From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Thu Jul 01 08:00:00 1999 Path: biosci!internet!biosci!not-for-mail From: biohelp (BIOSCI Administrator) Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: BIOSCI/bionet miniFAQ & Fundraiser Date: 1 Jul 1999 02:00:19 -0700 Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Molecular Biology Lines: 233 Sender: daemon@net.bio.net Distribution: world Message-ID: <199907010900.CAA01368@net.bio.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: net.bio.net (LAST REVISION: 30-JUL-95) This BIOSCI "miniFAQ" is designed to answer the questions that come up the *most frequently*. The main BIOSCI FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) is accessible on the World Wide Web at URL http://www.bio.net/. If you can not find an answer to your question in this or other documentation, the BIOSCI technical support staff answers e-mail queries sent to biosci-help@net.bio.net We can only answer questions about the use of the newsgroups and mailing lists. We unfortunately do not have the staff to do Internet information searches or answer scientific questions. Please post those to the appropriate BIOSCI/bionet newsgroups. Contents: -------- 0) BIOSCI NEEDS YOUR SUPPORT!! 1) Using the WWW to access the BIOSCI/bionet newsgroups. 2) What to do about "spams," i.e., junk mail, ads, etc. 3) Examples of subscribing and unsubscribing to the mailing lists. 4) The BIOSCI user address and research interest directory. 0) BIOSCI NEEDS YOUR SUPPORT!! ------------------------------ BIOSCI's government funding has been expended, and we are now operating solely from advertising revenue that we have raised from our Web site at http://www.bio.net/. We need just a few minutes of your time to help us serve you. You can do two important things which will take very little time for you individually and will immensely help us continue to help you. First, please use our WWW system at http://www.bio.net/ to access the archives. You can post or reply to messages via your Web browser as described in item #1 below. Your usage helps attract sponsors. If you contact any of our sponsors, please be sure to thank them for supporting BIOSCI. It is critical for them to get this feedback if they are to continue their sponsorship for the long term. Second, if you work for a company or organization that provides products or services of interest to the biology community, please pass this message on to your marketing or marketing communications department or other appropriate group. Please ask them to help support BIOSCI by sponsoring our Web site and explain the uses and benefits of the system to the biology community. If they are interested, they can then contact us for further information at our tech support address, biosci-help@net.bio.net. 1) Using the WWW to access the BIOSCI/bionet newsgroups. -------------------------------------------------------- As of 10 December 1995, all BIOSCI/bionet full newsgroups are accessible through the World Wide Web (WWW) at URL http://www.bio.net. One can read and reply publicly or privately to both recent postings and archived messages through one's Web browser if it is configured properly to send e-mail. Each newsgroup is equipped with its own WAIS index. The main BIOSCI home page also has access to the BIO-JOURNALS Table of Contents database WAIS index and the BIOSCI user address database described in another item further below. 2) What to do about "spams," i.e., junk mail, ads, etc. ------------------------------------------------------- BIOSCI is a set of parallel USENET newsgroups (the "bionet" groups), mailing lists, and a hypermail archive at URL http://www.bio.net/. The same postings are distributed on all media (except for a small number of mailing-list-only groups at net.bio.net). Unfortunately it is becoming a despicable practice on the Internet (by a few people out to make a fast buck) to do automated mass postings to thousands of newsgroups and mailing lists. These attempts to grab free advertising are refered to as "spams" in the usual, somewhat boneheaded, net terminology. USENET is more susceptible to this practice, and many spams originate on the USENET groups and then are passed on to the mailing lists. However, spammers also get lists of mailing addresses and hit these too, so neither medium is immune. What should you do personally if you get junk mail? --------------------------------------------------- Just delete it and move on without reading it further. Filing a protest is becoming increasingly useless because spammers are often disguising the addresses where the messages are sent from. Unless you really understand Internet mail systems, your attempt at protest by sending replies to the message will often end up being sent to the address of an innocent person that the spammer is victimizing. What can BIOSCI/bionet do to protect its newsgroups? ---------------------------------------------------- The only solution currently available is to moderate the newsgroup. If this newsgroup is already moderated, then you are in good shape. Moderation protects the USENET distribution from about 95% of the spams that are being sent to date and protects the mailing lists completely. Moderation means, however, that someone has to take the time to review each message before it goes out. We have set up software here that simply allows the moderator to forward to an address at net.bio.net messages that (s)he wishes to have distributed. This takes no more time than that needed to read the message and pass it on, say about 1 min. per message. Most newsgroups currently have a discussion leader who is responsible for their newsgroup. The discussions leaders and their e-mail addresses are listed in the BIOSCI Information Sheet which is available on the Web at http://www.bio.net/. If a newsgroup is being hit with too many junk postings, please contact the discussion leader for that group and see if there is interest in moderating the group. Please do not assume that by simply posting a complaint to the newsgroup itself, anyone on the BIOSCI staff will act on your complaint. With close to 100 newsgroups to run, the BIOSCI staff has to rely on the discussion leaders of each newsgroup to report problems directly to us at biosci-help@net.bio.net. We will moderate any of our newsgroups if the discussion leader tells us that the readership of the group wishes to do so and if a moderator is willing to do the work. For most BIOSCI/bionet groups, this entails only a few minutes of work each day. Moderating a newsgroup will resolve probably 95% of the junk postings on the USENET distribution. Unfortunately there are easy ways for determined spammers to override the moderation mechanism on USENET, but we can protect our e-mail subscribers from unwanted postings if the newsgroup is moderated. You can also access our newsgroups over the WWW at URL http://www.bio.net. While this Web interface will not stop spammers from trying to post to the groups, this will give you yet another way, besides using USENET news, to keep the junk out of your personal mail files. For those of you with local USENET news systems, the Web interface will also give you faster access to new newsgroups and recent postings. 3) Examples of subscribing and unsubscribing to the mailing lists. ------------------------------------------------------------------ PLEASE NOTE: The BIOSCI management does NOT act on subscription/unsubscription requests that are posted improperly to the newsgroups and mailing lists. People who do this only bother everyone on the lists to no avail. Please be sure to follow the proper procedures below. Gory details are in the BIOSCI Information sheets on the Web at http://www.bio.net. Below we give an example utilizing the METHODS-AND-REAGENTS list at both of our two BIOSCI sites: Users in the Americas and Pacific Rim countries who use the BIOSCI ------------------------------------------------------------------ node at computer net.bio.net: ---------------------------- A) Determine the "listname" which is the <=8 character mail address ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ for the group. These can be found in the BIOSCI Info. Sheet. For the METHODS-AND-REAGENTS group the mailing address is methods@net.bio.net. The listname is the portion of the address to the left of the @ sign, i.e., "methods". The listname is used with the "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" commands illustrated below. B) Mail all commands in the body of a mail message addressed to biosci-server@net.bio.net. Do NOT send commands to the newsgroup posting addresses! Leave the Subject: line blank, any text on it will be ignored. C) In the body of your message put one or more of the following commands with an "end" command on the last line, e.g., subscribe methods unsubscribe methods end Do NOT put your e-mail address or other text on these lines. The server only allows you to cancel your subscription if the address on your mail header matches the address on our mailing list. Please ask for help at biosci-help@net.bio.net if your address has changed, e.g., if you know you are on the list but the server tells you that you are not a member. Users in Europe, Africa, and Central Asia who use the BIOSCI node at -------------------------------------------------------------------- computer daresbury.ac.uk (also known as dl.ac.uk): ------------------------------------------------- To subscribe and unsubscribe to/from the BIOSCI lists, you need to specify the full USENET newsgroup name with "bionet-news." prepended. The USENET newsgroup names are listed in the BIOSCI Information sheet on the Web at http://www.bio.net/. For the METHODS-AND-REAGENTS list the USENET newsgroup name is bionet.molbio.methds-reagnts, thus the appropriate commands are sub bionet-news.bionet.molbio.methds-reagnts unsub bionet-news.bionet.molbio.methds-reagnts These commands are included in a message addressed to mxt@dl.ac.uk, NOT to the newsgroup mailing addresses. As usual, include the text in the body of the message as text on the Subject: line is ignored. To unsubscribe from all the lists at the UK node, use unsub bionet-news Please note that if the address in the list is different than the one in your mail message header, you will not be able to unsubscribe by this method. If you have problems, please mail biosci@daresbury.ac.uk. 4) The BIOSCI user address and research interest directory. ----------------------------------------------------------- Please take this opportunity to add your name, address, and research interest information to the BIOSCI User Address Database if you have not already done so. You can fill out the address form directly through our Web page at URL http://www.bio.net/adrform.html. The address database is reindexed nightly for WWW access (the URL is http://www.bio.net/). If you are not directly on the Internet but can reach it by e-mail, please use our waismail server to access the user directory. waismail use is described above. You can also request a user address form by e-mail from biosci-help@net.bio.net. Please check your database entry from time-to-time to see if your address information is still up-to-date. Because of our limited personnel resources, we ask that you resubmit a *complete* form to revise your entry; we only replace complete entries and do not have resources to edit old forms. From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Fri Jul 02 13:36:00 1999 Path: biosci!news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.amsterdam.nl.net!sun4nl!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!do.de.uu.net!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-han1.dfn.de!news.gwdg.de!not-for-mail From: Mark Wilkinson Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: Re: ACeDB Workshop? Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 14:55:50 +0200 Organization: MPIZ-Koeln Lines: 23 Message-ID: <377CB6D6.8D1ADC45@cheerful.com> References: <7kqfpi$44l$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pczs01.mpiz-koeln.mpg.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en http://www.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk/About/Courses/comp.acedb.course1999.html I went to the one last month and it was fantastic! Highly recommended! Mark zgudmunt@my-deja.com wrote: > I have seen on the AceDoc-pages that the last ACeDB Workshop was held > in 1997 and in 1995 before that. I was wondering when the next one is > planned. Is it this year (biannual) or is it just whenever people feel > like it? > I think I would be very interested in attending such a workshop, is it > a closed session or an open one? > > Thanks > > Gudmundur > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Sat Jul 03 01:23:00 1999 Path: biosci!agate!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp.flash.net!news.flash.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <377D7476.F1F034D1@u.arizona.edu> From: Paul Muhlrad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,de MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: Re: ACeDB Workshop? References: <7kqfpi$44l$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <377CB6D6.8D1ADC45@cheerful.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 39 Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 02:16:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.30.159.15 X-Complaints-To: abuse@flash.net X-Trace: news.flash.net 930968205 209.30.159.15 (Fri, 02 Jul 1999 21:16:45 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 21:16:45 CDT Organization: FlashNet Communications, http://www.flash.net Anyone know when the next one will be? Sylvia? Paul Muhlrad Mark Wilkinson wrote: > http://www.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk/About/Courses/comp.acedb.course1999.html > > I went to the one last month and it was fantastic! Highly recommended! > > Mark > > zgudmunt@my-deja.com wrote: > > > I have seen on the AceDoc-pages that the last ACeDB Workshop was held > > in 1997 and in 1995 before that. I was wondering when the next one is > > planned. Is it this year (biannual) or is it just whenever people feel > > like it? > > I think I would be very interested in attending such a workshop, is it > > a closed session or an open one? > > > > Thanks > > > > Gudmundur > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. -- Paul Muhlrad University of Arizona, Department of Molecular and Cellular Biology 415 Life Sciences South 1007 E. 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For info, send email with subject info800 to diet4diet@bigfoot.com For list removal, send email with subject remove to same as above 21985614554+5 7541e41gf From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Thu Jul 08 15:10:00 1999 Path: biosci!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.amsterdam.nl.net!sun4nl!newsfeed.tli.de!do.de.uu.net!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news1-gui.server.ntli.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!server4.netnews.ja.net!server2.netnews.ja.net!hgmp.mrc.ac.uk!biosci From: daj@nhm.ac.uk (David Johnston) Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: Acedb 4.7 install problems Date: 8 Jul 1999 17:04:47 +0100 Organization: MRC Human Genome Mapping Project Resource Centre Lines: 45 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Trace: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk 931449888 20301 193.62.192.80 (8 Jul 1999 16:04:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jul 1999 16:04:48 GMT X-Received: from mserv1.dl.ac.uk (root@mserv1.dl.ac.uk [148.79.160.65]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27658 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 17:04:44 +0100 (BST) X-Received: from pat.nhm.ac.uk (pat.nhm.ac.uk [157.140.2.2]) by mserv1.dl.ac.uk with ESMTP id RAA21455 (8.8.8/5.4[ref postmaster@dl.ac.uk] for dl.ac.uk from daj@nhm.ac.uk); Thu, 8 Jul 1999 17:04:44 +0100 (BST) X-Precedence: first-class X-Received: from daj2.nhm.ac.uk ([157.140.1.80]) by pat.nhm.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 112Gg3-0006J2-00 for acedb@dl.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 17:05:35 +0100 X-Sender: daj@mailserver.nhm.ac.uk X-To: acedb@dl.ac.uk Hi, I have been trying to install Ace 4.7 on our (solaris) unix box, and have had problems. (I can install and run 4.5 with no problems) With 4_7g, the install script crashes out after the "starting the installation, hit return to procede", reporting "for each: No match" With 4.7f, the install script runs fine but when I start up ACE, it crashes after the opening credits and before the windows appear, giving the message "ld.so.1: xace: fatal: relocation error: symbol not found: XtAppAddSignal: referenced in xace Killed" A colleague suggests that this is possibly some conflict between ACE and a linker program that handles C code but as a unix novice I don't know where to start on that. Any suggestions / advice would be gratefully received David A. 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So don't go complaining. //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Please Remove at mailto:oip88@uymail.com?subject=remove //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Tue Jul 13 15:23:00 1999 Path: biosci!news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.flash.net!news.flash.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <378B6888.531A3D2@u.arizona.edu> From: Paul Muhlrad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,de MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: This newsgroup is lousy. It should disband Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 16:17:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.30.158.169 X-Complaints-To: abuse@flash.net X-Trace: news.flash.net 931882633 209.30.158.169 (Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:17:13 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:17:13 CDT Organization: FlashNet Communications, http://www.flash.net I don't know why I even follow this NG anymore. It's 99% spam. Meanwhile, I still haven't gotten an answer to my ACeDB question I posted a few weeks ago. I suggest disbanding bionet.software.acedb and finding a less public forum for discussing acedb. Paul Muhlrad -- Paul Muhlrad University of Arizona, Department of Molecular and Cellular Biology 415 Life Sciences South 1007 E. Lowell Street, Tucson, AZ 85721 (520) 621-9135 phone | (520) 621-3709 fax http://www.u.arizona.edu/~pmuhlrad http://www.mcb.arizona.edu/wardlab From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Tue Jul 13 15:29:00 1999 Path: biosci!BNL.GOV!crockett From: crockett@BNL.GOV ("William C. Crockett") Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: Unsubscripe Date: 13 Jul 1999 09:29:50 -0700 Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Molecular Biology Lines: 4 Sender: daemon@net.bio.net Distribution: world Message-ID: <378B67EC.E45F0A07@bnl.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: net.bio.net I really need to unsubscribe to this group. Can someone tell me how? Willy crockett@bnl.gov From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Tue Jul 13 16:17:00 1999 Path: biosci!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!news-out-b.news.pipex.net.MISMATCH!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!server1.netnews.ja.net!pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk!hgmp.mrc.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Sylvia Martinelli Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: Re: ACeDB Workshop? Date: 13 Jul 1999 18:10:49 +0100 Organization: The Sanger Centre Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <7kqfpi$44l$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <377CB6D6.8D1ADC45@cheerful.com> <377D7476.F1F034D1@u.arizona.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: seil.sanger.ac.uk X-Trace: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk 931885860 14314 193.60.84.46 (13 Jul 1999 17:11:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Jul 1999 17:11:00 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 What do you mean by ACEDB workshop ? My 3 day course for curators/administrators is usually run in December or January, following a June one. I see that HGMP have not timetabled one for this winter yet. They will probably not do so until some-one asks for one. The 2 week workshop on ACEDB for developers was held last in 1997. There maybe one in Vancouver in 2000 after a HUGO meeting. sylvia -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Dr.Sylvia D. Martinelli phone 01223 494971 (C. elegans database) fax 01223 494919 Informatics Sanger Centre Wellcome Trust Genome Campus Hinxton Cambridge CB10 1SA URL http://www.sanger.ac.uk/Users/sylvia/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Wed Jul 14 07:03:00 1999 Path: biosci!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!server1.netnews.ja.net!hgmp.mrc.ac.uk!pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Tim Cutts Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: Re: This newsgroup is lousy. It should disband Date: 14 Jul 1999 08:53:54 +0100 (BST) Organization: Linux Unlimited Message-ID: References: <378B6888.531A3D2@u.arizona.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: rrw1000.sel.cam.ac.uk Originator: timc@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk ([127.0.0.1]) Lines: 33 In article <378B6888.531A3D2@u.arizona.edu>, Paul Muhlrad wrote: >I don't know why I even follow this NG anymore. It's 99% spam. >Meanwhile, I still haven't gotten an answer to my ACeDB question I >posted a few weeks ago. I suggest disbanding bionet.software.acedb and >finding a less public forum for discussing acedb. Most low-volume newsgroups are 99% spam. It's nothing special to this group. There are a couple of solutions to this problem, neither of which involve disbanding the newsgroup, which I think would be a bad thing. 1) Use a newsreader that allows you to kill articles that are obvious spam. For instance, mine automatically discards any message cross-posted to more than five newsgroups, or with certain phrases in the title, particularly XXX and $$$. I'm also looking into killing articles based on obvious garbage e-mail addresses. Many newsreaders will do this for you. See www.newsreaders.com for detailed lists of newsreaders available for various computer platforms. 2) We could moderate the newsgroup, so that postings have to be approved by a moderator. This involves someone volunteering, and a vote being taken. I'm not sure how one goes about this, I'm not that much of a Usenet expert. The fact that no-one answered your post is unfortunate, but maybe no-one knew the answer. I expect the regular readership of this group is very low (possibly a couple of hundred people world-wide) so this is quite likely. If this were a mailing list rather than a newsgroup, I don't see why that would change. Tim. From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Wed Jul 14 11:55:00 1999 Path: biosci!news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsfeed.tli.de!news.algonet.se!algonet!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!server1.netnews.ja.net!pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk!hgmp.mrc.ac.uk!biosci From: mieg@alpha.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr (Danielle et jean Thierry-Mieg) Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: Cutts Date: 14 Jul 1999 13:49:38 +0100 Organization: MRC Human Genome Mapping Project Resource Centre Lines: 15 Message-ID: <199907141249.OAA00471@alpha.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk X-Trace: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk 931956578 28067 193.62.192.80 (14 Jul 1999 12:49:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jul 1999 12:49:38 GMT X-Received: from mserv1.dl.ac.uk (root@mserv1.dl.ac.uk [148.79.160.65]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA21216 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:49:35 +0100 (BST) X-Received: from xerxes.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr (root@xerxes.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr [193.49.189.10]) by mserv1.dl.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA07603 (8.8.8/5.4[ref postmaster@dl.ac.uk] for dl.ac.uk from mieg@alpha.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr); Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:49:36 +0100 (BST) X-Precedence: first-class X-Received: from eta.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr (IDENT:root@eta [193.49.189.67]) by xerxes.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id OAA23441 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:48:30 +0200 X-Received: from alpha.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr (alpha.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr [193.49.189.71]) by eta.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id OAA05561 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:49:33 +0200 X-Received: from (mieg@localhost) by alpha.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id OAA00471 for acedb@dl.ac.uk; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:49:32 +0200 (MET DST) X-To: acedb@dl.ac.uk i would like this newsgroup to continue and i usally try to answer quuestions when they come i do receive spam, but not mostly trhu the newsgroup which i myself get via email by the way Ed Griffith and I are just now rewritting the acedb server to talk sockets rather than rpc, with the probable benefit that the server will talk directly to windows and macs and be easier to maintain, we hope, on unix yours jean --- From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Wed Jul 14 12:37:00 1999 Path: biosci!BNL.GOV!crockett From: crockett@BNL.GOV ("William C. Crockett") Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: No more please Date: 14 Jul 1999 06:37:38 -0700 Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Molecular Biology Lines: 8 Sender: daemon@net.bio.net Distribution: world Message-ID: <378C910E.BA3596CF@bnl.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: net.bio.net I want to unsubscribe from this list. I send the unsubscribe message to biosci-server@net.bio.net and it tells me that I am not a member. Well I kown better. How in the blasers do I get off of this list? Willy From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Wed Jul 14 14:34:00 1999 Path: biosci!GENOME.STANFORD.EDU!cherry From: cherry@GENOME.STANFORD.EDU (Mike Cherry) Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: Re: This newsgroup is lousy. It should disband Date: 14 Jul 1999 08:34:02 -0700 Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Molecular Biology Lines: 58 Sender: daemon@net.bio.net Distribution: world Message-ID: <199907141527.IAA15893@fafner.Stanford.EDU> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: net.bio.net > > In article <378B6888.531A3D2@u.arizona.edu>, > Paul Muhlrad wrote: > >I don't know why I even follow this NG anymore. It's 99% spam. > >Meanwhile, I still haven't gotten an answer to my ACeDB question I > >posted a few weeks ago. I suggest disbanding bionet.software.acedb and > >finding a less public forum for discussing acedb. > > Most low-volume newsgroups are 99% spam. It's nothing special to this > group. Good Point. SPAM is part of newsgroups and email. Lots of people complain about it but no one has made a difference. > There are a couple of solutions to this problem, neither of which > involve disbanding the newsgroup, which I think would be a bad thing. > > 1) Use a newsreader that allows you to kill articles that are obvious > spam. For instance, mine automatically discards any message cross-posted to > more than five newsgroups, or with certain phrases in the title, > particularly XXX and $$$. I'm also looking into killing articles > based on obvious garbage e-mail addresses. Many newsreaders will do > this for you. See www.newsreaders.com for detailed lists of > newsreaders available for various computer platforms. This is common. I personnally use procmail on UNIX to filter incoming email that I don't like into /dev/null. I also have no probably using the 'd' (delete) key in my mail program. > 2) We could moderate the newsgroup, so that postings have to be > approved by a moderator. This involves someone volunteering, and a > vote being taken. I'm not sure how one goes about this, I'm not that > much of a Usenet expert. Many, maybe most, BioSci newsgroups are now moderated. The moderation seems to work well. The yeast and Arabidopsis lists are both moderated. The folks providing BioSci have a procedure for changing a group to moderation. It requires a volunteer and then a vote. > The fact that no-one answered your post is unfortunate, but maybe > no-one knew the answer. I expect the regular readership of this group > is very low (possibly a couple of hundred people world-wide) so this > is quite likely. If this were a mailing list rather than a newsgroup, > I don't see why that would change. I've asked many questions to newsgroups and mailing lists over the past >10 years. The number of times I got an answer or even a reply would be about 50%. Sometimes its a hard question, sometimes its too specific, sometimes its too simple so no one takes the time to answer. All this is part of these lists. If you get no answer ask the list again or ask someone specific. Maybe its me but I don't always get answers when I ask people in person so I don't except any magic from these electronic lists. > Tim. > Mike From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Wed Jul 14 14:38:00 1999 Path: biosci!GENOME.STANFORD.EDU!cherry From: cherry@GENOME.STANFORD.EDU (Mike Cherry) Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: Re: No more please Date: 14 Jul 1999 08:38:05 -0700 Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Molecular Biology Lines: 54 Sender: daemon@net.bio.net Distribution: world Message-ID: <199907141532.IAA16441@fafner.Stanford.EDU> References: <378C910E.BA3596CF@bnl.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: net.bio.net > > I want to unsubscribe from this list. I send the unsubscribe message > to biosci-server@net.bio.net > and it tells me that I am not a member. 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From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Wed Jul 14 16:12:00 1999 Path: biosci!news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!easynet-tele!easynet.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!server1.netnews.ja.net!pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk!hgmp.mrc.ac.uk!biosci From: mieg@alpha.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr (Danielle et jean Thierry-Mieg) Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: acedb workshops Date: 14 Jul 1999 18:06:29 +0100 Organization: MRC Human Genome Mapping Project Resource Centre Message-ID: <199907141706.TAA00591@alpha.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk X-Trace: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk 931971990 1118 193.62.192.80 (14 Jul 1999 17:06:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jul 1999 17:06:30 GMT X-Received: from mserv1.dl.ac.uk (root@mserv1.dl.ac.uk [148.79.160.65]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08681 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 18:06:27 +0100 (BST) X-Received: from xerxes.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr (root@xerxes.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr [193.49.189.10]) by mserv1.dl.ac.uk with ESMTP id SAA19090 (8.8.8/5.4[ref postmaster@dl.ac.uk] for dl.ac.uk from mieg@alpha.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr); Wed, 14 Jul 1999 18:06:35 +0100 (BST) X-Precedence: first-class X-Received: from eta.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr (IDENT:root@eta [193.49.189.67]) by xerxes.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id TAA24221 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:05:23 +0200 X-Received: from alpha.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr (alpha.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr [193.49.189.71]) by eta.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id TAA06298 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:06:26 +0200 X-Received: from (mieg@localhost) by alpha.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id TAA00591 for acedb@dl.ac.uk; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:06:25 +0200 (MET DST) X-To: acedb@dl.ac.uk Lines: 20 Following the question by Paul Muhlrad indeed there has been no acedb workshop since Cornell 2 years ago the development of acedb is continuing and there is a possibility of organizing a workshop in vancouver around june 2000 at the time of the HUGO conference among the people still using this newsgroup who maight be interested to come and what format would you recommend 3 days. one week. 2 weeks as we did a few times if 2 weeks may be then not at the time of the HUGO --- thank you very much for any positive or negative reply they would all be useful Jean --- From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Wed Jul 14 17:17:00 1999 Path: biosci!news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp.flash.net!news.flash.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <378CD472.5AD0B02A@u.arizona.edu> From: Paul Muhlrad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,de MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: Re: acedb workshops References: <199907141706.TAA00591@alpha.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 45 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 18:10:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.30.158.55 X-Complaints-To: abuse@flash.net X-Trace: news.flash.net 931975853 209.30.158.55 (Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:10:53 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:10:53 CDT Organization: FlashNet Communications, http://www.flash.net Jean, Thanks for posing the question. I might be interested in attending the Vancouver workshop. I'm not sure how long it should be--however long it would take to learn the program to use it effectively. There was a very positive post on the newsgroup about the workshop held in England, so that would probably be a good model to use. Maybe it could be held in conjunction with one of the regional worm meetings next summer. Paul Danielle et jean Thierry-Mieg wrote: > Following the question by Paul Muhlrad > indeed there has been no acedb workshop since Cornell 2 years ago > > the development of acedb is continuing and there is a possibility > of organizing a workshop in vancouver around june 2000 at the > time of the HUGO conference > > among the people still using this newsgroup > who maight be interested to come and what format would you > recommend > 3 days. one week. 2 weeks as we did a few times > if 2 weeks may be then not at the time of the HUGO > > --- > > thank you very much for any positive or negative reply > they would all be useful > > Jean > --- -- Paul Muhlrad University of Arizona, Department of Molecular and Cellular Biology 415 Life Sciences South 1007 E. Lowell Street, Tucson, AZ 85721 (520) 621-9135 phone | (520) 621-3709 fax http://www.u.arizona.edu/~pmuhlrad http://www.mcb.arizona.edu/wardlab From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Wed Jul 14 23:08:00 1999 Path: biosci!GREENGENES.CIT.CORNELL.EDU!matthews From: matthews@GREENGENES.CIT.CORNELL.EDU ("Dave Matthews") Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: sort order Date: 14 Jul 1999 17:08:05 -0700 Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Molecular Biology Lines: 4 Sender: daemon@net.bio.net Distribution: world Message-ID: <9907150002.AA06634@greengenes.cit.cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: net.bio.net ACEDB sorts ABC9 as being before ABC10, which is exactly the right thing to do. How do you do that?? I don't know any other software that can. - Dave From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Thu Jul 15 08:36:00 1999 From: zgudmunt@my-deja.com Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: Re: what is a workshop Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:22:50 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 38 Message-ID: <7mk993$b4c$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7kqfpi$44l$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <377CB6D6.8D1ADC45@cheerful.com> <377D7476.F1F034D1@u.arizona.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.4.196.222 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jul 15 09:22:50 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 proxy.decode.is:8080 (Squid/2.1.PATCH2), 1.0 x36.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 172.18.253.134, 193.4.196.222 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDzgudmunt Path: biosci!news.ic.sunysb.edu!news-nysernet-16.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail What I originally meant with "workshop" was the big conference-style workshop like ACE'95, but I have since found out about your course. I may very well be interested in attending that course next year. HUGO + ACeDB also sounds very interesting indeed! Thanks for the info Gudmundur In article , Sylvia Martinelli wrote: > What do you mean by ACEDB workshop ? > > My 3 day course for curators/administrators is usually > run in December or January, following a June one. > I see that HGMP have not timetabled one for this winter yet. > They will probably not do so until some-one asks for one. > > The 2 week workshop on ACEDB for developers was held last in 1997. > There maybe one in Vancouver in 2000 after a HUGO meeting. > > sylvia > -- > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Dr.Sylvia D. Martinelli phone 01223 494971 > (C. elegans database) fax 01223 494919 > Informatics > Sanger Centre > Wellcome Trust Genome Campus > Hinxton > Cambridge CB10 1SA > URL http://www.sanger.ac.uk/Users/sylvia/ > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Thu Jul 15 08:46:00 1999 From: zgudmunt@my-deja.com Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: Re: This newsgroup is lousy. It should disband Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:31:39 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 92 Message-ID: <7mk9ps$b96$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <199907141527.IAA15893@fafner.Stanford.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.4.196.222 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jul 15 09:31:39 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 proxy.decode.is:8080 (Squid/2.1.PATCH2), 1.0 x39.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 172.18.253.134, 193.4.196.222 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDzgudmunt Path: biosci!news.ic.sunysb.edu!news-nysernet-16.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!netnews.com!news.idt.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail I agree with the two repliers to the original message. Spam IS everywhere, but I don´t find it troubles me since I use Deja.com and just open the messages with a relevant header (NOT "Double your money!" or "Future profit !!",,,etc.). I do, however agree with the original message that the answers sometimes come slow on this list, particularily when you´re a novice (which I pretty much am too)but as has been said, it´s a small list, a couple of hundred perhaps. Gudmundur In article <199907141527.IAA15893@fafner.Stanford.EDU>, cherry@GENOME.STANFORD.EDU (Mike Cherry) wrote: > > > > In article <378B6888.531A3D2@u.arizona.edu>, > > Paul Muhlrad wrote: > > >I don't know why I even follow this NG anymore. It's 99% spam. > > >Meanwhile, I still haven't gotten an answer to my ACeDB question I > > >posted a few weeks ago. I suggest disbanding bionet.software.acedb and > > >finding a less public forum for discussing acedb. > > > > Most low-volume newsgroups are 99% spam. It's nothing special to this > > group. > > Good Point. SPAM is part of newsgroups and email. Lots of people complain > about it but no one has made a difference. > > > There are a couple of solutions to this problem, neither of which > > involve disbanding the newsgroup, which I think would be a bad thing. > > > > 1) Use a newsreader that allows you to kill articles that are obvious > > spam. For instance, mine automatically discards any message cross-posted to > > more than five newsgroups, or with certain phrases in the title, > > particularly XXX and $$$. I'm also looking into killing articles > > based on obvious garbage e-mail addresses. Many newsreaders will do > > this for you. See www.newsreaders.com for detailed lists of > > newsreaders available for various computer platforms. > > This is common. I personnally use procmail on UNIX to filter incoming > email that I don't like into /dev/null. I also have no probably using > the 'd' (delete) key in my mail program. > > > 2) We could moderate the newsgroup, so that postings have to be > > approved by a moderator. This involves someone volunteering, and a > > vote being taken. I'm not sure how one goes about this, I'm not that > > much of a Usenet expert. > > Many, maybe most, BioSci newsgroups are now moderated. The moderation > seems to work well. The yeast and Arabidopsis lists are both moderated. > The folks providing BioSci have a procedure for changing a group to > moderation. It requires a volunteer and then a vote. > > > The fact that no-one answered your post is unfortunate, but maybe > > no-one knew the answer. I expect the regular readership of this group > > is very low (possibly a couple of hundred people world-wide) so this > > is quite likely. If this were a mailing list rather than a newsgroup, > > I don't see why that would change. > > I've asked many questions to newsgroups and mailing lists over the > past >10 years. The number of times I got an answer or even a reply > would be about 50%. Sometimes its a hard question, sometimes its too > specific, sometimes its too simple so no one takes the time to answer. > All this is part of these lists. If you get no answer ask the list > again or ask someone specific. Maybe its me but I don't always get > answers when I ask people in person so I don't except any magic from > these electronic lists. > > > Tim. > > > > Mike > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Thu Jul 15 08:56:00 1999 Path: biosci!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: zgudmunt@my-deja.com Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: Re: Cutts, acedb server rewriting Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:35:27 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <7mka0v$bb9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <199907141249.OAA00471@alpha.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.4.196.222 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jul 15 09:35:27 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 proxy.decode.is:8080 (Squid/2.1.PATCH2), 1.0 x41.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 172.18.253.134, 193.4.196.222 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDzgudmunt When can we expect an update to ACeDB, or at least to the server that you are rewriting? The server and connecting to it via AcePerl or other network interfaces (most notably Jade) is pretty much my cup of tea over here in Iceland. Gudmundur In article <199907141249.OAA00471@alpha.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr>, mieg@alpha.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr (Danielle et jean Thierry-Mieg) wrote: > i would like this newsgroup to continue > and i usally try to answer quuestions when they come > i do receive spam, but not mostly trhu the newsgroup which i myself > get via email > > by the way > Ed Griffith and I are just now rewritting the acedb server to talk sockets > rather than rpc, with the probable benefit that the server will talk directly > to windows and macs > > and be easier to maintain, we hope, on unix > > yours > jean > --- > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Thu Jul 15 10:15:00 1999 Path: biosci!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!diablo.dera.gov.uk!server1.netnews.ja.net!pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk!hgmp.mrc.ac.uk!biosci From: fw@sanger.ac.uk (Fred Wobus) Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: Re: Cutts, acedb server rewriting Date: 15 Jul 1999 12:09:09 +0100 Organization: MRC Human Genome Mapping Project Resource Centre Lines: 54 Message-ID: References: <7mka0v$bb9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk 932036949 13904 193.62.192.80 (15 Jul 1999 11:09:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jul 1999 11:09:10 GMT X-Received: from jess.sanger.ac.uk (jess.sanger.ac.uk [193.60.84.61]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28321 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 12:09:06 +0100 (BST) X-Received: from adnah.sanger.ac.uk (fw@adnah [193.60.84.22]) by jess.sanger.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA29323; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 12:08:59 +0100 (BST) X-Received: from localhost (fw@localhost) by adnah.sanger.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA13436; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 12:08:58 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: adnah.sanger.ac.uk: fw owned process doing -bs X-Sender: fw@adnah X-To: zgudmunt@my-deja.com X-cc: acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk X-In-Reply-To: <7mka0v$bb9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> A fresh start at interfacing Java to Acedb is on the horizon. There is a java programmer here at the Sanger Centre who would like to do that, so we have thought about it. The new server-client system using socket connections is going to help with that, that project however is still in its infancy. fred wobus. On Thu, 15 Jul 1999 zgudmunt@my-deja.com wrote: > When can we expect an update to ACeDB, or at least to the server that > you are rewriting? The server and connecting to it via AcePerl or other > network interfaces (most notably Jade) is pretty much my cup of tea over > here in Iceland. > > Gudmundur > > > In article <199907141249.OAA00471@alpha.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr>, > mieg@alpha.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr (Danielle et jean Thierry-Mieg) wrote: > > i would like this newsgroup to continue > > and i usally try to answer quuestions when they come > > i do receive spam, but not mostly trhu the newsgroup which i myself > > get via email > > > > by the way > > Ed Griffith and I are just now rewritting the acedb server to talk > sockets > > rather than rpc, with the probable benefit that the server will talk > directly > > to windows and macs > > > > and be easier to maintain, we hope, on unix > > > > yours > > jean > > --- > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fred Wobus Phone: +44-(0)7971-085893 Web: http://www.sanger.ac.uk/~fw --- From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Thu Jul 15 10:28:00 1999 Path: biosci!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.abs.net!newsfeed.fast.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news1-gui.server.ntli.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!server4.netnews.ja.net!server2.netnews.ja.net!hgmp.mrc.ac.uk!pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Tim Cutts Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: Re: Cutts, acedb server rewriting Date: 15 Jul 1999 12:18:40 +0100 (BST) Organization: Linux Unlimited Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <7mka0v$bb9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rrw1000.sel.cam.ac.uk Originator: timc@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk ([127.0.0.1]) In article , Fred Wobus wrote: > >A fresh start at interfacing Java to Acedb is on the >horizon. There is a java programmer here at the Sanger >Centre who would like to do that, so we have thought about >it. >The new server-client system using socket connections is >going to help with that, that project however is still in >its infancy. > >fred wobus. Is there some reason this thread has my name in the subject line? It doesn't seem to have anything to do with any postings I've made to this group. It's enough to make one slightly paranoid. :-) Tim. From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Thu Jul 15 10:47:00 1999 Path: biosci!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!server1.netnews.ja.net!pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk!hgmp.mrc.ac.uk!biosci From: rd@sanger.ac.uk (Richard Durbin) Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: Re: sort order Date: 15 Jul 1999 12:41:16 +0100 Organization: MRC Human Genome Mapping Project Resource Centre Message-ID: <199907151141.MAA05582@griffin.sanger.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk X-Trace: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk 932038877 14265 193.62.192.80 (15 Jul 1999 11:41:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jul 1999 11:41:17 GMT X-Received: from jess.sanger.ac.uk (jess.sanger.ac.uk [193.60.84.61]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00754 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 12:41:14 +0100 (BST) X-Received: from griffin.sanger.ac.uk (rd@griffin [193.60.84.177]) by jess.sanger.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA30581 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 12:41:13 +0100 (BST) X-Received: (from rd@localhost) by griffin.sanger.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA05582 for acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 12:41:13 +0100 (BST) X-To: acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Lines: 48 At the risk of revealing what some of the ancient innards of acedb code look like, here is the C code for lexstrcmp() which provides the acedb sort ordering. This is case insensitive - there is also equivalent case sensitive code for when that is needed. Richard PS I also find this newsgroup useful despite the SPAM. /* Correctly sorts anything containing integers */ int lexstrcmp(char *a,char *b) { register char c,d,*p,*q ; register int nbza, nbzb ; /* nb de zeros en tete */ register int nbzReturn = 0 ; while (*a) { /* Bond007 < Bond07 < Bond7 < Bond68 */ if (isdigit((int)*a) && isdigit((int)*b)) { for (nbza = 0 ; *a == '0' ; ++a, nbza++) ; /* saut des premiers zeros */ for (nbzb = 0 ; *b == '0' ; ++b, nbzb++) ; for (p = a ; isdigit((int)*p) ; ++p) ; for (q = b ; isdigit((int)*q) ; ++q) ; if (p-a > q-b) return 1 ; /* the longer number is the bigger */ if (p-a < q-b) return -1 ; while (isdigit ((int)*a)) { if (*a > *b) return 1 ; if (*a++ < *b++) return -1 ; } if (!nbzReturn) { if (nbza < nbzb) nbzReturn = +1 ; if (nbza > nbzb) nbzReturn = -1 ; } } else { if ((c=freeupper(*a++)) > (d=freeupper(*b++))) return 1 ; if (c < d) return -1 ; } } if (!*b) return nbzReturn ; return -1 ; } --- From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Thu Jul 15 14:16:00 1999 Path: biosci!sanger.ac.uk!edgrif From: edgrif@sanger.ac.uk (Ed Griffiths) Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: Re: Acedb 4.7 install problems Date: 15 Jul 1999 08:16:12 -0700 Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Molecular Biology Lines: 62 Sender: daemon@net.bio.net Distribution: world Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: net.bio.net David, Apologies for not replying sooner, I have been away for a few days, some of what you have seen I can explain, some not: > I have been trying to install Ace 4.7 on our (solaris) unix box, and have > had problems. (I can install and run 4.5 with no problems) > > With 4_7g, the install script crashes out after the "starting the > installation, hit return to procede", reporting "for each: No match" I don't know what is wrong here, I will have to look at this. > > With 4.7f, the install script runs fine but when I start up ACE, it crashes > after the opening credits and before the windows appear, giving the message > > "ld.so.1: xace: fatal: relocation error: symbol not found: XtAppAddSignal: > referenced in xace > Killed" > > A colleague suggests that this is possibly some conflict between ACE and a > linker program that handles C code but as a unix novice I don't know where > to start on that. Any suggestions / advice would be gratefully received I can answer this one for you. Signal handling and its interactions with Xwindows (X11r5) was not correct in acedb 4_7, this was because of a shortcoming in Xwindows itself. When Xwindows X11r6 came out this shortcoming was corrected so we updated the code in such a way that if you compile the code with X11r5 it will work as before, if you compile the code with X11r6 it will work in the new, correct way. What will not work is to try to run a binary compiled with X11r6 on a machine with X11r5 libraries. Unfortunately it is not realistic for us to supply ready made binaries for all combinations of machines/software levels.... What you have (I think) is a system with X11r5 but the acedb binary was compiled with X11r6, you can check this by looking in /usr/include/X11/Intrinsic.h where you will see: #define XtSpecificationRelease *** where *** will be 5 for X11r5 and 6 for X11r6. The bottom line is that if you are running X11r5 you will have to compile acedb on your system rather than just installing the binaries. There are instructions on how to do this with the distribution. If you need further help then please email me direct. cheers Ed ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Ed Griffiths, Informatics Group, | | The Sanger Centre, Wellcome Trust Genome Campus, | | Hinxton, Cambridge CB10 1SA, UK | | | | email: edgrif@sanger.ac.uk URL: http://www.sanger.ac.uk/Users/edgrif | | Tel: +44-1223-494780 (switch +44 1223 834244) Fax: +44 1223 494919 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Thu Jul 15 17:59:00 1999 Path: biosci!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!server1.netnews.ja.net!pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk!hgmp.mrc.ac.uk!biosci From: mieg@alpha.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr (Danielle et jean Thierry-Mieg) Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: sort order Date: 15 Jul 1999 19:53:01 +0100 Organization: MRC Human Genome Mapping Project Resource Centre Lines: 18 Message-ID: <199907151852.UAA00475@alpha.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk X-Trace: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk 932064782 19494 193.62.192.80 (15 Jul 1999 18:53:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jul 1999 18:53:02 GMT X-Received: from mserv1.dl.ac.uk (root@mserv1.dl.ac.uk [148.79.160.65]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02939 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 19:52:55 +0100 (BST) X-Received: from xerxes.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr (root@xerxes.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr [193.49.189.10]) by mserv1.dl.ac.uk with ESMTP id TAA07603 (8.8.8/5.4[ref postmaster@dl.ac.uk] for dl.ac.uk from mieg@alpha.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr); Thu, 15 Jul 1999 19:52:56 +0100 (BST) X-Precedence: first-class X-Received: from eta.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr (IDENT:root@eta [193.49.189.67]) by xerxes.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id UAA31570 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:51:37 +0200 X-Received: from alpha.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr (alpha.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr [193.49.189.71]) by eta.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id UAA01057 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:52:43 +0200 X-Received: from (mieg@localhost) by alpha.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id UAA00475 for acedb@dl.ac.uk; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:52:42 +0200 (MET DST) X-To: acedb@dl.ac.uk little story of the sort order we had that very early, progrmmed probably on the original version wrtten under DOS because i cannot stand the idea that 'un ordinateur' cannot ordinate numbers then we changed to also support lower/higher cases for the sake of the fly and recently Michel noticed that James was ill ordered, i mean Bond, James Bond alias 007 that was most uncivil and has been fixed in reelase 4_7 by him, hence ze franch comments /* saut des premiers zero... jean --- From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Thu Jul 15 18:38:00 1999 Path: biosci!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!server1.netnews.ja.net!pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk!hgmp.mrc.ac.uk!biosci From: mieg@alpha.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr (Danielle et jean Thierry-Mieg) Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: ace and java Date: 15 Jul 1999 20:32:13 +0100 Organization: MRC Human Genome Mapping Project Resource Centre Message-ID: <199907151932.VAA00492@alpha.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk X-Trace: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk 932067134 19951 193.62.192.80 (15 Jul 1999 19:32:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jul 1999 19:32:14 GMT X-Received: from mserv1.dl.ac.uk (root@mserv1.dl.ac.uk [148.79.160.65]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04509 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:32:10 +0100 (BST) X-Received: from xerxes.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr (root@xerxes.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr [193.49.189.10]) by mserv1.dl.ac.uk with ESMTP id UAA08978 (8.8.8/5.4[ref postmaster@dl.ac.uk] for dl.ac.uk from mieg@alpha.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr); Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:32:16 +0100 (BST) X-Precedence: first-class X-Received: from eta.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr (IDENT:root@eta [193.49.189.67]) by xerxes.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id VAA31610 ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:31:03 +0200 X-Received: from alpha.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr (alpha.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr [193.49.189.71]) by eta.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id VAA01091 ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:32:08 +0200 X-Received: from (mieg@localhost) by alpha.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id VAA00492 ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:32:08 +0200 (MET DST) X-To: acedb@dl.ac.uk, acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk X-Cc: zgudmunt@my-deja.com Lines: 82 following a question by Gudmundur zgudmunt@my-deja.com the jade code i wrote with lincoln was a real try at interfacing acedb to java it works very well, with local caching, threading etc and is a very evolved software in terms of database what was not so complete in our 97 work was the graphic interface although it did reproduce the sort of graphics we have in webace and in the recent aceperl. In addition Jade has authentic java graphics following the model of exchanging data via tables which we discussed at length in (Stein. Cartinhour, ThMieg, ThMieg, Gene, 1998, 209,pp 39-43) This implies that Jade also suppports data imported from other databases, as for example in our GDB demo which gets its data from a relational Oracle server. However, over the last 2 years, the java graphic library, JDK, evolved in a very disappointing way. Most programmers i know who have tried to develop in java have been taken aback by the diffculty of writing applets: write once-debug everywhere ! Java really works well only in intranet where you have control of the browser beeing used or as stand alone applications For those reason Lincoln ported the jade library in perl and i adapted the server, constructing in this way the central core of the AcePerl library. Contrary to java, we have had no problem at all with perl. AcePerl is a great success and the webace code of Bigwood et al, (thanks Doug for this excellent work that we did use for deveral years), has now been superseeded on several sites, including www.sanger, by aceperl, although, and this is very confusing, aceperl was renamed webace on the sanger site. Webace is the code of 95 by Bigwood et al, Aceperl is the code of 98 by Stein et al, Both import data from the acedb server but actually in a different format webace uses the -p[erl] format i.e full fleshed perl acedb objects whereas aceperl uses the same -j[ava] format i.e. the format we developped for jade --- As far as connection goes, AcePerl talks rpc to the acedb rpc server and Jade talks socket to a small daemon running on the web server called jade2ace which itself talks rpc to the acedb rpc server located presumably on a different machine Note that even when Ed Griffith and I finish the acedb socket server (say in a couple of weeks), we will still need a jade2ace daemon because the applets are not allowed to talk to any machine but the webserver however standalone java applications will be able to talk to the server directly (i.e. intranet type java usage) --------------- The real benefit of the socket connetion concern aceperl and the xaceclient. xaceclient is a full fledged graphic acedb which automatically import data from the server The current xaceclient only works on Unix machines because it talks rpc with the new socket protocol we will be able to port xaceclient to a mac and pc Aceperl like xace, on a non rpc machine, can only talk to a local database === i hope this clarifies a little the discussion . --- From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Fri Jul 16 00:49:00 1999 Path: biosci!GREENGENES.CIT.CORNELL.EDU!matthews From: matthews@GREENGENES.CIT.CORNELL.EDU ("Dave Matthews") Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: re: sort order Date: 15 Jul 1999 18:49:06 -0700 Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Molecular Biology Lines: 9 Sender: daemon@net.bio.net Distribution: world Message-ID: <9907160142.AA09772@greengenes.cit.cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: net.bio.net Hi Richard, jean, > { /* Bond007 < Bond07 < Bond7 < Bond68 */ This is just wonderful. Ever think about consulting for Microsoft, Oracle, etc? Their products could use this, and some other Ace features too. - Dave From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Fri Jul 16 13:16:00 1999 Path: biosci!agate!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.belnet.be!news.vub.ac.be!bigben!gbottu From: gbottu@bigben.vub.ac.be (Guy Bottu) Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: Re: looking for OSP Date: 16 Jul 1999 14:07:09 GMT Organization: Brussels Free Universities VUB/ULB Lines: 7 Message-ID: <7mnead$9q8$1@mach.vub.ac.be> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: bigben.vub.ac.be X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I case you have not already got the answer : his E-mail address is lhillier@alu.wustl.edu but you better send an E-mail to Betty Darron (bdarron@alu.wustl.edu) for the administrative aspect (you have to sign a licence) Sincerely, Guy Bottu From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Fri Jul 16 22:46:00 1999 Path: biosci!ROSA.ESB.UCP.PT!qepidui95 From: qepidui95@ROSA.ESB.UCP.PT (ytukay2) Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: ADV: Is the Government covering up the "Y2K" crisis? Date: 16 Jul 1999 16:46:43 -0700 Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Molecular Biology Lines: 79 Sender: daemon@net.bio.net Distribution: world Message-ID: <199907163492DAA4053@kloeswez.utm.my> NNTP-Posting-Host: net.bio.net To be removed, just email tvmoto@bigfoot.com -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Every Citizen deserves to know the truth and the facts about the Y2K computer problem. Many governmental officials have spoken to the public on the topic of Y2K for the purpose of not creating any panic to the communities. Unfortunately, this governmental approach on the problem is provoking a passive attitude and creating a false sense of security within Citizens with respect to this extremely vital issue! Do not be deceived! How much do you really know about the year 2000 computer crisis? Take a look at the following statements made by the U.S. Senator Robert F. 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Obtain a FREE report on the facts and solutions to the upcoming Y2K computer crash. click here for your FREE report --Thank-You: for removal see above instructions From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Mon Jul 19 10:58:00 1999 Path: biosci!newshost.lanl.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!server1.netnews.ja.net!hgmp.mrc.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Richard Bruskiewich Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: Re: This newsgroup is lousy. It should disband Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 12:52:27 +0100 Organization: Sanger Centre, Wellcome Genome Campus, UK Message-ID: <3793117A.62B6F1C7@sanger.ac.uk> References: <378B6888.531A3D2@u.arizona.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: koala.sanger.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk 932385147 21883 193.62.207.227 (19 Jul 1999 11:52:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jul 1999 11:52:27 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; OSF1 V4.0 alpha) Lines: 46 Hi Paul, spam seems to be a problem with newsgroups in general... Your point is well taken. Perhaps a private email list hosted by the Sanger Centre would work better at this point. For the moment, got to our ACEDB 2000 web page (just set up a couple of weeks ago) to keep tabs on our proposed ACEDB meeting next year: http://www.sanger.ac.uk/Info/Events/Acedb2000 Richard Paul Muhlrad wrote: > I don't know why I even follow this NG anymore. It's 99% spam. > Meanwhile, I still haven't gotten an answer to my ACeDB question I > posted a few weeks ago. I suggest disbanding bionet.software.acedb and > finding a less public forum for discussing acedb. > > Paul Muhlrad > > -- > Paul Muhlrad > University of Arizona, Department of Molecular and Cellular Biology > 415 Life Sciences South > 1007 E. Lowell Street, Tucson, AZ 85721 > (520) 621-9135 phone | (520) 621-3709 fax > > http://www.u.arizona.edu/~pmuhlrad > http://www.mcb.arizona.edu/wardlab -- ======================================================== Dr. Richard Bruskiewich WWW: http://www.sanger.ac.uk/Users/rbsk/ Human Analysis/Bioinformatics The Sanger Centre Tel: +44-(0)1223-834244 Wellcome Trust Genome Campus, Fax: +44-(0)1223-494919 Hinxton, Cambridge CB10 1SA United Kingdom ======================================================== From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Mon Jul 19 12:59:00 1999 Path: biosci!news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp.flash.net!news.flash.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37932FC1.FEC0430F@u.arizona.edu> From: Paul Muhlrad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,de MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: Re: This newsgroup is lousy. It should disband References: <378B6888.531A3D2@u.arizona.edu> <3793117A.62B6F1C7@sanger.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:52:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.30.159.22 X-Complaints-To: abuse@flash.net X-Trace: news.flash.net 932392373 209.30.159.22 (Mon, 19 Jul 1999 08:52:53 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 08:52:53 CDT Organization: FlashNet Communications, http://www.flash.net Thanks very much for the link, Richard. Paul Richard Bruskiewich wrote: > Hi Paul, > > spam seems to be a problem with newsgroups in general... Your point is > well taken. Perhaps a > private email list hosted by the Sanger Centre would work better at this > point. > > For the moment, got to our ACEDB 2000 web page (just set up a couple of > weeks ago) to keep tabs on our proposed ACEDB meeting next year: > > http://www.sanger.ac.uk/Info/Events/Acedb2000 > -- Paul Muhlrad University of Arizona, Department of Molecular and Cellular Biology 415 Life Sciences South 1007 E. Lowell Street, Tucson, AZ 85721 (520) 621-9135 phone | (520) 621-3709 fax http://www.u.arizona.edu/~pmuhlrad http://www.mcb.arizona.edu/wardlab From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Tue Jul 20 17:43:00 1999 Path: biosci!UMMED.EDU!jeffrey.nickerson From: jeffrey.nickerson@UMMED.EDU Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: Postdoctoral Position Available Date: 20 Jul 1999 11:43:34 -0700 Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Molecular Biology Lines: 38 Sender: daemon@net.bio.net Distribution: world Message-ID: <01JDSHFZ8RMQ8WW18Y@wccf.mit.edu> Reply-To: Jeffrey.Nickerson@ummed.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: net.bio.net Postdoctoral Position(s) Available Candidates should have a strong background in cell biology, biochemistry, or molecular biology. We are studying structural proteins of the nucleus that have a role in RNA processing. One of these proteins is concentrated in the interchromatin granule clusters (splicing speckles) of the nucleus but a sub-population is highly enriched in long nuclear tracks. These tracks often originate at splicing speckles and terminate near the nuclear periphery- suggesting that they may be involved in the transport of RNA, protein, or complexes within the nucleus and toward the cytoplasm. The postdoctoral associate would determine the role that this nuclear protein may play in transport, in the spatial organization of RNA splicing, and in the structure of nuclear tracks. The experimental approach will integrate molecular and microscopy techniques. The University of Massachusetts Medical School is a growing institution located within the greater Boston area. The Department of Cell Biology has especially strong research programs in nuclear and chromatin structure, cytoskeletal function, and mitotic architecture. Good core facilities for microscopy and molecular biology are available within the department. Interested candidates should contact: Jeffrey A. Nickerson, Ph.D. (Jeffrey.Nickerson@ummed.edu) Department of Cell Biology and Cancer Center University of Massachusetts Medical School 55 Lake Avenue North Worcester, MA 01655 (508) 856-2312 (508) 856-5612 FAX { GOTOBUTTON BM_1_ Jeffrey.Nickerson@ummed.edu} From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Wed Jul 21 11:36:00 1999 Path: biosci!news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!uchinews2!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!cyclone.bc.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: zgudmunt@my-deja.com Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: Re: ace and java Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:22:15 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 106 Message-ID: <7n4e1f$qf9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <199907151932.VAA00492@alpha.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.4.196.222 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jul 21 12:22:15 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 proxy.decode.is:8080 (Squid/2.1.PATCH2), 1.0 x40.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 172.18.253.134, 193.4.196.222 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDzgudmunt Thank you very much, this does clarify quite a few points. It seems that AcePerl is the way to go for networking, at least over the Web, but Java could be used on a controlled intranet (my situation). Interesting to know that AcePerl was actually derived from Java. It definately was confusing to see webace here and acebrowser there, but you have cleared that up now, thanks again. Gudmundur In article <199907151932.VAA00492@alpha.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr>, mieg@alpha.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr (Danielle et jean Thierry-Mieg) wrote: > following a question by Gudmundur zgudmunt@my-deja.com > > the jade code i wrote with lincoln was a real try at interfacing > acedb to java > it works very well, with local caching, threading etc and is > a very evolved software in terms of database > > what was not so complete in our 97 work was the graphic interface although it > did reproduce the sort of graphics we have in webace and in the recent > aceperl. > > In addition Jade has authentic java graphics following the > model of exchanging data via tables which we discussed at length in > (Stein. Cartinhour, ThMieg, ThMieg, Gene, 1998, 209,pp 39-43) > > This implies that Jade also suppports data imported from other > databases, as for example in our GDB demo which gets its data from a > relational Oracle server. > > However, over the last 2 years, the java graphic library, JDK, evolved > in a very disappointing way. Most programmers i know who have tried to > develop in java have been taken aback by the diffculty of writing > applets: write once-debug everywhere ! > > Java really works well only in intranet where you have control of the > browser beeing used or as stand alone applications > > For those reason Lincoln ported the jade library in perl and i adapted > the server, constructing in this way the central core of the AcePerl > library. > > Contrary to java, we have had no problem at all with perl. > > AcePerl is a great success and the webace code of Bigwood et al, > (thanks Doug for this excellent work that we did use for deveral > years), has now been superseeded on several sites, including > www.sanger, by aceperl, although, and this is very confusing, aceperl > was renamed webace on the sanger site. > > Webace is the code of 95 by Bigwood et al, > Aceperl is the code of 98 by Stein et al, > > Both import data from the acedb server but > actually in a different format > webace uses the -p[erl] format > i.e full fleshed perl acedb objects > whereas aceperl uses the same -j[ava] format > i.e. the format we developped for jade > > --- > > As far as connection goes, AcePerl talks rpc to the acedb rpc server > and Jade talks socket to a small daemon running on the web server > called jade2ace which itself talks rpc to the acedb rpc server located > presumably on a different machine > > Note that even when Ed Griffith and I finish the acedb socket server > (say in a couple of weeks), we will still need a jade2ace daemon > because the applets are not allowed to talk to any machine but the > webserver > > however standalone java applications will be able to talk to the server > directly (i.e. intranet type java usage) > > --------------- > > The real benefit of the socket connetion concern aceperl and the xaceclient. > > xaceclient is a full fledged graphic acedb which automatically > import data from the server > The current xaceclient only works on Unix machines because it talks rpc > with the new socket protocol we will be able to port xaceclient > to a mac and pc > > Aceperl like xace, on a non rpc machine, can only talk to a local database > > === > > i hope this clarifies a little the discussion > . > --- > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Wed Jul 21 21:54:00 1999 Path: biosci!NET-LYNX.COM!Ddu0VQfQz From: Ddu0VQfQz@NET-LYNX.COM Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: CAN MASS E-MAILING WORK FOR YOU? YOU BET Date: 21 Jul 1999 15:54:23 -0700 Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Molecular Biology Lines: 21 Sender: daemon@net.bio.net Distribution: world Message-ID: Reply-To: fjf7888@net-lynx.com NNTP-Posting-Host: net.bio.net This is Cybernet Enterprise and we are sending you this e-mail to let you in on some of the best prices in Bulk E-Mailing. If you are interested in more information . Just call anytime 209-699-3628 or voice mail 209-548-2585 or e-mail cybernet2@china.com Prices: $200.00 For 1 Million E-Mails Sent. $400.00 For 3 Million E-Mails Sent. $600.00 For 5 Million E-Mails Sent. $800.00 For 7 Million E-Mails Sent. $1000.00 For 10 Million E-Mails Sent. We also have target lists..Just call and ask! P.S. I am able to send you proof of your mailings. I will send you via e-mail, uploaded mail-log files of the actual sendings so you can know first-hand exactly what i'm doing for you. From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Thu Jul 22 09:09:00 1999 Path: biosci!sb-roscoff.fr!crepinau From: crepinau@sb-roscoff.fr (Florent.Crepineau) Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: metabolic pathways Dear ACEDB users, Dear ACEDB users, Date: 22 Jul 1999 03:09:48 -0700 Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Molecular Biology Lines: 22 Sender: daemon@net.bio.net Distribution: world Message-ID: <9907221003.AA29071@olrik.sb-roscoff> NNTP-Posting-Host: net.bio.net Dear ACEDB users, I am trying to use the metabolic pathway display as a way to display complex life cycles. I looked for a documentation but I can not find the one written by Staffan Bergh : >>>>>>>> (and everyone else who is fiddling with the metabolic pathways) I have written some documentation on the MetabolicPathways display and models where you'll find a description of how to save a 'tweaked' display and the technicalities of the models for the display. It's available thru the documentation server (http://probe.nalusda.gov:8300/acedocs/index.html). /staffan >>>>>>>> I know that the correct address is now : http://probe.nalusda.gov:8000/acedocs/index.html Where could I find details on metabolic pathways display? Thank you for reading my message. Florent From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Thu Jul 22 11:26:00 1999 Path: biosci!GREENGENES.CIT.CORNELL.EDU!matthews From: matthews@GREENGENES.CIT.CORNELL.EDU ("Dave Matthews") Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: Re: metabolic pathways Dear ACEDB users, Dear ACEDB users, Date: 22 Jul 1999 05:26:45 -0700 Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Molecular Biology Lines: 7 Sender: daemon@net.bio.net Distribution: world Message-ID: <9907221220.AA23728@greengenes.cit.cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: net.bio.net Hi Florent, I can't find Staffan's documentation either, but there's some good documentation on metabolic pathways by Takako Igarashi and Sylvia Martinelli at http://probe.nalusda.gov:8000/ace97/proceedings.html - Dave From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Fri Jul 23 22:43:00 1999 Path: biosci!NIHS.GO.JP!taka From: taka@NIHS.GO.JP ("Takako TAKAI") Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: Re: metabolic pathways Dear ACEDB users, Dear ACEDB users, Date: 23 Jul 1999 16:43:32 -0700 Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Molecular Biology Lines: 25 Sender: daemon@net.bio.net Distribution: world Message-ID: <004101bed564$4ba36d40$ddcc9bd2@asahinet> References: <9907221220.AA23728@greengenes.cit.cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: net.bio.net Hello, Thank you very much, Dave. And Staffan's documentation is at http://www.biochem.kth.se/AboutDB/metabolic_pathways.html , which is a really good introduction. Takako > I can't find Staffan's documentation either, but there's some good > documentation on metabolic pathways by Takako Igarashi and Sylvia > Martinelli at http://probe.nalusda.gov:8000/ace97/proceedings.html > > - Dave > Takako Takai-Igarashi, Ph. D. 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Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: Introducing the Radio Webcaster! (uce) Date: 27 Jul 1999 22:06:14 -0700 Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Molecular Biology Lines: 22 Sender: daemon@net.bio.net Distribution: world Message-ID: <419.436369.04231354info2000@mailcity.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: net.bio.net The Radio Webcaster is an FM transmitter that connects to your computer's sound card and allows the computer to transmit any audio signal to any FM radio in your home or office. The package includes a collection of software that allows the user to hear over 1650 radio stations and internet broadcasts at the click of a mouse. The Radio Webcaster is quite easy to install, and permits audio from the computer to be heard in places never imagined before. Now users can hear sports, music, audio books, etc. from the computer by the pool, in the yard, in the garage, or EVEN in the shower -- all with the Radio Webcaster! It's like having your very own private radio station. For more information about the Radio Webcaster simply mailto:tellmemore@mailcity.com?SUBJECT=WEBCASTER or leave a message at (800) 242-0363 ext. 2491 __________________________________________________________________ To be removed from future mailings, simply mailto:tellmemore@mailcity.com?SUBJECT=Remove From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Wed Jul 28 09:29:00 1999 Path: biosci!agate!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!server3.netnews.ja.net!is.bbsrc.ac.uk!news From: Hamish McWilliam Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: Re: ace and java Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:13:15 +0100 Organization: BBSRC Biotechnology and Biological Sciences Research Council Message-ID: <379ED7BB.7FEB8779@bbsrc.ac.uk> References: <199907151932.VAA00492@alpha.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr> <7n4e1f$qf9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc7120.jic.bbsrc.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Lines: 31 Another possibilty is to use CITA and a Java client (e.g. GFace). 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All orders WITHOUT a SELF ADDRESSED STAMPED ENVELOPE may be DELAYED. /\ /\ /\ From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Thu Jul 29 10:56:00 1999 Path: biosci!news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!oleane!jussieu.fr!news.infobiogen.fr!lovelace.infobiogen.fr!pollet From: Nicolas Pollet Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: pb with databaseentrynam.idx Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 13:41:16 +0200 Organization: "GIS INFOBIOGEN, 7 rue Guy Moquet BP8, 94801 VILLEJUIF, France" Lines: 29 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: lovelace.infobiogen.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: caroll.infobiogen.fr 933248479 27791 193.52.226.4 (29 Jul 1999 11:41:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@infobiogen.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jul 1999 11:41:19 GMT Dear ACEDB users, I am experimenting error messages when looking at multiple DNA or protein alignments using Blixem. While Efetching external sequences I have the following message: Efetching external sequences.Could not open the index file named: /export/home/pollet/axeldb_development/databaseentrynam.idx .Could not open the index file named: /export/home/pollet/axeldb_development/databaseentrynam.idx ... Even though, the sequences from within my db are correctly efetched. Therefore my question is : -What this databaseentrynam.idx is doing (when present) ? -Where does it come from ? -What is wrong with my config ? I would appreciate any hints. Thank you for reading my message. Nicolas Nicolas Pollet e-mail: n.pollet@dkfz-heidelberg.de Division of Molecular Embryology DKFZ Tel: (+49)-6221-42-4694 INF 280 Fax: (+49)-6221-42-4692 D-69120 Heidelberg http://www.dkfz-heidelberg.de/abt0135/ From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Thu Jul 29 16:41:00 1999 Path: biosci!news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!server1.netnews.ja.net!pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk!hgmp.mrc.ac.uk!biosci From: arnold@arches.uga.edu (Jonathan Arnold) Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: Removal from Listserve Date: 29 Jul 1999 18:34:51 +0100 Organization: MRC Human Genome Mapping Project Resource Centre Lines: 3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Trace: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk 933269692 24421 193.62.192.80 (29 Jul 1999 17:34:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jul 1999 17:34:52 GMT X-Received: from mailgw.cc.uga.edu (mailgw.cc.uga.edu [128.192.1.101]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26146 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:34:34 +0100 (BST) X-Received: from archa9.cc.uga.edu (arch9.cc.uga.edu) by mailgw.cc.uga.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00FAC709@mailgw.cc.uga.edu>; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 13:31:53 -0400 X-Received: from [128.192.8.134] (jd8.genetics.uga.edu [128.192.8.134]) by archa9.cc.uga.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA25938 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 13:34:23 -0400 X-To: acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk X-Priority: NORMAL X-Mailer: Simeon for MacPPC Version 4.1.5 Build (43) X-Authentication: IMSP Please remove my e-mail address from your listserve. 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