From daemon Mon Feb 2 12:28:03 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id MAA19692 Message-Id: <199802022028.MAA19692@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Peter Olive" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:13:33 +0000 Subject: Re: Nereis - nomenclature Erik Kristensen writes to Annelida about the use of subgenus names for Nereids. I look forward to seeing the reply from those expert in such matters. I have (for fear of doing the wrong thing) been writing about Nereis (Neanthes) virens and Nereis (Hediste) diversicolor and Nereis (Nereis) pelagica - but I would much rather stick to Nereis. The literature from the New world seems to favour the use of Neanthes. I shall be glad to know what is considered the correct form of address for these worms. Peter Olive -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Tue Feb 3 07:19:15 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id HAA27393 Message-Id: <199802031519.HAA27393@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 09:49:26 +0000 Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Dr M.G. Bentley" Subject: Nereis nomenclature I too should be glad for some guidance on the current accepted (correct) usage of Nereis (Neanthes) virens and Nereis (Hediste) diversicolor. I notice that much of the Environment Agency, SEPA, JNCC, SNH, literature here in Britain use Hediste diversicolor routinely. Any help would be most welcome. Matt Bentley ****************************************************************** Dr M.G. Bentley Marine Invertebrate Reproduction Group Gatty Marine Laboratory School of Environmental and Evolutionary Biology University of St Andrews St Andrews KY16 8LB Scotland UK Tel: +44 1334 463444 Fax: +44 1334 463443 e-mail: mgb@st-andrews.ac.uk ******************************************************************** -- ANNELIDA Discuss = annelida@net.bio.net = talk to all members Server = biosci-server@net.bio.net = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Tue Feb 3 17:54:42 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id RAA16007 Message-Id: <199802040154.RAA16007@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:19:41 -0500 Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: judy A Fournier <110275.1004@compuserve.com> Subject: Euphrosinidae - Feeding Guild? Dear Annelidans, Could someone tell me what feeding guild the Euphrosinidae should be referred to? I am posting this on behalf of a colleague who suspects "subsurface deposit feeder" would be close. I tend to agree about "deposit feeder" but do not know if they are surface or subsurface. We are looking mainly at arctic species. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Judy Fournier <110275.1004@compuserve.com> -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Tue Feb 3 18:33:31 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id SAA19953 Message-Id: <199802040233.SAA19953@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:18:12 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Aaron Bartholomew Subject: Re: Nereis nomenclature Ditto on the nomenclature issue, I'm not sure whether to use Neanthes or Nereis for species I identify either. -Thanks On Tue, 3 Feb 1998, Dr M.G. Bentley wrote: > I too should be glad for some guidance on the current accepted (correct) > usage of Nereis (Neanthes) virens and Nereis (Hediste) diversicolor. I > notice that much of the Environment Agency, SEPA, JNCC, SNH, literature > here in Britain use Hediste diversicolor routinely. Aaron Bartholomew -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Tue Feb 3 23:38:34 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id XAA15146 Message-Id: <199802040738.XAA15146@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Helmut Zibrowius" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Wed, 4 Feb 98 07:33:36 MST Subject: Re: Euphrosinidae - Feeding Guild? On Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:19:41 -0500, judy A Fournier wrote: >Could someone tell me what feeding guild the Euphrosinidae should be >referred to? I am posting this on behalf of a colleague who suspects >"subsurface deposit feeder" would be close. I tend to agree about >"deposit feeder" but do not know if they are surface or subsurface. We >are looking mainly at arctic species. Considering their tentacle crown and easily observable behaviour, there may be little doubt on the general way Serpulids feed (the only family I am somewhat familiar with). In other cases I often wonder if it is reasonable that whole families are appointed members of that or that feeding guild. For example because mouthparts of just one species had been considered good for predating, or because some ancient author had thought they could do this or that. Surely, it is very convenient to rely to once for ever decided rigid categories .... Could someone tell me what feeding guild the Darwin Finches should be referred to? ----------------------------------- Helmut ZIBROWIUS (Centre d'Oceanologie de Marseille) Station Marine d'Endoume Rue Batterie des Lions 13007 Marseille / France E-MAIL: hzibrowi@com.univ-mrs.fr TEL: within France 0491041624 from abroad +33 491041624 FAX: within France 0491041635 from abroad +33 491041635 --------------------------------------------------------- -- ANNELIDA Discuss = annelida@net.bio.net = talk to all members Server = biosci-server@net.bio.net = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Wed Feb 4 01:25:36 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id BAA24843 Message-Id: <199802040925.BAA24843@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 00:39:01 -0800 Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Derek C. Moore" Subject: Nereis, Neanthes, Hediste In reply to Matt Bentley's comment on the EA, SEPA, JNCC and SNH in the UK using Hediste diversicolor routinely, this is because UK benthic ecologists have agreed (in general) to employ the nomenclature contained in the so-called MCS Species Directory, which has recently emerged as a second edition. In this new edition the annelid section, admirably compiled by Andy Mackie, gives full genus status to Hediste and Neanthes but clearly states the synonomy with Nereis recognised by Chambers and Garwood (1992). Regards Derek C Moore -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Derek C Moore, Senior Scientific Officer LAB TEL (44)(0)1224 876544 Environmental Protection Section (EPS) DIR TEL (44)(0)1224 295441* Fisheries Research Services LAB FAX (44)(0)1224 295511 Marine Laboratory, Aberdeen EPS FAX (44)(0)1224 295524* PO Box 101, Victoria Rd EMAIL MOOREDC@MARLAB.AC.UK Aberdeen AB11 9DB, UK http://www.marlab.ac.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ANNELIDA Discuss = annelida@net.bio.net = talk to all members Server = biosci-server@net.bio.net = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Wed Feb 4 07:30:30 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id HAA01244 Message-Id: <199802041530.HAA01244@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 05:44:50 -0800 Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Derek C. Moore" Subject: Apologies to Christer Erseus! Dear All, I should have made clear that Prof. Christer Erseus co-authored the chapter on Annelids with Andy Mackie ... my apologies for this omission, Regards Derek C Moore -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Derek C Moore, Senior Scientific Officer LAB TEL (44)(0)1224 876544 Environmental Protection Section (EPS) DIR TEL (44)(0)1224 295441* Fisheries Research Services LAB FAX (44)(0)1224 295511 Marine Laboratory, Aberdeen EPS FAX (44)(0)1224 295524* PO Box 101, Victoria Rd EMAIL MOOREDC@MARLAB.AC.UK Aberdeen AB11 9DB, UK http://www.marlab.ac.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ANNELIDA Discuss = annelida@net.bio.net = talk to all members Server = biosci-server@net.bio.net = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Wed Feb 4 14:12:50 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id OAA04632 Message-Id: <199802042212.OAA04632@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:13:21 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Marine Biology Laboratory Subject: Re: Nereis, Neanthes, Hediste I have just seen the posting by Derek Moore on the Neanthes name issue and wonder if the MCS Species Directory he referred to is available for distribution? Is it available electronically? How could I get the directory? Thanks for any assistance bye for now Thomas Parker mblcsdla@netcom.com -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Wed Feb 4 14:18:50 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id OAA05671 Message-Id: <199802042218.OAA05671@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Geoff Read" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Organization: NIWA (Nat. Inst. Water & Atmos. Research) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:08:53 +1100 Subject: Re: Nereis, Neanthes, Hediste > I have just seen the posting by Derek Moore on the Neanthes name issue > and wonder if the MCS Species Directory he referred to is available for > distribution? Is it available electronically? At a guess no. The Mackie/Erseus annelid list WAS available electronically but withdrawn. A link to this page has been on Annelida resources for a long time (hoping it would come back). It would be nice if it could be made available somehow as the whole book is rather expensive. >How could I get the directory? A bit of ferreting around Bernard Picton's pages revealed: http://www2.tcd.ie/People/Bernard.Picton/species/index.html "The Species Directory of the marine fauna and flora of the British Isles and surrounding seas." Howson, C.M. & Picton, B. E. (Eds.) 508 pages Ulster Museum and Marine Conservation Society, Belfast and Ross-on-Wye. ISBN 0 94815006 8 Available from: The Marine Conservation Society, 9 Gloucester Road, Ross-on-Wye, Herefordshire, HR9 5BU, England, UK Telephone: Int + 44 1989 566017 or UK: 01989 566017 Price 53 pounds sterling plus post and packing. -- Geoff Read -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Wed Feb 4 21:33:52 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id VAA11293 Message-Id: <199802050533.VAA11293@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Geoff Read" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Organization: NIWA (Nat. Inst. Water & Atmos. Research) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 18:16:58 +1100 Subject: Libbie Hyman Hi folks, A snippet of info: By chance today I came across a web'ised (not elegant but no matter) short autobiography of Libbie Hyman of fame through "The invertebrates" multi-volume treatise. I recommend it to you all as a worthwhile read when you have a free moment to look. It is rather a surprise, and sad that her personal life was so difficult. Also surprising to me is that her doctoral thesis was "An Analysis of the Process of Regeneration in Certain Microdrilous Oligochaetes". I knew she had done a handful of papers impinging on annelids. http://www.ul.cs.cmu.edu/books/biographical_memoirs/bio108.htm Deceased 1969. Now which of you own up to meeting her? :-) Geoff -- Geoff Read -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Thu Feb 5 12:56:57 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id MAA11865 Message-Id: <199802052056.MAA11865@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: DanauSakai@aol.com Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:42:39 EST Subject: Re: Libbie Hyman Thanks for the website. You mentioned her difficult personal life. To flip the coin, what is amazing is that those of us (myself included) with an easy personal life have accomplished so little by comparison. You failed to mention the author, G. Evelyn Hutchinson, considered the grandfather of ecology in the U.S. Many (most?) ecologists in major universities of the U.S. can trace their lineage back to Hutchinson. Last, as a graduate student in the early 70's visiting Friday Harbor Labs of the University of Washington, the staff pointed out an old abandoned building outside of the town of Friday Harbor hanging over the waters. They told us that this was Libbie Hyman's lab and how she would simply drop a bucket over the edge into the waters to get samples to look at specimens for her treatises. I wonder if it still there? Walt Walter H. Sakai "MIGRATE WITH THE MONARCHS" Professor of Biology Santa Monica College Research Associate, Entomology Section 1900 Pico Blvd Los Angeles Co. Museum of Natural History Santa Monica, CA 90405-1268 Tele: (310)450-5150 X9702 FAX: (310)581-8624 Emails: sakai_walter@smc.edu; DanauSakai@aol.com Master Bird Banding Permit No. 22030 "The best way to learn something is to teach it." -- ANNELIDA Discuss = annelida@net.bio.net = talk to all members Server = biosci-server@net.bio.net = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Thu Feb 5 13:07:02 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id NAA14110 Message-Id: <199802052107.NAA14110@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 20:22:46 +0000 Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Pei_Yuan Qian Subject: Professor Wu Baoling Dear Friends and fellow polychaete scientists, Grievously inform you that Prof. Wu Baoling passed away at 2:45 this morning (Feb 5,1998). I will fly back to Qingdao to attend his funeral and to be with his family. Professor Wu has been the best polychaete scientist in China and contributed a great deal to the marine science research in this region. He has also promoted international exchange programs between China and the rest of the world. It is too sad and too difficult for me to express my deep sorrow at this moment. I think that many friends may share the same feeling as I do. The obituary and member of his funeral office has been formed. His funeral will be held at 10:00 of Jan 9, 1998 at Qingdao Funeral Parlor. For those of you who want to pay your sympathy to his family, please send your message through fax at 86-532-2867468. Pei-Yuan Qian Associate Professor in Biology Hong Kong University of Science and Technology Clear Water Bay, Hong Kong Tel: 0852-2358-7331/7336/7337 Fax: 0852-2358-1559 -- ANNELIDA Discuss = annelida@net.bio.net = talk to all members Server = biosci-server@net.bio.net = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Thu Feb 5 14:18:28 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id OAA23921 Message-Id: <199802052218.OAA23921@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 13:25:37 -0800 Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Kirk Fitzhugh Subject: Thailand contact Dear Annelidans: Does any one know a person to contact in Thailand working on freshwater invertebrates, especially snails? Greg Rouse and I are trying to obtain travel funds to collect the sabellid _Caobangia_ from northern Thailand. It would be appropriate to work in collaboration with specialists in that country. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks much, Kirk Fitzhugh -- ANNELIDA Discuss = annelida@net.bio.net = talk to all members Server = biosci-server@net.bio.net = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Sun Feb 8 13:56:01 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id NAA29417 Message-Id: <199802082156.NAA29417@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Jacques.Grall@univ-brest.fr Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 12:16:35 +0100 (MET) Subject: Chemo-autotrophy Message from Pr M. GLEMAREC Dear Annelidans, I am wondering if any capitellid species is able to perform Chemo-autotrophy when living inside anoxic sediments ? Does anyone of you have any references on that subject? Thanks in advance. M. GLEMAREC Please reply to Jacques.Grall@univ-brest.fr --------------------------------------------------- Jacques GRALL UMR CNRS 6539- Ecologie Benthique- Institut Universitaire Europeen de la Mer Place Copernic 29280 PLOUZANE France Tel : 33 (0)2 98 49 86 77 Fax : 33 (0)2 98 49 86 45 -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Sun Feb 8 21:03:13 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id VAA06961 Message-Id: <199802090503.VAA06961@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Geoff Read" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Organization: NIWA (Nat. Inst. Water & Atmos. Research) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:48:44 +1100 Subject: Re: Nereis - nomenclature Erik Kristensen wrote: > ... However, I am a > little frustrated about the increasing number of papers using new genus > names for nereids, e.g. Hediste diversicolor instead of Nereis > diversicolor and Neanthes virens instead of Nereis virens. Hardly new - Hediste is 1867, Neanthes is 1866. They are ancient and venerable, if rather flimsily defined. Neanthes has probably been in continuous use since, and Hediste has undergone a revival over some years now. Biologists can use them at the level they wish without fear of censure either way. It's not important. But please, when you really want to say "We prefer Hediste here, others may call it Nereis diversicolor," DO NOT make Nereis apparently a subgenus of Hediste as in the bizarre formation 'Hediste (Nereis) diversicolor' (examplars: the 4th Conference vol. abstracts p.623, p631, p638). -- Geoff Read -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Mon Feb 9 13:00:25 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id NAA19673 Message-Id: <199802092100.NAA19673@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 19:09:18 +0100 Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Helmut Goerke" Organization: AWI Subject: Re: Nereis - nomenclature In my view, Hediste, Neanthes and Nereis are subgenera of the genus Nereis LINNE, 1758. The common characteristics outweigh the small differences in the arrangement of setae by far. Subgenus Nereis has homogomph spinigers and homogomph falcigers in the middle and posterior notopods. Subgenus Neanthes has only homogomph spinigers in the notopods. Subgenus Hediste also has only homogomph spinigers in the notopods and one homogomph falciger above the acicula in the middle and posterior neuropods additionally. Shaft and apical element of this seta can be more or less fused. In my opinion Eunereis also belongs as subgenus to Nereis. Eunereis has also homogomph falcigers in middle and posterior notopods as the subgenus Nereis has. Subgenus Eunereis differs from the other subgenera by the weak development of the paragnaths (they are very small and less numerous) in the maxillar ring of the proboscis; occasionally they are even absent there. All these differences are distinct, but they are small in comparison with the many common Nereis characteristics. This is why the nomenclature exemplified by Nereis (Hediste) diversicolor, Nereis (Neanthes) virens and Nereis (Nereis) pelagica should be retained. Gesa Hartmann-Schroeder --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Since Dr. Gesa Hartmann-Schroeder has no access to "Annelida", I am communicating her response to Erik Kristensen's inquiry. I shall send any further notes on this topic by surface mail to her. The 2nd. revised edition of Annelida, Borstenwuermer, Polychaeta by Gesa Hartmann-Schroeder, Part 58 of Die Tierwelt Deutschlands und der angrenzenden Meeresteile nach ihren Merkmalen und nach ihrer Lebensweise, Gustav Fischer Verlag, Jena, appeared in 1996. ISBN 3-437-35038-2. Helmut Goerke Alfred-Wegener-Institut fuer Polar- und Meeresforschung D-27515 Bremerhaven, Germany hgoerke@awi-bremerhaven.de -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Mon Feb 9 14:03:04 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id OAA29112 Message-Id: <199802092203.OAA29112@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 13:36:08 -0800 Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Kirk Fitzhugh Subject: Re: Nereis - nomenclature We seem to be missing the mark in these discussions on Hediste, Neanthes, & Nereis. If we are to assume that our use of names is to reflect the reality that surrounds us then we must provide reasons that substantiate our interpretations of reality. The only way to settle the matter of which genera to use is to present data showing each to be monophyletic, unless one wishes to claim monophyly an unnecessary consideration. Taking the latter position would be unfortunate since reality is no longer a concern - which takes the process outside the realm of science. Once one recognizes which nereidid genera are not monophyletic, there is a fairly clear sense of the revisionary work needed. I havn't seen even this first step taken yet. Kirk Fitzhugh ------------------------------------------ Kirk Fitzhugh, Ph.D. Associate Curator of Polychaetes Research & Collections Branch Los Angeles County Museum of Natural History 900 Exposition Blvd Los Angeles CA 90007 Phone: 213-763-3233 FAX: 213-746-2999 e-mail: fitzhugh@bcf.usc.edu ------------------------------------------ -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Mon Feb 9 16:55:17 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id QAA21580 Message-Id: <199802100055.QAA21580@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Wilson, Robin" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Subject: Re: Nereis - nomenclature Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:21:13 +1000 > We seem to be missing the mark in these discussions on Hediste, > Neanthes, & Nereis. ... > Once one recognizes which nereidid genera are not monophyletic, there > is a fairly clear sense of the revisionary work needed. I havn't seen > even this first step taken yet. > > Kirk Fitzhugh Kirk is right, the issue is monophyly of these generic combinations. But I am embarassed to have to admit (after remaining silent on this subject for a week!) that the first step HAS been taken, but only as an unpublished part of my PhD thesis. I have held back from publication because my cladistic analysis gave weak support for several of these genera and strongly indicated that some, like Neanthes s.s., are paraphyletic, or maybe even polyphyletic. I have been unwilling to propose new generic definitions until I had independent supporting data. But not many authors are so reticent with their taxonomies, and many have pushed me to get this out so that at least there is something more concrete to argue about, so I will have to get busy ... In the meantime, for practical purposes, it is more or less as Gesa Hartmann-Schroder (and Fauchald 1977!) said: Hediste are those taxa with paragnaths on oral and maxillary rings and fused neuropodial falcigers posteriorly; Nereis are those with notopodial homogomph falcigers; and "Neanthes" are the rest (!). But I must disagree with Gesa's comment on common characteristics. Similarities (character states) shared by these 3 taxa are also shared by several other nereidid genera, and it seems to me that these 3 are no more closely related than they are to several other valid genera. It is unimportant and arbitrary whether one refers to these combinations as genera or subgenera, but from my comments you will guess that I strongly favour elevating all subgenera to genus status. I am sorry I can not direct interested persons to a paper (yet). bye Robin Robin Wilson Museum of Victoria 71 Victoria Crescent Abbotsford 3067 Australia telephone (61) 3 9284 0216; fax (61) 3 9416 0475 rwilson@mov.vic.gov.au Polychaetes of Australia URL http://www.mov.vic.gov.au/poly -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Mon Feb 9 17:53:18 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id RAA26892 Message-Id: <199802100153.RAA26892@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 20:06:57 -0500 Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: judy A Fournier <110275.1004@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Nereis - nomenclature Dr. Hartmann-Schroeder's response is typical of the opinion of those who look at the keys and the literature but misses the point. A careful examination of the type specimens of these three genera will show that they differ significantly in the structure of the parapodia, particularly the presence and form of the pre-, post, and acicular lamellae found in Neanthes. These differences far outweigh the differences in setae and paragnaths. I agree with with Kirk that substantial revision of the Nereididae is overdue. We must take a long, careful look at these worms to determine their true relationships. Based on the structure of parapodial lamellae, Neanthes is quite removed from Nereis. Judith A. Fournier <110275.1004@compuserve.com> -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Tue Feb 10 12:40:59 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id MAA25199 Message-Id: <199802102040.MAA25199@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:15:28 -0800 Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Kirk Fitzhugh Subject: Re: Nereis - nomenclature I'm thrilled to hear that Robin Wilson has a cladistic analysis just waiting to be published. Robin, don't hold off on this. The whole point of publishing such an analysis is to get people thinking and talking about these issues. It should come as little surprise to many that Neanthes could be paraphyletic. Keep in mind as well that cladistic analyses don't carry with them the requirement that taxonomic revisions be performed. The analysis provides illumination for us all as to what problem areas need to be addressed regardless of whether one revises a group or not. For example, I have two papers coming out this year on cladistic relationships among fabriciin sabellid genera. Among the thousands of trees I looked at, there are many topologies with some major genera as para- or polyphyletic. I'm certainly not going to sink a whole bunch of genera right now from these analyses because I suspect much of the problem is the rapid increase in species discovered and the small number of characters I have. What I think is more important at this time is to make accessible the data that are available. Good luck Robin. Kirk Fitzhugh ------------------------------------------ Kirk Fitzhugh, Ph.D. Associate Curator of Polychaetes Research & Collections Branch Los Angeles County Museum of Natural History 900 Exposition Blvd Los Angeles CA 90007 Phone: 213-763-3233 FAX: 213-746-2999 e-mail: fitzhugh@bcf.usc.edu ------------------------------------------ -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Tue Feb 10 12:41:00 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id MAA25213 Message-Id: <199802102041.MAA25213@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Torleif Holthe Subject: Accents in "JELDES & LEFEVERE" Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 14:06:04 +0100 The paper by Jeldes & Lefevere (1959) with i.a. the description of Amphicteis pennata has been a tricky one to quote correctly. I've got a copy of the original paper where the authors' names are printed in capitals. Olga Hartman (appendix to the catalogue) used plain lower case, but I do wonder: should there be any accents in those names? Torleif Holthe Museum of Natural History and Archaeology NTNU Trondheim, Norway -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Tue Feb 10 13:48:08 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id NAA05402 Message-Id: <199802102148.NAA05402@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 16:17:36 -0500 Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Kristian Fauchald Subject: Re: Nereis - nomenclature -Reply I had not really planned to get involved in this debate: To a certain extent I made my opinion rather clear already in 1977 in the Key. However, I believe there are some important points that must be considered here. There are two distinct problems; one is strictly taxonomic and has to do with the names only; the other has to do with biology and the information content in the use of a given name. The Code lumps the "sub" categories with their respective main category: subspecies with species, subgenera with genera and subfamilies with families. It talks about them as species-level, generic-level and family-level taxa. The rules for each is then specified. Thus for taxonomic purposes it is simpler to avoid the use of the sub-categories and very little is gained by using them in a taxonomic sense, except making the names longer and more likely to be mis-spelled or mis-used. As pointed out by Geoff Read, the formulation Hediste (Nereis) is just awful and completely incorrect. It is not a new problem. I believe I have seen both in Blainville's and Grube's publication from early-mid last century. In an informative sense, we name monophyletic taxa; the use of a particular name, such as "Hediste" instead of "Neanthes" implies a hypothesis of monophyly (except of course in cases where a specific analysis has been done and monophyly demonstrated). In keys and overviews, we tend to use the simplest possible characters to use in identifications. Quite often simple presence/absence characters are to be preferred in a key, to a shape designation, since the latter frequently does not translate well into other languages etc. (I can vividly remember trying figure out what the shapes of the phyllodocid dorsal cirri was supposed to look like as a young student in Norway). However, as pointed out by Judy Fournier, there is a lot more to the differences of shapes than those used in keys; the parapodial structures are really very different and can be well characterized and may well turn out to be the kinds of apomorphies we end up using for demonstrating the monophyly of these clades. The process of demonstrating monophyly, once done, may make it possible for us to feel certain that the simple characters we have been using have validity (or not, depending on the analysis of course). The nereidids are biologically often very similar as pointed out by Dr. Goerke, who knows more about these worms than anybody else I know about. However, such generalizations may or may not be supported by an analysis of relationships. I hope that this will turn out to be the case, because at that time, the more inclusive clades than the species may turn out to be supported not only by morphological characteristics but also by characterizable biological/ecological characteristics, surely as inheritable as the morphological ones. I hope somebody will do the analysis we need, and we need it badly, since the nereidids are such favorite subjects for experiments and so forth. Kristian Fauchald -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Tue Feb 10 16:59:17 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id QAA29554 Message-Id: <199802110059.QAA29554@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Chris Glasby" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Organization: NIWA Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 13:36:24 +12 Subject: Re: Nereis - nomenclature I was a bit slow off the mark this morning, and Kristian put it better than I could have any way! ..... .... I agree with all of the recent contributions to this thread, but there appears to be a wider issue here that has been missed (except by Kristian). Robin Wilson says > Similarities (character states) shared by these 3 taxa are also > shared by several other nereidid genera, and it seems to me that > these 3 are no more closely related than they are to several other > valid genera. OK so it looks as though Nereis s.s., Neanthes s.s. and Hediste may not be each others closest relatives, and therefore that the placement of all three as subgenera under Nereis may not reflect reality (to borrow Kirk's term). Not to mention that Neanthes s.s. is probably not monophyletic. I suspect that this scenario may be true of many polychaete subgenera and of relationships between subgenera under their parent genus. So why do we continue to recognise (and use) the subgeneric category if their monophyly and relationships to one another have not been substantiated by a cladistic analysis? Robin goes on to say... > It is unimportant and arbitrary whether one refers to these > combinations as genera or subgenera .... and Geoff ... > Biologists can use them [generic and subgeneric names] at the level > they wish without fear of censure either way. It's not important. But, as is evident in the early messages in this thread, the fact that there is this choice appears to be causing confusion out there among biologists, conservation managers etc. The differences between say, Nereis diversicolor, Nereis (Hediste) diversicolor and the incorrectly formed, Hediste (Nereis) diversicolor, appear to be too subtle for the non-taxonomist, and causing problems. So shouldn't we just dump the subgeneric rank altogether? The pink book pretty much took this approach I believe, and hopefully the revised version in the pipeline will too. One less Linnean category is not going to make a big difference. Sure there will be some species-rich genera as a result (eg. Nereis), but in these days of computers (and not having to rely so much on memory), it makes little difference! Chris Dr Chris Glasby National Institute for Water & Atmospheric Research PO Box 14-901, Kilbirnie Wellington, New Zealand email: c.glasby@niwa.cri.nz phone: 64-4-386 0352; fax: 64-4-386 2153 -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Tue Feb 10 18:24:00 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id SAA08341 Message-Id: <199802110224.SAA08341@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:01:00 -0800 Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Kirk Fitzhugh Subject: Re: Nereis - nomenclature I agree with Kristian's and Chris' opinions on subgenera. My personal take on the more traditional use of subgenera stems from the desire to reflect grade groups, ancestor-descendant relationships, levels of divergence, etc., back when these were (and unfortunately still are) fashionable. The problem has been compounded by the notion that some characters deserve greater recognition than others. As we're seeing, unless we're very clear about our intentions, both nomenclaturally and systematically, there's the chance to introduce more confusion for many, as noted by Chris. There may be times that subgenera are needed, but this can only be determined when the cladograms are available or monophyly is known. If formal classifications are intended to reflect what we observe, then taxonomic ranks serve to denote monophyletic groups, not vice versa. I have no problem with the use of subgenus - but polychaete systematists must make clear their intent to use such a rank with monophyly in mind. Kirk ------------------------------------------ Kirk Fitzhugh, Ph.D. Associate Curator of Polychaetes Research & Collections Branch Los Angeles County Museum of Natural History 900 Exposition Blvd Los Angeles CA 90007 Phone: 213-763-3233 FAX: 213-746-2999 e-mail: fitzhugh@bcf.usc.edu ------------------------------------------ -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Wed Feb 11 02:24:58 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id CAA25782 Message-Id: <199802111024.CAA25782@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Helmut Zibrowius" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 08:57:37 MST Subject: Polychaeta in a coral paper Cairns S.D., Zibrowius H., 1997. Cnidaria Anthozoa: azooxanthellate Scleractinia from the Philippine and Indonesian regions. In: Crosnier A., Bouchet P. (ed.), Resultats des campagnes MUSORSTOM, volume 16. Memoires du Museum national d'histoire naturelle, 172: 27-243. This contains a chapter mentioning polychaetes in symbiosis with corals. Here the text of this chapter (p. 58-59): ------------ Commensal relationships Several types of specialized coral symbionts (other than simple epibionts) have been found associated with various members of the species- rich fauna of the Philippines and Indonesia studied here. Lumbrinerid polychaete eroding the coral skeleton. This association has been described in detail by ZIBROWIUS et al. (1975) on the basis of material from the northeastern Atlantic and the southwestern Indian Ocean (South Africa), with additional records from Madagascar, the China Sea and Japan. The coral skeleton eroding polychaete Lumbrineris flabelliocola (Fage, 1936) inhabits a soft tube exteriorly attached to the host and causes a superficial to deep erosion of the coral skeleton. The worm itself is easily lost by the mechanical constraints of dredging and the subsequent manipulations, but frequently empty tube fragments remain attached to the coral, or a corrosion trace can be detected on the coral even after the worm and and the tube have disappeared. This association occurs in the Philippines and in Indonesia. Worms obtained during cruise MUSORSTOM 2 in the Philippines have been compared by T. MIURA with Lumbrineis flabellicola from the NE Atlantic and Japan and have been found to be the same species (L. flabellicola) in these widely distant areas (T. MIURA, in litt., 1989). The following species have been found to be the coral partner of this association, specimens still bearing the worm (WO), or still having empty tubes fragments attached (ET), or showing only a characteristic erosion trace left over (TR): - Caryophyllia (C.) transversalis: DEKI stn 32 (WO). - Caryophyllia (C.) grayi: MUSORSTOM-2 stn 29 (ET); MUSORSTOM-3 stn 131 (ET, TR). - Caryophyllia (A.) spinigera: MUSORSTOM-2 stn 63 (WO). - Caryophyllia (A.) spinicarens: "Albatross" stn 5256 (ET), stn 5418 (TR), stn 5535 (ET), stn 5536 (TR), stn 5538 (TR); MUSORSTOM-1 stn 20 (TR?); MUSORSTOM-2 stn 63 (ET). - Conotrochus brunneus: MUSORSTOM-3 stn 92 (ET, TR). - Flabellum (F.) patens: KARUBAR stn 31 (TR). - Flabellum (F.) lamellulosum: MUSORSTOM 1 stn 27 (TR?), stn 31 (TR); MUSORSTOM-2 stn 63 (ET); MUSORSTOM-3 stn 86 (WO), stn 92 (WO, TR). - Flabellum (F.) sp.: MUSORSTOM 3 stn. 133 (ET). - Rhizotrochus typus: MUSORSTOM-3 stn 131 (ET). - Balanophyllia sp.: MUSORSTOM-2 stn 33 (WO). - Dendrophylliidae, colonial: MUSORSTOM 2 stn 33 (WO). Eunicid polychaete causing deformation of the coral colony. Some colonies of Madrepora oculata from Indonesia ("Albatross" stn 5645; KARUBAR stn 56) show deformations similar to those found in colonies of Madrepora oculata, Lophelia pertusa, and Solenosmilia variabilis from the northeastern Atlantic, in which the parchment-like tube of Eunice norvegica (Linnaeus, 1767) is overgrown by the coral coenosteum and incorporated into thecolony (Zibrowius, 1980). We have no information whether the deformations of Indonesian M. oculata is caused by the same Eunice species. Similar deformations characterize all colonies of Madrepora arbuscula and of Madrepora minutiseptum studied here. Even though no overgrown soft tube has been formally identified in this material and no worm been extracted, it is presumed that the causing organism is an eunicid polychaete. Overgrown parchment-like Eunice tubes have also been found in some colonies of Neohelia cf. porcellana. Acrothoracic cirriped crustacean boring the coral skeleton. Acrothoracic cirripeds may bore the skeleton of live corals and when penetrating through the wall cause the polyp to deposit additional wall material that is intended to seal off the borer. The orifice of the burrow may migrate upward along the growing coral (GRYGIER & NEWMAN, 1985). Orifice motility is particularly marked in a specimen of Javania lamprotichum (MUSORSTOM-2 stn 53) bored by 4 large acrothoracids. Other species bored alive are Tethocyathus virgatus (MUSORSTOM-3 stn 108), Balanophyllia crassiseptum (KARUBAR stn 50) and Balanophyllia sp. (MUSORSTOM-1 stn. 61; MUSORSTOM-2 stn 32; MUSORSTOM-3 stn 131). Ascothoracid crustacean inducing a skeleton gall. The most common aspect of this association has been described in detail by ZIBROWIUS & GRYGIER (1985) who already reported some examples the Philippines and Indonesia: "internal galls" are recognizable as a spongy proliferation of the columella that covers the underlying cavity occupied by the parasite. The list from the Philippines and Indonesia now includes Deltocyathoides orientalis ("Albatross" stn 5178, 5313, 5314, 5315, 5317, 5403, 5569); Flabellum (F.) lamellulosum (MUSORSTOM-2 stn 83); Balanophyllia carinata (Siboga stn 240), Balanophyllia sp. (MUSORSTOM-2 stn 34); Balanophyllia sp. (MUSORSTOM-3 stn 131); Dendrophyllia sp. cf. D. ijimai(MUSORSTOM-2 stn 33). A newly recognized expression (GRYGIER & CAIRNS, 1996) of ascothoracidan gall induction are abnormal hypertrophied corallites in Madrepora oculata ("Albatross" stn 5529; DEKI stn 50; "Hakuho Maru" stn KH-73-2-44-2; KARUBAR stn. 9, 13, 19, 77). Cryptochirid crab inhabiting a crypt in the coral skeleton. Cryptochirid (formerly hapalocarcinid) crabs are obligate symbionts of scleractinians. The crypts (or in some cases cage-like galls) they inhabit are due to dissolution of the coral skeleton and to induced modified coral growth (ZIBROWIUS, 1982; ZIBROWIUS & GILI, 1990). Previous to these authors cryptochirids had always been considered as typical of the reef fauna, but new deep-water species continue to be discovered. Zibrovia galea Kropp & Manning, 1995, has thus been found on Phyllangia papuensis from the Philippines (MUSORSTOM-2 stn 47) and from Madagascar. ---------------------------------------------------- Helmut ZIBROWIUS (Centre d'Oceanologie de Marseille) Station Marine d'Endoume Rue Batterie des Lions 13007 Marseille / France E-MAIL: hzibrowi@com.univ-mrs.fr TEL: within France 0491041624 from abroad +33 491041624 FAX: within France 0491041635 from abroad +33 491041635 --------------------------------------------------------- -- ANNELIDA Discuss = annelida@net.bio.net = talk to all members Server = biosci-server@net.bio.net = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Thu Feb 12 12:49:48 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id MAA20651 Message-Id: <199802122049.MAA20651@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 02:00:04 -0800 Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: BIOSCI Administrator Subject: BIOSCI/bionet miniFAQ & Fundraiser (LAST REVISION: 30-JUL-95) This BIOSCI "miniFAQ" is designed to answer the questions that come up the *most frequently*. 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Because of our limited personnel resources, we ask that you resubmit a *complete* form to revise your entry; we only replace complete entries and do not have resources to edit old forms. -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Fri Feb 13 10:08:38 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id KAA15587 Message-Id: <199802131808.KAA15587@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Salma Hassen Shalla Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Subject: Serpula vermicularis Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:41:00 +0000 (GMT) I have been researching the ecology of reefs formed by the serpulid Serpula vermicularis in the British Isles. I have found some good surveys, descriptions and ecological information on the reefs themselves, but surprisingly little on very basic questions such as: How long do individual worms live, what is their growth rate, how long do reefs take to build up etc. Also are there records of extensive reefs formed by this species elsewhere? It has been suggested they may occur in the Mediterranean but I can find nothing definitive on this. Any help would be very much appreciated. Salma Shalla ---------------------- mb0s4005@liverpool.ac.uk -- ANNELIDA Discuss = annelida@net.bio.net = talk to all members Server = biosci-server@net.bio.net = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Fri Feb 13 10:08:36 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id KAA15578 Message-Id: <199802131808.KAA15578@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:53:21 +0100 Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Harry A. ten Hove" Subject: Re: Ficopomatus biology & ecology >I am looking for any references (Biology and ecological preferences) on >the Serpulidae polychaete : Ficopomatus enigmaticus (Fauvel 1923) (syn. >Mercierella enigmaticus) > >Could somebody help me on that species? >Jacques GRALL I pasted below my letter: To: MCCANN@SERC.SI.EDU From: hove@bio.uva.nl (Harry A. ten Hove) Subject: RE: Fico.enigmaticus Dear Linda, >So Ficopomatus is found in salinities ranging from brackish to 55 '%'? >That's quite a broad salinity tolerance! Yes indeed. >Jim Carlton and I are interested in writing a paper synthesizing all of >the work on the genus. We are particularily interested in the zoogeography >of the Ficopmatus enigmaticus, and in tracking down it's actual area of >origin. Would this overlap with what you are doing too much? Any thoughts, >papers we might look at? We are quite taken with this worm. If people are enthusiastic about a subject, one should stimulate them rather than discourage. Nevertheless, I have to utter a word of caution. About 20 years ago a student of mine tried to synthesize the then known papers on Ficopomatus (at that time still Mercierella), but gave up after about 2 months, although I had almost all papers at hand (it thus was not the practical problem of obtaining articles from relatively unknown Russian or Spanish journals). Since that time the problem has simplified to a certain degree, ten Hove & Weerdenburg at least sorted out the taxonomic mess and made clear that F.enigmaticus is not likely to occur in tropical waters. Nevertheless, (few) new papers have appeared reporting F.enigmaticus from these unlikely habitats, so there still is some confusion to be sorted out when compiling data. All together my files now contain 350 papers mentioning F.enigmaticus (the previous estimate of 250 was a typing error discovered thanks to the fact that you were asking questions). The last distributional map of Ficopomatus to my knowledge is: Hove, H.A. Ten, 1979a.- Tube worm. Yearb.Sci.Techn., McGraw-Hill, 1979: 400-402, 3 figs. A thesis you should try to obtain if pushing on with Ficopomatus is David Dixon's thesis, partly published in his two later papers: Dixon, D.R., 1977.- The energetics of Mercierella enigmatica Fauvel. Thesis, Univ.of London, 494 pp., 89 figs., 41 tabs. [mimeogr.] Dixon, D.R., 1980.- The energetics of tube production by Mercierella enigmatica (Polychaeta: Serpulidae). J.mar.biol.Ass.UK 60: 655-659, 2 figs. Dixon, D.R., 1981.- Reproductive biology of the serpulid Ficopomatus (Mercierella) enigmatica in the Thames estuary, S.E.England. J.mar.biol.Ass.UK 61: 805-815, 6 figs. A must too is: Vuillemin, S., 1965.- Contribution a l'etude ecologique du lac de Tunis. Biologie de Mercierella enigmatica Fauvel. Thesis, Paris, A 4622 (5469), 554 pp., illustrated. The last known hypothesis on the origin of enigmaticus is: Zibrowius, H., 1992.- Ongoing modification of the Mediterranean marine fauna and flora by the establishment of exotic species. Mesogee 51: 83-107. Interestingly, and probably correctly he reaches exactly the opposite conclusion as vented by: Williams, R.J., & E.J. van der Wal & J. Story, 1986.- Draft inventory of introduced marine organisms. Austr.Mar.Sci.Bull.61: 12 If, after reading the above papers, you still want to go ahead, I might send you a copy of my handwritten systemcards, mentioning author and year only. I do not have the time to copy all 350 full references, unfortunately these are only partially on disc yet. Wormly, Harry Harry A. ten Hove Institute for Systematics and Population Biology Zoological Museum, University of Amsterdam POB 94766, 1090 GT AMSTERDAM TEL. 3120 5256906 FAX. 3120 5255402 -- ANNELIDA Discuss = annelida@net.bio.net = talk to all members Server = biosci-server@net.bio.net = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Fri Feb 13 10:08:35 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id KAA15572 Message-Id: <199802131808.KAA15572@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:55:23 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Debi Ingrao Subject: Americonuphis Where can I find I find taxonomic (and or any info ) on Americonuphis magna? Debra Ingrao Mote Marine Laboratory Phone: (941) 388-4441 EXT. 436 Benthic Ecology Program Fax: (941) 388-4312 1600 Thompson Parkway Sarasota, Fl 34236 e-mail: debi@marinelab.sarasota.fl.us -- ANNELIDA Discuss = annelida@net.bio.net = talk to all members Server = biosci-server@net.bio.net = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- du/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Sun Feb 15 13:04:43 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id NAA03352 Message-Id: <199802152104.NAA03352@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 11:25:44 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Rolf Bissell Parker Subject: Sorensen's Buffer recipe Hello Anneliders, I can find many articles that refer to Sorensen's Buffer, but not any current references that actually give the original source reference. What I actually need is a recipe for this buffer. Does anyone have this? Thanks, Rolf Parker ECO EVO DEPT UCAL IRVINE 714 824 5324 parkerr@uci.edu -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Sun Feb 15 17:17:36 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id RAA28555 Message-Id: <199802160117.RAA28555@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Geoff Read" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Organization: NIWA (Nat. Inst. Water & Atmos. Research) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:09:33 +1100 Subject: Re: Ficopomatus biology & ecology > The last known hypothesis on the origin of enigmaticus is: Zibrowius, H., > 1992.- Ongoing modification of the Mediterranean marine fauna and flora > by the establishment of exotic species. Mesogee 51: 83-107. Might we be told more? Not a widely available journal unfortunately. -- Geoff Read -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Mon Feb 16 02:19:44 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id CAA23306 Message-Id: <199802161019.CAA23306@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Helmut Zibrowius" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Mon, 16 Feb 98 10:45:26 MST Subject: speculations on F. enigmaticus origin >The last known hypothesis on the origin of enigmaticus is: Zibrowius, H., >1992.- Ongoing modification of the Mediterranean marine fauna and flora >by the establishment of exotic species. Mesogee 51: 83-107. Referring to H.A. ten Hove's above message Geoff Read (Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:09:33 +1100) asked: >Might we be told more? Not a widely available journal unfortunately. Here the extract concerning polychaetes in that alien species compilation: --------------------------------------- Polychaeta (general information) Based on literature that unfortunately comprised some particularly unreliable older publications, Por (1978) listed 9 species of polychaetes (including one species of Serpulidae) as high-probability, and 14 species (including one species of Serpulidae) as low-probability lessepsian migrants, and 20 species (including two species of Serpulidae) as antilessepsian migrants. A partial correction and updating was provided by Zibrowius (1983b); in particular, it was stated that considerably more serpulid species of Indo-Pacific origin had settled on the Levantine coasts. Por (1989, 1990) was able to refer to new data obtained by Ben-Eliahu (1989, 1991b) on Nereidae (6 species) and Serpulidae (see below), whereas data for other polychaete families remain problematical. Polychaeta Serpulidae and Spirorbidae The serpulids of Red Sea/Indo-Pacific origin presently known from the coasts of Israel and Lebanon are: Hydroides cf. brachyacantha Rioja, 1941; H. novaepommeraniae Augener, 1925 [= H. grubei Pillai, 1965]; H. heterocera (Grube, 1868); H. homocera Pixell, 1913; H. minax (Grube, 1878); H. operculata (Treadwell, 1929); Pomatoleios kraussii (Baird, 1865); Spirobranchus tetraceros (Schmarda, 1861) (see Laubier, 1966; Zibrowius and Bitar, 1981; Ben-Eliahu, 1988, 1989, 1991a; Ben-Eliahu and Hove, 1990, 1992). In addition to active dispersal by planktonic larvae, passive dispersal as ship fouling may have contributed to their present range. In fact, most of these species, together with Hydroides albiceps (Grube, 1870), and H. steinitzi Ben-Eliahu, 1972 (both of Red Sea/Indo-Pacific origin), have also been found among the fouling sampled at Toulon harbour from a ship arriving from the Indian Ocean via the Suez canal (Zibrowius, 1979). As for Pomatoleios kraussii, it is wide-spread in the Indo-Pacific (from Japan to South Africa) and also occurs in the Gulf of Guinea. This disjunct distribution may well be due to early dispersal by navigation (Zibrowius, 1983b). Comprising world-wide > 80 species and particularly specious in tropical seas, the genus Hydroides is predominant not only among lessepsian migrants, but also includes the three earliest alien serpulids in the Mediterranean (Zibrowius, 1971, 1973, 1978, 1983b; Zibrowius and Thorp, 1990). Hydroides dianthus (Verrill, 1873), H. dirampha Moerch, 1863, and H. elegans Haswell, 1883, have been collected together at Naples from harbour fouling as early as 1888, H. elegans being quantitatively dominant (an association currently observed in present harbour fouling throughout the Mediterranean). But two species can be traced back to an even earlier date: H. dianthus at Izmir (year of publication 1865) and at Trieste (year of collecting 1874); H. dirampha at Naples (year of publication 1870). All three species are now widely distributed in the Mediterranean in harbours and coastal lagoons. The distribution is disjunct, leaving out "natural" habitats of full marine salinity, except in areas immediately adjacent to harbours. Within this pattern, H. dirampha appears to be absent from the northernmost parts of the Mediterranean and to be more frequent in the south; its origin could be the tropical American Atlantic. H. elegans (frequently confused with the autochthonous northeastern Atlantic and Mediterranean H. norvegica Gunnerus, 1768) also appears to be of tropical/subtropical origin, but its native area is even less evident; being first described from Australia does not prove an Australian origin. H. dianthus appears native of the Atlantic coast of North America where it occurs in a variety of "natural" habitats. Possibly the arrival with ship fouling of the three Hydroides species in the Mediterranean considerably antedates their first records. Considerable fouling nuisances by H. elegans have been described by Parenzan (1965) and Paoletti and Sebastio (1973). Ficopomatus enigmaticus (Fauvel, 1923) probably was brought to Europe with ship fouling during the first world war. Dense brackish water populations were first noticed at London harbour and in a canal of northern France (Zibrowius and Thorp, 1990). A few years after its description F. enigmaticus invaded suitable biota in the Mediterranean where it is now wide-spread in coastal lagoons and estuaries. Its apparition in San Francisco Bay at the close of the first world war, as evidenced by local newspaper accounts (Carlton, 1975), was about contemporary with its apparition in Europe. Fauvel's hypothesis of an Indian/Indonesian origin, can be ruled out: other species of Ficopomatus, but not F. enigmaticus, exist in that area (Hove and Weerdenburg, 1978). The origin from a subtropical to temperate area, eventually southern Australia, appears more likely (Zibrowius, 1978, 1983b). The Spirorbidae Spirorbis marioni Caullery and Mesnil, 1897, and Pileolaria berkeleyana (Rioja, 1942) have originally been described from the eastern Pacific (Panama and Mexico). In 1979 both species were discovered on stones in a harbour at Marseille where they did not exist some years before. Investigations of harbours and adjacent areas motivated by this discovery and conducted for several years showed that the two alien species were differently distributed in the Mediterranean (Zibrowius and Bianchi, 1981; Zibrowius, 1983a, 1983b). P. berkeleyana was found limited to harbours in the Marseille area sensu lato (from the Gulf of Fos in the west to Les Lecques in the east) whereas S. marioni was already wide-spread, from Morocco through Spain and France to Italy (southern limit of explorations at Monte Argentario promontory), including Elba, Corsica and Sardinia. Both species frequently occur in dense populations. It was also found that S. marioni and P. berkeleyana had been present in the Marseille area, and S. marioni at Genova, as early as 1977. Both spirorbids are able to spread from harbour to harbour by ship navigation since many of the investigated harbours shelter mainly small sailing and motor boats that do not travel far. S. marioni appears to have better spreading abilities, but the previously studied coasts should be checked again in order to see whether P. berkeleyana has extended its area. In 1987 S. marioni has also been found in Izmir Bay and elsewhere on the Turkish coast of the Aegean Sea, always in harbour areas (Knight-Jones et al., 1991). It would be of interest to extend these investigations in view of alien spirorbids to other parts of the Mediterranean. ----------------------------------- Helmut ZIBROWIUS (Centre d'Oceanologie de Marseille) Station Marine d'Endoume Rue Batterie des Lions 13007 Marseille / France E-MAIL: hzibrowi@com.univ-mrs.fr TEL: within France 0491041624 from abroad +33 491041624 FAX: within France 0491041635 from abroad +33 491041635 --------------------------------------------------------- -- ANNELIDA Discuss = annelida@net.bio.net = talk to all members Server = biosci-server@net.bio.net = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Tue Feb 17 02:37:27 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id CAA16966 Message-Id: <199802171037.CAA16966@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:27:01 +0100 Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Harry A. ten Hove" Subject: Serpulid reefs, Filograna & S.vermicularis >Annelidians, > >I need information on reefbuilding Serpulidae, especially about Filograna >implexa and the fauna within the coloni. >How long do individual worms live, what is their growth >rate, how long do reefs take to build up etc. You might find some references in the following papers of which I unfortunately do not have reprints left. HOVE, H.A. TEN, 1979a.- Tube worm. Yearb. Sci. Techn., McGraw-Hill, 1979 : 400-402, 3 figs. HOVE, H.A. TEN, 1979b.- Different causes of mass occurrence in serpulids. p.282-298 in: G. LARWOOD & B.R. ROSEN (eds), 1979.- Biology and systematics of colonial organisms. Syst. Ass. Spec. Vol.11, xxxv + 589 pp., illustr. HOVE, H.A. TEN, & P. VAN DEN HURK, 1993.- A review of Recent and fossil serpulid "reefs"; actuopaleontology and the 'Upper Malm' serpulid limestones in NW Germany. Geol. Mijnbouw, 72: 23-67, 12 figs., 5 tabs. wormly Harry A. ten Hove Institute for Systematics and Population Biology Zoological Museum, University of Amsterdam POB 94766, 1090 GT AMSTERDAM TEL. 3120 5256906 FAX. 3120 5255402 -- ANNELIDA Discuss = annelida@net.bio.net = talk to all members Server = biosci-server@net.bio.net = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Wed Feb 18 21:19:29 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id VAA11618 Message-Id: <199802190519.VAA11618@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:14:03 -0500 Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Dr. Andrew G. McArthur" Subject: Invertebrate Molecular Systematics RESEARCHER IN INVERTEBRATE MOLECULAR SYSTEMATICS SEEKING POSTDOCTORAL RESEARCH POSITION EDUCATION: PhD 1996, University of Victoria, Canada Postdoctoral Fellowship 1997, Laboratory of Molecular Systematics, National Museum of Natural History, Smithsonian Institution SKILLS: Invertebrate Zoology, Molecular Systematics, Use of Formalin Preserved Museum Specimens, Maximum Likelihood Approaches, Systematics of the Gastropoda, Deep-Sea Biogeography CURRICULUM VITAE AND OTHER INFORMATION: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/8431/Vitae.html CANADA OR THE UNITED STATES ONLY CONTACT: Dr. Andrew G. McArthur (mcarthur@onyx.si.edu) Effective February-March, 1998: ------------------------------------------------------------ Dr. Andrew G. McArthur, Guest Investigator, Biology Department, Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, U.S.A., Ph. (301) 238-3444 Ext. 112, Fax (508) 457-2134, Email: mcarthur@onyx.si.edu, http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/8431/ ** Do not send unsolicted mail - please request current mailing address. -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Thu Feb 19 13:19:29 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id NAA08010 Message-Id: <199802192119.NAA08010@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 07:45:49 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Marine Biology Laboratory Subject: Re: Sorensen's Buffer recipe Greetings: A recipe for the phosphate buffer is in Humanson's, "Animal Tissue Techniques" Fourth edition, page 556. Bye for now, Tom Parker mblcsdla@netcom.com On Sun, 15 Feb 1998, Rolf Bissell Parker wrote: > I can find many articles that refer to Sorensen's Buffer, but not any > current references that actually give the original source reference. -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Thu Feb 19 18:52:06 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id SAA20238 Message-Id: <199802200252.SAA20238@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Geoff Read" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Organization: NIWA (Nat. Inst. Water & Atmos. Research) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:39:26 +1100 Subject: With similar rami Annelidans, I am looking at the characters in Rouse and Fauchald (1997) "Cladistics & polychaetes," one of two important papers that Kristian, Greg (and the Smithsonian) have most generously provided free copies of around the world & at vast expense. There is a lot to digest, but at present I need help on one small aspect. I do not understand the parapodial distinctions - 'with similar rami,' 'spioniform' (aha - we might know a priori who have those!), 'with projecting neuropodia.' In particular I am unclear how for example a nereid (grouped as 'projecting neuropodia') could not have 'similar rami.' Although Fauchald and Rouse claim (p105) that nereid notopodia are shorter 'in most taxa,' this is not my experience. So it is subjective (thus agreeing with F&R on p81), and in any case not something that is so clear-cut as to be of fundamental significance. And one might also say that a spioniform has similar rami or that a spionid may, in other places, be without postsetal lobes and thus have tori (another parapodial classification) - unless one defines a torus as only having uncini - but that is dealt with under setae and would eliminate the example arenicolids (getting messy here). Given that they are short-hand for (I hope) much more complex decision-making than those simple titles imply, I am not sure that we are finally told enough to be convinced those groups are well-defined and mutually exclusive (they are permitted to overlap in the analysis, but have not been overlapped, I think, in the coding). Perhaps it does not matter in the overall context - & I look forward to the enlightenment from the list that will dispel my current faint discontent with the R&F parapodial classification. PS: I assume Capitellidae singled out as having _uncini_ (p88) is not true since this character is not listed in its family review or in the matrix? -- Geoff Read -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Sat Feb 21 13:14:43 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id NAA07473 Message-Id: <199802212114.NAA07473@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "sashka" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Subject: Spirorbid bibliography Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 18:01:49 +0300 Dear all, If you interest spirorbid's bibliography, you can find it on the Lena Kupriyanova's homepage http://rav.sio.rssi.ru/~lena/spir-lit.html (Spirorbidae bibliography) ; http://rav.sio.rssi.ru/~lena/ (Lena Kupriyanova's homepage). This bibliography is still under preparing, but I hope it may be useful for you. This is complete up to 95 % for recent and 40 % for fossil species. I will greatly appreciate for any additions and remarks. My e-mail sashka@com2com.ru, my ICQ # 7715265 Alexander Rzhavsky -- ANNELIDA Discuss = annelida@net.bio.net = talk to all members Server = biosci-server@net.bio.net = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Mon Feb 23 02:21:11 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id CAA02843 Message-Id: <199802231021.CAA02843@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 10:01:07 +1100 Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Greg Rouse Subject: Re: With similar rami Dear Geoff et al., Please feel free to inform me or Kristian of any other discrepancies and errors in F&R (1997) and R&F (1997); revisions are of course inevitable. Regarding your posting: "Perhaps it does not matter in the overall context - & I look forward to the enlightenment from the list that will dispel my current faint discontent with the R&F parapodial classification." (snip) Consultation of the Appendix in Rouse and Fauchald (1997: 194) will show you the following regarding the Nereididae: "44-55. Parapodial structures. Though often of equal size the results of Fitzhugh (1987) suggest that projecting neuropodia is the plesiomorphic condition in the family. Dorsal and ventral cirri are present." "PS: I assume Capitellidae singled out as having _uncini_ (p88) is not true since this character is not listed in its family review or in the matrix?" (snip) An error is an error so thanks for pointing it out and sorry for any confusion. But note the caveat in Rouse and Fauchald (1997: 141): "Appendix IV provides the basis for all the scoring in the matrices (Appendix II) and is to be taken as the primary source if there are any discrepancies with Fauchald & Rouse (1997)." greg Greg Rouse School of Biological Sciences A08 University of Sydney N.S.W. 2006 Australia Tel. (02) 9351 5571 Fax (02) 9351 4119 International: 61 2 replaces 02 -- ANNELIDA Discuss = annelida@net.bio.net = talk to all members Server = biosci-server@net.bio.net = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Mon Feb 23 22:10:01 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id WAA06352 Message-Id: <199802240610.WAA06352@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Geoff Read" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Organization: NIWA (Nat. Inst. Water & Atmos. Research) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:53:04 +1100 Subject: Re: With similar rami > results of Fitzhugh (1987) suggest that projecting neuropodia is the > plesiomorphic condition in the family [Nereididae]. It is interesting that A/P character 46 - projecting neuropodia, and character 47 - tori, seem to be unrewarding as they both display multiple transformations. Character 49 - spiomorph, however, appears solid. With 20/20 hindsight I think I would have preferred to see the comparison of noto/neuro dispensed with (In the Aciculata only Nephtyidae and Amphinomidae have 'similar rami' - but we know the parapodia of this pair are very different!). Rather it should be possible to characterize a notopodial ramus relative only to all other notopodial rami types, and a neuropodium likewise. My 2 cents, as they say. -- Geoff Read -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Tue Feb 24 17:36:31 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id RAA12349 Message-Id: <199802250136.RAA12349@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Geoff Read" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Organization: NIWA (Nat. Inst. Water & Atmos. Research) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:25:37 +1100 Subject: Re: Spirorbid bibliography > If you interest spirorbid's bibliography, you can find it on the Lena > Kupriyanova's homepage http://rav.sio.rssi.ru/~lena/spir-lit.html > (Spirorbidae bibliography) ; http://rav.sio.rssi.ru/~lena/ (Lena > Kupriyanova's homepage). The file is 137Kb at present. The _extreme_ slowness of this link may try the patience of some - go and have a cup of coffee - have two cups - but eventually it will arrive! However, if Alexander Rzhavsky gives me permission, I can put a 'mirror' copy on the USA-based biodiversity.uno.edu site as well. The same offer applies to anyone with a large bibliography, or dataset, or image, or document for circulation. -- Geoff Read -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Tue Feb 24 20:43:28 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id UAA04594 Message-Id: <199802250443.UAA04594@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Geoff Read" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Organization: NIWA (Nat. Inst. Water & Atmos. Research) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 17:32:46 +1100 Subject: The most eurythermal metazoan The most eurythermal metazoan? It is a polychaete. According to: Cary,SC; Shank,T; Stein,J (1998): Worms bask in extreme temperatures. Nature 391(6667), 545-546 (5 Feb issue. Scientific correspondence). In situ temperature records in tubes of Alvinella pompejana living on sides of hydrothermal vent chimneys show an average of 68 deg C, with spikes exceeding 81, whereas tube opening (on outside of chimney) temp is 22 deg C. This makes Alvinella the most thermotolerant and eurythermal metazoan known. (The authors also refer to Pierre Chevaldonne's & D. Desbruyeres' 1992 note in Nature.) -- Geoff Read -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Thu Feb 26 16:02:47 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id QAA10258 Message-Id: <199802270002.QAA10258@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Geoff Read" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Organization: NIWA (Nat. Inst. Water & Atmos. Research) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:26:43 +1100 Subject: Re: Spirorbid bibliography > However, if Alexander Rzhavsky gives me permission, I can put a > 'mirror' copy on the USA-based biodiversity.uno.edu site as well. He did. The link is from the page: http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/bib-list.html -- Geoff Read -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Thu Feb 26 16:33:14 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id QAA14118 Message-Id: <199802270033.QAA14118@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Geoff Read" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Organization: NIWA (Nat. Inst. Water & Atmos. Research) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:16:25 +1100 Subject: Re: With similar rami Geoff Read wrote: > It is interesting that ... Come on folks. This is supposedly an informal discussion group. Is there nothing in F&R, R&F that you would like to express a comment on or ask about? How depressing if true. That's not the case though ... is it? -- Geoff Read -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Fri Feb 27 13:55:43 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id NAA17261 Message-Id: <199802272155.NAA17261@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:11:43 -0100 Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Peter Wirtz Subject: Lygdamis Dear Colleagues, as you probably know, Dr. Dave Kirtley died a few months ago. At the time of his death, he was preparing a description of a new species of Lygdamis (Sabellariidae), which is quite common at Madeira. In a paper on Madeiran inverts and in my book on marine inverts of Madeira, the Canary Islands and the Azores, I have called this species L. murata (an identification confirmed by another polychaetologist prior to publication). Who is working on Lygdamis/ Sabellariidae and would be willing to describe this new species in a reasonable time (within no more than a year) ? I would be willing to dig out a few more, even though this can be several hours work under water. Peter Dr. Peter Wirtz currently at U of Azores, back at U of Madeira after 27 March and email then again biomar@dragoeiro.uma.pt -- ANNELIDA Discuss = annelida@net.bio.net = talk to all members Server = biosci-server@net.bio.net = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html --