From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Fri Oct 01 07:13:00 1999
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From: dfhk@ms31.url.com.tw
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Subject: 教您如何在網路中自保的光碟
Date: 30 Sep 1999 15:31:21 GMT
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sorry......打擾了!!
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聲明最近有人假冒我們的email地址,到處亂寄寄一些不堪入目的字眼給您在此鄭重
聲明我們絕對不是寄這些信的(我們寄出的信皆有數位簽名)請不要相信他請大家告訴大家!!thanks!!
***請認明正宗防止駭客'dfhk'(dfhk@ms31.url.com.tw)  xx工作室出品的其他xxx 2000駭客光碟都是贗品品質
不良!!請小心!!網友和我反應他們的光碟品質不良很難讀取!!正宗dfhk出品前都經過5種廠牌光碟機測試過確保品質!!
 
不要買錯了!!有問題的片子100%包換!!感謝大家的支持!!
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教您如何在網路中自保的光碟 整片光碟 只要400元

你知道在你上網的途中 有人可以無聲無息的進入妳的電腦
竊取你所有的隱私 進而造成妳的莫大損失嗎
不要認為不可能 因為當技術呈現在你眼前時
保證你會大吃一驚 因為一直以來
就是有人這樣做 從中獲得了不法的利益
正所謂 知己知彼 百戰百勝
今天 我把這些技術
弄成國內第一片收集完整的駭客光碟,不但教你怎麼去破解,
更教你如何去防範於未然,最重要的是:它是一片完整的中文介面,中文說明書,
除非您連看字的能力都有困難,
否則你一定知道我在說什麼!!

有人匿名炸你的信箱,你可知道如何防治及報復??(包括炸你E-mail都算是駭客!)
你開網路咖啡店,可知道駭客最喜歡的就是上你的站去試功力?你可知其然而防其然?
你可曾想過,你只是一個上網路的平凡人,可知道駭客也可去把你上網的密碼及名稱
取回自己用,讓你花錢又當大頭?不只如此,他也可直取你電腦內的資料,包括殺檔案
及讓你當機?你知道原理,怎麼做?而又如何防止呢?
你有用ICQ的"好"習慣嗎?可知ICQ安全性甚差的現在,你的ICQ是駭客最大的溫床?一
樣可透過ICQ去做入侵及管理的動作,就是把你硬碟當成是自己家一樣,愛拿什麼就
拿什麼,當然也是包括你的密碼及名稱.....

如果你不曾聽過這些事,那你就是最大的高危險群,你可知道如何去了解這網路的黑
暗面?

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400元或許只是一頓燭光晚餐的代價，也可能是你跟朋友去KTY的基本消費
但是現在卻能買到你的權益及一輩子的技術，你何樂不為呢？我也跟您做
保証，你現在在補界中也絕對看不到這一片光碟，因為是駭客自己的收藏
，這是第一次流出市面，日後或許會有補界收錄去賣，但是您如果日後再
去買，補界知道這片光碟的利害關係，也該不會完整收錄，搞不好還放了
”特洛伊”程式進去(聽不懂？就把一支木馬程式藏在其它程式中AUTORUN
也行，以後只要你一上網就等於把自己送給人家，被對方盜用密碼上網都
不知道......)您考慮考慮吧!

光碟內容==============================================================

[當戰火結束,城中人民興高采烈的迎接城外的木馬,雖然總有少數的反對 ,]
[卻還是無法阻止被"勝利"沖昏頭的人們,在一片歡樂的氣息中,人們酒後飯]
[飽之際,木馬終於露出貪婪的本性,從木馬腹中出現的敵方精英 ,一舉裡應]
[外合,.....屠城!......]

這就是特洛伊的故事,[木馬屠城記]......

網路上存在著許多的駭客,有所謂的軟體駭客,也有入侵駭客.
多半是存著好玩的心態,但是也存在著有心人士........
因為當你知道破解的用途到底有那些之後,你會不禁心寒..
你可能會自問:我是下一個嗎?還是已經被入侵而不自知.....

舉些例子來說:
你會從網站上下載共享軟件嗎?

如果一個有心人士在網上架設一個共享網站，只要你下載軟件
他就有辨法入侵到你的電腦中,把你的硬碟當成自己家一樣,取
回他要的東西(取什麼?當然是你上網路的帳號及密碼！）而且
已後不管你怎麼改變密碼，它都可以繼續去追蹤，最可怕的是
，這一點都不難，你知道如何防治嗎？如何取得工具程式？駭
客是如何入侵？知其然也要會其然.......請您再看下去

您覺得使用e-mail不會被有心人士利用嗎？到底有那些問題存
在，您了解嗎？您知道駭客是如何做，而您要如何去避免嗎？

在ICQ安全性被議論紛紛的時代，您知道多少？您知道可以透過
ICQ而入侵您的電腦嗎，一樣可以是被當成自家中一樣，任意取
回檔案，殺檔案，來個〔木馬屠城記〕，您會怕嗎？

太多太多的BUG了！只要你上網，只要對方有程式，你就永遠不
會安全，在有些網站上也有防護及破解教學，但是總是不會完全
收錄，也不會有所謂的說明書,也許就連架站的人也不會使用，
我現在就要破除你所有的疑慮，告訴您如何去當〔木馬〕，以及
如何去防止被〔屠城〕！！

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鄭重警告

本光碟中的所有程式皆具有一定的殺傷力，除了可入侵別人電腦的程式外，程式中甚至
也
有所謂的殺硬碟程式，請小心使用，不要到頭來是害人又害己了，且本光碟工具相當充
裕
，千萬不要利用這些工具來破壞他人的電腦或資料，僅能用來學習技術及保護自己等用
途！

===============================[光碟內容列表]==========================

本光碟的內容是以HTML的格式寫的,也就是說是以瀏覽器去觀看,全部提供入侵及反入侵
程
式百餘支，破解文章亦不在話下，全部都附中文使用說用，請直接讀取[駭客首頁.Htm]
即
可!!

ICQ駭客區========

破解,甚至入侵ICQ的程式群....,看完此章您就會對ICQ的安全性完全心冷...

最新版本 ICQ
破解 ICQ 密碼
保護自己的ICQ不被駭客入侵的程式群
寄 ICQ 匿名信或是 炸ICQ 的程式
顯式出對方的 IP
知道對方ICQ 所用的 Port 是多少=>被知道IP及Port就可以做很多壞事了
讓你選擇寄一或N封的訊息給對方
你加入任何人的 UIN，而不必經過對方認證，
用於ICQ中聊天 (chat) 的搗蛋程式
可以讓你編輯對話記錄
可以讓你把ICQ任意移動目錄
可以讓你把ICQ備份
可以讓你複製ICQ
ICQ 特洛伊程式=>此程式的功能就是可以入侵對方的硬碟，取你密碼及讓你當機!!
可以將ICQ相關工具整合在一起的程式
【如何在 ICQ 隱藏你的IP】....

破解密碼區=======

幾乎是無所不破喔......

解 BIOS 的密碼
AWARD BIOS 的通解密碼
AMI BIOS 的通解密碼
破解撥號網路密碼程式類
螢幕保護程式密碼破解程式
看***密碼的程式
暴力法破解密碼工具
破解網頁密碼程式
破解 Word97 密碼程式
破解 Excel97 密碼程式
破解 ARJ 加密式

新進檔案區==========

破解網頁密碼程式=>情色網站專用
很強的特落依程式=>輕鬆入侵，可做所有的動作，包括取你密碼及當機!
看密碼程式
BO程式著名的入侵程式
移除BO的程式
偵測使用ＢＯ入侵者的程式
防護(BO)的程式 -　　

重要的檔案=========

必備的一些檔案

破解文件檔=======

入侵文章
破解入門
如何入侵一台Internet的主機=>解讀密碼,入侵網路咖啡廳.....
如何如何追蹤入侵者
網路漏洞=>提供你自己自保的的方法!!
入侵文章
如何成為一個 hackek

郵件駭客區============

此區提供破解及反破解,很實用的喲....

匿名郵件程式
郵件炸彈程式
郵件炸彈剋星
電子郵件炸彈
電子炸彈
電子郵件炸彈
視窗炸彈的惡作劇

OOB 當機程式========

用OB入侵讓你當機,也提供反OB的程式.....

防當程式
反安裝防當
當機程式邪神
很多當機程式，

駭客網站大連結============
站站是好站....

中文駭客網
英文駭客網

序號-註冊碼區

　
最後 請注意 如你有意購買
請附上 姓名 電話 住址 郵遞區號
我會用代收貨款的方式 只要你準備印章及400元給郵差
妳(你)就能擁有
請回信至 dfhk@ms31.url.com.tw


From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Fri Oct 01 08:00:00 1999
Path: biosci!internet!biosci!not-for-mail
From: biohelp (BIOSCI Administrator)
Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb
Subject: BIOSCI/bionet miniFAQ & Fundraiser
Date: 1 Oct 1999 02:00:12 -0700
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(LAST REVISION: 14-AUG-99)

This BIOSCI "miniFAQ" is designed to answer the questions that come up
the *most frequently*.  The main BIOSCI FAQ (Frequently Asked
Questions) is accessible on the World Wide Web at URL
http://www.bio.net/.

If you can not find an answer to your question in this or other
documentation, the BIOSCI technical support staff answers e-mail
queries sent to

		       biosci-help@net.bio.net

We can only answer questions about the use of the newsgroups and
mailing lists.  We unfortunately do not have the staff to do Internet
information searches or answer scientific questions.  Please post
those to the appropriate BIOSCI/bionet newsgroups.


	Contents:
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	0) BIOSCI NEEDS YOUR SUPPORT!!

	1) Using the WWW to access the BIOSCI/bionet newsgroups.

	2) What to do about "spams," i.e., junk mail, ads, etc.

	3) Examples of subscribing and unsubscribing to the mailing lists.

	4) The BIOSCI user address and research interest directory.


0) BIOSCI NEEDS YOUR SUPPORT!!
------------------------------
BIOSCI's government funding has been expended, and we are now
operating solely from advertising revenue that we have raised from our
Web site at http://www.bio.net/.  We need just a few minutes of your
time to help us serve you.

You can do two important things which will take very little time for
you individually and will immensely help us continue to help you.

First, please use our WWW system at http://www.bio.net/ to access the
archives.  You can post or reply to messages via your Web browser as
described in item #1 below.  Your usage helps attract sponsors. If you
contact any of our sponsors, please be sure to thank them for
supporting BIOSCI. It is critical for them to get this feedback if
they are to continue their sponsorship for the long term.

Second, if you work for a company or organization that provides
products or services of interest to the biology community, please pass
this message on to your marketing or marketing communications
department or other appropriate group.  Please ask them to help
support BIOSCI by sponsoring our Web site and explain the uses and
benefits of the system to the biology community. If they are
interested, they can then contact us for further information at our
tech support address, biosci-help@net.bio.net.


1) Using the WWW to access the BIOSCI/bionet newsgroups.
--------------------------------------------------------
All BIOSCI/bionet full newsgroups are accessible through the World
Wide Web (WWW) at URL http://www.bio.net.  One can read and reply
publicly or privately to both recent postings and archived messages
through one's Web browser if it is configured properly to send e-mail.
Each newsgroup is equipped with its own WAIS index.  The main BIOSCI
home page also has access to the BIO-JOURNALS Table of Contents
database WAIS index and the BIOSCI user address database described in
another item further below.


2) What to do about "spams," i.e., junk mail, ads, etc.
-------------------------------------------------------
BIOSCI is a set of parallel USENET newsgroups (the "bionet" groups),
mailing lists, and a hypermail archive at URL http://www.bio.net/.
The same postings are distributed on all media (except for a small
number of mailing-list-only groups at net.bio.net).  Unfortunately it
is becoming a despicable practice on the Internet (by a few people out
to make a fast buck) to do automated mass postings to thousands of
newsgroups and mailing lists.  These attempts to grab free advertising
are refered to as "spams" in the usual, somewhat boneheaded, net
terminology.  USENET is more susceptible to this practice, and many
spams originate on the USENET groups and then are passed on to the
mailing lists.  However, spammers also get lists of mailing addresses
and hit these too, so neither medium is immune.

What should you do personally if you get junk mail?
---------------------------------------------------
Just delete it and move on without reading it further.  Filing a
protest is becoming increasingly useless because spammers are often
disguising the addresses where the messages are sent from.  Unless you
really understand Internet mail systems, your attempt at protest by
sending replies to the message will often end up being sent to the
address of an innocent person that the spammer is victimizing.

What can BIOSCI/bionet do to protect its newsgroups?
----------------------------------------------------
The only solution currently available is to moderate the newsgroup.
If this newsgroup is already moderated, then you are in good shape.
Moderation protects the USENET distribution from about 95% of the
spams that are being sent to date and protects the mailing lists
completely.  Moderation means, however, that someone has to take the
time to review each message before it goes out.  We have set up
software here that simply allows the moderator to forward to an
address at net.bio.net messages that (s)he wishes to have distributed.
This takes no more time than that needed to read the message and pass
it on, say about 1 min. per message.

Most newsgroups currently have a discussion leader who is responsible
for their newsgroup.  The discussions leaders and their e-mail
addresses are listed in the BIOSCI Information Sheet which is
available on the Web at http://www.bio.net/.  If a newsgroup is being
hit with too many junk postings, please contact the discussion leader
for that group and see if there is interest in moderating the group.
Please do not assume that by simply posting a complaint to the
newsgroup itself, anyone on the BIOSCI staff will act on your
complaint.  With close to 100 newsgroups to run, the BIOSCI staff has
to rely on the discussion leaders of each newsgroup to report problems
directly to us at biosci-help@net.bio.net.

We will moderate any of our newsgroups if the discussion leader tells
us that the readership of the group wishes to do so and if a moderator
is willing to do the work.  For most BIOSCI/bionet groups, this
entails only a few minutes of work each day.

Moderating a newsgroup will resolve probably 95% of the junk postings
on the USENET distribution.  Unfortunately there are easy ways for
determined spammers to override the moderation mechanism on USENET,
but we can protect our e-mail subscribers from unwanted postings if
the newsgroup is moderated.  You can also access our newsgroups over
the WWW at URL http://www.bio.net.  While this Web interface will not
stop spammers from trying to post to the groups, this will give you
yet another way, besides using USENET news, to keep the junk out of
your personal mail files.  For those of you with local USENET news
systems, the Web interface will also give you faster access to new
newsgroups and recent postings.


3) Examples of subscribing and unsubscribing to the mailing lists.
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PLEASE NOTE: The BIOSCI management does NOT act on
subscription/unsubscription requests that are posted improperly to the
newsgroups and mailing lists.  People who do this only bother everyone
on the lists to no avail.  Please be sure to follow the proper
procedures below.

Gory details are in the BIOSCI Information sheets on the Web at
http://www.bio.net.  Below we give an example utilizing the
METHODS-AND-REAGENTS list at both of our two BIOSCI sites:

Users in the Americas and Pacific Rim countries who use the BIOSCI
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node at computer net.bio.net:
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A) Determine the "listname" which is the <=8 character mail address
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   for the group.  These can be found in the BIOSCI Info. Sheet.  For
   the METHODS-AND-REAGENTS group the mailing address is
   methods@net.bio.net.  The listname is the portion of the address to
   the left of the @ sign, i.e., "methods".  The listname is used with
   the "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" commands illustrated below.

B) Mail all commands in the body of a mail message addressed to
   biosci-server@net.bio.net.  Do NOT send commands to the newsgroup
   posting addresses!  Leave the Subject: line blank, any text on it
   will be ignored.

C) In the body of your message put one or more of the following
   commands with an "end" command on the last line, e.g.,

   subscribe methods
   unsubscribe methods
   end

   Do NOT put your e-mail address or other text on these lines.  The
   server only allows you to cancel your subscription if the address
   on your mail header matches the address on our mailing list.
   Please ask for help at biosci-help@net.bio.net if your address has
   changed, e.g., if you know you are on the list but the server tells
   you that you are not a member.


Users in Europe, Africa, and Central Asia who use the BIOSCI node at
--------------------------------------------------------------------
the UK-HGMP-Resource Centre (known as hgmp.mrc.ac.uk):
-----------------------------------------------------

A) Determine the "listname" which is the <=8 character mail address
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   for the group.  These can be found in the BIOSCI Info. Sheet.  For
   the METHODS-AND-REAGENTS group the mailing address is
   methods@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk.  The listname is the portion of the address to
   the left of the @ sign, i.e., "methods".  The listname is used with
   the "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" commands illustrated below.

B) Mail all commands in the body of a mail message addressed to
   majordomo@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk.  Do NOT send commands to the newsgroup
   posting addresses!  Leave the Subject: line blank, any text on it
   will be ignored.

C) In the body of your message put one or more of the following
   commands with an "end" command on the last line, e.g.,

   subscribe methods
   unsubscribe methods
   end

   Please ask for help at biosci@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk if your address has
   changed, e.g., if you know you are on the list but the server tells
   you that you are not a member.


4) The BIOSCI user address and research interest directory.
-----------------------------------------------------------
Please take this opportunity to add your name, address, and research
interest information to the BIOSCI User Address Database if you have
not already done so.

You can fill out the address form directly through our Web page at URL
http://www.bio.net/adrform.html.

The address database is reindexed nightly for WWW access (the URL is
http://www.bio.net/).  If you are not directly on the Internet but can
reach it by e-mail, please use our waismail server to access the user
directory.  waismail use is described above.  You can also request a
user address form by e-mail from biosci-help@net.bio.net.

Please check your database entry from time-to-time to see if your
address information is still up-to-date.  Because of our limited
personnel resources, we ask that you resubmit a *complete* form to
revise your entry; we only replace complete entries and do not have
resources to edit old forms.


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From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Sat Oct 02 10:04:00 1999
Path: biosci!USA.NET!marketing101a
From: marketing101a@USA.NET
Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb
Subject: For Smart People Only! -WVOI
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From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Sat Oct 02 14:56:00 1999
Path: biosci!CMONTMORENCY.QC.CA!diy98
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Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb
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From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Sat Oct 02 22:30:00 1999
Path: biosci!BDG.CENTRIN.NET.ID!eserver
From: eserver@BDG.CENTRIN.NET.ID
Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb
Subject: Get Your FREE PCS Digital Cell Phone...
Date: 2 Oct 1999 16:30:22 -0700
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From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Sun Oct 03 19:05:00 1999
Path: biosci!STARGAZER.WENDLAND.DE!peinua86
From: peinua86@STARGAZER.WENDLAND.DE (gusyer)
Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb
Subject: e-leads.....the internet at your fingertips
Date: 3 Oct 1999 13:05:17 -0700
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Path: biosci!BOOM.COM!dvds
From: dvds@BOOM.COM
Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb
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From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Wed Oct 06 11:51:00 1999
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Active X with Source code for only USD $199

The Active X for CTI.

It is for Dialogic Analog board -
    D/41H, D/41ESC, VFX/40, D/160SC-LS

It is only USD $199 include source code.

Contact wunart@crosswinds.net  if you need it.


From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Wed Oct 06 12:36:00 1999
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From: Mark Wilkinson <markw@cheerful.com>
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Subject: Curators Forum??
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Hello Group!

this question is not exactly ACEdb related, but since the majority of
you will be genome database curators this seems an appropriate forum to
post the question:

The entire process of genome database curation seems a little complex (I
hear most of you laughing at this point).  Keeping updated with changes
to the EMBL, genbank, etc., making sure that the sequence you have is
the 'newest', ensuring your publication list is up to date, weeding out
duplicate entries, ensuring that everything is consistent when a gene is
re-named, blah blah blah...

So, for curating-virgins like me, these problems are enormous mountains
- not just to solve them, but to conceptually understand the depth of
the problem itself!  (there are without doubt problems that I have not
even realized exist so far!)

which leads me to the following question:  Is there a 'curators forum'
on the net?  Or do you all belong to a mailing list where you discuss
these issues?  Or do you all act more-or-less autonomously, each of you
solving the problems in your own way?  Are there curators
'conferences'?  Workshops?  Parties?!

I guess what I am asking is - how do you do what you do, and where did
you learn to do it?

Best wishes to you all!

Mark Wilkinson
DragonDB Curator
Max Planck Institut fuer Zuechtungsforschung
Cologne, Germany


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Till recently, it was impossible to nfs lock on linux
machines, in particular from a dec alpha (my config)

we just changed here our linux kernel

we now use
  linux 6.1, kernel 2.2.12, and have activated knfsd

this beeing done, we no longer have problem between linux-intel machine
and dec-alpha runing dec-unix

and we are able to rm the 
NOLOCK
  statement from wspec/*.wrm

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From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Thu Oct 07 13:17:00 1999
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From: Simon Kelley <srk@sanger.ac.uk>
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Subject: New winace - beta available.
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 13:57:51 GMT
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I've put a beta release of the new acedb-on-microsoft-windows
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This directory contains the first beta release of Acedb 4_8 for windows.
This is totally new program, identical in most respects to the latest
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From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Thu Oct 07 20:47:00 1999
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From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Sun Oct 10 00:52:00 1999
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Active X with Source code for only USD $199

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It is for Dialogic Analog board -
    D/41H, D/41ESC, VFX/40, D/160SC-LS

It is only USD $199 include source code.

Contact wunart@crosswinds.net  if you need it.


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From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Mon Oct 11 19:15:00 1999
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From: davel@src.uchicago.edu (Dave Lorand)
Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb
Subject: novel use for ACEDB
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Hi,

I'm a system administrator in the Social Science division at the
University of Chicago, and I'm looking at ACEDB as a possible way of
analyzing some interesting Psych data being gathered by a research
project.  I'm hoping that one of you ACEDB experts can give me a quick
answer about whether ACEDB can handle this and how much adaptation would
be required (I've been wading through docs for several days, and the
learning curve is a bit steep from non-bio applications).

This project analyzes human interaction, and their data are lists of
actions copied down from videotapes of the interactions.  For a given type
of interaction, they have a a fairly short list of possible actions, and
they divide a long period of interaction into short "cycles" of actions
which turn out to fit into very neat flowcharts.

For example, the sample data we're starting with are from a mother feeding
a baby over a four-month period.  A cycle starts when the spoon leaves the
jar, and ends when the spoon goes back in.  In between, there are a few
places where the baby may exhibit a negative response, after which the
mother may back off or may insist.  You get the vague idea.

The number of possible actions in these cycles is around 10, and there are
lots of cycles.

They want to do queries which count things like the number of cycles with
a NEG1 (a negative response in a particular place in the flowchart) in
which the baby was fed.  Generically, they want to queries like "count
where <action> appears before <action>", where "before" means anywhere in
the cycle and not just immediately before.

It seems like ACEDB could do well with these data, because cycles are
variable-length lists of a few repeating things - very similar to gene
sequences.  Relational databases aren't so good with variable-length
lists, and the usually Stat packages used in social science work are
completely orthogonal to this.

So, my question is:  could ACEDB handle this easily?  if not, how much
modification and work would be required to do it?

Thanks in advance,

Dave

P.S.  I'd appreciate email copies of any replies.

 ____________________________________________________________
| Dave Lorand, Programmer/Analyst   | davel@src.uchicago.edu |
| Social Science Research Computing | 773-702-3792           |
| University of Chicago             | 773-702-2101 (fax)     |
+-----------------------------------+------------------------+

From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Wed Oct 13 00:30:00 1999
Path: biosci!LBL.GOV!JLMcCarthy
From: JLMcCarthy@LBL.GOV (John McCarthy)
Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb
Subject: Re: novel use for ACEDB
Date: 12 Oct 1999 18:30:20 -0700
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Although I'm not currently active in the acedb community, I was a few years
ago, and I still think its a neat system. I also did a fair amount of
social science computing earlier in my career, so I'm somewhat familiar
with the kind of data you describe (mine was more for history & poli sci).

I think acedb would in fact be a good match for your data.
You would need to make your own model(s), but then could use the
query and table facilities to do most of what you describe, I think.
You might also be able to create output that you could subsequently
transform for further analysis in SAS, S, Excel, etc.
You could do the transforms with Perl, AWK, or something else if necessary.
Before too long you may be able to get the output as XML,
at which point you could use XSL-T (transformation) to do transforms.

I'd be interested to hear whether you decide to try acedb, and if so,
how it works for you.

-John McCarthy

At 01:08 PM 10/11/99 , Dave Lorand wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I'm a system administrator in the Social Science division at the
>University of Chicago, and I'm looking at ACEDB as a possible way of
>analyzing some interesting Psych data being gathered by a research
>project.  I'm hoping that one of you ACEDB experts can give me a quick
>answer about whether ACEDB can handle this and how much adaptation would
>be required (I've been wading through docs for several days, and the
>learning curve is a bit steep from non-bio applications).
>
>This project analyzes human interaction, and their data are lists of
>actions copied down from videotapes of the interactions.  For a given type
>of interaction, they have a a fairly short list of possible actions, and
>they divide a long period of interaction into short "cycles" of actions
>which turn out to fit into very neat flowcharts.
>
>For example, the sample data we're starting with are from a mother feeding
>a baby over a four-month period.  A cycle starts when the spoon leaves the
>jar, and ends when the spoon goes back in.  In between, there are a few
>places where the baby may exhibit a negative response, after which the
>mother may back off or may insist.  You get the vague idea.
>
>The number of possible actions in these cycles is around 10, and there are
>lots of cycles.
>
>They want to do queries which count things like the number of cycles with
>a NEG1 (a negative response in a particular place in the flowchart) in
>which the baby was fed.  Generically, they want to queries like "count
>where <action> appears before <action>", where "before" means anywhere in
>the cycle and not just immediately before.
>
>It seems like ACEDB could do well with these data, because cycles are
>variable-length lists of a few repeating things - very similar to gene
>sequences.  Relational databases aren't so good with variable-length
>lists, and the usually Stat packages used in social science work are
>completely orthogonal to this.
>
>So, my question is:  could ACEDB handle this easily?  if not, how much
>modification and work would be required to do it?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Dave
>
>P.S.  I'd appreciate email copies of any replies.
>
> ____________________________________________________________
>| Dave Lorand, Programmer/Analyst   | davel@src.uchicago.edu |
>| Social Science Research Computing | 773-702-3792           |
>| University of Chicago             | 773-702-2101 (fax)     |
>+-----------------------------------+------------------------+
>

John L. McCarthy            Email: JLMcCarthy@lbl.gov
Building 50C -- 3318          Web: http://www.lbl.gov/~mccarthy
                            
Berkeley National Lab       Phone: (510) 486-5307
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Hi all,

I have recently been struggling with renaming and deleting
objects that are LongText objects, notably Peptide objects.

Is there a neat piece of documentation somewhere that
says what to do here?

I have not been able to find such in my perusal of various
sources.

Thanks
  -Doug


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From: mieg@beta.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr (Danielle et jean Thierry-Mieg)
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1) petide should be declared as a primary acedb type, like dna
not faked as longtext, at least that is the idea

2) when ran as peptide class, they come with a protein object
in the same way as DNA is related to Sequence

from then, both the dna and its sequence or the peptide and its 
protein have to be renamed at the same time and unfortunately
the acedb kernel does not provide this corelation automatically

it is schedulled for acedb5 together with other goodies and wont
be released before certainly another 6 months
meanwhile, rename both


however as far as i know renaming and deleting longtext obj should work
ok

---

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From: davel@src.uchicago.edu (Dave Lorand)
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John,

In article <4.1.19991012181458.00bbde90@imap4.lbl.gov>, JLMcCarthy@LBL.GOV
(John McCarthy) wrote:

> I think acedb would in fact be a good match for your data.
> You would need to make your own model(s), but then could use the
> query and table facilities to do most of what you describe, I think.
> You might also be able to create output that you could subsequently
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> You could do the transforms with Perl, AWK, or something else if necessary.
> Before too long you may be able to get the output as XML,
> at which point you could use XSL-T (transformation) to do transforms.

Thanks for the vote of confidence.  Do you think that ACEDB will be able
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whose names are several characters long?  I noticed that gene sequences
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> >the cycle and not just immediately before.

Thanks again,

Dave

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From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Wed Oct 20 13:47:00 1999
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From: zgudmunt@my-deja.com
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Subject: Access restrictions for Ace
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:33:50 GMT
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   I have a small question on access privileges and write-locks when
using Ace on a Unix (Linux) system. I have it set up with user ace as
the owner and a certain user group as the group for all the directories
and files the Ace-dir. All the users are listed in passwd.wrm and the
database-dir is chmod 770, with all files in it chmod 664.
  This works just fine, until a user needs to write and Ace creates an
additional block-file. This file gets 644 and when a user tries to save
the poor Ace-program crashes. So, what's going on here..?


               Gudmundur


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From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Wed Oct 20 14:36:00 1999
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From: matthews@GREENGENES.CIT.CORNELL.EDU ("Dave Matthews")
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Subject: Re:  Access restrictions for Ace
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Hi Gudmundur,

You might try changing the users' umasks from 022 to 002, so the files
their processes create are 664.

There may be a nicer way to do this with setgid on the database/ 
directory, but I confess I never understood setgid.

- Dave


> From: zgudmunt@my-deja.com
> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:33:50 GMT
> 
>    I have a small question on access privileges and write-locks when
> using Ace on a Unix (Linux) system. I have it set up with user ace as
> the owner and a certain user group as the group for all the directories
> and files the Ace-dir. All the users are listed in passwd.wrm and the
> database-dir is chmod 770, with all files in it chmod 664.
>   This works just fine, until a user needs to write and Ace creates an
> additional block-file. This file gets 644 and when a user tries to save
> the poor Ace-program crashes. So, what's going on here..?
> 
> 
>                Gudmundur

From owner-acedb@net.bio.net Wed Oct 20 21:28:00 1999
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From: rd@sanger.ac.uk (Richard Durbin)
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There have over the years been a number of solutions to giving write
access to a group of people for an acedb database.  By far the most
sound and least problematic has been the following:

make the executable setuid, by chmod 4755 xace tace
make all the database/* files, wspec/* files 644 as normally
add user ids you wish to have write access to wspec/passwd.wrm

The code expects this setuid mode, and does the following: on startup it
recovers the true userid of the user running the program, and switches 
back effective user-id to that user.  It only switches to the setuid id
(that owning the database files) when reading or writing files in the 
database directories.  All other file operations, including parsing and
exporting data, are done with the true user id.

Solutions using Unix groups require very careful setting of umask that
has proven very hard to administer and enforce.  We strongly advise
you to switch to the approach described above.

Alternatively, use aceserver/aceclient, which avoids these problems.

Richard
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thank you for reporting this bag bug

>
   I have a small question on access privileges and write-locks when
using Ace on a Unix (Linux) system. I have it set up with user ace as
the owner and a certain user group as the group for all the directories
and files the Ace-dir. All the users are listed in passwd.wrm and the
database-dir is chmod 770, with all files in it chmod 664.
  This works just fine, until a user needs to write and Ace creates an
additional block-file. This file gets 644 and when a user tries to save
the poor Ace-program crashes. So, what's going on here..?


               Gudmundur

>


we will; fix this

meanwhile, create in advance a collection of files
with just the touch command and arrabge the correct ownership
by hand

then the code i think will not change them

thanks a lot for the bug report


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oh yes
may be the problem was that the code has to be setgid and set uid

so
  chmod 6755 xace tace
note the 4 digits, this is not a typo

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i actually support richard's point of view on gid/uid

that he sent in his last mail
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i do take back my earlier comments

please avoid setgid, use setuid
as described in richard's maill
the old problemn we had several years ago with setuid
are fixed because now the code switshec when needed betweein
user id and effective id, which in chinese means all works fine

those fixes where finalised by simon kelley i think, thank you simon
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   Thanks a lot, both of you (Dave & Richard). It was the setuid-thing
that confused me. I have multiple project groups that need to be kept
private, each in their corner, so think I'll use the user group method
partially, meaning that the top ace-dir can be made chmod 770 and thus
read-closed for anyone outside the group (and ace of course). But then
the setuid-method takes care of which users in the group are allowed to
write.
    I may switch to the server/client later, but I have so few users pr.
group at the moment that it's working fine. I may want, however, to make
some kind of a Java/CORBA interface later on, at least for some
(non map-display) functions. But are there no plans for adding writing
capabilities to the Ace CORBA interface?


    Thanks again, I appreciate it

                                Gudmundur


In article <199910202221.XAA14233@griffin.sanger.ac.uk>,
  rd@sanger.ac.uk (Richard Durbin) wrote:
> There have over the years been a number of solutions to giving write
> access to a group of people for an acedb database.  By far the most
> sound and least problematic has been the following:
>
> make the executable setuid, by chmod 4755 xace tace
> make all the database/* files, wspec/* files 644 as normally
> add user ids you wish to have write access to wspec/passwd.wrm
>
> The code expects this setuid mode, and does the following: on startup
it
> recovers the true userid of the user running the program, and switches
> back effective user-id to that user.  It only switches to the setuid
id
> (that owning the database files) when reading or writing files in the
> database directories.  All other file operations, including parsing
and
> exporting data, are done with the true user id.
>
> Solutions using Unix groups require very careful setting of umask that
> has proven very hard to administer and enforce.  We strongly advise
> you to switch to the approach described above.
>
> Alternatively, use aceserver/aceclient, which avoids these problems.
>
> Richard
> ---
>


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