis de grado, requisito parcial para >ascender a la categorÌa de Profesor Titular. En donde expongo como proyecto >investigativo EL EFECTO DE TRES SUSTRATOS (ESTIERCOL BOVINO, BUFALO Y 50% DE >AMBOS), SOBRE EL PESO DE LA LOMBRIZ ROJA CALIFORNIANA (Eisenia Foetida), EN >CONDICION DE CAUTIVERIO Professor B.G.M. Jamieson Department of Zoology and Entomology University of Queensland Brisbane 4072 Queensland Australia Phone: +61 7 3365 2683 Fax: +61 7 3365 1655 email BJamieson@zoology.uq.edu.au -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Thu Sep 2 03:16:51 1999 Received: by net.bio.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id DAA02495; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:16:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 03:16:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909021016.DAA02495@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Alexander Muir Subject: Re: Lombriz Roja Californiana ? - Venezuela At 15:07 01/09/99 -0700, you wrote: >Actualmente estoy desarrollando mi tesis de grado, requisito parcial para >ascender a la categoría de Profesor Titular. En donde expongo como proyecto >investigativo EL EFECTO DE TRES SUSTRATOS (ESTIERCOL BOVINO, BUFALO Y 50% DE >AMBOS), SOBRE EL PESO DE LA LOMBRIZ ROJA CALIFORNIANA (Eisenia Foetida), EN >CONDICION DE CAUTIVERIO > >* Wilfredo J. Pulido G. - Technician I I must admit Spanish is not one of my languages, but can LA LOMBRIZ ROJA CALIFORNIANA be translated as the California red earthworm? The only reference I have to the California red is Minnich (1977 p.23) where it is given as a "common name" for Lumbricus rubellus. These "common names" can be a nuisance. I have recently had an enquiry about the blue-nose worm Dendrobaena. Does anyone know what species this is? Good luck with the thesis, Alex Muir. REFERENCE Minnich, J. 1977. The earthworm book. How to raise and use earthworms for your farm and garden. Rodale Press, Emmaus, PA. xii + 372 pages. Mr. A.I. Muir, Polychaete Research Group, Department of Zoology, The Natural History Museum, Cromwell Road, South Kensington, LONDON SW7 5BD, UNITED KINGDOM Tel: +44 (0)20 7942 5567 Fax: +44 (0)20 7942 5433 NOTE Cetacean strandings in the British Isles should be telephoned to me on 020 7942 5155 -- ANNELIDA Discuss = annelida@net.bio.net = talk to all members Server = biosci-server@net.bio.net = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Fri Sep 3 14:18:47 1999 Received: by net.bio.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id OAA06382; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 14:18:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 14:18:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909032118.OAA06382@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Matthew R Lee Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Subject: Polychaete textbook? Dear All, I have a simple question (famous last words) I'm looking for a polychaete textbook, covering the biology/ecology of polychaetes. I'm looking for general information on life cycles, reproductive modes, growth, physiology (with respect to environmental variables (salinity temp. etc.)), you get the picture. Any recommendations? Regards Matthew R. Lee. -- ANNELIDA Discuss = annelida@net.bio.net = talk to all members Server = biosci-server@net.bio.net = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Fri Sep 3 14:28:53 1999 Received: by net.bio.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id OAA07858; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 14:28:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 14:28:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909032128.OAA07858@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Phil Smith" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Subject: Recent additions to the UK marine fauna [ Received as a simultaneous cross-post to 3 lists inc. Annelida - GBR ] Some of you may be interested in looking out for two recent additions to the UK estuarine/marine fauna, especially those people working in estuaries in southern UK. Desdemona ornata is a small sabellid, superficially similar to Manayunkia aestuarina or Fabricia sabella. It has been recorded by Aquatic Environmental Consultants from Southampton Water, the Medina estuary (Isle of Wight) and from the Kingsbridge estuary. In fact we haven't done a recent survey of a southern England estuary where it wasn't present, so it seems to be expanding very rapidly. Grandidierella japonica is an aorid amphipod (though taxonomists disagree on which family it belongs to). It occurs with Aora gracilis in some locations in Southampton Water. The highest density recorded was 5800 per sq. metre, making it one of the most abundant amphipods in our surveys. Both species have probably come in via ballast water, though we can't prove that. If you want to see descriptions please look at: Smith, P; Perrett, J; Garwood, P and Moore, G (1999). Two additions to the UK marine fauna: Desdemona ornata Banse, 1957 (Polychaeta, Sabellidae) and Grandidierella japonica Stephensen, 1938 (Amphipoda, Gammaridea). Newsletter of the Porcupine Marine Natural History Society, Number 2, p8-11, July 1999. If any of you come across specimens I would be interested in knowing locations etc. Regards, Phil Phil Smith, AEC/3E Ltd, The Limes, Creedy Park, Crediton, Devon, EX17 4EB, UK Tel +44 1363 776456 fax 774656 e-mail earth@online.rednet.co.uk -- ANNELIDA Discuss = annelida@net.bio.net = talk to all members Server = biosci-server@net.bio.net = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Sat Sep 4 16:49:09 1999 Received: by net.bio.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id QAA23330; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 16:49:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 16:49:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909042349.QAA23330@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Geoff Read" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Subject: Re: Polychaete textbook? Matthew R. Lee wrote: > I have a simple question (famous last words) I'm looking for a > polychaete textbook, covering the biology/ecology of polychaetes. I'm > looking for general information on life cycles, reproductive modes, > growth, physiology (with respect to environmental variables (salinity > temp. etc.)), you get the picture. Any recommendations? I don't think there is anything like that available, but any modern textbook on invertebrates should have a polychaete chapter, and similarly any book on benthic ecology should have a lot of polychaete examples (e.g., Gray, J. S. 1981: The Ecology of Marine Sediments. Cambridge University Press.). Recommended reading lists could be produced for any one of the topics mentioned. Reproduction is particularly diverse in polychaetes so it would help to narrow the field of interest there first. Some general works to investigate are: Fauvel, P. 1959: Classe des Annelides Polychetes Annelida Polychaeta (Grube, 1851). In: Grasse, P.-P. ed. Traite de Zoologie. Anatomie, Systematique, Biologie. Paris, Masson et Cie. Vol. 5. Pp. 13-196. Dales, R. P. 1963: Annelids. London, Hutchinson University Library. 1st ed [2nd Ed 1967] Schroeder, P. C.; Hermans, C. O. 1975: Annelida: Polychaeta. In: Giese, A. C.; Pearse, J. S. ed. Reproduction of Marine Invertebrates, Vol. 3 Annelids and echiurans. London, Academic Press. Pp. 1-213 Mill, P. J. 1978: Physiology of Annelids. Academic Press. 683 pp Giangrande, A. 1997: Polychaete reproductive patterns, life cycles and life histories: an overview. Oceanography and Marine Biology: an Annual Review 35: 323-386. -- Geoff Read -- ANNELIDA Discuss = annelida@net.bio.net = talk to all members Server = biosci-server@net.bio.net = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Sat Sep 4 19:55:38 1999 Received: by net.bio.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id TAA11833; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 19:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 19:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909050255.TAA11833@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: bjamieson@zoology.uq.edu.au (Barrie Jamieson) Subject: Re: Polychaete textbook? There is also: The Ultrastructure of the Polychaeta. Westheide, W. and Hermans, C.O. eds. Microfauna Marina 4. pp. 397-428. Gustav Fischer Verlag, Stuttgart. Greg Rouse is, I believe, far advanced in the preparation of a text book on the Polychaeta and may wish to provide information. Barrie Jamieson Professor B.G.M. Jamieson Department of Zoology and Entomology University of Queensland Brisbane 4072 Queensland Australia Phone: +61 7 3365 2683 Fax: +61 7 3365 1655 email BJamieson@zoology.uq.edu.au -- ANNELIDA Discuss = annelida@net.bio.net = talk to all members Server = biosci-server@net.bio.net = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Sun Sep 5 15:07:58 1999 Received: by net.bio.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id PAA17090; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:07:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:07:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909052207.PAA17090@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Jack Pearce Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Subject: Re: Polychaete textbook? Dear All, I suggest that the annelid fan(s) consult: Florkin, M. and B. Scheer. l969. Chemical Zoo- logy. Vol. IV. Annelida, Echiura, and Sipuncu- la. Academic Press.548pp. This comprehensive volume has literally tons of info by the likes of Prof. R.B.Clark, Rod Dales, et al. Hartman, O. l95l. Literature of the Polychaetous Annelids. Vol. I. Bibliography. Allan Hancock Foundation, USC. Edwards Brothers, Inc., Ann Arbor, Michigan. 290 pp. A comprehensive compilation not likely to be seen again. Reish, D. and P. Qian. l997. Fifth International Polychaete Conference, Qingdao, PRC. Again a recent compilation covering ecology, morpho logy, etc. With the foregoing, a real textbook. Ushakov, P.V. l974. Fauna of the USSR. Poly- chaetes. (in English). Israel Program for Scien- tific Translations. Jerusalem. Another good compilation of general and taxonomic info. Banse, K. and K. Hobson. l974. Benthic Erran- tiate Polychaetes. Bulletin of the Fisheries Re- search Board of Canada. Bulletin l85. A good introduction and loads of fairly recent refs as well as keys and descriptions (plus a summary in French). The above would constitute a great text along with the Dales and Mills volumes referenced by Read above. My library also has volumes (taxonomic with fair amts of biology) on the Medit., middle east, and far east poly chaetes; I can only imagine what sits on the shelves at MBL!!! Cheers, Jack B. Pearce Buzzards Bay Lab 54 Upland Rd. Falmouth MA, USA 02540 l-508-540-4572 (voice), 457-0105 (fax) buzbay@cape.com Geoff Read wrote: > Matthew R. Lee wrote: > > I have a simple question (famous last words) I'm looking for a > > polychaete textbook, covering the biology/ecology of polychaetes. I'm > > looking for general information on life cycles, reproductive modes, > > growth, physiology (with respect to environmental variables (salinity > > temp. etc.)), you get the picture. Any recommendations? -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Sun Sep 5 15:15:47 1999 Received: by net.bio.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id PAA17787; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:15:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:15:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909052215.PAA17787@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Dan Shain Subject: Enchytraeus Dear Annelidians, I recently received a shipment of "Enchytraeus" (Cat. # L393) from Carolina Biological Supply Co. The worms are white, ~1cm in length, ~1 mm diameter, and they cluster together in moist soil. Does anybody know the genus and species of these worms and/or an appropriate place to start searching? Thank you very much. Dan Shain dshain@crab.rutgers.edu -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Sun Sep 5 16:03:50 1999 Received: by net.bio.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id QAA22226; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 16:03:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 16:03:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909052303.QAA22226@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Chris Glasby" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Organization: NIWA Subject: Re: Polychaete textbook? Matthew R. Lee wrote: > I have a simple question (famous last words) I'm looking for a > polychaete textbook, covering the biology/ecology of polychaetes. I'm > looking for general information on life cycles, reproductive modes, > growth, physiology (with respect to environmental variables (salinity > temp. etc.)), you get the picture. Any recommendations? In addition to the suggestions of Geoff and Barrie I can add that the Fauna of Australia volume on Polychaeta, Myzostomida, Pogonophora, Echiura, Sipuncula is nearing completion - it is in the early page proof stage. The 'polychaete' part (excluding myzos, pogs and ?echiurans) comprises about 300 pp and includes specific chapters on natural history (including physiology, reproduction, life cycles etc) and ecology of polychaetes, as well as others on phylogeny, biogeography and fossils; also these topics are covered in more detail in each of the family-level chapters. Stay tuned for notification of its publication and purchase details. Chris Dr Chris Glasby National Institute for Water & Atmospheric Research PO Box 14-901, Kilbirnie Wellington, New Zealand email: c.glasby@niwa.cri.nz phone: 64-4-386 0300; fax: 64-4-386 2153 -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Sun Sep 5 21:39:30 1999 Received: by net.bio.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id VAA28855; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 21:39:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 21:39:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909060439.VAA28855@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Prof Barrie Jamieson Subject: Re: Enchytraeus Dear Dan, Very likely Enchytraeus albidus but you need to check. I suggest: C. Overgaard Nielsen and Bent Christensen (1959). The Enchytraeidae: Critical revison and taxonomy of European species. Naturhistorisk Museum, Aarhus. Good hunting, Barrie -- The University of Queensland, Zoology Department Barrie Jamieson Professor of Zoology E-Mail : BJamieson@zoology.uq.edu.au -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- w the field on the reproduction stuff, here's what I'm thinking about. I'm a meiobenthologist working on exposed sandy beaches in central Chile. Meiofaunal polychaetes are abundant (some times dominant) members of the meiobenthos on these beaches, particularly Saccocirrus and Pisione. I also commonly encounter members of the Protodrilidae, Nerillidae, Hesionidae and Syllidae. One of the questions I'm interested in is dispersal, given that most meiofaunal organisms complete their entire life-cycle within the sediment, how do they disperse in the absence of a pelagic larval stage. The question of the reproduction of Pisione was raised on the list a few months ago. What kind of larvae do the species I see in the meiobenthos have? I think Nerillidae have benthic larvae, but I'm sure about the rest. Regards Matt -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Sun Sep 5 23:51:12 1999 Received: by net.bio.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id XAA14087; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 23:51:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 23:51:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909060651.XAA14087@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Geoff Read" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Organization: NIWA (Nat. Inst. Water & Atmos. Res. NZ) Subject: Re: Polychaete textbook? > I'm looking for a > polychaete textbook I waited a day hoping someone would step in and reply before I had to. Obviously I should have waited longer. :-) Information on all the Polychaete Conference publications, and some general info about where polychaete research is published is at the Annelid Resources site. I've just updated and extended that old page on polychaete journals and books on polychaete taxonomy to include some of the topic-specific polychaete biology books and some review articles: http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/p-journ.html Let me know what I've missed. Annelida moderator -- Geoff Read -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Mon Sep 6 04:27:51 1999 Received: by net.bio.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id EAA17387; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 04:27:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 04:27:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909061127.EAA17387@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Dorresteijn" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Subject: Re: Polychaete Textbook? Dear Matthew and Colleagues, I would like to highlight the upcoming volume 402 of Hydrobiologia with the title "Reproductive Strategies and Developmental Patterns in Annelids" under the editorship of Prof. Westheide and myself, the largest part of which covers the polychaetes. The chapters of that volume are based on the contributions at an international meeting with the same title in September 1997 at Osnabrueck. Kluwer Academic Press is now preparing the final version and we expect it to appear in November/December of this year. Yours wormly, Adriaan **************************************** Prof. Dr. Adriaan Dorresteijn Universität Mainz Zoologisches Institut Abt. 1 55099 Mainz Tel.: 06131-394273 Fax.:06131-393835 Email: dorreste@mail.uni-mainz.de **************************************** -- ANNELIDA Discuss = annelida@net.bio.net = talk to all members Server = biosci-server@net.bio.net = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Mon Sep 6 16:01:21 1999 Received: by net.bio.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id QAA14718; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 16:01:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 16:01:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909062301.QAA14718@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Geoff Read" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Organization: NIWA (Nat. Inst. Water & Atmos. Res. NZ) Subject: Re: Bobbit Worm Members will recall the enquiry from the BBC Wildlife magazine lady? The 'bobbit worm' photo has duly appeared in a nice one page 'Amazing facts' spread in the September '99 issue (vol17(9) - Mr Badger on the front). It's credited to Roger Steene who has already published a photo in one of his books and presumably submitted it in hope of a few $$$ from the BBC. There are definite signs that the caption has been influenced for the better by information from Annelida. > >From: Rachel Ashton > >To: "'a.glover@nhm.ac.uk'" > >Subject: BOBBIT WORM > >Date: Tue, Jul 27, 1999, 12:42 pm > > Do you know ANYTHING about this amazing animal? -- Geoff Read -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Mon Sep 6 20:44:57 1999 Received: by net.bio.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id UAA16681; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909070344.UAA16681@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Geoff Read" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Organization: NIWA (Nat. Inst. Water & Atmos. Res. NZ) Subject: The fate of the early adopters Hello Annelida, "A more serious problem ... is evanescent names. In active periods of phylogenetic investigation, a given phylogenetic hypothesis may last only until the next publication, and some taxa based on it ... may become absurd or redundant units." - B. Roth, Veliger 41(3):295 I think we are experiencing this now in the annelids and related groups, and I admit I have been as gullible (if that's the word for it) as anyone else, though I have not (yet) ventured into print with Scolecida or Palpata. Some people who have done the equivalent are: Miner, B. G., E. Sandord, R. R. Strathmann, B. Pernet, & R. B. Emlet. 1999. Functional and evolutionary implications of opposed bands, big mouths, and extensive oral ciliation in larval opheliids and echiurids (Annelida).— Biological Bulletin, 197:14-25. According to this paper (and its referees presumably) Phylum Echiura is now definitely the Echiuridae in Phylum Annelida. I don't suppose it matters in the context of a paper on behaviour of larvae of 2 worm species that they might have got it wrong or at least have been premature, but I think I would have been a little more circumspect, and I'm also bemused at how one person's speculation can become another's de facto classification in one hop. Evidently taxonomic procedures are redundant or not known and the new ICZN code might as well not exist. Be careful out there. All is not as cut and dried as it might seem. :-) -- Geoff Read -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Tue Sep 7 14:47:37 1999 Received: by net.bio.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id OAA25741; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:47:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:47:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909072147.OAA25741@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: bjamieson@zoology.uq.edu.au (Barrie Jamieson) Subject: Re: The fate of the early adopters Hello Annelida, Geoff makes important points but the old ICZN was, of course, not concerned with higher categories. Presumably, though, Aciculata, for instance, would not be used (or should not be used?) unless the user had good reasons to support it. This brings me to ask (and perhaps I should have browsed the web) is the new ICZN available on the web or other electronic form? I am sure that the answer to the latter question will be of interest to many annelidans. Yours, Barrie Professor B.G.M. Jamieson Department of Zoology and Entomology University of Queensland Brisbane 4072 Queensland Australia Phone: +61 7 3365 2683 Fax: +61 7 3365 1655 email BJamieson@zoology.uq.edu.au -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Tue Sep 7 14:52:55 1999 Received: by net.bio.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id OAA27034; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:52:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:52:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909072152.OAA27034@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Kristian Fauchald" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Subject: Re: The fate of the early adopters Just a mild reminder: The current Code does not do anything about names above the family-level and poor old Echiuridae has been used as a family, in a rather more restricted sense of course, among the cognoscenti. Thus, picking up an old family name and emending it, which is something we routinely have been doing for years, is not on nomenclatoral grounds unusual. It is however, somewhat unusual to see a changed usage start in a paper on larval feeding bands. It should lead to studies of the relationships between the annelids as currently recognized and their relatives; hopefully with new information added, and that would be very good indeed. The position of the echiurans in relation to the polychaetes is not at all easy to resolve on morphological grounds. Kristian Fauchald -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Tue Sep 7 14:59:51 1999 Received: by net.bio.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id OAA27944; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:59:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:59:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909072159.OAA27944@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Paul Schroeder" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Subject: Polychaete text Dear Annelidans, I was interested to find the series of contributions on a polychaete book when I returned to my office this morning. As some of you know, I have been working on such a book for about a year; I've found that it is a bigger job than first anticipated, so I think it will be several more years before the opus can be presented to a publisher. This volume should be complimentary to that being prepared by Greg Rouse and Fred Pleijel. (We have compared notes.) The approach will be biological rather than taxonomic. Meanwhile, all the volumes cited will serve both the potential users and myself as sources of information Now, if we can only decide what to include in the polychaetes! Paul Paul C. Schroeder Dept. of Zoology Washington State University Pullman, WA 99164-4236 USA schroede@wsu.edu -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Tue Sep 7 16:46:02 1999 Received: by net.bio.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id QAA14493; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:46:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:46:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909072346.QAA14493@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: bjamieson@zoology.uq.edu.au (Barrie Jamieson) Subject: Re: The fate of the early adopters Hello Annelida, Sorry to burden my colleagues with further mail but I want to add that my example of the Aciculata did not mean (as it might be read) that I do not support the Rouse Fauchald classification. As a cladist (but not a polychaete expert) I find it highly convincing, with very few reservations. Barrie Professor B.G.M. Jamieson Department of Zoology and Entomology University of Queensland Brisbane 4072 Queensland Australia Phone: +61 7 3365 2683 Fax: +61 7 3365 1655 email BJamieson@zoology.uq.edu.au -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Tue Sep 7 17:43:45 1999 Received: by net.bio.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id RAA22265; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:43:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:43:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909080043.RAA22265@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Geoff Read" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Organization: NIWA (Nat. Inst. Water & Atmos. Res. NZ) Subject: Freebie ICZN code > This brings me to ask (and perhaps I should have browsed the web) is the > new ICZN available on the web or other electronic form? I am sure that the > answer to the latter question will be of interest to many annelidans. Yours, No. They need the money. Purchase details are at http://www.iczn.org/code.htm -- Geoff Read -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Wed Sep 8 04:18:51 1999 Received: by net.bio.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id EAA04544; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 04:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 04:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909081118.EAA04544@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Michel ROPERT Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Organization: ifremer Subject: Polydora sp. Dear annelidians, I have a question about Polydora (polychaete spionidae). We search a fast and efficient method to evaluate the oyster (Crassostrea gigas) infestation level by the polychaete Polydora (mainly P. ciliata and P. hoplura). For the moment, we assess by numbering of the visible galleries on the valve interior face. This technique is not totally satisfactory because this technique doesn't allow to see juveniles. My questions is: Does it exist an efficient technique to take Polydora out of their gallery? Thus we would can count directly animals rather than tubes. Perhaps someone have few papers about these method or similar. Thank you very much. Michel ROPERT mropert@ifremer.fr -- ANNELIDA Discuss = annelida@net.bio.net = talk to all members Server = biosci-server@net.bio.net = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Wed Sep 8 14:44:22 1999 Received: by net.bio.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id OAA26314; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:44:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:44:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909082144.OAA26314@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: s.handley@niwa.cri.nz Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Organization: N I W A Subject: Re: Polydora sp. Dear Michel I developed a method of grading the shells to quantify infestations which gave quite good results for my MSc. thesis. See: Handley, S.J. & Bergquist, P.R. 1997a. Spionid polychaete infestations of intertidal Pacific oysters Crassostrea gigas (Thunberg), Mahurangi Harbour, Northern New Zealand. Aquaculture. 153: 191-205. As far as extracting spionids, below is a previous message in reply to a similar request a few years ago. It would be worthwhile checking Geoff's Annelida archives on the web page for other replies around that time. Date sent: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 11:34:27 GMT+1200 Subject: Re: Extracting polydorids > I would be grateful for any suggestions on how to extract polydorids A method I have used to extract spionids from oysters is the use of the vermifuges: 0.5% phenol and/or 0.25% di-dichlorobenzene in seawater. The worms are expelled from their host if left overnight in these solutions. Caution is advised working with di- chlorobenzene... For further reading on vermifuges and acid dissolution of coral see: MacKenzie, C.L.; Shearer, L.W. 1959: Chemical control of Polydora websteri and other annelids inhabiting oyster shells. Proceedings - National Shellfisheries Association 50: 105-111. Brock, R.E. and Brock, J.H. 1977: A method for quantitatively assessing the infaunal community in coral rock. Limnol.Oceanogr. 22:948-951, . Regards....Sean _________________________________________ Dr Sean Handley Marine Ecologist National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research (NIWA) P.O. Box 893, Nelson, New Zealand Ph (64 03)5481715 DDI (64 03) 545 7735 Fax (64 03)5481716 http://www.niwa.cri.nz/ _________________________________________ -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Wed Sep 8 14:44:17 1999 Received: by net.bio.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id OAA26309; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:44:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:44:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909082144.OAA26309@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Colin Hermans Subject: Re: Polychaete textbook? >>Matthew R. Lee wrote: >>> I have a simple question (famous last words) I'm looking for a >>> polychaete textbook, covering the biology/ecology of polychaetes. I'm >>> looking for general information on life cycles, reproductive modes, >>> growth, physiology (with respect to environmental variables (salinity >>> temp. etc.)), you get the picture. Any recommendations? I recommend Westheide, W. (1990) Polychaetes: Interstitial Families. In Synopsis of the British Fauna (New Series) No. 44, D. M. Kermack and R. S. K.Barnes, eds. Universal Book Services/W. Backhuys, Oegstgeest, The Netherlands. Colin O. Hermans Department of Biology Sonoma State University Rohnert Park, CA 94928 AND 42 Wild Turkey Lane Friday Harbor, WA 98250 (Phone 360-378-1342) (FAX 360-378-1329) -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Wed Sep 8 14:50:28 1999 Received: by net.bio.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id OAA27540; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:50:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:50:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909082150.OAA27540@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Meh, David" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Subject: Haementeria ghilianii (Amazon leeches) Does anyone have suggestions as to how our lab could obtain some Haementeria ghilianii (Amazon leeches). We are interested in isolating one of the enzymes which degrades fibrinogen. There is no commercial source for the enzyme so we are contemplating growing our own leeches and purifying the enzyme ourselves. Thanks for your help, David Meh The Blood Center of Southeastern Wisconsin Fibrinogen Research Lab (414) 937-3841 E-mail: dmeh@bcsew.edu <<...>> -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Wed Sep 8 16:46:33 1999 Received: by net.bio.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id QAA13886; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 16:46:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 16:46:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909082346.QAA13886@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Dr. Julie Brock" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Subject: Re: Haementeria ghilianii (Amazon leeches) [Biopharm have a web address: http://www.biopharm-leeches.com/ and there is a Usa firm at: http://accurate-assi-leeches.com/leeches/index.html Both sites are linked on my 'Field-trips' page -- Moderator] Try Roy Sawyer, the leech grower for med research in Wales UK. All i have is his mailing address Dr Sawyer, Biopharm (UK), 2, Bryngwili Rd, Hendy, Dyfed, SA 41XB, UK Aloha Julie Brock -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Wed Sep 8 21:16:38 1999 Received: by net.bio.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id VAA17138; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:16:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:16:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909090416.VAA17138@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Geoff Read" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Organization: NIWA (Nat. Inst. Water & Atmos. Res. NZ) Subject: Re: The fate of the early adopters > Evidently taxonomic procedures are > redundant or not known and the new ICZN code might as well not exist. To clarify - as regards the status of Echiura, or (the other recent one) Pogonophora, of course taxonomic procedures must be followed when contemplating a reduction of a phylum to family-level in another phylum. The explanation should have enough detail of the history of the names (or provide sources for same) to help people understand how the decision was reached. Otherwise we have to take it on faith - and science and faith don't go together. Also, and crucially, the code tightly regulates priority of family names of which there are several in the echiurans. Subsequent to a 1997 molecular paper (the authority used by Miner et al. in their larval paper on Urechis caupo) Nishikawa examined the dates of family and genus names in Echiura. The relevant ones are as follows: Thalassema Pallas, 1774 Echiurus Guerin-Meneville, 1831 Thalassematidae Forbes & Goodsir, 1841 Echiuridae Quatrefages, 1847 If he is correct, and if it is appropriate that Echiura be moved into Annelida, and if it is to be at family level - three big 'ifs', with the last as far as I know yet to be demonstrated -, then the family name for spoon worms / former echiurans is most likely the oldest, the Thalassematidae, and not the Echiuridae. So there you go! An alternative viewpoint. Unless I've overlooked something obvious (entirely possible), or there is Commission decision stabilising on Echiuridae then there is a case for arguing it is not the valid name. My point is that the minutiae of genera and species names are constantly analysed. I would like to see the same detailed reasoning accompanying major changes to the scope of family names proposed from any of the variously-derived new classifications that we find so irresistible. Above the family level can be a degree of anarchy and creativity, and nobody minds much; at and below there is more constraint. When the two coincide we must be careful. Nishikawa, T. 1998. Nomenclatural remarks on the family-group names of the Phylum Echiura.— Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington, 111:249-256 -- Geoff Read -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Fri Sep 10 11:33:17 1999 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id LAA08107; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909101833.LAA08107@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Harry A. ten Hove" Subject: Re: Ficopomatus enigmaticus settlement >I am looking for informations about a possible influence of the light on >the fixing of Ficopomatus enigmaticus. > >I'm doing an internship at Ifremer, La Trinite-sur-Mer (France), working >for Patrick Camus. > >We have put slates in Vannes' harbour and noticed that the worms were >fixed on one side more than on the other. > >Could someone give us more informations about that? >Thank you for your help. > >Sophie Untersinger > >e-mail : sophie.untersinger@ifremer.fr I may have missed possible answers to this question, but seen none so far. Hence this late reply. Maybe the few answers (unless sent to you directly) is because of the openness of your question. Of course, light is not the only factor influencing settling, and in what I can see from your two lines about your experiment, for instance currents might have some effect as well. Then it absolutely is not evident what you have done yourself to find literature, not motivating for others to step in. A simple computersearch via your University Library in the biosis database for fouling might come up with about 10000 titles (maybe even more, I cannot recall the exact numbers from 10 years ago when I had my last go at it). Adding Ficopomatus and Mercierella (its older synonym is not automatically recognized by a computer) to the key-words might bring the number down to 100 or so, and give you a nice start for tackling your problem. Ficopomatus enigmaticus is one of the species most published about, it figures in my indexes with about 500 titles, and if I remember correctly there are at least 15 Russian papers on Mercierella fouling in Black Sea, Caspian Sea and thereabouts alone. You might find some information of interest for your studies in the following, aselect list of papers: Dixon, D.R., 1980.- The energetics of tube production by Mercierella enigmatica (Polychaeta: Serpulidae). J. mar. biol. Ass. U.K. 60: 655-659, 2 figs. Dixon, D.R., 1981.- Reproductive biology of the serpulid Ficopomatus (Mercierella) enigmatica in the Thames estuary, S.E. England. J. mar. biol. Ass. U.K. 61: 805-815, 6 figs. Straughan, D., 1972a.- Ecological studies of Mercierella enigmatica Fauvel (Annelida: Polychaeta) in the Brisbane River. J. Anim. Ecol. 41: 93-136, 12 figs. Straughan, D., 1972b.- The influence of seasonal rainfall and water temperature on the population of Mercierella enigmatica Fauvel (Annelida: Polychaeta) in the Ross River estuary, North Queensland. J. exp. mar. Biol. Ecol. 9: 165-172, 4 figs. Be aware however, that Straughan mixed up two species of Ficopomatus: enigmaticus and uschakovi, and that most probably her observations regard the latter species (see Hove, H.A. ten, & J.C.A. Weerdenburg, 1978.- A generic revision of the brackish-water serpulid Ficopomatus (Southern 1921) (Polychaeta: Serpulinae), including Mercierella Fauvel 1923, Sphaeropomatus Treadwell 1934, Mercierellopsis Rioja 1945 and Neopomatus Pillai 1960. Biol. Bull. 154: 96-120, 6 figs.) Thorp, C.H., 1987.- Ecological studies on the serpulid Ficopomatus enigmaticus (Fauvel) in a brackish millpond. Porcupine Newsl. 4, 1: 14-19, 8 figs. Thorp, C.H., 1994.- Population variation in Ficopomatus enigmaticus (Fauvel) (Polychaeta, Serpulidae) in a brackish millpond at Emsworth, West Sussex, U.K. . In: J.-C. Dauvin & L. Laubier & D.J. Reish (eds), 1994. Actes de la 4ème Conf. int. Polychètes. Mém. Mus. natn. Hist. nat. 162: 585-591, 1 fig., 2 tabs. Vuillemin, S., 1965.- Contribution à l'étude écologique du lac de Tunis. Biologie de Mercierella enigmatica Fauvel. Thesis, Paris, A 4622 (5469), 554 pp., illustrated. dr. 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You can also request a user address form by e-mail from biosci-help@net.bio.net. Please check your database entry from time-to-time to see if your address information is still up-to-date. Because of our limited personnel resources, we ask that you resubmit a *complete* form to revise your entry; we only replace complete entries and do not have resources to edit old forms. -- ANNELIDA Discuss = annelida@net.bio.net = talk to all members Server = biosci-server@net.bio.net = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Mon Sep 13 04:04:29 1999 Received: by net.bio.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id EAA20369; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 04:04:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 04:04:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909131104.EAA20369@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Stephanie & Mark LLeonart Subject: Re: Polydora sp. Dear Michel, To drive "mudworms" such as P.hoplura and related species from their burrows a mixture of 0-dichlorobenzene and phenol solutions can be used. I use 100 ppm and 500 ppm respectively. Several hours exposure are required and this is some what temperature dependent. An overnight exposure after being set up the previous afternoon will drive most adult worm from the shells but may kill or degrade settling larvae making identification difficult. Mackenzie & Shearer 1959 (from memory) was an early paper on the subject. regards, Mark LL -- ANNELIDA Discuss = annelida@net.bio.net = talk to all members Server = biosci-server@net.bio.net = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Tue Sep 14 20:38:06 1999 Received: by net.bio.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id UAA08709; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:38:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:38:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909150338.UAA08709@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Dan Shain Subject: Head pores Hello again annelidians, Some annelids have distinct head pores at or near the tip of their prostomium. What function(s) does this serve? Dan Shain Biology Dept. Rutgers University Camden, NJ 08102-1411 dshain@crab.rutgers.edu -- ANNELIDA Discuss = annelida@net.bio.net = talk to all members Server = biosci-server@net.bio.net = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Wed Sep 15 15:05:57 1999 Received: by net.bio.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id PAA20711; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:05:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:05:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909152205.PAA20711@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Land, J. van der" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Subject: Re: The fate of the early adopters Nishikawa's discovery (1998) that Echiuridae Blainville, 1828 is not available and should correctly be cited as Echiuridae Quatrefages, 1847, is indeed somewhat disturbing. Thalassematidae Forbes & Goodsir, 1841 is generally considered a synonym (sometimes as subfamily Thalassematinae) and consequently should have priority over Echiuridae. Nishikawa did not make this conclusion and I think he is right. This is typically a case that should be brought to the ICZN, which will certainly safe Echiuridae. "The Principle of Priority is to be used to promote stability and is not intended to be used to upset a long-accepted name in its accustomed meaning ..." I do not agree with Geoff''s statement "Above the family level can be a degree of anarchy and creativity, and nobody minds much". This is a great nuissance to the user community. Taxonomists have a strong tendency to change names and they are not that much interested in stability. They can not be very creative at the species level but they are totally free at the family and genus level (erecting new families and genera is about the easiest thing to do because you need not look at specimens). However, above the family level there is even more anarchy because everybody is allowed to change names. During my editorial work for the Unesco-IOC Register of Marine Organisms I had to look at all groups and found changes of names to be very common and almost always unneeded. The reasons given are often very odd. The name Echiura is a good example. When Stephen died in 1966 he left an unfinished manuscript of a monograph on the "Gephyrea". In this he had changed the names Sipunculida, Echiurida and Priapulida into Sipuncula, Echiura and Priapula. He gave as a reason that the english equivalents were the same as for the families Sipunculidae, Echiuridae and Priapulidae, although it is unlikely that vernacular names will ever be needed for these families. I took over the Priapulida and retained that name but Edmonds accepted the changes when finishing the bulk of the manuscript (1972). A great disadvantage of changes of names is that many groups are being mentioned in the litterature by two different names during a long period of time. It cost Cnidaria over 40 years to take over from Coelenterata and Scleractinia's victory over Madreporaria took a similar period. The user community would be served best if taxonomists applied the rules of the ICZN code for the higher groups as well, whenever possible. Dr Jacob van der Land National Museum of Natural History - Naturalis Leiden - the Netherlands e-mail: land@naturalis.nnm.nl editor of Unesco-IOC Register of Marine Organisms (URMO): http://www2.eti.uva.nl/database/urmo/default.html -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Wed Sep 15 15:05:56 1999 Received: by net.bio.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id PAA20707; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:05:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:05:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909152205.PAA20707@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Sara Lindsay" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Organization: University of Maine System Subject: Re: Head pores Dan, Good question. And here's one for you. At what magnification do you see these pores? I am in the midst of a study of sensory structures on the palps and prostomium of various spionid polychaetes, especially Polydora quadrilobata. SEM shows that P. quadrilobata has a fantastic distribution of ciliated sensory structures and adjacent pores all over its prostomium (I'll be showing pictures at the SICB meeting in Atlanta in January). My guess (and hope) is that both are chemosensory structures. I still have to do the TEM to know the ultrastructure better. I am also in the early stages of developing molecular probes for chemosensory receptors, with the aim of doing in situ hybridizations to localize expression patterns of genes encoding chemoreceptors. I too would like to hear others' comments on these structures. Cheers, Sara Lindsay > Some annelids have distinct head pores at or near the tip of their > prostomium. What function(s) does this serve? -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Wed Sep 15 19:25:27 1999 Received: by net.bio.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id TAA22098; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 19:25:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 19:25:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909160225.TAA22098@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Dan Shain Subject: Re: Head pores Sara, I don't believe we are referring to the same "head pores". The multiple pores you mention (probably 1-2 microns in diameter) may well be associated with chemosensation; alternatively, they may be secreting mucus. The head pore observed in some oligochaetes (i.e., some enchytraeidae) is 100-150 microns across and there is only one on each worm. Dan >Good question. And here's one for you. At what magnification do you see >these pores? I am in the midst of a study of sensory structures on the >palps and prostomium of various spionid polychaetes, especially Polydora >quadrilobata. SEM shows that P. quadrilobata has a fantastic distribution of >ciliated sensory structures and adjacent pores all over its prostomium >(I'll be >showing pictures at the SICB meeting in Atlanta in January). My guess >(and hope) is that both are chemosensory structures. I still have to do the >TEM to know the ultrastructure better. I am also in the early stages of >developing molecular probes for chemosensory receptors, with the aim of >doing in situ hybridizations to localize expression patterns of genes >encoding chemoreceptors. > >I too would like to hear others' comments on these structures. > >Cheers, >Sara Lindsay > > >> Some annelids have distinct head pores at or near the tip of their >> prostomium. What function(s) does this serve? Dan Shain -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Wed Sep 15 21:05:06 1999 Received: by net.bio.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id VAA04739; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909160405.VAA04739@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Hannelore Paxton" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Organization: Dept. of Biological Sciences Subject: Re: Head pores In the family Onuphidae the styles of palps and antennae have very conspicuous sensory structures. They consist of semicircles to full circles (up to 10 micrometer diameter) of pores with smaller pores and cilia in the centre. They are particularly well developed in the genus Diopatra where I have used them as a diagnostic character. In most species they are flat, while in others they are raised like little papillae and occur in more or less regular longitudinal rows. They were described as 'Sinnesknospen' or sensory buds by Pflugfelder (1929). I assume they are combined sensory/secretory structures but have not done any TEM studies of them. For SEM photos see: Records of the Australian Museum 38 (1986):page 8 Fig. 4 OR Zoologica Scripta 27 (1998): page 34 Fig. 2. Cheers, Hannelore. Hannelore Paxton School of Biological Sciences Macquarie University Sydney N.S.W. 2109, Australia Tel.: 61.2.98508162 Fax : 61.2.98508245 e-mail: hpaxton@rna.bio.mq.edu.au -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Fri Sep 17 00:58:10 1999 Received: by net.bio.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id AAA27852; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 00:58:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 00:58:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909170758.AAA27852@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Geoff Read" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Organization: NIWA (Nat. Inst. Water & Atmos. Res. NZ) Subject: Re: The fate of the early adopters Dr Jacob van der Land wrote: > Nishikawa's discovery (1998) that Echiuridae Blainville, 1828 is not available > and should correctly be cited as Echiuridae Quatrefages, 1847, is indeed > somewhat disturbing. The early namings are a lovely mess, and few would want to wade through it checking each detail to make a decision on the family name. But Nishikawa made a very good job of presenting the story. The interesting thing is that seemingly BOTH Thalassema AND Echiurus became scaled up in a rather dubious fashion from vernacular names derived from the epithets within (all-encompassing) genus Lumbricus, so we now have tautonymous Thalassema thalassemum and Echiurus echiurus. Rest easy Echiuridae fans - I believe that in the new code published last month a new article, 35.5. Precedence [post 1999] for [family-group] names in [prevailing] use at higher rank, will mean Echiuridae will become safe to use as long as Echiuridae and Thalassematidae remain synonyms at family-group level. > I do not agree with Geoff''s statement "Above the family level can be a > degree of anarchy and creativity, and nobody minds much". This is a great > nuissance to the user community. I think I now agree with Jacob :-). Change is painful. At the time I had in mind the fun zone between family and class in annelids which up till now we could usually ignore because it had little practical use. But, even so change is inevitable when the evidence is clear that some of our past constructs in and of various phyla are artificial or baseless. > It cost Cnidaria over 40 years to take over from Coelenterata I checked Zoo Rec this morning - Coelenterata still rules in the 1998 volume. Zoo Rec is very conservative in such matters. I think they have some statement to the effect that they move only when a change is unchallenged. Vestimentifera, Pogonophora, Echiura, and a host of minor far-out others, will march on; it being easier to create names than to destroy or supplant them. -- Geoff Read -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Mon Sep 20 16:00:40 1999 Received: by net.bio.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id QAA20758; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 16:00:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 16:00:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909202300.QAA20758@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Brigitte Hilbig" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Organization: Uni Hamburg Subject: Cheap polychaete book Dear colleagues, Dr. Gesa Hartmann-Schroeder just informed me that the publisher of her latest book, Annelida, Borstenwuermer, Polychaeta (second revised edition) is about to go belly-up and is fusing with another publisher. As usual, such a fusion goes along with a loss of quality and conscience, and the new publisher apparently does not feel as much of an obligation towards scientific books for a somewhat specialized clientele and thus is trying to get rid of a number of such books. They sent about 40 of her books to Dr. Hartmann-Schroeder, who is now selling them from her house (she retired from the Zoological museum Hamburg a few years ago) for 28 US Dollars or 50 Marks a piece. Personally, I think it is a shame to have to sell a book like that practically in a yard sale, but of course this is a nice opportunity for people with little money to get a standard work on polychaetes of the North Sea. If you would like to get a book, please write to Dr. Hartmann-Schroeder and add a check for the amount mentioned above Her address is: Dr. Gesa Hartmann-Schroeder Werenbergstrasse 26 D-38640 Goslar Germany Unfortunately, the Hartmann's don't have email. If you have some questions, you can write to me as well. With polychaetous regards, Brigitte Hilbig Zoological Institute and Zoological Museum Martin Luther King-Platz 3 D20146 Hamburg Germany Tel. +40.42838.6558 Fax +40.42838.3937 email: fb7a070@nw01.rrz.uni-hamburg.de -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Tue Sep 21 14:29:06 1999 Received: by net.bio.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id OAA13773; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 14:29:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 14:29:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909212129.OAA13773@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Dan Dauer" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Subject: Re: Head pores To all: These prostomial pits have been know in spionids for a long time. Nancy Maciolek described them as prostomial peaks on two species in her revision of the genus Prionospio (Zoological Journal of the Linnean Society (1998) 84: 325-383; see Fig. 13, p. 361; see Fig. 14, p.363). In Streblospio benedicti, Paraprionospio pinnata and Marenzelleria virdis these prostomial structures are eversible and not always obvious on preserved specimens. (For S. benedicti see Fig, 1, p. 421 in Functional morphology and feeding behaviour of Streblospio benedicti (Polychaeta; Spionidae). 1984. Linnean Society of New South Wales, pp. 418-429; for P. pinnata see Fig. 3b p. 146, in Functional morphology and feeding behavior of Paraprionospio pinnata (Polychaeta: Spionidae).1985. Marine Biology 85: 143-151; and for M. viridis see Fig. 2 on. 515, in Functional morphology and feeding behavior of Marenzellaria viridis (Polychaeta: Spionidae). 1997. Bulletin of Marine Science 60: 512- 516.). I have called them both prostomial papillae and sensory papillae. They are very similar in appearance to the palp papillae on polydorids that have non-motile cirri ( See. Fig. 1, p. 43 in Potential systematic significance of spionid polychaete tentacular morphology 1987. Bulletin of the Biological Society of Washington, No. 7, pp. 41-45.; see Figs. 1 and 2 in Functional morphology and feeding behavior of Polydora commensalis. 1991. Ophelia Suppl. 5: 607-614.) I suspect that these structures may be widely distributed in polychaetes and easily overlooked because they are eversible. Dan Dauer Daniel M. Dauer Professor and Eminent Scholar Department of Biological Sciences Old Dominion University Norfolk, Va. 23529 phone: 757-683-4709 fax: 757-683-5283 email: ddauer@odu.edu -- ANNELIDA Discuss = annelida@net.bio.net = talk to all members Server = biosci-server@net.bio.net = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Tue Sep 21 21:27:50 1999 Received: by net.bio.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id VAA14381; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:27:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:27:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909220427.VAA14381@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Hsieh Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Subject: I am OK, from Taipei Dear all my friends: I am well, thank all of you very much for the concern. When I am sending this e-mail, I am stopped by another earthquake. The people on the island are still under threat and fright. A series of earthquake will continue to come, but do wish it becomes smaller and smaller and causes no more death. Taipei City is backing to normal gradually, but electric power goes on and off. Many towns in central Taiwan are severely damaged. It is really a catastrophic earthquake we have ever had. Knowing that Russia, USA, Singapore, Switerland, Japan, and other countries are sending their people to help in excavating those burried in debris, thank you and thank you very much. With warm regards, Hwey Lian -- ANNELIDA Discuss = annelida@net.bio.net = talk to all members Server = biosci-server@net.bio.net = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Wed Sep 29 21:55:38 1999 Received: by net.bio.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id VAA20792; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 21:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 21:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909300455.VAA20792@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Geoff Read" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Organization: NIWA (Nat. Inst. Water & Atmos. Res. NZ) Subject: Capitella Hello ANNELIDA, When will someone come up with the definitive name for Capitella type I, or otherwise sort the whole naming mess out? Please tell me it is in progress. How many years has it been languishing now? And I see one research group has started using a different series with alphabetical names "Capitella sp. M" etc, (for the local Capitella) for more than one paper rather than resolve Linnean names. This is anarchy ... or is it? Further, a common phraseology used is "The cosmopolitan polychaete Capitella capitata, known as a complex of sibling species" Pardon? It's species in the plural, so cannot be encompassed by one species name, and those species are unlikely to be all of them cosmopolitan. Perhaps "unnamed members of the cryptic species aggregate formerly known as Capitella capitata" would be less wince- inducing to taxonomists and logicians. Similarly I don't like to see 'Capitella capitata' used without qualification in paper titles when there is awareness within the text body that the name is inappropriate. Additionally, if ad hoc names must be used there's probably a case for indicating a member of the complex using a superspecies notation - Capitella (capitata) sp. M. The likelihood that Capitella (superspecies capitata) capitata is itself impossible to define formally should not be a deterrent, since it would never be used, and the ad hoc name is similarly informal. My 2 cents, Cheers, -- Geoff Read -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Thu Sep 30 16:30:25 1999 Received: by net.bio.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id QAA27885; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:30:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:30:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909302330.QAA27885@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Tom Parker Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Organization: LACSD Subject: Re: Capitella Geoff Read wrote: > When will someone come up with the definitive name for Capitella type I, or > otherwise sort the whole naming mess out? Please tell me it is in progress. > Further, a common phraseology used is "The cosmopolitan polychaete > Capitella capitata, known as a complex of sibling species" Greetings: In Southern California this name useage has bounced around for a number of years. When creating the third edition of the SCAMIT Taxonomic Listing, local workers adopted a convention for taxa "recognized as having a high degree of poorly defined variability and may belong to an incompletely discriminated group or species". This may not be perfect but it results our having a reference and standard of name useage for such taxa. We append the term Cmplx (for the term "complex") at the the end of the species name - not part of the species name. Here workers use the listing: Capitella capitata Cmplx. Our synonomy list includes this listing with the notation "of authors North East Pacific, not Fabricius 1780". Would be glad to hear any comments on such a convention. bye for now, Tom Parker -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html --