From daemon Fri Nov 1 13:12:51 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA18402 Message-Id: <199611012112.NAA18402@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 07:34:53 -0800 Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: jablake@ix.netcom.com (JAMES A. BLAKE) Subject: Re: Pseudo-Publications on the WWW Dear Annelid enthusiasts, Geoff Read has noted that the Nature Conservancy has posted: >America's Least Wanted: > Alien Species Invasions of U.S. Ecosystems --snip--snip-- >http://www.tnc.org/science/library/pubs/dd/title.html and noted that >Oh yes, there is also a paper version and there is no taxonomy. So it >is not directly relevant to our discussion. But it is interesting to >see a major USA environmental organisation doing this simultaneous >parallel publication. And it's free. As a result the information has >already reached people who would never encounter the paper >publication. Believe it, one day not too far off only the electronic >version will be produced. I do believe it and in fact there are quite a number of other examples including a large monograph on the introduced species of San Francisco Bay contributed by Jim Carlton, the URL of which is not available to me here in this office, but I will post it later. I agree completely with Geoff, that the WWW and internet in general will eventually be a fully compatable source of publication with paper. However, in the context of the current Rules of Nomenclature, the issues of permanance are crucial. A close friend (who works on Crustacea) has informed of a similar discussion in another venue the results of which concluded that the type of document archiving necessary to achieve permanance that will satisfy the ICZN is at least 3 years away. I submit that we could accelerate that process if funding agencies could be inspired to fund projects that would develop the archival resources and produce electronic journals. I believe we have the technology, but not the focus. Yours also prophetically, Jim Blake (jablake@ix.netcom.com) From daemon Fri Nov 1 13:12:50 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA18398 Message-Id: <199611012112.NAA18398@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Fournier, Judith" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Subject: Micronephthys neotena/minuta/cornuta et al... Date: Wed, 30 Oct 96 16:59:00 PST Dear Anneliders, Jim Blake wrote: ".... >(1) A synonym of Nephtys cornuta >(2) A valid species of Micronephthys >Does anyone have any thoughts on this situation? A few years back (my references are still boxed, the office should move next month some time...) Derek Ellis (U. Victoria, Victoria BC) had one of his students study a large set of Nephtys cornuta cornuta and N. c. franciscana from a site in Vancouver Island. Careful analysis showed that the two subspecies merged with time and age. The article appeared in the Canadian Journal of Zoology. I sort of refereed the project but they did not include material from California. I have always felt that N. cornuta and N. minuta/neotena belonged in the same taxonomic grouping, whether genus or subgenus. I am interested in Jirkov's paper because his specimens differ from those I have seen from the Gulf of St. Lawrence (mine all have the branchiae from setiger 5, no variation). Noyes made a seriious error in assigning his new species to the genus "Aglaophamus" on the basis of a slight curve in the branchiae. Aglaophamus has bifid setae that are never found in Nephtys neotena and the curve in the branchiae is typical of all juvenile nephtyids. This group needs a lot more more work. Once we get the collections moved and settled (target date is next February but things are behind schedule...), I would be happy to provide British Columbia and Gulf of St. Lawrence material to anyone who wants to take a look. Judy Fournier Canadian Museum of Nature From daemon Fri Nov 1 19:35:42 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12/8.6.6) id TAA25308 Message-Id: <199611020335.TAA25308@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Anonymous" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 13:13:00 +1200 Subject: Re: Pseudo-Publications on the WWW -Reply I would like to prophesize an alternative, the opposite - unfortunately technology is such that I cannot be anonymous (unlike in hard-copy submissions). I prophesize that over the next decade there will be a computer revolt. I do not see electronic publication leading to better quality of publication; sure it will be cheaper (but does this mean we are to believe cheaper is better, go to your local hardware store); perhaps it may expedite the process of publication (but this will depend entirely upon the same editorial standards presently faced), and sure (for the better) it will expedite access to information - but do we really, as a species, want to withdraw ourselves further into the computer screen and go fully electronic. Walk down the corridor, look in the rooms (don't forget to smile - that's important these days), if people are not at tea break then they are staring into the computer screen. Give us a break - lets have more electronic files to read - the latest version of polychaete news on CDROM - just what we needed. Bedside reading, oh darn, the laptops batteries are flat. Whatever happened to sitting on a bench in the sun, a coffee in one hand, a journal in the lap and a tweety-bird singing a delightful chorus in the background? Is polychaete science moving at such a rapid rate, is so much work being done, so many descriptions appearing, so many new cladistic reappraisals of higher order systematics being undertaken, so much, so much.........that electronic publication is absolutely essential to disseminate, assimilate or interpret the data? I don't think so! If electronic copies of publications are required by a select few, why not subscribe to some (establish one) electronic journal bank - where electronic copies of papers are sent; if you want to prophesize 3 years down the track, tell me what kind of word-processing packages we will have; can you tell me what kind of word processing packages we will have in 100 years time. Darn, most of the literature I deal with is pre-1930 -what if they'd had electronic copies then - would I be able to convert the formatting to present day technology - I DON'T THINK SO! - thank heavens for hard copies! Let us not worry about viruses and harddrive meltdowns, lets worry about book moths - far more civil. Some people just don't like computers and their effect on people; I like my journals above the desk; I like that tweety-bird, cigarette and coffee - and I like that park bench. Stand united against electronic journals!! Revolt against computers! I am sorry, I'm just having a bad day! Anon. From daemon Fri Nov 1 19:35:40 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12/8.6.6) id TAA25304 Message-Id: <199611020335.TAA25304@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 17:35:33 -0800 Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: schroede@wsu.edu (Paul Schroeder) Subject: Re: Marenzelleria bibliography Dear Marenzellerians: Have you picked up David George's "popular" article in Bioscience for August, 1966 with photos of S. viridis embryos? It's called "Early development of a marine worm", and is based on a paper in Biol. Bull 130: 76-93, which you are more likely to have encountered. (Is David reading this??) My notes also indicate that Bumpus (Science 8: 58-61, 1898) mentioned a breeding season for "Scolelepis viridis" at Woods Hole in early May, with eggs found in sand tubes. I don't know if this is an accurate identification, and I would probably omit it myself, but I'll leave it to you to decide. If you need a copy of either, send me a fax number, and I will send it. Paul Schroeder > >Dear Anneliders, >We are actually preparing a bibliography of the spionid polychaete genus >MARENZELLERIA. We have got about 200 references by now. We are looking >now for all references concerning these polychaete species to ensure >completeness. >We will be very grateful, as you could send us references/reprints that >contain the genus/species name MARENZELLERIA or (Syn. till 1984: >SCOLECOLEPIDES) in > >1. all non-popular journals (reports, house journals, journals not >quoted in AFSA, Current Contents ..etc. > >2. in the Discussion-part of publications, means, that MARENZELLERIA is >not quoted in the Titles or the Abstracts of references and could not be >easily found. > >3. All publication, which are in press by now or manuscripts, which will >be published probably soon. > >Please contact us: >Michael L. Zettler >Universitaet Rostock >WB Allg. Spez. Zool. >D-18051 Rostock >Germany > >or via e-mail: ralf.bochert@biologie.uni-rostock.de > >Thanks to all in advance. > > > Paul C. Schroeder Dept. of Zoology Washington State University Pullman, WA 99164-4632 USA Telephone: 509-335-2766 FAX: 509-335-3184 E-Mail: schroede@wsu.edu From daemon Mon Nov 4 13:14:31 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA10773 Message-Id: <199611042114.NAA10773@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:59:06 -0800 Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: jablake@ix.netcom.com (JAMES A. BLAKE) Subject: San Francisco Bay Study / Polydora origins Dear Annelid workers, As promised, here is the URL for the San Francisco Bay introduced species study: Cohen, A.N. and J.T. Carlton. (1995, December). Nonindigenous Aquatic Species in a United States Estuary: A Case Study of the Biological Invasions of the San Francisco Bay and Delta. Report for the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service and the National Sea Grant College Program, Connecticut Sea Grant (NOAA Grant No. NA36RG0467). http://www.nfrcg.gov/has/sfinvade.htm The document is a government report, and what we call Grey Literature. However, because it is online and accessible, perhaps not now so grey. I had some problems calling up the document on Netscape, but was successful with my AOL browser. I printed the document from Netscape off-line after saving the htm file from AOL. My copy printed out at 241 pages. The majority of the text is a species by species review of introductions that includes everything from plants to vertebrates. An extensive literature review is posted for each species along with a large bibliography and several appendices. A few references in the text are not in the bibliography, but otherwise it is an impressive compilation of information on a very important subject. Annelids are well represented with 8 oligochaetes and 13 polychaetes. I was surprized to notice that Marenzellaria viridis has now been identified in the SF Bay system, another spionid genus and species now in California, and to be added to the planned revision of Light's Manual. One of the spionids listed as an introduced species warrants some comment: Polydora ligni Webster, 1879. As most of you know, (Blake and Maciolek, 1987: Bull. Biol. Soc. Wash. 7) referred this species to synonymy with the type species of Polydora, P. cornuta Bosc, 1802. This synonymy has now been widely accepted and the name P. cornuta is regularly appearing in published accounts of the species. Regardless, Cohen and Carlton state: "Polydora ligni is native to the northern Atlantic where it is found in mudflats, fouling...., and oyster beds..... They note that the first record from the Pacific was in 1932 from British Columbia. The statement that the species is native to the Atlantic is, in my mind, not substantiated. In fact, there is systematic evidence that the species very likely originated in the Pacific. The two species most closely related to P. cornuta are Polydora nuchalis Woodwick, 1953 from central and southern California and P. cirrosa Rioja, 1943 which ranges from southern California to Ecuador (Blake, 1983: Antarctic Res. Series 39). Thus, the two species that are morphologically most similar to P. cornuta have restricted ranges in the eastern Pacific, suggesting a point of origin for P. cornuta in the Pacific not the Atlantic. Just because a species was not collected prior to 1932 is no reason to suspect it was not there earlier. Notice that P. cirrosa and P. nuchalis were not discovered until 10 and 20 yrs after the first P. cornuta (ligni) record in the Pacific. P. nuchalis at least, is a very common species in certain bays and estuaries in California, yet was not formally described until 1953. I would welcome discussion on this issue. Jim Blake (jablake@ix.netcom.com) From daemon Mon Nov 4 13:14:37 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA10781 Message-Id: <199611042114.NAA10781@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 13:15:05 -0800 Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "ralf.bochert" Organization: Uni-Rostock Subject: Sphaerodoridae Dear Anneliders, I am looking for publications concerning ecological studies within the taxa Sphaerodoridae. Could anybody add references to my only two ecological papers (s.b.)? > Christie, G. 1984. The reproductive biology of a Northumberland > population of Sphaerodorum gracilis (Rathke, 1843) (Polychaeta: > Sphaerodoridae).-SARSIA 69: 117-121 > Mileikovsky, S.A. 1967. Larval development of polychaetes of the family > Spaerodoridae and some considerations of its systematic.-Dokl. Akademii > Nauk SSSR 177(2): 471-474 Thanks in advance Best regards Ralf Bochert Dr. R. Bochert Universitaet Rostock WB Meeresbiologie D-18051 Rostock Germany FAX: +49/381/4982011 e-mail: ralf.bochert@biologie.uni-rostock.de From daemon Mon Nov 4 15:53:21 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12/8.6.6) id PAA28918 Message-Id: <199611042353.PAA28918@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Geoff Read" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Organization: NIWA Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 12:37:03 +1100 Subject: Re: San Francisco Bay Study / Polydora origins James Blake wrote: > http://www.nfrcg.gov/has/sfinvade.htm > ... I had some problems calling up the document on Netscape, but was > successful with my AOL browser. Thanks Jim. A vital small correction of (h to n) in the URL to: http://www.nfrcg.gov/nas/sfinvade.htm helps. The parent page is the also interesting "Nonindigenous Aquatic Species (NAS) information resource" page at URL:http://www.nfrcg.gov/nas/nas.htm. Be warned! The online paper is one file of 0.8 Megabytes. > As most of you know, (Blake and Maciolek, 1987: Bull. Biol. Soc. Wash. > 7) referred this species to synonymy with the type species of Polydora, > P. cornuta Bosc, 1802. This synonymy has now been widely accepted and > the name P. cornuta is regularly appearing in published accounts of the > species. I have used P. cornuta, but I see at least 15 papers since 1987 which do not, mostly (but not all) from ignorance I would suspect, rather than having differing views from B&M. But I don't think anyone will be too surprised if there are not more complications and interesting things to be found in the status of P. ligni-like species. > ... The statement that the species is native to the Atlantic is, in my > mind, not substantiated. In fact, there is systematic evidence that > the species very likely originated in the Pacific. It is not easy to prove an introduction for inconspicuous animals such as most worms. It is even more difficult to prove an origin. Has it ever been done for a polychaete? Is it a realistic aim? Cladistically analysing 'related' species (if first they are indeed good species) seems to be a useful approach in biogeography of some groups but would it shed light on certain worms now that they have hitchhiked in every possible direction? I personally would not baldly state as do Cohen & Carlton that "Heteromastus filiformis is native to the Atlantic coast of the United States" even if I happened to believe it. I would agree with the statement that "more than one species may be involved" in records of H. filiformis. I don't think I'd say without qualification that "Ficopomatus enigmaticus is an Australian worm" (possible, even probable, but unproven in my opinion). -- Geoff Read URL:http://www.keil.ukans.edu/~worms/g-read.html From daemon Tue Nov 5 01:02:08 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12/8.6.6) id BAA01583 Message-Id: <199611050902.BAA01583@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Geoff Read" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 21:52:06 +0000 Subject: Hartmann-Schroeder's Annelida ..., 2nd Ed. ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: "Wilfried Westheide" Organization: Biologie Uni Osnabrueck To: gread@actrix.gen.NZ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 09:05:51 GMT Dear Geoff, I want to inform you that finally the second revised edition of Gesa Hartmann-Schroeder's "Annelida. Borstenwuermer, Polychaeta" in "Die Tierwelt Deutschlands und der angrenzenden Meeresteile" is now available. It includes an extended taxonomy and an up-to-date classification of the German polychaete fauna but since the range of many species extends beyond the German boundaries into Arctic regions, the North Atlantic and North Pacific much information concerning the species in these and other parts of the world has also been included. The keys are easier to use, it contains a description of 558 species, i.e. 132 more than in the first edition including the so-called archiannelids. Diagnostic characters of all species have been more precisely defined, illustrations have been completed and improved, new ones are added, together with a large amount of new information as to ecology and biology of various species. The price is DM 298,--/OES 2205/SFr 268.50. The book can be ordered from: Gustav Fischer Verlag, P.O.B. 100537, D-07705 Jena, Germany. Fax: ++49-3641-626500. The publisher accepts American Express, Mastercard/Eurocard and Visa credit cards. I would suggest that you distribute this information. Best regards Wilfried Westheide ======================================================================================= Prof. Dr. Wilfried Westheide Spezielle Zoologie, FB Biologie/Chemie, Universitaet Osnabrueck, D-49069 Osnabrueck Tel: +49-(0)541-969-2861 Fax: +49-(0)541-969-2870 From daemon Tue Nov 5 12:54:47 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA19201 Message-Id: <199611052054.MAA19201@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Craeymeersch, Johan" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Subject: Dodecaceria Date: Tue, 05 Nov 96 13:37:00 PST Moderator: FYI the full citation is: Gibson,Peter H (1996): Distribution of the cirratulid polychaetes Dodecaceria fimbriata, D. concharum and D. diceria in European waters between latitudes 48N and 70N. J. Mar. Biol. Assoc. U. K. 76, 625-635. ===================================================== Dear colleagues, Recently, Peter Gibson described the distribution of three species of the genus Dodecaceria in European waters (JMBA 76). The difference in the distribution of D. fimbriata and D. concharum appear to be due to variation in the salinity of the sea. In our monitoring studies in the south-west of the Netherlands, ongoing since 1990, we found seven specimens of Dodecaceria. As Hartmann-Schroder (1971) only describes one species (D. concharum), we all identified them as such. Most of the species are found in the Grevelingen, a saline lake (chlorinity > 15.4 gCl/l, or a salinity of > 27.8 promille). But according to Gibson (1996), D. concharum is only found when the salinity is above 34 promille. Therefore, we might have D. fimbriata instead of D. concharum. We checked some specimen using his description on p. 626: "the crotchets of D. fimbriata have a tooth at the proximal edge of the depression which is absent in D. concharum". We didn't see the tooth, however. Either, we misinterpret the description, or the specimen indeed are D. concharum. Could anyone, therefore, give more information on the identifcation of both species. Where can we find descriptions with illustrations? Thanks in advance, Johan Craeymeersch craeymeersch@cemo.nioo.knaw.nl Netherlands Institute of Ecology Centre for Estuarine and Coastal Ecology Vierstraat 28 NL-4401 EA Yerseke The Netherlands From daemon Tue Nov 5 14:19:53 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12/8.6.6) id OAA27565 Message-Id: <199611052219.OAA27565@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Geoff Read" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Organization: NIWA Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 11:00:46 +1100 Subject: (Fwd) Hydrothermal Vent Biology Symposium - First Announcement Apologies for inevitable duplications: ------- Forwarded Message from Deepsea list Follows ------- Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 22:31:44 +0000 From: InterRidge Office Subject: Hydrothermal Vent Biology Symposium - First Announcement ************************************************************************ FIRST ANNOUNCEMENT FOR FIRST INTERNATIONAL SYMPOSIUM ON MARINE HYDROTHERMAL VENT BIOLOGY FUNCHAL, MADEIRA, PORTUGAL SUNDAY 19th - THURSDAY 23rd OCTOBER 1997 N.B. 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E-mail: intridge@durham.ac.uk. ************************************************************************ From daemon Tue Nov 5 14:58:42 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12/8.6.6) id OAA01196 Message-Id: <199611052258.OAA01196@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 22:37:12 +0100 Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Alan Hendrickson Organization: Engram Technology Ltd Subject: Source reference required on polychaete species brain Polychaete brains - I should mention that this is not my field. I'm writing a book on learning and memory (provisional title The Engram) which I hope to finish sometime in 1997. I came across a reference in an older edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica which mentioned (in the macropaedia section on the Nervous System) that many polychaete species had only two cephalic structures; roughly, a hindbrain and a midbrain, and that other polychaete species had three cephalic structures; hind-, mid-, and forebrain. What was interesting (the EB said) was that the species with the forebrain were all predatory, but the others were merely prey; a perfect or near perfect association of forebrain -> predator. Does anybody happen to know the original reference? (Or, since the same information is not in the current EB, is this still thought to be the case?) If this association is in fact true, it may have quite important implications, as it provides a clue to the raison de etre for the development of the third cephalic structure. Thanks in advance for any help you can give me on this. Please send correspondence to me at engram@pingnet.ch Alan Hendrickson From daemon Wed Nov 6 12:18:53 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA06158 Message-Id: <199611062018.MAA06158@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 19:47:53 -0800 (GMT) Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Olubunmi Akinofolajimi Subject: Information on Perinereis/Nereis culture needed Good day everyone. I'm an M.Sc student at the University of Agriculture, Malaysia. I'm about to start my thesis on the culture of polychaetous annelid vis-a-vis their use as live food for Penaeus spp. I would appreciate it if anyone could send me publications on polychaete culture techniques, reproductive & feeding biology as there is not much work done in these regard in this part of the world. Thanks in advance. OLUBUNMI AKINFOLAJIMI UNIVERSITI KOLEJ TERENGGANU (UNIVERSITI PERTANIAN MALAYSIA) MENGABANG TELIPOT 21030, KUALA TERENGGANU MALAYSIA. Olubunmi Akinofolajimi -- ANNELIDA LIST Server address = biosci-server@net.bio.net (un/subscribes) Discussion address = annelida@net.bio.net (talk to all members) List archives = URL:http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ From daemon Wed Nov 6 13:36:04 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA15353 Message-Id: <199611062136.NAA15353@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Geoff Read" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Organization: NIWA Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 10:12:52 +1100 Subject: Re: Dodecaceria Johan Craeymeersch enquired on D. concharum/fimbriata: > Could anyone, therefore, give more information on the identifcation of both > species. Where can we find descriptions with illustrations? I would imagine in the papers cited by Gibson in that paper and cited in his BZN paper. However, as most people know, Peter Gibson is advocating a rather dramatic solution to his problem in nomenclature to the Commission. Johan may have received more informed responses from those directly involved. I would just like to mention that Pleijel and Mackie (Sept. 1995 Bull. Zool. Nomencl. 52(3):261-62) oppose Gibson's namings, and I believe there are other rebuttals in press, if not already published, including Pat Hutchings et al. representing the Nomenclatural Sub-Committee of the International Polychaetology Association. -- Geoff Read URL:http://www.keil.ukans.edu/~worms/g-read.html From daemon Thu Nov 7 12:50:21 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12/8.6.6) id MAA06785 Message-Id: <199611072050.MAA06785@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Mary E. Petersen " Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Subject: Northern European Dodecaceria Date: Thu, 07 Nov 96 16:25:00 DST Thursday, 7 November 1996 Dear Johan, You asked for information on the northern European species of Dodecaceria Oersted. As you now must be aware, several of us are in total disagreement with the taxonomy of Peter Gibson, including the "rather dramatic solution to his problem in nomenclature" (Geoff Read, ANNELIDA, 7 Nov 1996) proposed by Gibson & Heppell (1995). Five of us (Petersen et al., submitted) have sent in a rebuttal to this application . If your worms are in agreement with the figures in Hartmann-Schroeder 1971 (at least some spatulate neurochaetae as in fig. 127C), I'm pretty sure you have the real D. concharum sensu Oersted, 1843 (= D. fimbriata sensu Gibson 1996). This is the type species of the genus and the only species at either of the type localities (the Oeresund off Hellebaek, Denmark and the Kattegat off NE Jutland, Denmark). It is also tolerant of lower salinities than D. ater (= D. concharum sensu Gibson). D. fimbriata (Verrill, 1879) (orig. as Heterocirrus fimbriatus) was described from the Bay of Fundy, based on an epitokous individual; it is either a junior synonym of the real, Danish D. concharum or a North American sibling species of this. Terebella ostreae Dalyell, 1855 and D. caulleryi Dehorne, 1933 (= D. concharum form B of Caullery & Mesnil 1898) are also junior synonyms of D. concharum Oersted. Peter Gibson started using D. fimbriata when he decided this was the same as D. caulleryi, which he refused to believe was the only species in Danish waters and thus the real D. concharum - he was convinced that there must be two species in Danish waters (as in parts of UK) and that we just weren't looking the right places. This is not the case, and intertidal habitats with "Lithamnion", where Gibson has found the species in England, are not present in our waters. Oersted did not mention asexual reproduction in D. concharum, but since the first record of this in polychaetes that I know of is in Kroeyer (1856), for a sabellid, this is not so strange. We tend to see what we look for and ignore things we don't understand. D. concharum sensu Gibson is D. ater (Quatrefages, 1866), described from material from northern France. The species is closely related to D. saxicola (Grube, 1855) from the Mediterranean, and may be a junior synonym of this, but apparent differences in reproduction of the two taxa suggest that they should be kept separate until a more detailed picture of the situation is available. Some of this is discussed in Petersen et al. (submitted to BZN), which we were led to believe would have been published in the June 1996 issue. The two most common northern European species are easily told apart: 1. Body long and slender, middle segments often beadlike, posterior end tapering; nuchal "slits" flat oval patches, inconspicuous; chaetae small and inconspicuous, difficult to see at lower magnifications*; posterior segments with spatulate neurochaetae, some or all of which with pronounced basal boss (fig. 127c in Hartmann-Schroeder 1971); life history includes asexual reproduction by fragmentation and when mature, male and female epitokes. . . . . . . . D. concharum *Epitokous capillaries of epitokes are easy to see; the above refers to chaetae of the atokous individuals -- Body short and broad, segments short throughout, not particularly beadlike, posterior end broad and flattened; nuchal slits linear, usually recognizable under a stereomicroscope; chaetae large and conspicuous, easy to see; posterior segments with chisel-shaped (oar-shaped) spatulate chaetae without basal boss (Fig. 1D in George & Petersen 1991); life history incompletely understood, most mature individuals appear to contain fertilized oocytes (parthenogenesis), but also sexually mature males, apparently belonging to this species, with epitokous capillaries have been found (McIntosh 1911) . . . . . . . . . . . . . D. ater In the real D. concharum (= D. fimbriata sensu Gibson), most worms show traces of asexual reproduction, usually as pigmentation differences, with the regenerated portions paler, even in worms where the difference in size between the original and regenerated segments is no longer conspicuous. Chaetae are generally very inconspicuous and it is usually necessary to use a higher magnification to see them, i.e., you will have trouble seeing or counting acicular chaetae under a low power stereomicroscope. The basal boss is most easily seen on neurochaetae of posterior segments or on segments of the 2nd quarter of the body (there are 4 chaetal regions, with the 2nd region starting about chaetiger 8-10). In Danish waters the species is common in shells bored by Cliona and in dead shells of barnacles or bivalves in Laminaria holdfasts. It does occur in subtidal "Lithothamnion", but is not particularly common here. Color is variable, but young specimens often are yellowish, older ones with more dark pigment but usually not particularly black. In D. ater (= D. concharum sensu Gibson), the body is relatively short and broad, with short segments; in fixed material, the posterior end is broad and flattened (if it is flattened in D. concharum it is slender). The species is parthenogenetic, in some areas(?) also viviparous, and does not reproduce asexually. Most of the specimens I have seen have contained oocytes, but I have not seen a lot of material. This is the species that does not tolerate lower salinity. I doubt you have this species. It is often quite blackish. Please note that while the above key will usually separate the two main groups of Dodecaceria species in the Mediterranean, different species with, inter alia, differences in reproductive biology and chaetal morphology, appear to be involved. These species are currently under investigation by me. REFERENCES: George, J.D. & M.E. Petersen. 1991. The validity of the genus Zeppelina Vaillant. -- Ophelia Suppl. 5: 89-100, 1 fig. Gibson, P.H. & D. Heppell. 1995. Case 2899. Dodecaceria concharum O"rsted, 1843 and Heterocirrus fimbriatus Verrill, 1879 (currently D. fimbriata) (Annelida, Polychaeta): proposed conservation of the specific names by the designation of a neotype for D. concharum. -- Bulletin of Zoological Nomenclature 52(1): 27-33. McIntosh, W.C. 1911. Notes from the Gatty Marine Laboratory, St. Andrews, No.XXXII. 3. On the British Cirratulidae. -- Annals and Magazine of Natural History, ser. 8, 7: 151-162. Petersen, M.E., J.D. George, J.A. Blake, K. Fauchald & K.W. Ockelmann. (Submitted, December 1995) Comments to Case 2899. Recommendation that Gibson & Heppell's requests to the ICZN in Case 2899 (deliberate misidentification of type species of Dodecaceria Oersted, 1843 (Annelida: Polychaeta) by designation of a neotype from a nontype locality and based on a species not available to Oersted ) not be approved, with an appendix by Mary E. Petersen with synonymies of the involved taxa. -- Bulletin of Zoological Nomenclature. ****************** If this doesn't solve the problem, let me know where you need more information. If nothing else, I can send you a few (small) specimens of D. concharum from Danish waters. Best wishes, Mary ------- Mary E. Petersen Zoological Museum, University of Copenhagen mepetersen@zmuc.ku.dk ************************************************************** You wrote on 5 November: >In our monitoring studies in the south-west of the Netherlands, ongoing >since 1990, we found seven specimens of Dodecaceria. As Hartmann-Schroder >(1971) only describes one species (D. concharum), we all identified them as >such. Most of the species are found in the Grevelingen, a saline lake >(chlorinity > 15.4 gCl/l, or a salinity of > 27.8 promille). But according >to Gibson (1996), D. concharum is only found when the salinity is above 34 >promille. Therefore, we might have D. fimbriata instead of D. concharum. >We checked some specimen using his description on p. 626: "the crotchets of >D. fimbriata have a tooth at the proximal edge of the depression which is >absent in D. concharum". We didn't see the tooth, however. Either, we >misinterpret the description, or the specimen indeed are D. concharum. > >Could anyone, therefore, give more information on the identifcation of both >species. Where can we find descriptions with illustrations? > >Thanks in advance, > >Johan Craeymeersch >craeymeersch@cemo.nioo.knaw.nl -- ANNELIDA LIST Server address = biosci-server@net.bio.net (un/subscribes) Discussion address = annelida@net.bio.net (talk to all members) List archives = URL:http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ From daemon Thu Nov 7 22:35:33 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12/8.6.6) id WAA09501 Message-Id: <199611080635.WAA09501@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Geoff Read" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Organization: NIWA Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 19:33:03 +1100 Subject: Re: Dodecaceria [Sent to me for the list. This is the full and apparently already published comments of the Sub-Committee. -- GBR] ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 15:02:01 +1000 From: path@amsg.austmus.gov.au (PatH) To: "Geoff Read" Subject: Re: Dodecaceria Comment on the proposed conservation of the specific name of Dodecaceria concharum OErsted, 1843 and D. fimbriata (Verrill, 1879) (Annelida, Polychaeta) by the designation of a neotype for D. concharum (Case 2899; see BZN 52: 27-33, 261-262, 329-331) Kristian Fauchald The Smithsonian Institution, Washington, D.C. 20560, U.S.A. Patricia A. Hutchings The Australian Museum, Sydney, N.S.W., Australia 2000 Tomoyuki Miura Kagoshima University, Kagoshima, Japan 890 Alexander I. Muir The Natural History Museum, London SW7 5BD, U.K. We write as the Nomenclatural Sub-Committee of the International Polychaete Association with a response on the application (BZN 52: 27-33) by Dr P.H. Gibson and Mr David Heppell to conserve the specific names of Dodecaceria concharum OErsted, 1843 and D. fimbriata (Verrill, 1879), the comment by Pleijel & Mackie (BZN 52: 261-262), and the reply by Heppell & Gibson (BZN 52: 329-331). 1. The argument that the creation of a neotype for Dodecaceria concharum from outside the type locality will stabilise the name cannot be substantiated. The species within this genus have been so poorly defined that they can only be separated by specialist polychaete systematics. Therefore it is not surprising that they have been separated in marine faunas (which are compiled from records of specialists) but not differentiated in ecological reports written by generalists. 2. Pleijel & Mackie further suggest that the current distribution of the genus in northern European waters may be more complicated than currently thought and a correct historical interpretation will be less likely to confuse future workers, and we strongly agree with this. We concur fully with Pleijel & Mackie's comment that if the designation of a neotype for D. concharum is considered desirable then it should be from one of the localities mentioned by OErsted. 3. The non-systematic literature on the genus Dodecaceria is sparse, mainly consisting of papers on reproductive biology by Dr Gibson. If he publishes the correct name in his next paper it will be picked up by future workers and no confusion will occur. 4. We therefore suggest that there is no need for the Commission to use its plenary powers. No confusion will result from agreeing with the correct nomenclatural conclusion of George & Petersen (1991), rather than the reasoning of Gibson & Heppell. There is no justification for suppressing the specific names requested by Gibson & Heppell: Nereis sextentacula delle Chiaje, 1828 (see Muir, 198 9, for the dating of this paper), Terebella ostreae Grube, 1853, Heterocirrus saxicola Grube, 1853 and H. ater Quatrefages, 1865. Additional reference Muir, A.I. 1989. Species of the genus Sigalion (Annelida: Polychaeta) reported from north-west European waters, with a note on the authorship of the generic name. Cahiers de Biologie Marine, 30: 33 9-345. ====================================================== -- ANNELIDA LIST Server address = biosci-server@net.bio.net (un/subscribes) Discussion address = annelida@net.bio.net (talk to all members) List archives = URL:http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ From daemon Fri Nov 8 08:23:30 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12/8.6.6) id IAA11252 Message-Id: <199611081623.IAA11252@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Craeymeersch, Johan" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Subject: Re: Dodecaceria Date: Fri, 08 Nov 96 11:23:00 PST Thanks for the many reactions. We won't follow Gibson. Johan Craeymeersch From daemon Sat Nov 9 00:20:46 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12/8.6.6) id AAA25911 Message-Id: <199611090820.AAA25911@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Sat, 9 Nov 96 15:22 GST Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Alan Eugene Davis Subject: Capitella captitata and a question about citations I have recently been lurking on this list. I am teaching science at a high school in the Northern Mariana Islands. I am interested in marine invertebrates of all kinds. I have a general interest in Capitella capitata, but haven't yet been able to make a study; hopefully I can collect this worm in Saipan. In particylar, I am interested in the possible use of Capitella capitata as a pollution indicator. I would be interested in corresponding with anyone doing work of any kind on this species or species complex. Also, I have been lurking about, watching the discussion of merits and demerits of electronic publication. I hope I will be forgiven for asking a question that is probably inappropriate and simplistic for this group: should a home page be cited in the references of a paper (certainly yes), and how should it be cited? Home page usually do not seem to bear any distinguishing marks, including URL address. Anyway how do people handle this? I hope I will be forgiven for posting these simple questions on this list. I have been enjoying lurking. -- Alan Eugene Davis Marianas High School 15o 8.8'N GMT+10 adavis@saipan.com AAA 196 Box 10,001 145o 42.5'E Saipan, MP 96950 Northern Mariana Islands 1997---International Year of the Coral Reef From daemon Sat Nov 9 19:34:58 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12/8.6.6) id TAA03987 Message-Id: <199611100334.TAA03987@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Geoff Read" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 15:08:53 +0000 Subject: An answer about citations I had a browse around for resources and it wasn't hard to find many. Science-oriented ones are not so easy to find however. Those in the humanities are seemingly much more comfortable with internet cites. Or perhaps they just talk more on the net! Here is one approach to www citations: "To cite files available for viewing/downloading via the World Wide Web, give the author's name (if known), the full title of the work in quotation marks, the title of the complete work if applicable in italics, the full http address, and the date of visit." More detail at: URL:http://www.cas.usf.edu/english/walker/mla.html Someone else recommended citing the modification date (which seems more sensible to me) rather than date of visit to the Url. Meta guides to citation guides are at: http://rooster.bgsu.edu/URLcite.html http://loki.sonoma.edu/library/Resources/citation.html http://www.nlc-bnc.ca/ifla/I/training/citation/citing.htm What about this quote? "The notion that electronic documents are ephemeral because electrons are invisible is naive. In fact they are more secure in the sense that they can be duplicated indefinitely without error." (Haines Brown) However, that is also naive. Without special precautions, they can also be altered indefinitely, which may be useful and appropriate for the resource-guide things that WWW currently is best at, but is also where I see the main problem to be solved for acceptance as an alternative instead of as an adjunct to paper print science. (Sorry, I am probably revisiting my views here). I also found some interesting thoughts on internet publishing, citation, copyright and fair use at: http://www.cas.usf.edu/english/walker/papers/cyberprop.html inter alia: "An author owns his or her words from the time they are written, whether that writing be permanently inscribed on a dead tree, or momentarily inscribed on the screens of readers. The mere fact that a work is of a transitory nature should not negate its protection under copyright laws." (Janice R. Walker). -- Geoff Read From daemon Tue Nov 12 13:11:44 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA28925 Message-Id: <199611122111.NAA28925@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 14:34:33 +0100 Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: hove@bio.uva.nl (Harry A. ten Hove) Subject: Re: Savigny Description de Egypte et Syrie. 211196 On 291096 Dr. Ben-Eliahu wrote: >Hello fellow worm-people! > >Savigny collected from Egypt and from Syria and also from other >locations and put a melange of locations in his book. > >I am making a last ditch effort to try to get a more precise location >for Savigny's Lycoris fucata (nereidid). In 2nd edition, cited >by Hartmann-Schroder as 1820 (but on title plate >of volume found in our rare book collection listed as 1826), Savigny >notes L. fucata is from "ocean", no location given, having been collected >by M. Homberg and conveyed to him by Cuvier. Does anyone know >where Homberg was collecting? Was he also a part of the French >Expedition to the Middle East? > >Any assistance on this ancient (Napoleonic) history much appreciated. > >Thanks. > >Nechama Ben-Eliahu >Curator, Section of Invertebrates, The Scientific Collections >The Hebrew University of Jerusalem, J"m 91904. > >Fax 972-2-666804; telephone 972-2-658 46 33. >Nechama@vms.huji.ac.il As for the date of publication, I did not check now, but on two occasions I had the book in my hands, and noted the date as 1820. As for the question about M. Homberg, I am afraid that this will not turn out to be a likely road to the origin of the material. M. most likely stands for Monsieur, the French for "Mr.", and not for an initial. Homberg being a not uncommon Dutch name, I assumed that the collector/collection Homberg might have been Dutch too (but maybe he was German, or even Danish). Anyhow, I had the name Homberg checked by Mrs. F. Pieters and Mrs. J. de Sonaville, librarians of the "Artis library" (one of Holland's better libraries for historic natural history books), and by Prof. P. Smit and dr. R.P.M. Visser, biohistorians from Utrecht University. They found no trace of a collection (or "cabinet") made by Homberg. They did find reference to Willem Homberg, born 1652 Batavia (=Jakarta, Indonesia), died 1715 in the "Ruhr". Although he lived a century before Savigny's publication, he might be a suspect, see below. What I can glean together from the hand-written notes in our archives is the following: travelled to Amsterdam studied law in Jena & Leipzig studied later medicine and physics came in contact with Otto Gericke 1 year in Padua, anatomy and botany), Bologna, Rome, France, England. Anatomy lectures in Holland Doctorate in Wittenberg examined miners (HAtH ?, utterly unreadable textpart) in Saxony, Hungary, Sweden, Holland and France stayed in Paris upon request of Colbert, in the name of (? Eng. king?) 1682 became catholic 1685 Rome, as a medical man return to Paris court-physician of the Duke of Orleans 1691 Acad. Sci. 1702 Prof. Chymiae (chemistry) 1706 married to daughter of Dodart t 1715 published in the Mem. Acad. Source: Letter of Herman Boerhaave to Joh.Bapt. Bassard (?) in Vienna 1927, University Library Amsterdam: MG Dm3. 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Sincerely, Dave Kristofferson BIOSCI/bionet Manager biosci-help@net.bio.net From daemon Wed Nov 13 13:06:12 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA07819 Message-Id: <199611132106.NAA07819@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Alexandre Goulart Soares" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Organization: University of Port Elizabeth Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 14:18:31 GMT+0200 Subject: Spionids from Madagascar Dear annelid lovers, I am new to this list and I would like to start with a request. I am doing a PhD study on macrobenthic communities of tropical and temperate sandy beaches. During this work I came across two species of spionids, collected in Madagascar, which I believe to be new to science: Spionid 1 -most of the characters fit it in the genus Scolelepis (prostomium pointed, branchiae from 2nd setiger till the last one, anterior notopodial and neuropodial setae all capillaries, with posterior neuro and notopodial bi-tridentaded hooded hooks, pygidium with a ventral cushion below the anus, etc.) - the outstanding characteristic is the occurrence of a stout hook on the neuropodium of the 4th setiger (with two capillary setae); in some individuals this hook also appears on the 5th and 6th setigers. This is the only difference, otherwise those segments are exactly the same as the ones from other parts of the body (with branchiae and not modified). - several characteristics prevent this spionid to fit into existent genera with stout hooks on anterior setigers such as Polydorella, Tripolydora, Boccardia, Pseudopolydora or Polydora. Spionid 2 The other spionid I found in Madagascar could be identified as Scolelepis lefebrvei, but it deviates from J.H. Day's description on two aspects: - it has hooded hooks in posterior notopodia and - the hooks may be uni and bi-dentate I am not a taxonomist and I am not updated with the latest discoveries on Spionidae taxonomy (our library is not helpfull at all on taxonomic matters). Thus, I would immensely appreciate if anybody could help us with the identification of these spionids. Thanks for your attention. Regards...............Alex Soares ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Alexandre G. Soares Fax:+27 41 504 23 17 Zoology Department e-mail:ZLBAGS@ZOO.UPE.AC.ZA University of Port Elizabeth URL:http://zoo.upe.ac.za/ P.O. Box 1600 Port Elizabeth - 6000 - South Africa ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'd rather be a moving metamorphosis than having that old ingrained concept about everything...............Raul Seixas ******************************************************************** From daemon Wed Nov 13 13:14:13 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA09163 Message-Id: <199611132114.NAA09163@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 09:28:11 -0500 Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Kristian Fauchald Subject: Re: Savigny Description de Egypte et Syrie. I believe M. Homberg to have been alive somewhat later: Audouin and Milne Edwards referred to him in their overview. The publication dates of Savigny is a complicated story, since the MS sat around in Paris for at least ten years before it was published. Savigny presented the paper in the Academy in 1809, and the plates are dated 1812. Both Cuvier and Lamarck used the MS mercilessly and pre-published most of Savigny's new taxa with nary a thankyou. The paper was issued in 1820, I believe, but the illustrations were not issued until 1826 if I remember correctly. It is a mess. The taxa published by Cuvier and Lamarck cannot be listed as having Savigny as sole author, if the dates are given as 1816, 1817 or 1818. The Savigny MS is listed in the synonymy-lists in most cases, and one could quote it as Savigny in Cuvier etc., The text of the published descriptions are in most cases NOT the same as those issued by Savigny later, and some of the synonyms are also different. The two very famous gentlemen used the MS, published what they wanted out of it, rewriting as they saw fit etc. We have had a tendency to be kind, but this is getting to be difficult. Before computers we all "knew" that when somebody said Savigny 1817, we were supposed to look for a book published by Lamarck, but unfortunately computers don't make that kind of jump and we are going to have to quote them correctly or reasonably correctly. Have fun Nechama! Kristian Fauchald NHB MRC 163 Smithsonian Institution Washington, DC 20560 USA Tel. (202)357-4757; FAX (202)357-3043 e-mail Fauchald.Kristian@nmnh.ic.si.edu From daemon Thu Nov 14 14:04:28 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12/8.6.6) id OAA13969 Message-Id: <199611142204.OAA13969@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 09:07:01 -0500 Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Linda Ward Subject: Re: Savigny Description de Egypte et Syrie. According to Opinion 1461 in the Bulletin of Zoological Nomenclature 44(3):219-220 the date for Savigny's paper is 1822. It was issued as 1(3):325-472 dated 1809 but not issued then, also issued as a separate with pagination 1-128, plates were issued separately, 2nd edition issued in 1826. Savigny,Jules-Cesar (1822): Systeme des annelides, principalement de celles des cotes de l'Egypte et de la Syrie, offrant les caracteres tant distinctifs que naturels des Ordres, Familles et Genres, avec la Description des Especes. Description de l'Egypte. Histoire Naturelle, Paris 1(3), 1-128. Linda Ward From daemon Thu Nov 14 14:04:42 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12/8.6.6) id OAA13980 Message-Id: <199611142204.OAA13980@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Petersen, Mary E. {ZMUC}" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Subject: Dodecaceria posting from Nomenclatural Sub-Committee Date: Thu, 14 Nov 96 17:12:00 DST Thursday, 14 November 1996 Dear Colleagues, My apologies for not getting this posted sooner. The posting of 8 November from the Nomenclatural Sub-Committee of the International Polychaete Association does not yet appear to have been published in the Bulletin of Zoological Nomenclature, but may be in press. In paragraph 4, a few errors are present in the names and dates in the posting sent to ANNELIDA: Terebella ostreae Grube, 1853 --> Terebella ostreae Dalyell, 1853 (= wrong AUTHOR) Heterocirrus saxicola Grube, 1853 --> Heterocirrus saxicola Grube, 1855 (= wrong YEAR) H. ater Quatrefages, 1865 --> H. ater Quatrefages, 1866 (= wrong YEAR) Mary ------- mepetersen@zmuc.ku.dk -------------------------------------- From daemon Fri Nov 15 13:27:18 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA04381 Message-Id: <199611152127.NAA04381@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Organization: Hydrobiology, Biology Dept., Moscow University From: Igor Jirkov Date: Fri, 15 Nov 96 19:13:22 +0300 Subject: Re: The status of Aglaophamus neotenus Noyes Dear colleagues, Sorry for silence, we was out. Dr. Blake wrote >Hilbig (1994: Taxonomic Atlas of the Santa Maria Basin >vol. 4) determined that A. neotenus was a synonym of Nephtys cornuta >Berkeley and Berkeley, 1945, and that the species agreed very well with >the subspecies, N. cornuta franciscana Clark and Jones, 1955, >originally described from San Francisco Bay. Hilbig noted that N. >cornuta ranged from the eastern Pacific north to SE Alaska and also >occurred in Maine, the type locality for A. neotenus. Hilbig noted >that the characteristic bifid ventral antennae of N. cornuta also >occurred in the specimens from Maine, but at a lower percentage >suggesting to her that specimens from California and Maine represented >two ends of a range of variability. In other words, a kind of clinal >variation. >According to Dr. Jirkov, Aglaophamus neotenus is a valid species of >Micronephthys and he compares it with M. minuta. I do not see any >indication in Jirkov's abstract that he found bifid ventral antennae; >the distribution of branchiae and proboscideal papillae appear to be >same as described by Hilbig for N. cornuta. Dr. Hilbig wrote >My feeling when I looked at a large number of specimens from both coasts >of the U.S. was that maybe there are two species in the making and they >may be separated if I come back in a few thousand years to look again. The >second antennae were not always clearly bifid, but they all had at least a >basal thickening or a boss. 1. Studying Micronephthys from the White Sea, we found two species which are very close each other. One seems to be identical to topotypes Nephtys minuta Theel, 1879, earlier it became the type species of the genus Micronephthys. As other species is very similar, we suppose it is Micronephthys as well. This species is very similar to descriptions of neotenus, that is why we supposed our species is M.neotena. 2. In our present article we wrote nothing about bifid antennae. Later we found that large specimens of M.neotena have bifid lower antennae, lower (smaller) branch is near 1/3 to 1/4 as long as larger branch. In smaller worms small branch is smaller. The smaller worm the smaller branch and in petit worms we can find only boss. The length of smaller branch seem to be depend on contraction while fixation as well. So in this aspect (presence of bifid antennae) our M.neotena is similar to Aglaophamus neotenus from Main (this character did not mention in the original description). 3. As to M.minuta, our worms is not large and is not well preserved, and the smaller branch of bifid antenna is very small, like boss. Dr. Blake gave us choice: our M.neotena is >(1) A synonym of Nephtys cornuta >(2) A valid species of Micronephthys 1. Is our worms M.neotena the same as Aglaophamus neotenus from Main? We have not find any difference between them, but we did not compare worms. 2. Is our worms M.neotena the same as Nephtys cornuta? We cannot say. 3. But studying of available data on distribution of our two species we can state, that M.minuta is arctic species, with south boundary of distribution in the North European seas the East Barents Sea and the arctic part of the White Sea. The M.neotena in our sense is the boreal species distributed in the boreal part of the White sea and in the West Barents Sea. There is no data from the Norwegian Sea, but in the North Sea the new species of Micronephthys inhabits. This species is sharply differs from both our species by setae and many other characters. (Paper is just kindly checked by Mary and is ready for publishing). That is why we do not believe that the same species occurs the North European sea and the eastern Pacific. Another question: Dr. Hilbig wrote: >By the way, having never seen a Micronephtys minuta, what exactly is >Micronephtys? It seems to me that the only character separating it from >Nephtys is the small number of gills (or total absence thereof?). If >that is the case, I wonder if the genus is valid. We can discuss it, but it seems to be too much for one message. Wormly yours Natalya & Igor --- *************************************************** Igor A. Jirkov, Ph.D. Scientific Researcher Department of Hydrobiology, Igor Jirkov From daemon Fri Nov 15 13:49:31 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA07440 Message-Id: <199611152149.NAA07440@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Geoff Read" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 10:27:42 +0000 Subject: (Fwd) Recoveries '97 Conference Relevance? I prefer to leave the judgement to the list members. - GBR. ------- Forwarded Message to Annelida Follows ------- From: "Recoveries '97 Conference" To: "'gread@storm.greta.cri.nz'" Subject: submission to ANNELIDA Date: Fri, 15 Nov 96 16:45:00 PST if relevant, please, include the following in ANNELIDA newsgroup. Thanks, best regards, sincerely, Petr Cejchan, recovery@gli.cas.cz _________________ message follows ______________ Subject:cfp: RECOVERIES '97 FIRST ANNOUNCEMENT - CALL FOR PARTICIPATION - CALL FOR PAPERS %%%%%%%%%%%%%% RECOVERIES '97 %%%%%%%%%%%%%% The final meeting of the UNESCO IGCP Project 335 "Biotic Recoveries from Mass Exctinctions" September 12-14, 1997 Prague, Czech Republic ________________________________________________ PLEASE, POINT YOUR WWW BROWSER TO: http://www.gli.cas.cz/conf/recovery/recovery.htm ________________________________________________ About the project In the history of the Earth (including the recent), numerous events of ecosystem collapses occurred that were followed by recoveries and origination of new ecosystems. This significant transformation could be realised in numerous ways. The project aims to be a platform for the study of survival and recovery of the biosphere, and restructuring of global environments, following mass extinctions. The project outlines are: (1) to study patterns of extinction/survivorship of organisms during the mass extinction events; (2) to analyse the evolutionary and ecological strategies that allowed clades and communities to survive and initiate subsequent biotic recoveries; (3) to study the structure of the deep-crisis ecosystem; (4) to elucidate the recovery initiation mechanisms; (5) to find the time, space and functional patterns of the recovery; (6) to refine the data and tools for this discipline; (7) to develop general models by means of comparison of individual global crises in Earth's history; (8) to apply these (predictive) models to better understanding the modern environmental and biodiversity crises. This international project is headed by Douglas H. Erwin, Smithsonian Institution, Washington, D.C., and Erle G. Kauffman, University of Colorado, Boulder. Over sixty countries are involved in the project. Audience The meeting should bring together palaeobiologists, palaeontologists, biologists, ecologists, systems theorists, and other persons that are interested in the topic. Organisers The conference is held under the auspices of the Geological Institute, Academy of Sciences, and is organised by: Petr Cejchan & Jindrich Hladil Geological Institute, Academy of Sciences Rozvojova 135 CZ 165 02 Praha 6 Lysolaje Czech Republic Venue The conference will be held at the new IKEM Conference Building, Videnska 800, Prague 4, Czech Republic, two bus-stops away from the Metro line C station "Kacerov", ca. 20 minutes off the city centre. Programme September 10 registration of pre-excursionists (afternoon) September 11 pre-session excursion to the Cretaceous of Bohemia; registration (afternoon) September 12 sessions September 13 sessions; banquet in the evening September 14 sessions September 15 -16 post-session excursion to the Palaeozoic of the Barrandian Accommodation (US$ per person & night) To reserve the hotel room, you will be asked to pay for accommodation before July 31, 1997. high-level **** A - single 185 B - double 111 medium *** C - single 70 D - double 50 E - apartment double 57 F - apartment triple 44 cheap ** G - single (in 2x single apartment ) 27 H- double (in 2x double apartment ) 20 I - apartment double 27 Deadlines pre-registration (WWW or printed form) January 31, 1997 abstracts May 31, 1997 following items are valid only when paid before the specified date: early registration and excursions May 31, 1997 late registration and excursions September 12, 1997 hotel reservation & payment July 31, 1997 Payments (US$) early registration (before May 31, 1997) late registration (after May 31, 1997) registration fee 250 300 registration student fee 175 210 pre-session excursion 50 60 post-session excursion 100 120 accompanying persons 150 180 Contacts Please, direct all your correspondence related to the conference to the Conference Manager: Petra Hovorkova, Recoveries '97 Eurocongress Centre Budejovicka 15 CZ 140 00 Praha 4 fax +42-2-61211247 For conference update and details on the programme please consult: http://www.gli.cas.cz/conf/recovery/recovery.htm e-mail: recovery@gli.cas.cz Equipment The conference hall will be professionally equipped, including: two projection screens two 35 mm slide projectors one overhead projector computer presentation projection (Windows 95 + MS Power Point) video projection (VHS only) microphones. The poster presentation room will be equipped with poster panels and will be available during all the session days. Abstracts Abstracts should be submitted before May 31, 1997, preferably as plain text on a DOS-formatted diskette. The abstract book will be included with the conference materials. Persons interested in obtaining the abstracts in advance can order the DOS-formatted diskette with abstracts for US$ 25 (after July 1, 1997). Contributions The conference will result in a refereed proceedings book (not included with the conference materials). Authors should submit their contributions to the conference proceedings book by September 12, 1997, i.e., by the beginning of the sessions. Authors are asked to provide the text on a DOS-diskette, together with a paper proof. Student support 3% of the conference budget will be used to support a limited number of student participants at lower fee. Students (undergraduate & graduate) must supply a certificate of their student status together with the pre-registration form. Pre-register soon to take the advantage of student support. Banquet is not included in student fee, however, other aspects do not differ from ordinary participants' ones. Pre-registration Please, use the pre-registration form included here, or the electronic pre-registration feature at http://www.gli.cas.cz/conf/recovery/preform.htm to let us know about your interest and your preferences. You will be included with our mailing list. Your pre-registration will help us to estimate the real needs of the conference, as well as keep you informed. Second announcement The responders to the first announcement will obtain the second announcement (registration form, hotel reservation form & call for papers) during February, 1997. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% PRE-REGISTRATION FORM %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Please complete and return to: Petra Hovorkova Recoveries '97 Eurocongress Centre Budejovicka 15 CZ 140 00 Praha 4 fax +42-2-61211247 Forename: Initial(s): Surname: Title: Sex [M/F]: Affiliation: Address[street]: City: Post/Zip code: Country: State/Province: Phone: Fax: E-mail: Please tick: I shall attend possibly probably almost certainly, and I intend to be accompanied by one two three more accompanying persons [x $150] I want to apply for a student fee [$175] and I am enclosing a copy of my student status certificate (required) yes - no I intend to give a lecture yes - no I want to present a poster yes - no I intend to submit an abstract entitled: I intend to join the one-day pre-session field trip [$50] yes - no I intend to join the two-days post-session field trip [$100] yes - no I would like to have dinners at the Conference Restaurant [booking only] yes - no I would like this type of accommodation (see above): A B C D E F G H I Other requirements (please specify): I agree with putting my name onto a publicly accessible electronic list of participants on the Web yes - no Please forward this message to your colleagues or other persons of interest! From daemon Fri Nov 15 17:15:21 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12/8.6.6) id RAA29561 Message-Id: <199611160115.RAA29561@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Sat, 16 Nov 96 10:34 GST Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Alan Eugene Davis Subject: Tropical Seasonality I have been collecting information on tropical seasonality for several years. My special interest is in marine seasonality. I am interested in obtaining information regarding any tropical polychaetes in which seasonality of any kind (abundance, distribution, and more usually reproductive) has been observed. I am aware of one such instance in Chuuk, E. Caroline Islands, and have observed the luminescent epitokes of certain worms (maybe or maybe not a _Palolo_ sp.) that are associated traditionally with the third night after full moon. Another night of the moon has the same name, so a different worm may also be involved. I would be grateful for any suggestive or documented information regarding _any_ seasonal phenomena in the tropics, especially in the Pacific. Hopefully it will eventually---probably some years hence---possible to produce a review. -- Alan Eugene Davis Marianas High School 15o 8.8'N GMT+10 adavis@saipan.com AAA 196 Box 10,001 145o 42.5'E Saipan, MP 96950 Northern Mariana Islands 1997---International Year of the Coral Reef From daemon Mon Nov 18 13:07:54 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA00697 Message-Id: <199611182107.NAA00697@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 10:33:02 -0800 Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Eugene D. Gallagher" Organization: Environmental Sciences Program UMASS/Boston Subject: Re: Tropical Seasonality Alan Eugene Davis wrote: > I am interested in obtaining information regarding any tropical > polychaetes in which seasonality of any kind (abundance, distribution, > and more usually reproductive) has been observed. I am aware of one > such instance in Chuuk, E. Caroline Islands, and have observed the > luminescent epitokes of certain worms (maybe or maybe not a _Palolo_ > sp.) that are associated traditionally with the third night after full > moon. Another night of the moon has the same name, so a different > worm may also be involved. The classic polychaete with luminescent epitokes that swarm 3 days after the full moon is the Bermudian _Odontosyllis enopla_. Palolo worms swarm after a 'gibbous moon' (3rd quarter), or so my old collection of odd papers say (refs below). Here are some of the refs on Odontosyllis, many dealing with the timing 3 d after the full moon (Huntsman and Markert et al. are the classic refs; Daly indicates that the epitoky may be reversible). Berkeley, E. 1935. Swarming of _Odontosyllis phosphorea_ Moore and of other Polychaeta near Nanaimo, B.C. Nature 136: 1029. Crawshay, L. R. 1935. Possible bearing of a luminous syllid on the question of the landfall of Columbus. Nature 136: 559-560. Daly, J. M. 1975. Reversible epitoky in the life history of the polychaete _Odontosyllis polycera_ (Schmarda 1861). J. mar. Biol. Assoc. U.K. Fraser, C. M. 1915. The swarming of Odontosyllis. Trans. Roy. Soc. Can., Ser. III 9: 43-49. Gidholm, L. 1969. The role of light in the swarming of the polychaete Autolytus. Zool. Bidr. Upps. 38: 129-135 [Not Odontosyllis, but the response to light appears similar] Goodrich, E. 1933. Notes on Odontosyllis. Quarterly Journal of Microscopical Science 76: 319-329. Huntsman, A. G. 1948. Odontosyllis at Bermuda and lunar periodicity. J. Fish. Res. Bd. Can 7: 363-369. Lummel, L. 1932. Over lichtende wormpjes in de baai van Bataria. Tropische Natuur. (Nederlandsh-Indisch-natur-historisch vereeniging) 21: 85-87 [On Odontosyllis hyalina] Markert, R. E., B. J. Markert, and N. J. Vertrees. 1961. Lunar periodicity in spawning and luminescence in _Odontosyllis enopla_. Ecology 42: 414-415. Potts, F. A. 1913. The swarming of Odontosyllis. Proc. Cambr. Phil Soc. 17: 193-200. Wilkens, L. A. and J. J. Wolken 1981. Electroretinograms from _Odontosyllis enopla_ (Polychaeta; Syllidae): initial observations on the visual system of the bioluminescent fireworm of Bermuda. Mar. Behav. Physiol. 8: 55-66. As I recall, the palolo worm swarms after the 3rd quarter ('the gibbous moon'), but here are some refs to check it out. Most are from the papers of the now defunct Tortugas Lab. A very nice librarian at the U. of Washington used to be able to dig these up for me. Clark, L. B. and W. N. Hess. 1938. Swarming of the palolo worm (Eunice fucata) under natural conditions with observations of the reaction of the free living sexual ends. Carnegie Institute of Washington Yearbook 37: 88. Clark, L. B. and W. N. Hess. 1940. Swarming of the Atlantic palolo worm, Leodice fucata. Tortugas Lab Papers 33: 21-70. Mayer, A. G. 1908. The annual breeding swarm of the Atlantic palolo. Papers from the Tortugas Lab 1: 105-112. Eugene D. Gallagher From daemon Wed Nov 20 13:34:37 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA15674 Message-Id: <199611202134.NAA15674@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 21:36:02 +0900 Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: myohara@ss.nises.affrc.go.jp (Maroko Myohara) Subject: looking for a visiting researcher [Enchytraeus] Dear Annelid reseachers: I am a new member of this mailing list. I am looking for a biologist who will be able to come to Japan and work with me on my new project on the regeneration of an earthworm, Enchytraeus japonensis (Nakamura, 1993), for which I am applying for a government grant. The subject of the grant proposal is "Development of a new reseach system for studying the invertebrate regeneration", and the term is from April 1997 to March 1998. Although my chance for the grant may be about 50%, I need to find a candidate(s) for the visiting biologist now to fill the application form. I sould be grateful if you would consider to come to Japan sometime between September 1997 and March 1998. Length of the stay could be from several days (just for some seminors in this case) to six months. The grant will pay you all of your travel expenses and 15,000-18,000 yen/day (depends on your age) during the stay. In spite of having no reseach experience with oligochaetes (my master's thesis was on reproduction and development of polychaete annelids but after that, in these 17-18 years, I have been working with Drosophila and other insects), I decided to work with this earthworm, E. japonenses, because I believed it could make an excellent reseach system for the invertebrate regeneration. E. japonensis reproduces asexually by fragmenting the full-grown body (10-15 mm long) into about 10 fragments. All the fragments complete regeneration of the head and the tail in 4 days and grow fully in another 10 days, that is, the fragmentation occurs every two weeks (at 25 degree). Therefore a clone of 10,000 worms can be made from a single worm in two months! Sexual reproduction also can be observed under the laboratry condition. Five people (Dr. Tochinai, a professor of Hokkaido University, two of his students, my postdoc Dr. Noro, and myself) are working with the earthworm now. We are all enjoying work with it but none of us is an expert of the field. We are eager to learn ANYTHING on earthworms. If you (or some of your acquaintances) are interested in the project and might be able to come to help us, please send me the following information by e-mail or fax. (My e-mail address is myohara@ss.nises.affrc.go.jp; the fax number is 81-298-38-6090.) 1) Full name 2) Age 3) Sex 4) Nationality 5) Institution 6) Job title 7) Research experiences and achievements 8) Awards 9) Number of scientific publications 10) Possible reseach project(s) you would like to carry out with us during the stay I am looking forward to hear from you. Many thanks for your time. ------------------------------------------------------- MAROKO MYOHARA Tsukuba, Ibaraki 305, Japan ... Natl. Inst. Sericultural & ... Entomological Science ... TEL+81-298-38-6096 TEL 0298-38-6096 FAX+81-298-38-6028 FAX 0298-38-6090, 6028 -------------------------------------------------------- [lines 2-4 foreshortened in above address due to character-set problems - moderator] From daemon Wed Nov 20 19:48:20 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12/8.6.6) id TAA27253 Message-Id: <199611210348.TAA27253@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Geoff Read" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Organization: NIWA Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 16:18:49 +1100 Subject: Vent urls & the annelid resources page Hello folks, Just a quick one -- I've added some links to biology software lists onto the end of the resources page at: http://www.keil.ukans.edu/~worms/res-res.html Also there must be some good vent pages out there for images, etc of the vestimentiferans, or even the alvinellids, since it's such a hot topic (ahem!), but I haven't found much yet. Let me know if you've done better. Thanks, PS: Did anyone seeing the recent Nat. Geographic article on seep 'worms' find anything in the text resembling a hint as to taxonomic placement? Geoff -- Geoff Read URL:http://www.keil.ukans.edu/~worms/g-read.html From daemon Sun Nov 24 00:18:39 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12/8.6.6) id AAA21542 Message-Id: <199611240818.AAA21542@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Organization: h s zool c bio f From: "Vadim M. Khaitov" Date: Sun, 24 Nov 96 00:19:13 +0300 Subject: about Syllidae identification Dear colleagues! May anybody give me an advance? What kind of book I should use for identification of Syllidae from the White Sea? Those books that I have used are give not reliable identification. I would be very pleased if you send me any tables for using. Thank you very much. !==================================! !=====================================! ! Vadim M. Khaitov ! ! ! ! Dept. of Invertebrate Zoology ! ! E-mail: polydora@vmk.stud.pu.ru ! ! Faculty of Biology & Soil Sci. ! ! ! ! St.Petersburg State University ! ! Phone (Fax) 152 4514 ! ! Universitetskaya nab. 7/9, ! ! Fax after reaching agreement only ! ! 199034 St.Petersburg, RUSSIA ! ! ! !==================================! !=====================================! From daemon Tue Nov 26 19:34:39 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12/8.6.6) id TAA02897 Message-Id: <199611270334.TAA02897@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 11:42:52 +0900 Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: miura@zero.fish.kagoshima-u.ac.jp (Tomoyuki Miura) Subject: Underwater painting method Dear annelid researchers, Geoff Read wrote: Read>PS: Did anyone seeing the recent Nat. Geographic article on seep 'worms' Read>find anything in the text resembling a hint as to taxonomic placement? I read the vent worm article on National Geographic. It was very interesting for me. Concerning with this article, I am wondering if anyone has any information on the painting methods and materials used in this work. The authors used a kind of painting materials resistant for more than one year in seawater and the tube is thought to be painted by using a deepsea submersible (with not so skilful hand). As we are working on a shallow water species of Lamellibrachia since its finding in 1993, we try to collecte any information on their life. Their growth and life span are also our subject, but not so simple even in the shallow water species. Even I could maintain this species in my laboratory for more than one year, the worms did not show any growth of tube. The maintenance experiment of this species is now continued by JAMSTEC (Yokosuka) and Kagohsima Aquarium (open in 1997). As this species lives on the bottom with volcanic gas seeps at the depths of 80-110 m in Kagohsima Bay, its field experiments is not difficult. I would appreciate if you could help me to send any information concerning the underwater painting methods. Thanks in advance, Tomo Miura Reference: Hashimoto, J., T. Miura, K. Fujikura, and J. Ossaka, 1993: Discoverry of vestimentiferan tube-worms in the euphotic zone. Zoological Science, 10: 1063-1067. ============================================= Tomoyuki Miura miura@zero.fish.kagoshima-u.ac.jp Faculty of Fisheries, Kagoshima University 4-50-20, Shimoarata, Kagoshima, 890 Japan Tel: +81-99-286-4272, Fax: +81-99-286-4015 ============================================= From daemon Tue Nov 26 21:33:49 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12/8.6.6) id VAA13332 Message-Id: <199611270533.VAA13332@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Geoff Read" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Organization: NIWA Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 18:26:44 +1100 Subject: Re: Underwater painting method Tomo Miura wrote: > I read the vent worm article on National Geographic. ... In case there are people who have escaped the tentacles of Nat. Geographic's circulation dept and don't know the aforementioned article here is the citation information. MacDonald, I. R., C. Fisher, et al. (1996). "Life without light." National Geographic 190(4): 86-97. (October issue) Popular article about brine pool and hydrogen sulphide gas seep fauna in Gulf of Mexico. Clams and tube worms, the latter appear to be vestimentiferans though this is not explained. From memory I think the name of a research institute and/or university involved was mentioned, so if we're talking about the same article it should not be too difficult to trace the authors and ask them directly about their techniques :-). Or someone on the list may have their e-mail. Now to leap into unsupported space: I assumed they have published elsewhere but couldn't readily find MacDonald in my lit database which isn't very good on this topic unless polychaetes are involved. However, it's possible the Charles Fisher may be this gentleman: Childress,JJ; Fisher,Charles R (1992): The biology of hydrothermal vent animals: physiology, biochemistry, and autotrophic symbioses. Oceanogr. Mar. Biol. Annu. Rev. 30, 337-441. And, since it vaguely matches my dimming recollection, Tomo will be able to see from the article if one institute for C Fisher could be: (Geochem. and Environ. Res. Group, 10 S. Graham Road, Dep. Oceanography, Texas A and M Univ., College Station, Tex. 77840.) -- Geoff Read From daemon Wed Nov 27 10:00:29 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA15503 Message-Id: <199611271800.KAA15503@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 09:28:01 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: pchevald@ahab.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Underwater painting method Dear annelid researchers, dear Tomo Miura, dear Geoff, The tube staining method was developed by Dr. Charles R. Fisher of Pennsylvania State University. His e-mail address is cfisher@psu.edu The stained worms on page 95 are the vestimentiferan Lamellibrachia sp., while, if I am not mistaking, a second species (Escarpia sp.) can be seen at the periphery of the main Lamellibrachia "bush" on pages 96-97. I am not quite sure they have clearly been assigned to species yet. But Chuck Fisher would be the most appropriate person to ask. Regards Pierre Chevaldonne Center for Deep-Sea Ecology and Biotechnology Institute of Marine and Coastal Sciences Rutgers University Dudley Road, Cook College New Brunswick, NJ 08903, USA Tel: 908 932 8959 (x-205) Fax: 908 932 6557 E-mail: pchevald@imcs.rutgers.edu