From daemon Mon Mar 2 12:46:02 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id MAA12941 Message-Id: <199803022046.MAA12941@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 20:05:55 +0100 Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: arny@tmbl.gu.se (Arne Nygren) Subject: Potts: Indian Ocean Pt. 3? Dear annelidans, Does anyone know what happened to Potts' Polychaeta of the Indian Ocean Pt. 3, The Syllidae. In a footnote in Potts 1911 (Methods of reproduction in Syllidae) he mentiones that the full description of Trypanosyllis crosslandi and Autolytus maculata would appear there and that it was to be published in Trans. Linn. Soc. London during 1911. Was it never published and/or has anyone else published description of A. maculata, the species I am interested to know about? Many thanks in advance for any information, Arne Nygren =========================================================== HOMEADDRESS: Tegnergatan 40, L1 113 59 Stockholm, SWEDEN TELEPHONE: +46(0)8-765 58 17 during daytime ADDRESS: Zoo-tax Box 50007 10405 Stockholm, SWEDEN TELEPHONE: +46(0)8-666 41 35 FAX: +46(0)8-666 41 25 E-mail: arny@tmbl.gu.se ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Thu Mar 5 02:30:49 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id CAA11333 Message-Id: <199803051030.CAA11333@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Geoff Read" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 23:03:29 +0000 Subject: Re: Spirorbid bibliography Cyrillic characters in the bibliography: http://rav.sio.rssi.ru/~lena/spir-lit.html http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/bib-list.html English-language Win95 users can view the Russian fonts successfully by installing 'Multilanguage support.' (Don't ask. I have no idea how to do the same thing for other operating systems.) Go to 'Settings' in the Win95 start menu, open 'Control Panel' then 'Add/Remove programs,' then click on the 'Windows setup' tab and find 'Multilanguage support.' If the box is not already 'ticked' then tick the box and click on the 'OK' button. You will need your win95 CD-Rom disk. The fonts will be available once the computer is restarted. If the multilanguage support option is not there in the list (Win95 installed from floppy disks, not a CD) then go to http://www.eu.microsoft.com/typography/multilang/default.htm and download the necessary file. Expand it into an empty directory and follow the instructions in the 'readme' file. Once fonts are installed go to the spirorbid bibliography page, then in your browser 'options' menu change the document encoding to Cyrillic. Voila! -- Geoff Read -- ANNELIDA Discuss = annelida@net.bio.net = talk to all members Server = biosci-server@net.bio.net = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Thu Mar 5 12:57:19 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id MAA03292 Message-Id: <199803052057.MAA03292@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:10:08 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Marine Biology Laboratory Subject: Tharyx illustration Greetings Annelidans: While looking over the cladistics paper (1998) by Rouse and Fauchald, I noticed on page 142 (figure 4): the illustration for Tharyx monilaris (currently placed in Aphelochaeta) might actually be a redrawn posterior end. I've looked at the illustrations original publication and wonder if anyone might have a comment or view about these drawings. Bye for now, Thomas Parker mblcsdla@netcom.com -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Thu Mar 5 16:13:37 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id QAA27768 Message-Id: <199803060013.QAA27768@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:47:10 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Leslie H. Harris" Subject: Re: Tharyx illustration Tom - Have you forgotten the existence of the Allan Hancock Foundation Polychaete Collection, just a few miles away from you? All of the R/V VELERO or Hancock material cited in Hartman's publications is housed here. Tharyx monilaris Hartman 1960, LACM-AHF V.5586, is an anterior fragment, approximately 47 setigers, broken into two pieces. There is no posterior section. The paired palpi and nearly all of the branchial filaments are now missing. Despite the loss of appendages, it is clearly the same animal illustrated in Hartman 1960, pl. 12, fig. 2, and in Rouse & Fauchald 1998, fig. 4. Cheers, Leslie Leslie H. Harris Collection Manager, LACM-Allan Hancock Foundation Polychaete Collection tel: 213) 763-3234 Los Angeles County Museum of Natural History fax: 213) 746-2999 900 Exposition Boulevard email: lhharris@bcf.usc.edu Los Angeles, California 90007 U.S.A. -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Fri Mar 6 13:05:41 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id NAA12528 Message-Id: <199803062105.NAA12528@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Petersen, Mary Elizabeth" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Subject: FW: Tharyx illustration Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:54:00 +0100 Friday, 6 March 1998 Dear Tom and others, I have examined the type material of Tharyx monilaris Hartman, 1960 and can confirm that the figure of this in Rouse & Fauchald (see Leslie's note below) is correct. It is also true that the posterior end (of the holotype) is expanded, but this is a common feature of many species of Aphelochaeta Blake, 1991, for which T. monilaris is the type species by original designation. A complete specimen is figured by Hartman 1960: pl. 12, fig. 1, and is reproduced in Jim Blake's 1996 treatment of the species in the Santa Barbara Atlas series (vol. 6, p. 334). The abrupt change between thorax and abdomen is also correctly shown and has been seen on at least one, presently unidentified, European species. Best wishes, Mary ------- Mary E. Petersen Zoological Museum, University of Copenhagen mepetersen@zmuc.ku.dk ---------- >From: Leslie H. Harris >Subject: Re: Tharyx illustration >Date: Thursday, March 5, 1998 11:47PM >Tom - > Have you forgotten the existence of the Allan Hancock Foundation >Polychaete Collection, just a few miles away from you? All of the R/V >VELERO or Hancock material cited in Hartman's publications is housed >here. >Tharyx monilaris Hartman 1960, LACM-AHF V.5586, is an anterior fragment, >approximately 47 setigers, broken into two pieces. There is no posterior >section. The paired palpi and nearly all of the branchial filaments are >now missing. Despite the loss of appendages, it is clearly the same >animal illustrated in Hartman 1960, pl. 12, fig. 2, and in Rouse & >Fauchald 1998, fig. 4. -- ANNELIDA Discuss = annelida@net.bio.net = talk to all members Server = biosci-server@net.bio.net = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- description for the thoracic count is wrong! Since you say the anterior appendages are all currently missing from this specimen---is it possible that it is actually a posterior end? There is some discrepancy between the illustrations and the text description...just trying to figure out some resolution. And the answer to the first question in your posting is: No. bye for now, Thomas Parker mblcsdla@netcom.com On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, Leslie H. Harris wrote: > Tom - > Have you forgotten the existence of the Allan Hancock Foundation > Polychaete Collection, just a few miles away from you? All of the R/V > VELERO or Hancock material cited in Hartman's publications is housed here. > > Tharyx monilaris Hartman 1960, LACM-AHF V.5586, is an anterior fragment, > approximately 47 setigers, broken into two pieces. There is no posterior > section. The paired palpi and nearly all of the branchial filaments are > now missing. Despite the loss of appendages, it is clearly the same animal > illustrated in Hartman 1960, pl. 12, fig. 2, and in Rouse & Fauchald 1998, > fig. 4. -- ANNELIDA Discuss = annelida@net.bio.net = talk to all members Server = biosci-server@net.bio.net = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Sat Mar 7 12:37:31 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id MAA10427 Message-Id: <199803072037.MAA10427@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 10:42:59 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: jablake@ix.netcom.com (JAMES A. BLAKE) Subject: Re: Tharyx illustration and names Dear Annelid workers, I would like to add a reality check to the current discussion of the "Tharyx monilaris" (should be Aphelochaeta) illustration that has just appeared in Rouse and Fauchald. First, the original description by Hartman (1960: AHPE, vol. 22:127) from material off southern California lists material from two stations: (1) Sta. 4723 off Newport Beach in 128 fms in silt. The second location is Sta. 5586 from off Santa Barbara in 37 fms in green clay. The type is selected from Sta. 4723 and is illustrated in Plate 12, fig. 1. Figure 2 from the same plate is the illustration reproduced by Rouse and Fauchald and is from Sta. 5586. Therefore, the illustration under discussion is not the type specimen designated by Hartman and Tom Parker may be correct in suggesting that it differs from the description of A. monilaris. It is not possible that both illustrations refer to the same specimen because the figure legends clearly indicate they are from different samples. The suggestion that Anker Petersen would have added palps to a posterior end is preposterous. Although good illustrators will embellish their illustrations (Mr. Petersen certainly did and I do it myself), I am quite confident that Mr. Petersen would not have taken such liberties as adding critical structures where they did not exist. It is more than likely that there is another species involved. In addition to the 20 new taxa reported in my 1996 Atlas cirratulid chapter, I can tell everyone categorically that there are many more out there, especially in the genus Aphelochaeta. This issue however, raises something that puzzles me. Why in a major monograph on systematics and phylogeny where so much effort has been expended to define characters and to develop an excellent database has there been no effort to update the obsolete names used on some of the illustrations? The use of Tharyx instead of Aphelochaeta is but one example of several. Greg and Kristian have certainly given us a lot to stew about and I suspect that the silence Geoff has noted will soon end. Sincerely, Jim Blake (jablake@ix.netcom.com) -- ANNELIDA Discuss = annelida@net.bio.net = talk to all members Server = biosci-server@net.bio.net = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Sun Mar 8 12:58:39 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id MAA20310 Message-Id: <199803082058.MAA20310@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 02:24:29 -0500 Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Martin Laurie Subject: First Year Biology Research Project: Earthworm Parasites Must do a four week controlled laboratory experiment involving - I believe - identifying parasites in earthworms. Have not been given direction beyond that - project file booked out from library not yet returned by unknown. Supposed to have already formulated a hypothesis to test. Don't know what kind of controlled experiment can be dreamed up with scant information provided and we're told we are responsible for everything (i.e. equipment needs, procedure, etc.). Thought of cutting up worms from various sources (e.g. riverbank, garden, golf-course, etc.) to look for unknown parasites for identification, however, this would be correlational and not the right kind of experiment. Hoping someone could suggest possible hypotheses about earthworms and parasites that could be tested and what would be the control. Also looking for reference suggestions such as articles on relevant research. Yours sincerely, Catherine Peare via -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Sun Mar 8 20:40:01 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id UAA15290 Message-Id: <199803090440.UAA15290@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 15:20:39 +1100 Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Greg Rouse Subject: Re: Tharyx illustration and names Dear Jim et al., Jim has a point in that there are 'incorrect' names on some of the illustrations. However, I see this as largely irrelevant. Taxonomy is a subdiscipline of systematics. The main issue of the names of the taxa in Rouse and Fauchald is that as long as the illustrations refer to the correct terminal (in this case family) then its OK. Of course to have used the 'correct' names would in a sense be more accurate but this would have left people with no idea of where these 'new' names had come from. This is the case for several figure legends that were 'corrected'. To have introduced the sources would have expanded what some may feel is an already bloated effort. The names used for the Figure legends largely represent what was in the original figures and people will just have to track down subsequent revision of names. This was something I basically didn't see the point of doing. I would suggest the publication of full taxonomic reviews of polychaete taxa is what is really at the heart of Jim's comment. This of course has nothing to do with Rouse and Fauchald 1997. greg Greg Rouse School of Biological Sciences A08 University of Sydney N.S.W. 2006 Australia Tel. (02) 9351 5571 Fax (02) 9351 4119 International: 61 2 replaces 02 -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Mon Mar 9 11:57:44 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id LAA04003 Message-Id: <199803091957.LAA04003@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:04:52 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Marine Biology Laboratory Subject: Re: Tharyx illustration and names Greetings Annelidans: I hope I wasn't misunderstood--I was not trying to besmirch the rightful reputation of Anker Petersen as a talented illustrator...just speculating on the possible reasons why figures 1 & 2 for T. monilaris did not match each other or the text description. I thought it was highly suggestive that the pre-pygidial count of one illustration just happened to match the thoracic count of only the second illustration. Since Leslie says the specimen held by AHF (5586) is a match for the figure # 2 illustration (except for loss of anterior appendages !); I thus assume this material does not match either the text description for T. monilaris, the actual holotype held by AHF for monilaris, or the illustration in figure # 1. So this would mean we have an Aphelochaeta monilaris (with 15 crowded thoracic setigers) and a yet undescribed (?Aphelochaeta) species with 10 crowded thoracic setigers---which through some unclear method (between Hartman's inspection and AHF's printing) got printed on plate # 12 as supporting material for the holotype. Quite possibly it is preposterous these two illustrations are the same species. bye for now, Tom Parker mblcsdla@netcom.com On Sat, 7 Mar 1998, JAMES A. BLAKE wrote: > Dear Annelid workers, > > I would like to add a reality check to the current discussion of the > "Tharyx monilaris" (should be Aphelochaeta) illustration that has just > appeared in Rouse and Fauchald. > > First, the original description by Hartman (1960: AHPE, vol. 22:127) from > material off southern California lists material from two stations: (1) > Sta. 4723 off Newport Beach in 128 fms in silt. The second location is > Sta. 5586 from off Santa Barbara in 37 fms in green clay. The type is > selected from Sta. 4723 and is illustrated in Plate 12, fig. 1. Figure 2 > from the same plate is the illustration reproduced by Rouse and Fauchald > and is from Sta. 5586. Therefore, the illustration under discussion is > not the type specimen designated by Hartman and Tom Parker may be correct > in suggesting that it differs from the description of A. monilaris. It > is not possible that both illustrations refer to the same specimen > because the figure legends clearly indicate they are from different > samples. The suggestion that Anker Petersen would have added palps to a > posterior end is preposterous. Although good illustrators will embellish > their illustrations (Mr. Petersen certainly did and I do it myself), I am > quite confident that Mr. Petersen would not have taken such liberties as > adding critical structures where they did not exist. It is more than > likely that there is another species involved. In addition to the 20 new > taxa reported in my 1996 Atlas cirratulid chapter, I can tell everyone > categorically that there are many more out there, especially in the genus > Aphelochaeta. -- ANNELIDA Discuss = annelida@net.bio.net = talk to all members Server = biosci-server@net.bio.net = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Mon Mar 9 14:06:18 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id OAA19532 Message-Id: <199803092206.OAA19532@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Petersen, Mary Elizabeth" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Subject: Re: Tharyx illustration and names Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 22:06:00 +0100 Monday, 9 March 1998 Dear Tom [and others?], I hate to spoil a popular misconception, but it is unrealistic to believe that cirratulids - and members of most other families - can be identified by counting segments. Yes, there are some where "the numbers game" works, e.g., most Ampharetidae (but even here there seem to be some that flunked math and have more than the decreed number of segments, and I do not consider them new species because of this), and lots more families where it does not, and to persist in attributing to these groups characters they do not possess does not make any of us any wiser. In cirratulids, the size of an expanded "thoracic" region usually varies with the size of the worm and perhaps also with state of sexual maturity - immature, approaching sexual maturity, fully mature, etc. Sometimes the variation is small, sometimes larger. Take any species you like and look at enough specimens and you will see that smaller worms have one appearance, larger ones usually a quite different one. Whether more than one species is involved should preferably not be decided from figures alone, as even if these are extremely accurate, there may be important information that is not shown. If I contributed to the misconception that some cirratulids can count with 100% accuracy by my comment that the abrupt change figured by Hartman 1960 was real, I apologize. There seem to be 1-3 segments that are transitional, but by comparison with many species where the transition is so gradual that it is hard to decide where it starts and stops, here it must be considered abrupt. Regarding heads and tails, I have yet to see anyone mistake a cirratulid tail for an anterior end; apart from what should be obvious differences between a prostomium + peristomium and a pygidium, there are rarely any branchiae and never any tentacles on the posterior end, and (on the anterior end) even when these are lost, the scars or tentaculophores persist so that the site from which they arise is visible. In Aphelochaeta, there are also marked differences in chaetal length in these two regions, with chaetae of anterior segments long, those of posterior ones very short. I know of no cirratulid posterior ends that could successfully imitate an anterior end. One other factor should be considered with Hartman's descriptions. She often described a huge number of worms from many different areas in a relatively short time. One can discuss whether it would have been preferable to have worked up less material and done it in more detail, but it seems like her approach to survey material, despite errors, has nonetheless probably been the most useful one in that we have more quickly become aware of the immense diversity present in the many areas in which she worked. It is simply not possible to get through so much material in so short a time without shortcuts, and the presence of several clearly distinct species in some of the larger samples of a species suggests that she did not [have time to] examine every specimen, but perhaps spot-checked samples sorted to species by nonspecialists. As long as one is aware of this, it's possible to keep certain reservations in mind when reviewing her material, but to start dissecting descriptions without having seen the material is not very useful. Anyone who has seen the material knows there are errors, but also that there is a lot more that is correct. Best regards, Mary -------- Mary E. Petersen Zoological Museum, University of Copenhagen mepetersen@zmuc.ku.dk -- ANNELIDA Discuss = annelida@net.bio.net = talk to all members Server = biosci-server@net.bio.net = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Tue Mar 10 13:07:22 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id NAA15054 Message-Id: <199803102107.NAA15054@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:41:24 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Leslie H. Harris" Subject: Re: Tharyx illustration I'd like to thank Mary Petersen for the valuable observations on cirratulid variability in her latest email. The most salient point was this: "...but to start dissecting descriptions without having seen the material is not very useful", and one that applies equally well to speculating about illustrations. Several questions have been raised about Tharyx (= Aphelochaeta) monilaris that can be best answered by looking at the types and other material identified by Hartman. Most of the information below comes from my own examination. Mary has been quite generous in sharing her comments on the holotype, as noted below. 1) Tom Parker suspects that "the illustration of Tharyx monilaris used by Rouse and Fauchald as a reprinting of Hartman's 1960 Plate 12 figure 2 is the posterior end of the neighboring illustration (Plate 12, figure 1)". His supposition is based on a) similarities of configuration, and b) Hartman 1969 (the Atlas) says T. monilaris has 15 crowded thoracic segments & 10 inflated pygidial segments, but the inflated thoracic region in fig. 2 has 10 setigers, which is the same number as in the inflated posterior region in fig. 1. He speculates that fig. 2 is a "draft illustration Anker Petersen drew of the posterior end of the figure 1 specimen; and he later added anterior palps and setae from the second specimen to the base illustration". Tom continues "Of course if the specimen you refer to in the AHF collection used for figure 2 actually has 10 crowded thoracic setigers, then the text description for the thoracic count is wrong! Since you say the anterior appendages are all currently missing from this specimen---is it possible that it is actually a posterior end?" As stated before, the specimen from fig. 2 (Velero st. 5886) exists. All of the appendages are missing, however the basalmost parts of the palps are still attached & quite obvious. I'm sorry I wasn't more explicit about that. The buccal opening is also obvious - and unlikely to be mistaken for the typical cirratulid pygidium. The figure has been embellished to a degree, but it is still an accurate presentation of the specimen. The only error is that the palps are drawn on the same level as the first notosetae, when they are clearly situated anterior to the first segment (correctly shown in fig. 1). Anker Petersen's inked plate is in the LACM-AHF collection: the palps & anterior setae are clearly original to the drawing. The specimen in fig. 2 does has 10 setigers in the crowded thoracic region, contrary to the 15 setigers stated in Hartman 1960 & 1969. This does not mean that Hartman's description is wrong, just that it is incomplete. As Mary points out, there is a certain amount of variability in the size of the expanded region. Jim Blake's description for A. monilaris (1996, Taxonomic Atlas, p. 333) states "...expanded thoracic region of 10-20 more or less crowded setigers...and an expanded posterior region of 10-15 segments)". The specimen in pl. 12, fig. 1 shows 15 setigers. The holotype has 12 setigers of equal length, the next 4 gradually lengthen while the width remains the same, after setiger 16 the segments continue to enlarge but the width decreases and by setiger 21 they are strongly moniliform. Mary observed that setiger 15 is 2x the length of one of the first 10 setigers (which are all of equal length), the 16th setiger is 2x the length of the 15th, and the middle (beadlike) segments are 1.5 to 2x the length of setiger 16. The paratype also has 12 setigers of equal length, 7 transitional setigers, and strongly moniliform segments from setiger 20. Additional material identified by Hartman as T. monilaris has from 9 to 15 setigers in the expanded thoracic region, 5 to 7 transitional segments, and 10 to 22 setigers in the expanded posterior end. The posterior end of the holotype is now missing, but Mary previously noted that the expanded region consisted of 16-17 short setigers, with a transition region of about 5 segments between these & the large moniliform ones. 2) Jim Blake has said that "The type is selected from Sta. 4723 and is illustrated in Plate 12, fig. 1. ...Therefore, the illustration under discussion is not the type specimen designated by Hartman and Tom Parker may be correct in suggesting that it differs from the description of A. monilaris. ...It is more than likely that there is another species involved." The specimen illustrated in fig. 1 is from the same station as the types, but is neither the holotype or the paratype. I have not been able to locate the specimen, unfortunately, but the differences in setiger counts for the expanded thoracic & posterior regions preclude it being a type. The median segments of the holotype, which is ovigerous, are strongly moniliform with deep constrictions between them, while those of the figured specimen are more cylindrical with shallow constrictions. As for the specimen in fig. 2, it is a valid A. monilaris, matching the types in prostomial & peristomial shape & proportions, origin of palps, median segment proportions, and staining pattern. The specimen has only 10 setigers in the expanded thoracic region, but that is within the range shown by supplemental material and matches the number in Jim's own illustration of A. monilaris (Blake 1996, fig. 8.28). Jim is correct to point out that more than one species may be involved, although this is not reflected in Hartman's species description. Hartman (1960, p. 127) mentions that specimens come from Santa Catalina, Tanner and questionably San Nicolas & Long Basins, and that it is generally distributed in shelf, slope & basin sediments. Three of the four cited basin samples (depths of 1292 to 1961 m) were found & examined: none of them were A. monilaris. A cursory examination was done of twenty-five lots identified by Hartman from shelf & slope depths. The majority of lots held several different species of Aphelochaeta & other cirratulids; there were only a few specimens of A. monilaris. Mary was right when she remarked that Hartman worked very quickly and did not throughly examine all specimens. Tom, I hope this answers all your questions. No doubt it would have been simpler if you had just come over to LACM for an hour or two or asked to borrow the specimens, but not as much fun for the rest of us. :-) Cheers, L. Leslie H. Harris Collection Manager, LACM-Allan Hancock Foundation Polychaete Collection tel: 213) 763-3234 Los Angeles County Museum of Natural History fax: 213) 746-2999 900 Exposition Boulevard email: lhharris@bcf.usc.edu Los Angeles, California 90007 U.S.A. -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Tue Mar 10 13:07:16 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id NAA14962 Message-Id: <199803102107.NAA14962@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:04:24 -0500 Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: judy A Fournier <110275.1004@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Tharyx illustration and names Dear Annelidans, This is getting to be an interesting debate. Yes, Hartman did cut corners and did describe a lot of new species with somewhat less than adequate control. I found it prudent to check the type specimens of any species she wrote up after 1965 and, like others, found they did not quite match the descriptions, especially when checking the type-series. There is also one key in her 1969 Atlas of the Sedentaria with this charming couplet: "Large worms, over 15 mm long.................................. species A Short worms, less than 15 mm long ............................. species B." I don't have it here right now but I believe it referred to Aricidea. The bottom line is: don't take Hartman's descriptions too literally. We still don't understand and still don't have enough documentation on how most polychaetes grow and change as they mature. In time, we will undoubtedly determine that some "species" are juveniles or immatures of other species, and we will be able to document and illustrate the variation within species due to environmental and other factors (eg: the influence of salinity on setal structure in some nereids.) There's a lot of work still to be done. Judy Fournier 110275.1004@compuserve. com -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Tue Mar 10 14:21:34 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id OAA25820 Message-Id: <199803102221.OAA25820@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 16:50:44 -0500 Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Kristian Fauchald Subject: Re: Tharyx illustration and names Ah well, I guess it is about time I weigh in here, having been around in Hartman's lab for quite a few years. Dr. Hartman preferred to study mature individuals, and some of the statements about "small" and "large" were supposed to refer to that (not always by any means). A second issue in this whole debate about the cirratulids and one which the two of us kept debating, was when and how the cirratulids "differentiated" into the crowded front and rears and the beaded middle. We sort of came to the conclusion that the issue was one of allometry: As the worm added more segments (always from the posterior end of course) it maintained more or less a certain fraction of the anterior end with crowded segments, and in cases with the flattened, beaver-tails, a certain fraction in the beaver tail. As Mary Petersen pointed out, getting too hooked up in counting segments is probablly not a very good idea: Worms start with few segments and then keep on adding. At this point in time, I believe that most species have a sort of normal upper limit of segments, but I refuse to get pinned down very precisely. There may be good rules of thumb on this, but it appears to be both family and size dependent,, so may be useful only in a very limited sense. May I suggest that we attempt to settle all issues about polychaetes this coming August, preferably over a beer or two in Curitiba? I assume that beer is served in Brazil, never having been there, I do not actually know, of course, but I feel confident we will be able to find a suitable substitute! Kristian Fauchald -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Tue Mar 10 14:46:13 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id OAA29215 Message-Id: <199803102246.OAA29215@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:27:27 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Marine Biology Laboratory Subject: Re: Tharyx illustration On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, Leslie H. Harris wrote: > No doubt it would have been > simpler if you had just come over to LACM for an hour or two or asked to > borrow the specimens, but not as much fun for the rest of us. :-) > > Cheers, L. Greetings: I'm not at all displeased with this observation -- and maybe in this one case it is better to have avoided simplicity. Bye for now Tom Parker mblcsdla@netcom.com -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Tue Mar 10 15:10:02 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id PAA02187 Message-Id: <199803102310.PAA02187@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Paulo da Cunha Lana" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Subject: Re: Tharyx illustration and names Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 20:01:12 -0300 [Non-polychaetological matters relevant to the next polychaete conference] Kristian Fauchald wrote: >May I suggest that we attempt to settle all issues about polychaetes this >coming August, preferably over a beer or two in Curitiba? I assume that >beer is served in Brazil... Of course it is, always icy cold, even in winter, as in most civilised places! The only difference is that Brazilian beer is better, cheaper, and bottles are bigger ;-) See the Lonely Planet Travel Survival Kit for additional information... Paulo Lana Chairman and beer expert -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Tue Mar 10 16:25:49 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id QAA12666 Message-Id: <199803110025.QAA12666@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Geoff Read" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Organization: NIWA (Nat. Inst. Water & Atmos. Research) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:04:51 +1100 Subject: Narcon Island Annelida folk, A very recent polychaete publication refers with confidence to "Cape Adare and Narcon Island in Victoria Land." This triggered a memory that perhaps Narcon was fictitious. I'd like to review the facts and get some input from those that have already considered the matter. Apologies if this is already dealt with in print somewhere. As some will know better than I, we have W. Baird to thank for Narcon Island, the purported geographic locality of Serpula narconensis and Eunice narconi, and Terebella flabellum (and maybe others), apparently based on British Museum material surviving from Sir James Clark Ross's Antarctic Expeditions of the 1840's . I recalled Helmut Zibrowius commenting on Narcon Island a couple of years ago. In message http://www.bio.net/hypermail/ANNELIDA/9512/0030.html Helmut wrote: "Well, I think that I have good reasons to believe that Narcon Island is just a poor transcription of Marion Island, a southern island that effectively was visited by J. Ross' expedition." Helmut, this is a belated follow-up to learn if those good reasons perhaps include viewing an original label? Ross did 'visit' Marion Island, which is southern Indian Ocean and really outside the subantarctic zone, but he was unable to land because strong winds drove the ships off overnight. I do not know if that is necessarily a negative to Helmut's very reasonable suggestion since Serpula narconensis, apparently quite common in the deep south, appears to be mainly subtidal. ALSO, in expedition member Joseph Hooker's account (a strangely botanical narrative to be used as introduction to the two zoology volumes - but Hooker was a primarily a botanist) he mentions seeing, if not collecting, "exceedingly abundant" Macrocystis pyrifera, the giant kelp, for the first time there the previous day. That would have meant the ship had been in quite shallow water where dredging, or at least picking up drifting holdfasts, and their attached fauna, might have been convenient. Certainly there is no Narcon Island in the gazeteer, "Antarctica: official name decisions of the United States Board on Geographic Names", 3rd ed. (1969 14-3), which covers from the South Pole up to 50S latitude. There is nothing that is even close. Hartman, 1966, used an earlier edition of that gazetteer to verify names, and surrounds Narcon Island with quotes, though she does not add a '(sic)' as she does for Bucket I., which was also a problem place. I have not been able to check the gazeteers that exist produced by other nations. Also, and more significantly, in Ross's original 1846 map of the coast of Victoria Land there are several islands named and none is the one we seek. We do see the now familiar names of Mt Erebus, McMurdo Bay (Sound), Capes Bird, Crozier, Hallett and Adare. Narcon is a good name for an island - the island of stupor - although we might imagine Baird had a temporary narcosis or narcolepsy while preparing his paper. Ross more usually named places prosaically after people rather than events or fancies. But we cannot rule out that some nondescript rock stack that was once fleetingly called Narcon Island might really be out there. Not all isles are individually named on that map. Incidentally the bulk of the material from Ross's expedition seems to have suffered the same fate as many another - loss through neglect and ill-fortune. Little was published on the invertebrates. A great pity since Ross himself evidently had a particularly strong predilection for marine biological collecting and did some in New Zealand too. At least part was by dredging, for Baird 1865 (Baird Hartman#8) describes polynoids Hermadion ferox and H. fuligineum collected from the Ross Sea and 'dredged' in 300 fathoms - quite a depth for those days, and Hooker (in *Ross, 1982 - a great-grandson) mentions Ross in New Zealand as "spending hours up to his knees in water, and elsewhere dredging". The former being rather a surprising activity for a dignified naval commander. So can anyone, having persisted to read the saga thus far, now point us to Narcon Island, or add to the Marion Island idea? Geoff *M. J. Ross 1982. "Ross in the Antarctic. The voyages of James Clark Ross in Her Majesty's ships Erebus & Terror 1839-1843" Caedmon of Whitby. -- Geoff Read -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Tue Mar 10 21:17:44 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id VAA15814 Message-Id: <199803110517.VAA15814@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Geoff Read" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Organization: NIWA (Nat. Inst. Water & Atmos. Research) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:56:20 +1100 Subject: Re: Tharyx illustration and names This has turned into a stimulating & useful thread. Thank you Tom & Leslie - barking up an unlikely tree is demonstrably sometimes fruitful! I hope most have continued to glance in, regardless of the subject header and their lack of interest in what might be implied by old cirratulid drawings. As an aside regarding recycling ancient drawings I guess one point is that WE know the species names are unlikely to be everyone of them 'correct' now, but the untutored will not unless they are specifically told they have not been updated. But I think it was appropriate for Greg to include the names in the captions so that readers can evaluate their worth - if they need to. > As the worm added more > segments (always from the posterior end of course) it maintained more or > less a certain fraction of the anterior end with crowded segments, and in > cases with the flattened, beaver-tails, a certain fraction in the beaver > tail. This seems entirely reasonable for this sort of shape problem. > As Mary Petersen pointed out, getting too hooked up in counting > segments is probablly not a very good idea: In the circumstance Kristian was addressing that is an appropriate cautionary remark. Elsewhere I have no doubt he thinks careful counting of segments can be essential. This is where it is a case of first occurrence of, or a sequence of, a distinct segmental feature - a type of parapodial lobe, a gill, and (with less confidence beyond say segment 10) a type of seta (dare I mention the capitellid 'genera' ?). Certain worms place these very precisely with no variation in at least the first 20 segments. After that the 'counting' may get sloppy for reasons which include positioning in relation to growth in total number of segments. With adequate numbers of specimens one establishes the meristics and proves these things. An adequate number of specimens is always a good thing before inflicting 'new' species and genera upon the world, especially with soft, easily-distorted creatures like worms - unless one has something unique beyond dispute. -- Geoff Read -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Tue Mar 10 23:50:41 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id XAA00181 Message-Id: <199803110750.XAA00181@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Helmut Zibrowius" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Wed, 11 Mar 98 08:27:01 MST Subject: Re: Narcon Island Baird's NARCON Island: On Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:04:51 +1100, Geoff Read wrote: >I recalled Helmut Zibrowius >commenting on Narcon Island a couple of years ago. In message >http://www.bio.net/hypermail/ANNELIDA/9512/0030.html Helmut wrote: > >"Well, I think that I have good reasons to believe that Narcon Island is >just a poor transcription of Marion Island, a southern island that >effectively was visited by J. Ross' expedition." > >Helmut, this is a belated follow-up to learn if those good reasons perhaps >include viewing an original label? Here he is and maintains the same interpretation: A long and thorough search, including the help of several librarians, and correspondance with the British Antarctic Surveys made me conclude that there was no such island, officially named "Narcon" Island. I saw the type specimen of Serpula narconensis and the label with it: it clearly reads Narcon Island. I conclude that this is due to a transcription error, from Marion Islands. Even if Ross did not go at land for detailed polychaete inventories at the coast, the expedition could have easily got that serpulid, which in these subantarctic islands occurs from shallow to deep water, including on Macrocystis holdfasts. ----------------------------------- Helmut ZIBROWIUS (Centre d'Oceanologie de Marseille) Station Marine d'Endoume Rue Batterie des Lions 13007 Marseille / France E-MAIL: hzibrowi@com.univ-mrs.fr TEL: within France 0491041624 from abroad +33 491041624 FAX: within France 0491041635 from abroad +33 491041635 --------------------------------------------------------- -- ANNELIDA Discuss = annelida@net.bio.net = talk to all members Server = biosci-server@net.bio.net = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Wed Mar 11 09:20:51 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id JAA09182 Message-Id: <199803111720.JAA09182@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:33:40 -0500 Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Kristian Fauchald Subject: Re: Narcon Island The missing Narcon Island: Several years ago, I believe Alex Muir at what was then BM(NH) went through the arguments about Narcon Island. He is of course interested since Baird's material is there. A confusion with another island, is of course possible, but I would like to make the suggestion that when the species are revised and types re-examined, the original location be given, as is. If necessary with comments and citations so that later scientists will not have to figure out why we suddenly started calling these type localities Marion Island, when labels and ledger entries read Narcon. Let us keep the level of confusion as low as possible. Kristian -- ANNELIDA Discuss = annelida@net.bio.net = talk to all members Server = biosci-server@net.bio.net = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Wed Mar 11 12:55:00 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id MAA21276 Message-Id: <199803112055.MAA21276@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Darius Daunys" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Organization: Klaipeda University Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:12:53 +0200 Subject: 16th Baltic Marine Biologists Symposium First Announcement 16TH BALTIC MARINE BIOLOGISTS SYMPOSIUM June 21-26, 1999 Klaipeda, Lithuania Organisers: Baltic Marine Biologists Klaipeda University Under auspices of: Ministry of Environmental Protection Lithuanian Academy of Sciences Scientific Programme The Symposium programme will comprise both oral presentations and posters on the following topics: * Functional diversity and ecosystem dynamics of the Baltic Sea * Development of marine biology in the Baltic Sea area: history and frontiers for the future * Alien species in the brackish water ecosystems During the 30 years of BMB existence, its biannual symposia were mostly oriented to the Baltic Sea biological and ecological studies. We will keep this tradition, however people from other European and overseas regions are also very welcome to contribute with their papers that are in tune with the above themes. Each of the Symposium topics will be introduced by invited speakers. Their names and titles of the lectures will appear at our Symposium INTERNET home page http://www.ku.lt/ku6.htm and will be included into a second announcement. Two special parallel seminars (discussion groups) will be organised on the following topics: * Port industry and marine environment * Modelling of marine biological processes Deadlines The registration form should be returned before 30 June 1998 in order to receive the second announcement (including the final registration form). Abstracts of papers and posters should be submitted before 15 January 1999. On reviewing of their relevance to the Symposium programme the acceptance or rejection will be communicated before 31 March 1999. Manuscripts of the papers should be presented to the Organising Committee before 26 June 1999 in order to quicken publication of the Symposium proceedings. Symposium venue Klaipeda University is a leading academic and research institution in the western part of Lithuania, largely oriented to maritime industry, coastal zone management, marine ecology and other sea-related disciplines. At present it has six faculties with about 50 departments, 20 research centres and enrols ca. 6,000 students. Klaipeda is the third largest city of Lithuania (ca. 210,000 inhabitants) and one of the most important sea ports in the Baltic Sea. During eight centuries of its history, Klaipeda experienced influence of different nations and cultures, traces left are still to be seen in the Old town. The region is well known for its maritime health resorts, spectacular coastal landscapes with exposed sandy dunes and beaches, the Kurdio Nerija National Park, Museum of Amber (Palanga), Maritime Museum, Aquarium and Dolphinarium. More information about history, living conditions, transport, etc. may be found at the INTERNET home page: http://www.inyourpocket.com/kldata.htm#gotobar. Scientific Advisory Committee Dr. Sergej Olenin (Centre for System Analysis, Klaipeda University) Dr. Algirdas Stankevicius (Centre of Marine Research, Ministry of Environmental Protection) Dr. Arturas Razinkovas (Centre for System Analysis, Klaipeda University) Prof. Dr. Habil. Juozas Virbickas (Institute of Ecology, Vilnius) Dr. Habil. Janina Syvokiene (Institute of Ecology, Vilnius) Organising committee and Symposium secretariat Dr. Saulius Bucas (Klaipeda University) Dr. Irina Olenina (Centre of Marine Research) Ms. Zita Gasiunaite (Klaipeda University) Mr. Darius Daunys (Klaipeda University) Ms. Genute Ziniauskaite (Klaipeda University) All correspondence should be addressed to: 16th BMB Symposium Secretariat. Centre for System Analysis. Klaipeda University. Manto 84, LT-5808. Klaipeda, LITHUANIA. Fax: +370 6 -256526 or -212940 E-mail: bmb16org@hgf.ku.lt Symposium fee The Symposium fee will be about 600 Lt (ca. 150 USD), depending on sponsor contributions, and includes the program and abstract volume, proceedings, receptions, coffee and tea during sessions. A special fee for students and accompanying persons will be offered. A reduction of fee for scientists from countries with economy in transition may be requested individually from the Organising Committee. Language: The Symposium language will be English Symposium proceedings The Symposium proceedings will be published in a peer-reviewed journal during late 1999 - early 2000. Provisional schedule 21 June (Monday) Registration, get-together, BMB Committee meeting 22 June (Tuesday) Plenary sessions, posters session 23 June (Wednesday) Plenary sessions and parallel seminars, Symposium dinner 24 June (Thursday) Plenary session, afternoon excursion 25 June (Friday) Plenary sessions, closing plenary session 26 June (Saturday) BMB Committee meeting, optional excursions, departure Other activities Working group meetings, presentation of video films, informal evening sessions, etc. may be arranged in consultation with the Organising Committee. Travel and accommodation Klaipeda is reachable by ferries from Kiel, Mukran, (hus, Stockholm and other ports. 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(+370 6) 212940 -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Wed Mar 11 16:17:49 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id QAA20882 Message-Id: <199803120017.QAA20882@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:44:33 +1300 Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Geoff Read Subject: Fwd: Oligochaete / F'w benthic job ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Newsgroups: sci.bio.ecology Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 20:45:57 +0000 Reply-To: rick barbiero From: rick barbiero Subject: BENTHIC INVERTEBRATE TAXONOMIST POSITION BENTHIC INVERTEBRATE TAXONOMIST POSITION Grace Analytical Labs has a position available immediately for a benthic invertebrate taxonomist. 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Clark 10th Floor Chicago IL 60605 USA (312) 886-2591 (fax) ...and/or email materials to rick.barbiero@seaweed.ucg.ie Deadline for receipt of applications is 15 April, 1998 ==================================== Rick Barbiero Ph.D., Biology Team Leader Grace Analytical Labs 536 S. Clark 10th Floor Chicago IL 60605 (312) 353-9069; (312) 886-2591 (fax) rick.barbiero@seaweed.ucg.ie ==================================== -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Thu Mar 12 14:37:28 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id OAA03599 Message-Id: <199803122237.OAA03599@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Helmut Zibrowius" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Thu, 12 Mar 98 09:48:10 MST Subject: Re: Narcon Island (and Ross the naturalist) On Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:04:51 +1100, Geoff Read wrote: >Incidentally the bulk of the material from Ross's expedition seems to have >suffered the same fate as many another - loss through neglect and >ill-fortune. Little was published on the invertebrates. A great pity since >Ross himself evidently had a particularly strong predilection for marine >biological collecting and did some in New Zealand too. At least part was >by dredging, for Baird 1865 (Baird Hartman#8) describes polynoids Hermadion >ferox and H. fuligineum collected from the Ross Sea and 'dredged' in 300 >fathoms - quite a depth for those days, .... for species from Ross' deep dredging stations see: Cairns S.D., 1983. Antarctic and Subantarctic Stylasterina (Coelenterata: Hydrozoa). Antarctic Res. Ser., 38 (2): 61-164. -- contains remarks on the stylasterid Errina fissurata Gray, 1872, from 270 fathoms. Bayer F.M., 1990. The identity of Fannyella rossii J.E.Gray (Coelenterata: Octocorallia). Proc. biol. Soc. 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You can fill out the address form directly through our Web page at URL http://www.bio.net/adrform.html. The address database is reindexed nightly for WWW access (the URL is http://www.bio.net/). If you are not directly on the Internet but can reach it by e-mail, please use our waismail server to access the user directory. waismail use is described above. You can also request a user address form by e-mail from biosci-help@net.bio.net. Please check your database entry from time-to-time to see if your address information is still up-to-date. Because of our limited personnel resources, we ask that you resubmit a *complete* form to revise your entry; we only replace complete entries and do not have resources to edit old forms. -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Thu Mar 12 14:37:28 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id OAA03600 Message-Id: <199803122237.OAA03600@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "sashka" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Subject: Imajima & Uchida Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:48:45 +0300 Anybody know where is Proff. Imajima now? He suddenly stoped reply the letters. Can I contact by e-mail with Proff. Uchida? Both are absent from Geoff's on-line list. Alexander Rzhavsky -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Thu Mar 12 14:37:27 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id OAA03592 Message-Id: <199803122237.OAA03592@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Torleif Holthe Subject: References Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:54:25 +0100 Completing a ms on ampharetids, I have two tricky references: 1. Fauvel, 1936 Contribution a la faune des annelides polychetes du Maroc. _Mem. Soc. Sci. nat. Phys.Maroc_ 43:1-143. The University Library is unable to find the full name of this periodical, and I have not got the reprint. Does anybody know the name? 2. Wu, Q.B. & P. Qian 1987. Five new species of polychaetous Annelida (Ampharetidae and Terebellidae from South Oceans. _Investigatio et Studium Naturae_??: 39-54. This paper is in Chinese with an English summary, it's paginated with Arabic numerals, but I cannot find any legible volume number on the reprint. Does anybody know how to quote this paper? Torleif Holthe Museum of Natural History and Archaeology Norwegian University of Science and Technology Trondheim, Norway -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Thu Mar 12 14:37:28 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id OAA03596 Message-Id: <199803122237.OAA03596@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 04:14:15 -0600 Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Vadec Lobza Subject: Polychaete behavior - help!!!! To whomever could help, My name is Vadec Lobza and I am a graduate student in geology at the University of Texas at Arlington. My project involves a detailed study of trace fossils in very fine grained, terrigenous sediments (mud) of the Upper Devonian age. I am interested in backtracking such information as sediment firmness and relative oxygen levels within the water above the sediment. From observations made thus far I have strong grounds to believe that those traces were produced mainly by polychaete worms. Fossil scolecodonts stand as one of the pieces of evidence. The sequence I study consists of alternating black, brown, and gray shales. Burrows in my rocks are manifested as traces of mud, lighter in color, pulled down by the burrowers into a darker in color matrix. Seldom it is the other way around and I strongly believe it is directly associated with the amount of oxygen in the substrate. The color of rocks is directly related to their organic content. I have also conducted series of experiments to compare substrate density and burrow morphology as produced by worms moving through sediments of different densities. Both the experiments and my rocks strongly suggest that, when considering the overall burrow assemblage of a single layer, some burrows were produced in very soupy substrate (up to 70% water content) and some later, when the mud became firmer (currently in press in the Journal of Sedimentary Research). All of my rocks show a higher degree of bioturbation by, what I believe were errant worms, then by the sedentary types. That is, if a freely moving worm has to come out of the mud often, but does not spend much time in the water. I do not know how such worms really behave. I could not find any information as to how much time errant worms spend inside the substrate vs. the time in the water above it. Also, there are questions as to how fast can errant worms "swim" in such soupy substrate (cm/s). I realize that the answers are not simple and more than likely depend on what worm genus is considered. This is where I am turning to you for help. I really do not want to produce science fiction and need reliable information to keep me in check, but unfortunately such data seems to be scarce. Even pointing me in the direction of proper literature would be of tremendous help. Please keep in mind that I am interested in the behavior of modern worms! If you would like to respond, please do so at my e-mail address. Thank you very much for your time, Vadec Lobza Geology Department University of Texas at Arlington 501 Yates Arlington, TX 76013 (817) 272 2987 WML@utarlg.uta.edu home: Plaster9@mci2000.com -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Thu Mar 12 19:26:05 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id TAA08860 Message-Id: <199803130326.TAA08860@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:53:48 +0800 (SGT) Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Harinder Rai singh Subject: Info on power plants [Also sent to mollusca and marbio lists. I suggest reply directly or CC to Singh if you have some cites handy - GBR] Dear subscribers, I am looking for info on the impacts of coal-fired power plants or power plants in general on the benthos, fisheries, corals, seagrasses of coastal ecosystems. I will appreciate any help in the form of published and unpublished materials. This is for a project for my undergraduate students in Applied Ecology. Thank you. sincerely, Harinder Rai Singh ADP-PPP, ITM Section 17 40200 Shah Alam Malaysia -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Fri Mar 13 08:41:32 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id IAA08612 Message-Id: <199803131641.IAA08612@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Organization: Department of Zoology Invertebrate MSU From: "dep.inv.zoology" Subject: Lepidonotus squamatus Date: Fri, 13 Mar 98 14:59:08 +0300 Dear Anneliders ! I am a student of the 4th course in the Moscow State University. Could you please help me with the following subjekt: I need any information about time of reproduction and settlement of larvae, population age structure and poductivity of Lepidonotus squamatus, living in the White Sea, or in other areas. Any information would be appreciated. Thank you in advance, Marija V. Pljuscheva Dept. Invertebrate Zoology Biological Faculty Moscow State University Moscow 119899 Russia "dep.inv.zoology" -- ANNELIDA Discuss = annelida@net.bio.net = talk to all members Server = biosci-server@net.bio.net = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Mon Mar 16 03:53:39 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id DAA11168 Message-Id: <199803161153.DAA11168@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:22:19 +0100 Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Joao Gil Subject: Magelona mirabilis Dear colleagues: Meredith Jones in 1977, in his work of redescription of Magelona papillicornis (In: Reish,D.J. & Fauchald,K. (Eds.). Essays on polychaetous annelids in memory of Dr. Olga Hartman, Los Angeles, Allan Hancock Foundation, pp. 247-266), says that all the specimens previously referred to that species by McIntosh (1915), Fauvel (1927), Bellan (1964), Day (1967) and others should be "provisionally" considered as Magelona mirabilis (Johnston). He refers that a "work...presently in progress will resolve this purposeful taxonomic compromise". Does anyone know if that work saw daylight? If so, when and where? If not, does anyone know if M. mirabilis was redescribed recently? (Or if any of the descriptions previously referred to M. papillicornis can be taken as the description of M. mirabilis). Thank you in advance. With my very best wishes, Joao Gil ******************************************* Joao Gil Centre d'Estudis Avancats de Blanes Cami de Santa Barbara, s/n E-17300 BLANES (GIRONA), SPAIN Telef.: 34-72-33.61.01 Fax: 34-72-33.78.06 E-mail: gil@ceab.csic.es -- ANNELIDA Discuss = annelida@net.bio.net = talk to all members Server = biosci-server@net.bio.net = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Mon Mar 16 13:38:34 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id NAA29618 Message-Id: <199803162138.NAA29618@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:24:39 -0500 Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Kristian Fauchald Subject: Re: Magelona mirabilis The simple answer is No and then No. The promised description of Magelona mirabilis never appeared: Meredith Jones got preoccupied with the Vestimentiferans and did a marvelous job describing their anatomy and morphology aided and abetted by Steve Gardiner. And no, you cannot assume that any description of M. papillicornis from England/Europe is likely to be correct. The only way to clear up this mess is to get some material from the type locality of Maea mirabilis and redescribe it (and look for the type, of course; it should be in London at this point). I am quite convinced that Meredith Jones was correct in his analysis of the magelonids, but unfortunately it was never completed. Best Kristian Fauchald -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Tue Mar 17 13:57:16 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id NAA13824 Message-Id: <199803172157.NAA13824@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Andrew.Mackie@nmgw.ac.uk Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 18:18:11 +0000 Subject: Re: Magelona mirabilis Kristian is quite correct that Magelona mirabilis cannot be used for previous European descriptions of "M. papillicornis". There are in fact two morphologically similar species present in UK waters which could both be identified as "M. papillicornis" using available European keys. I had discussed this with Meredith Jones, but alas he never completed his work on the problem. Together with Peter Garwood I have (p. 42) outlined the problem and the most obvious distinguishing features of the two species (labelled Magelona sp. A & Magelona sp. B) in: Mackie, A.S.Y., Rees, E.I.S. & Oliver, P.G. 1995. Benthic Biodiversity in the Southern Irish Sea.- Studies in Marine Biodiversity and Systematics from the National Museum of Wales. BIOMOR Reports, 1: 263pp. [ISBN 0 7200 0427 6] This is available from NMW for 28 UK pounds (incl. P&P)! Getting back to M. mirabilis. There are several other complications with the species. As far as I know type material does not exist and although Johnston mentions Plate XXII in his description I have never seen a copy of his Catalogue with this present. Coincidently, next week I am visiting Johnston's home town of Berwick-upon-Tweed with Fredrik Pleijel, Susan Chambers and our assistants. The aim of this fieldtrip is to try and collect topotypic material of certain of Johnston's species which now present us with taxonomic difficulties. Hopefully such material will enable us to resolve some of the problems presented by species such as Maea mirabilis. Unfortunately finding "Maea mirabilis" is perhaps not going to be too helpful. First, Johnston did not collect the worm himself! Instead it was given to him by Dr Greville "who does not remember the locality in which it was found" (Johnston, p. 278). Secondly, it is possible 2 species might be found..... Regards, Andy Mackie Dr. Andrew S.Y. Mackie Marine Biodiversity Section Department of Biodiversity and Systematic Biology (BioSyB) National Museum of Wales Cathays Park Cardiff CF1 3NP UK Tel: int +44 (0)1222 573 311 Fax: int +44 (0)1222 239 009 E-mail: Andrew.Mackie@nmgw.ac.uk -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Tue Mar 17 14:52:20 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id OAA21316 Message-Id: <199803172252.OAA21316@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Petersen, Mary Elizabeth" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Subject: Re: Magelona mirabilis Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:37:00 +0100 Tuesday, 17 March 1998 Re type locality, there is some information, although not much. Johnston 1865: 350 [Addenda and Corrigenda], line 3 from last states: "Page 279, Maea mirabilis, _at end of description add_ (a) Scotland, Dr, Greville." That at least narrows the type locality a bit. If Dr. Greville kept any sort of notes on his excursions, and these have been kept, it might be possible to see what part of Scotland might be involved. If 2 or more species that fit the description are found there, it is a matter of deciding which one better serves the stability of nomenclature, but if only one species is present, AND it fits the description (there might have been more than one earlier and the one present now might not be a very good fit), it would seem to be a good candidate for the name. Best regards, Mary -------- Mary E. Petersen Zoological Museum, University of Copenhagen mepetersen@zmuc.ku.dk -------------------------------------- -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Thu Mar 19 14:01:13 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id OAA08346 Message-Id: <199803192201.OAA08346@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Dr. Dieter Fiege" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:15:53 GMT-1 Subject: Re: Magelona mirabilis Dear Andy (and all colleagues interested in european Magelonids): I had answered Joao Gils question personally to him. See below. One of the problems why our paper has not been finished earlier was the so far unresolved question of what is the type locality of M. mirabilis. Frank and I discussed to base the redescription on material from the North Sea since that seemed to be closest. From the material we have, we have no hint that there are two similar species like your type A and B in European waters. But we have no material from the Irish Sea or Atlantik coast of Britain... If you could spare a few specimens of your type A and B to be SEMed I'd be happy to have a look at them. Cheers, Dieter __________________________________________ 16.03.1998 Dear Joao: yes, Meredith Jones was right. M. papillicornis is listed in many papers, e.g. dealing with material from the North Sea. But since this species was described from Sta. Catalina Island off Brasil it is quite unlikely to represent a fairly common species in the North Sea. This view was adopted by, e.g. Dauvin & Gentil (1980), Fiege & Ben-Eliahu (1994), Hartmann-Schroeder in her new edition of Tierwelt Deutschlands (1996) and Kirkegaard (1996). However, Meredith Jones did not get around to publish his work on this taxonomic problem, probably since his attention was later absorbed by the Vestimentifera. Over several years Frank Licher and I have checked quite a lot of material from the North Sea and Mediterranean Sea for a revision of the Magelonidae from European waters. In the course of this work the type material of M. equilamellae Harmelin, 1964 which appeared to be lost was rediscovered. A forthcoming paper will also include a redescription of M. mirabilis. The ms is in a final state now and will be submitted later this year. With best regards Dieter ---------------------------------- Dr. Dieter Fiege Forschungsinstitut Senckenberg Sektion Marine Evertebraten II Senckenberganlage 25 D-60325 Frankfurt/M. ph +49-69-7542265 Fax +49-69-746238 http://senckenberg.uni-frankfurt.de dfiege@sng.uni-frankfurt.de -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Tue Mar 24 13:40:14 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id NAA21514 Message-Id: <199803242140.NAA21514@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Paulo da Cunha Lana" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Subject: Polychaete cladistics course Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:16:54 -0300 ************************************************************************ Once again, please TAKE CARE to direct your replies, & forms to Paulo, NOT to Annelida. Thank you. GBR, moderator Annelida. ************************************************************************ Dear colleagues, This message is a reminder and update from Greg Rouse and Paulo Lana about 'POLYCHAETE CLADISTICS: AN ADVANCED COURSE' that will be offered just after the Sixth International Polychaete Conference in August this year. The staff includes Greg Rouse (University of Sydney, Organizer), Fredrik Pleijel (Swedish Museum of Natural History), Kristian Fauchald (Smithsonian Institution), Kirk Fitzhugh (Los Angeles County Museum), and Paulo Lana (Centro de Estudos do Mar; logistics, including finding various Brazilian beers). Depending on number of course participants, further researchers may be invited to attend as staff (we hope to have Damhnait McHugh, Harvard University, as well). The course is mainly intended for postgraduate and early postdoctoral workers. These people will be given preference if there is heavy demand. Registrations for the course will be accepted on a first come, first served basis. Formal applications must be received by 30 April 1998. An application form is provided below. Successful applicants will receive additional information concerning the course in May. If you currently have any questions concerning the course please contact Paulo Lana (on logistical issues) or Greg Rouse (on course content issues) gregr@bio.usyd.edu.au. We are interested in hearing from any people wavering about the course. Maybe we can persuade you! The course is currently planned to run for 12 days. Its format will involve 2 lectures each morning followed by discussion groups until lunch/siesta. There will be a practical class each afternoon. Most evenings will be 'free'. The course emphasis will be on systematics, with particular emphasis on cladistic methodology. Lectures will cover areas such as Polychaete Morphology, Diversity, Reproduction and 'Ecology', Philosophy of science, Introduction to Systematics, Cladistics methodology, Molecular and Morphological data, Classification, Species concepts and do they matter, Biogeography, and Comparative methods. Several case studies involving polychaetes and cladistics will be provided. Discussion groups will follow on from the morning lectures with an additional paper or two to be read for each meeting. Each participant will be involved in a project relevant to the course, either individually or in groups. Participants can bring their own material and data, or rely on the local polychaete fauna for the project. Over the first 5 days practicals will involve Polychaete Morphology and Diversity, followed by exercises in Systematics. Instruction in the use of programs such as PAUP, Hennig86, MacClade and Clados will be provided. The remaining practical sessions will be devoted to the projects. The course will be held at the Centro de Estudos do Mar (Center for Marine Studies), in Pontal do Sul, 110 km from Curitiba. It will be limited to 16-20 participants, and will cost US $ 700.00. There is a chance of getting lower fees if a funding proposal recently submitted to the Brazilian National Research Council is accepted (answer in about 60-70 days). If this happens, currently enlisted participants will receive part of their money back. The fee includes accomodation (simple collective dorms up to 4 or 5 people, bed clothing included) and three meals a day (breakfast, lunch, dinner) during the whole course, not including Saturdays and Sundays. Transport to and from Pontal do Sul will be provided by Universidade Federal do Parana. Free cooking facilities will be available to participants. No other expenses will be covered by the organization. There are at least two small markets, besides some very simple restaurants (average price of meals from US $5 to US $15) at a walking distance from the Center. APPLICATION FORM POLYCHAETE CLADISTICS: AN ADVANCED COURSE PONTAL DO SUL, PARANA, BRAZIL 10-21 AUGUST 1998 APPLICATION FORM (please type or print and fill out ALL the spaces) Surname/Family name: _________________________________ First name: __________________________________________ Work address: _______________________________________ ___________________________________________________ Work phone (international version): + _____________________ Fax (international): + __________________________________ E-mail:_______________________________ Provide further details of your professional status: ____________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________ Registration Fee US $ 700.00 Payment should be submitted using one of the following means: Deposit in the bank account: NIMAD-UFPR, Banco do Brasil, Account number 25111-9 - Agency Number 3184/4 - Curitiba, Brazil (please fax the receipt of your deposit) Credit cards: MasterCard, Diners International and Visa. Please charge my card: Total _US $ 700.00 ___Visa ___Mastercard ___Diners No. __________________________ Expiry date ____________________ Date __/__/__ Signature __________________ Please return this form (by e-mail or fax) to: Paulo da Cunha Lana Centro de Estudos do Mar - Universidade Federal do Parana Av. Beira-Mar, s/n 83255-000 Pontal do Sul - Parana - Brazil Tel + 55 41 4551333 Fax + 55 41 4551105 lana@aica.cem.ufpr.br ipc6@aica.cem.ufpr.br ipc6@cce.ufpr.br -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Sun Mar 29 13:46:54 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id NAA06387 Message-Id: <199803292146.NAA06387@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Geoff Read" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 11:22:21 +0000 Subject: Platyhelminthes phylogeny meeting For those with a general interest in the evolution of the bilateral metazoans: The Interrelationships of the Platyhelminthes. An International Meeting - The Linnean Society of London 14-16 July 1999 (in association with the Systematics Association & The British Society for Parasitology). Details at: http://www.linnean.org.uk/MEETING/details1.htm -- Geoff Read -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Tue Mar 31 19:22:54 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id TAA22734 Message-Id: <199804010322.TAA22734@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net From: "Geoff Read" Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net Organization: NIWA (Nat. Inst. Water & Atmos. Research) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:13:11 +1100 Subject: Calcium carbonate and evolution Annelida folk, A serious question - but be careful out there in Net land - it's April one! I am trying to think of the polychaetes which in some way can secrete calcium carbonate. So far I have the obvious in the tubes (& opercula) of Serpulidae, and also those of the cirratulid Dodecaceria fewkesi, the calcified jaws of some Eunicida, the calcified setae of Amphinomidae. What other candidates and structures are there? Also are there any interesting theories on the evolution & occurrence of calcium carbonate structures in the more 'primitive' animals? A review somewhere? Or is calcium metabolism so fundamental to cell biology that almost any animal has the ability to make hard crystals of it occasionally? Please reply to the (very quiet) list. We need the traffic! -- Geoff Read -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html -- From daemon Tue Mar 31 21:06:30 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by net.bio.net (8.6.12-r-beta/8.6.6) id VAA02180 Message-Id: <199804010506.VAA02180@net.bio.net> To: annelida@net.bio.net Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:51:33 -0800 Reply-To: annelida@net.bio.net From: Kirk Fitzhugh Subject: Re: Calcium carbonate and evolution For calcareous tube secretor, add the sabellid, Calcisabella piloseta Perkins, 1991, published in the Long Beach Polychaete Conference Proceedings. (My apologies to Tom Perkins if I've misspelled the name - I'm writing this at home). And, speaking of evolution, I received my April copy of National Geographic today, which has an article on the pre-Cambrian Ediacaran fauna from Australia. Take a look at page 115 for a pleasant surprise! Best wishes, Kirk ******************************************** Kirk Fitzhugh, Ph.D. Associate Curator of Polychaetes Research & Collections Branch Los Angeles County Museum of Natural History 900 Exposition Blvd Los Angeles CA 90007 USA -------------------------------------------- Phone: 213-763-3233 FAX: 213-746-2999 email: fitzhugh@bcf.usc.edu ******************************************* -- ANNELIDA LIST Discuss = = talk to all members Server = = un/subscribes Archives = http://www.bio.net:80/hypermail/ANNELIDA/ Resources = http://biodiversity.uno.edu/~worms/annelid.html --