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From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Fri Apr 02 23:00:00 1999
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From: matthews@GREENGENES.CIT.CORNELL.EDU ("Dave Matthews")
Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb
Subject: Re:  [webacelist] problems with sublist
Date: 2 Apr 1999 16:56:15 -0800
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Maria Nemchuk has written up a fix for this bug and others, as well as some
of the additional features now running at http://genome.cornell.edu.
See http://genome.cornell.edu/webace/webaceREADME.html
- Dave

> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:45:54 -0800 (PST)
> From: Kim Marshall <kmarshal@dendrome.ucdavis.edu>
> To: webacelist@sanger.ac.uk
> Subject: [webacelist] problems with sublist
> 
>   I have everything working fine with webace except for one thing
>  and was hoping someone could help me out. The sublist button does
>  not get me sublist other than the first list. If I have a large class
>  such as colleague which is divided into 5 sublists and I click on any
>  of the sublists only the first one shows up. 




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From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Sat Apr 03 23:00:00 1999
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From: matthews@GREENGENES.CIT.CORNELL.EDU ("Dave Matthews")
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Subject: tace load validation
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When I load a file in tace it returns, for example,

// Parsing file  /glume/matthews/Wheat/Sequence/Pan/Pan.ace
// 83 objects read with 0 errors
// 83 Active Objects

Then "list" provides a very nice list of the objects created explicitly, 
sorted by Class.  But is there a way to also list the objects created
implicitly by reference?  

I usually do this first in an empty database, so it would be fine if there
were just a command to list all the objects in the database.

- Dave

From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Sat Apr 03 23:00:00 1999
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From: matthews@GREENGENES.CIT.CORNELL.EDU ("Dave Matthews")
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Subject: Re:  tace load validation
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I tried "neighbors" and "follow *" but they didn't work.
- Dave        

From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Sat Apr 03 23:00:00 1999
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From: matthews@GREENGENES.CIT.CORNELL.EDU ("Dave Matthews")
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Subject: tace locking
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When I'm using tace for a test load to check syntax etc., I want to exit
without committing changes.  "quit" doesn't do that.  ^C does.  However
it leaves database/lock.wrm set.  So I shouldn't be able to do any further
loading until I delete that, right?  But currently I'm not seeing any lock:
subsequent tace sessions have write access without complaining.  

This is some ace4_6, probably the first.

Desideratum would be a proper quit-without-saving.

- Dave

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From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Wed Apr 07 23:00:00 1999
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From: Richard Durbin <rd@sanger.ac.uk>
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For each acedb session, a list of all the objects created in that
session is saved as a keyset file in the directory database/new/ and a
list of all the preexisting objects that have changed is written in a
file in database/touched.  The file names look like

	new-1999-03-25_12:09:13_rd
or
	touched-1999-03-25_12:09:13_rd

giving the date and the user id who gained write access as in the
session name.  

So, to see what objects parsing a file creates or changes, just save
before parsing the file to establish a new session, then save again
afterwards to make the lists.  Of course, you can't see the lists
without saving, so if you want to do that you will have to parse into
a dummy database and throw it out.  We could consider adding
tace/aceclient commands to show the lists for the current session...

Richard

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Your "cron" job on iron
/home/fe4/packages/update_scripts/upace.pl acedb.config

produced the following output:

sh: /home/fe4/packages/update_scripts/upace.pl: not found

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Your "cron" job on iron
/packages/acedb/update_scripts/upace.pl acedb.config

produced the following output:

sh: /packages/acedb/update_scripts/upace.pl: not found

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Hello,

I just recently learned of ACEDB from an article in The Perl Journal.  After
reading the first couple of pages of the article, I decided that ACEDB would
be perfect for a project that I'm working on.  I've downloaded it and
installed it on my Linux machine, but thats about as far as I've gotten.

It appears that the database comes preconfigured for the DNA and gene data. 
I don't see a way to start a new database.  I realize that this database was
originally designed for DNA and gene sequencing and other similar stuff, but
I'm going to be using it for other types of data.  I've kind of looked
through the online docs and help pages, but just didn't see anything that
really talked about starting with a empty database, just how to import the
updated gene data.

Anyway, if someone could point me in the right direction I would appreciate
it.

Thank you

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From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Sat Apr 10 23:00:00 1999
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From: matthews@GREENGENES.CIT.CORNELL.EDU ("Dave Matthews")
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> starting with a empty database

Hi Daryl, In the ACEDB Documentation Library,
http://probe.nalusda.gov:8000/acedocs/,  look at:

Exploring Models Design and Structure
http://probe.nalusda.gov:8000/ace97/sam/exploring/toc_models.html   

and 

a guide to models and ace files
http://probe.nalusda.gov:8000/acedocs/models_guide.html  

- Dave

From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Sun Apr 11 23:00:00 1999
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From: Richard Durbin <rd@sanger.ac.uk>
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Subject: Re:  Question on ACEDB
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To start an empty database, you need to rewrite three files in directory wspec/
that define the schema.  

First the file options.wrm should list the classes you want to use.
To keep things simple, just declare them with no options and they will
get sensible default.  

Second, the file models.wrm defines the object structure for each
classs.  It is best to work from example, e.g. using the movie
database used in Lincoln Stein's article.  There are some fairly
simple introductions to models file design on the documentation
server.

Third, the file subclasses.wrm defines subclasses, which in the case
of ACEDB are not a mechanism for inheritance but rather subsets of a
class satisfying a query -- the simplest case is not to have any,
though they are useful both for data organisation and efficiency.

If you are using the X interface rather than AcePerl then you should
also edit layout.wrm to present the classes that you want on the
startup window.

Richard

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From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Sun Apr 11 23:00:00 1999
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From: mieg@crbm.cnrs-mop.fr
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yes acedb can deal with any schema
the database engine will work, and queries and text displays
but yoiu will lose the biology specific displays obviously

the best start up is i think the lecture by Sam Cartinhour at
acedb 97, Cornell available on the acedb doc site

try that
essetially you want to empty
wspec/modesl.wrm subclassses.wrm options.wrm
and then fill them again with your own SPECifications


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              wine & beer is a blessing in moderation.

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with the help of Holy Ghost. We believe wine (or beer) is a blessing 
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From: matthews@GREENGENES.CIT.CORNELL.EDU ("Dave Matthews")
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Subject: Y2K ?
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Anyone know the answer to this?:
- Dave

> From: "Coleman, Mike" <COLEMANMI@phibred.com>
> To: matthews@greengenes.cit.cornell.edu
> Cc: "Hardisty, Marvin" <HARDISTY@phibred.com>
> Subject: Dave, id AceDB year 2000 compliant?
> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:41:12 -0500
> 
> Dave,
> 
>   We are running this on Solaris 2.6.  Do you know if AceDB itself is
> compliant?  Please advise.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mike Coleman

From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Fri Apr 16 23:00:00 1999
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> 
> Anyone know the answer to this?:
> - Dave
> 
> > From: "Coleman, Mike" <COLEMANMI@phibred.com>
> > To: matthews@greengenes.cit.cornell.edu
> > Cc: "Hardisty, Marvin" <HARDISTY@phibred.com>
> > Subject: Dave, id AceDB year 2000 compliant?
> > Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:41:12 -0500
> > 
> > Dave,
> > 
> >   We are running this on Solaris 2.6.  Do you know if AceDB itself is
> > compliant?  Please advise.
> > 
> > Thank you,
> > 
> > Mike Coleman
> 

Richard answered this in January.


An archive for this newsgroup is at:

http://genome-www.stanford.edu/Saccharomyces/AT-acedbbiosci.html


The answer is:

Subject: Re: Y2K bugs in Ace 
From: Richard Durbin <rd@sanger.ac.uk> 
Date: 26 Jan 1999 23:02:55 -0000 

I don't believe there are Y2K problems in acedb code.  Obviously the underlying
operating system must be Y2K compliant because it makes system calls.  Dates
are stored internally in an acedb-specific format that knows the precision of
the date-time, e.g. day only, seconds, month only etc.  These always write
out as 4 digit years, but the parser will recognise 2 digit years, and map
values greater than 50 to 19xx, 50 or less to 20xx.  So there is a potential
Y2050 problem there if you use that feature in data.  It looks like we set
a maximum year of 2053 anyway, so there is a serious Y2053 problem.

Richard

From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Fri Apr 16 23:00:00 1999
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From: mieg@beta.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr (Danielle et jean Thierry-Mieg)
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yeas acedb is y2k compliant

From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Sun Apr 18 23:00:00 1999
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I have a text database of a large set of C. elegans predicted genes
(denoted by cosmid#.ORF#).  I would like to add fields to my database
that include the chromosome number, physical map position, and
approximate genetic map position (and possibly other data in the future)
for each gene.  Obviously, AceDB has all this information, but how can I
extract it for a large number of genes, for instance through a Perl
script.  I'm a novice at AceDB and even more of a novice at Perl, but
I'd be anxious to put a script together if someone could help get me
started.  Thank you.

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From: crepinau@sb-roscoff.fr (Crepineau)
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   Dear ACEDB users,

I would like to use ACEDB for a mitochondria project, but I have not been
able to find any information on circular maps and sequences under ACEDB.

Does anybody have any tips?

I am also looking for a site where the Physical Maps tags are explained
and a example of data loading for this physical map is shown.

thank's in advance.

Florent

-- 
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From: Richard Durbin <rd@sanger.ac.uk>
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There has been much talk about a circular map display, but I don't think
that one has been written yet sadly.  I would like to hear if I am wrong.

Richard

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From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Mon Apr 26 23:00:00 1999
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From: matthews@GREENGENES.CIT.CORNELL.EDU ("Dave Matthews")
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Here ?Allele is defined as -CaseSensitive in options.wrm.

acedb> find allele adh*
acedb> list
 adh1
 Adh1
 adh2
 Adh2
 adh3
 Adh3
acedb> is adh1
acedb> list
 adh1
 Adh1
acedb> find allele adh1
acedb> list
 Adh1
acedb> find allele "adh1"
acedb> list
 Adh1

None of the adh1 answers are correct.  This is causing us a good deal of
derision from communities who've been relying on case distinctions between 
allele names for decades.  Is there a fix for this?  Does AQL handle it?

- Dave

From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Mon Apr 26 23:00:00 1999
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From: mieg@alpha.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr (Danielle et jean Thierry-Mieg)
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Dave Matthews just pointed out that case sensitivity fails in 4_7
fix will be provided ASAP
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From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Tue Apr 27 23:00:00 1999
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I need your help! The Pall Specialty Materials group has begun the Membrane
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Sincerely,

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From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Wed Apr 28 23:00:00 1999
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From: Mark Wilkinson <markw@cheerful.com>
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Hi ACE-group!

I'm a "newbie" with the ACEdb system and although I have figured out how
to use the most basic features of the database there are some aspects
that I can't seem to find enough documentation on to even get started.
Two things in particular:  The Mapping classes - how are they used and
exactly what data must appear in each field in order for the maps to be
generated (and doesn't a map need to be 'rooted' somehow?).  Secondly
the Grids - the documentation available on the net appears to be for
experienced users... I can't even figure out how to begin!   What data
belongs in a 'lines at' , 'space at', 'size'... what is the difference
between 'XY labelling' and 'A1 labelling'?  What on earth is a 'virtual
row'??  the problem, clearly, is that I don't even know what the tags
*mean* so I haven't got a hope of putting the correct type of data into
them :-)

If anyone has the time to walk me through this process baby step by baby
step I would REALLY appreciate it,

TIA,

Mark Wilkinson
Max Planck Institut fuer Zuechtungsforschung



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This BIOSCI "miniFAQ" is designed to answer the questions that come up
the *most frequently*.  The main BIOSCI FAQ (Frequently Asked
Questions) is accessible on the World Wide Web at URL
http://www.bio.net/.

If you can not find an answer to your question in this or other
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We can only answer questions about the use of the newsgroups and
mailing lists.  We unfortunately do not have the staff to do Internet
information searches or answer scientific questions.  Please post
those to the appropriate BIOSCI/bionet newsgroups.


	Contents:
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	0) BIOSCI NEEDS YOUR SUPPORT!!

	1) Using the WWW to access the BIOSCI/bionet newsgroups.

	2) What to do about "spams," i.e., junk mail, ads, etc.

	3) Examples of subscribing and unsubscribing to the mailing lists.

	4) The BIOSCI user address and research interest directory.


0) BIOSCI NEEDS YOUR SUPPORT!!
------------------------------
BIOSCI's government funding has been expended, and we are now
operating solely from advertising revenue that we have raised from our
Web site at http://www.bio.net/.  We need just a few minutes of your
time to help us serve you.

You can do two important things which will take very little time for
you individually and will immensely help us continue to help you.

First, please use our WWW system at http://www.bio.net/ to access the
archives.  You can post or reply to messages via your Web browser as
described in item #1 below.  Your usage helps attract sponsors. If you
contact any of our sponsors, please be sure to thank them for
supporting BIOSCI. It is critical for them to get this feedback if
they are to continue their sponsorship for the long term.

Second, if you work for a company or organization that provides
products or services of interest to the biology community, please pass
this message on to your marketing or marketing communications
department or other appropriate group.  Please ask them to help
support BIOSCI by sponsoring our Web site and explain the uses and
benefits of the system to the biology community. If they are
interested, they can then contact us for further information at our
tech support address, biosci-help@net.bio.net.


1) Using the WWW to access the BIOSCI/bionet newsgroups.
--------------------------------------------------------
As of 10 December 1995, all BIOSCI/bionet full newsgroups are
accessible through the World Wide Web (WWW) at URL http://www.bio.net.
One can read and reply publicly or privately to both recent postings
and archived messages through one's Web browser if it is configured
properly to send e-mail.  Each newsgroup is equipped with its own WAIS
index.  The main BIOSCI home page also has access to the BIO-JOURNALS
Table of Contents database WAIS index and the BIOSCI user address
database described in another item further below.


2) What to do about "spams," i.e., junk mail, ads, etc.
-------------------------------------------------------
BIOSCI is a set of parallel USENET newsgroups (the "bionet" groups),
mailing lists, and a hypermail archive at URL http://www.bio.net/.
The same postings are distributed on all media (except for a small
number of mailing-list-only groups at net.bio.net).  Unfortunately it
is becoming a despicable practice on the Internet (by a few people out
to make a fast buck) to do automated mass postings to thousands of
newsgroups and mailing lists.  These attempts to grab free advertising
are refered to as "spams" in the usual, somewhat boneheaded, net
terminology.  USENET is more susceptible to this practice, and many
spams originate on the USENET groups and then are passed on to the
mailing lists.  However, spammers also get lists of mailing addresses
and hit these too, so neither medium is immune.

What should you do personally if you get junk mail?
---------------------------------------------------
Just delete it and move on without reading it further.  Filing a
protest is becoming increasingly useless because spammers are often
disguising the addresses where the messages are sent from.  Unless you
really understand Internet mail systems, your attempt at protest by
sending replies to the message will often end up being sent to the
address of an innocent person that the spammer is victimizing.

What can BIOSCI/bionet do to protect its newsgroups?
----------------------------------------------------
The only solution currently available is to moderate the newsgroup.
If this newsgroup is already moderated, then you are in good shape.
Moderation protects the USENET distribution from about 95% of the
spams that are being sent to date and protects the mailing lists
completely.  Moderation means, however, that someone has to take the
time to review each message before it goes out.  We have set up
software here that simply allows the moderator to forward to an
address at net.bio.net messages that (s)he wishes to have distributed.
This takes no more time than that needed to read the message and pass
it on, say about 1 min. per message.

Most newsgroups currently have a discussion leader who is responsible
for their newsgroup.  The discussions leaders and their e-mail
addresses are listed in the BIOSCI Information Sheet which is
available on the Web at http://www.bio.net/.  If a newsgroup is being
hit with too many junk postings, please contact the discussion leader
for that group and see if there is interest in moderating the group.
Please do not assume that by simply posting a complaint to the
newsgroup itself, anyone on the BIOSCI staff will act on your
complaint.  With close to 100 newsgroups to run, the BIOSCI staff has
to rely on the discussion leaders of each newsgroup to report problems
directly to us at biosci-help@net.bio.net.

We will moderate any of our newsgroups if the discussion leader tells
us that the readership of the group wishes to do so and if a moderator
is willing to do the work.  For most BIOSCI/bionet groups, this
entails only a few minutes of work each day.

Moderating a newsgroup will resolve probably 95% of the junk postings
on the USENET distribution.  Unfortunately there are easy ways for
determined spammers to override the moderation mechanism on USENET,
but we can protect our e-mail subscribers from unwanted postings if
the newsgroup is moderated.  You can also access our newsgroups over
the WWW at URL http://www.bio.net.  While this Web interface will not
stop spammers from trying to post to the groups, this will give you
yet another way, besides using USENET news, to keep the junk out of
your personal mail files.  For those of you with local USENET news
systems, the Web interface will also give you faster access to new
newsgroups and recent postings.


3) Examples of subscribing and unsubscribing to the mailing lists.
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PLEASE NOTE: The BIOSCI management does NOT act on
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newsgroups and mailing lists.  People who do this only bother everyone
on the lists to no avail.  Please be sure to follow the proper
procedures below.

Gory details are in the BIOSCI Information sheets on the Web at
http://www.bio.net.  Below we give an example utilizing the
METHODS-AND-REAGENTS list at both of our two BIOSCI sites:

Users in the Americas and Pacific Rim countries who use the BIOSCI
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A) Determine the "listname" which is the <=8 character mail address
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   for the group.  These can be found in the BIOSCI Info. Sheet.  For
   the METHODS-AND-REAGENTS group the mailing address is
   methods@net.bio.net.  The listname is the portion of the address to
   the left of the @ sign, i.e., "methods".  The listname is used with
   the "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" commands illustrated below.

B) Mail all commands in the body of a mail message addressed to
   biosci-server@net.bio.net.  Do NOT send commands to the newsgroup
   posting addresses!  Leave the Subject: line blank, any text on it
   will be ignored.

C) In the body of your message put one or more of the following
   commands with an "end" command on the last line, e.g.,

   subscribe methods
   unsubscribe methods
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   Do NOT put your e-mail address or other text on these lines.  The
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   Please ask for help at biosci-help@net.bio.net if your address has
   changed, e.g., if you know you are on the list but the server tells
   you that you are not a member.


Users in Europe, Africa, and Central Asia who use the BIOSCI node at
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To subscribe and unsubscribe to/from the BIOSCI lists, you need to
specify the full USENET newsgroup name with "bionet-news." prepended.
The USENET newsgroup names are listed in the BIOSCI Information sheet
on the Web at http://www.bio.net/.  For the METHODS-AND-REAGENTS list
the USENET newsgroup name is bionet.molbio.methds-reagnts, thus the
appropriate commands are

    sub bionet-news.bionet.molbio.methds-reagnts

    unsub bionet-news.bionet.molbio.methds-reagnts

These commands are included in a message addressed to mxt@dl.ac.uk,
NOT to the newsgroup mailing addresses.  As usual, include the text in
the body of the message as text on the Subject: line is ignored.

To unsubscribe from all the lists at the UK node, use

    unsub bionet-news

Please note that if the address in the list is different than the one
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this method. If you have problems, please mail biosci@daresbury.ac.uk.


4) The BIOSCI user address and research interest directory.
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Please take this opportunity to add your name, address, and research
interest information to the BIOSCI User Address Database if you have
not already done so.

You can fill out the address form directly through our Web page at URL
http://www.bio.net/adrform.html.

The address database is reindexed nightly for WWW access (the URL is
http://www.bio.net/).  If you are not directly on the Internet but can
reach it by e-mail, please use our waismail server to access the user
directory.  waismail use is described above.  You can also request a
user address form by e-mail from biosci-help@net.bio.net.

Please check your database entry from time-to-time to see if your
address information is still up-to-date.  Because of our limited
personnel resources, we ask that you resubmit a *complete* form to
revise your entry; we only replace complete entries and do not have
resources to edit old forms.


