From owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Mon Nov 1 10:10:19 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: acedb-archive@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 110) id AB60717A62; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:10:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (niobium [193.62.192.41]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03576 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:10:16 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) id KAA24098 for acedb-list@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:10:11 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk: news set sender to using -f From: biohelp@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (BIOSCI Administrator) X-Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: BIOSCI/bionet miniFAQ & Fundraiser Date: 1 Nov 1999 02:00:20 -0800 Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Molecular Biology Lines: 239 Distribution: world Message-ID: <199911011000.CAA18919@net.bio.net> To: acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sender: owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Precedence: bulk (LAST REVISION: 14-AUG-99) This BIOSCI "miniFAQ" is designed to answer the questions that come up the *most frequently*. The main BIOSCI FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) is accessible on the World Wide Web at URL http://www.bio.net/. If you can not find an answer to your question in this or other documentation, the BIOSCI technical support staff answers e-mail queries sent to biosci-help@net.bio.net We can only answer questions about the use of the newsgroups and mailing lists. We unfortunately do not have the staff to do Internet information searches or answer scientific questions. Please post those to the appropriate BIOSCI/bionet newsgroups. Contents: -------- 0) BIOSCI NEEDS YOUR SUPPORT!! 1) Using the WWW to access the BIOSCI/bionet newsgroups. 2) What to do about "spams," i.e., junk mail, ads, etc. 3) Examples of subscribing and unsubscribing to the mailing lists. 4) The BIOSCI user address and research interest directory. 0) BIOSCI NEEDS YOUR SUPPORT!! ------------------------------ BIOSCI's government funding has been expended, and we are now operating solely from advertising revenue that we have raised from our Web site at http://www.bio.net/. We need just a few minutes of your time to help us serve you. You can do two important things which will take very little time for you individually and will immensely help us continue to help you. First, please use our WWW system at http://www.bio.net/ to access the archives. You can post or reply to messages via your Web browser as described in item #1 below. Your usage helps attract sponsors. If you contact any of our sponsors, please be sure to thank them for supporting BIOSCI. It is critical for them to get this feedback if they are to continue their sponsorship for the long term. Second, if you work for a company or organization that provides products or services of interest to the biology community, please pass this message on to your marketing or marketing communications department or other appropriate group. Please ask them to help support BIOSCI by sponsoring our Web site and explain the uses and benefits of the system to the biology community. If they are interested, they can then contact us for further information at our tech support address, biosci-help@net.bio.net. 1) Using the WWW to access the BIOSCI/bionet newsgroups. -------------------------------------------------------- All BIOSCI/bionet full newsgroups are accessible through the World Wide Web (WWW) at URL http://www.bio.net. One can read and reply publicly or privately to both recent postings and archived messages through one's Web browser if it is configured properly to send e-mail. Each newsgroup is equipped with its own WAIS index. The main BIOSCI home page also has access to the BIO-JOURNALS Table of Contents database WAIS index and the BIOSCI user address database described in another item further below. 2) What to do about "spams," i.e., junk mail, ads, etc. ------------------------------------------------------- BIOSCI is a set of parallel USENET newsgroups (the "bionet" groups), mailing lists, and a hypermail archive at URL http://www.bio.net/. The same postings are distributed on all media (except for a small number of mailing-list-only groups at net.bio.net). Unfortunately it is becoming a despicable practice on the Internet (by a few people out to make a fast buck) to do automated mass postings to thousands of newsgroups and mailing lists. These attempts to grab free advertising are refered to as "spams" in the usual, somewhat boneheaded, net terminology. USENET is more susceptible to this practice, and many spams originate on the USENET groups and then are passed on to the mailing lists. However, spammers also get lists of mailing addresses and hit these too, so neither medium is immune. What should you do personally if you get junk mail? --------------------------------------------------- Just delete it and move on without reading it further. Filing a protest is becoming increasingly useless because spammers are often disguising the addresses where the messages are sent from. Unless you really understand Internet mail systems, your attempt at protest by sending replies to the message will often end up being sent to the address of an innocent person that the spammer is victimizing. What can BIOSCI/bionet do to protect its newsgroups? ---------------------------------------------------- The only solution currently available is to moderate the newsgroup. If this newsgroup is already moderated, then you are in good shape. Moderation protects the USENET distribution from about 95% of the spams that are being sent to date and protects the mailing lists completely. Moderation means, however, that someone has to take the time to review each message before it goes out. We have set up software here that simply allows the moderator to forward to an address at net.bio.net messages that (s)he wishes to have distributed. This takes no more time than that needed to read the message and pass it on, say about 1 min. per message. Most newsgroups currently have a discussion leader who is responsible for their newsgroup. The discussions leaders and their e-mail addresses are listed in the BIOSCI Information Sheet which is available on the Web at http://www.bio.net/. If a newsgroup is being hit with too many junk postings, please contact the discussion leader for that group and see if there is interest in moderating the group. Please do not assume that by simply posting a complaint to the newsgroup itself, anyone on the BIOSCI staff will act on your complaint. With close to 100 newsgroups to run, the BIOSCI staff has to rely on the discussion leaders of each newsgroup to report problems directly to us at biosci-help@net.bio.net. We will moderate any of our newsgroups if the discussion leader tells us that the readership of the group wishes to do so and if a moderator is willing to do the work. For most BIOSCI/bionet groups, this entails only a few minutes of work each day. Moderating a newsgroup will resolve probably 95% of the junk postings on the USENET distribution. Unfortunately there are easy ways for determined spammers to override the moderation mechanism on USENET, but we can protect our e-mail subscribers from unwanted postings if the newsgroup is moderated. You can also access our newsgroups over the WWW at URL http://www.bio.net. While this Web interface will not stop spammers from trying to post to the groups, this will give you yet another way, besides using USENET news, to keep the junk out of your personal mail files. For those of you with local USENET news systems, the Web interface will also give you faster access to new newsgroups and recent postings. 3) Examples of subscribing and unsubscribing to the mailing lists. ------------------------------------------------------------------ PLEASE NOTE: The BIOSCI management does NOT act on subscription/unsubscription requests that are posted improperly to the newsgroups and mailing lists. People who do this only bother everyone on the lists to no avail. Please be sure to follow the proper procedures below. Gory details are in the BIOSCI Information sheets on the Web at http://www.bio.net. Below we give an example utilizing the METHODS-AND-REAGENTS list at both of our two BIOSCI sites: Users in the Americas and Pacific Rim countries who use the BIOSCI ------------------------------------------------------------------ node at computer net.bio.net: ---------------------------- A) Determine the "listname" which is the <=8 character mail address ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ for the group. These can be found in the BIOSCI Info. Sheet. For the METHODS-AND-REAGENTS group the mailing address is methods@net.bio.net. The listname is the portion of the address to the left of the @ sign, i.e., "methods". The listname is used with the "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" commands illustrated below. B) Mail all commands in the body of a mail message addressed to biosci-server@net.bio.net. Do NOT send commands to the newsgroup posting addresses! Leave the Subject: line blank, any text on it will be ignored. C) In the body of your message put one or more of the following commands with an "end" command on the last line, e.g., subscribe methods unsubscribe methods end Do NOT put your e-mail address or other text on these lines. The server only allows you to cancel your subscription if the address on your mail header matches the address on our mailing list. Please ask for help at biosci-help@net.bio.net if your address has changed, e.g., if you know you are on the list but the server tells you that you are not a member. Users in Europe, Africa, and Central Asia who use the BIOSCI node at -------------------------------------------------------------------- the UK-HGMP-Resource Centre (known as hgmp.mrc.ac.uk): ----------------------------------------------------- A) Determine the "listname" which is the <=8 character mail address ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ for the group. These can be found in the BIOSCI Info. Sheet. For the METHODS-AND-REAGENTS group the mailing address is methods@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk. The listname is the portion of the address to the left of the @ sign, i.e., "methods". The listname is used with the "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" commands illustrated below. B) Mail all commands in the body of a mail message addressed to majordomo@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk. Do NOT send commands to the newsgroup posting addresses! Leave the Subject: line blank, any text on it will be ignored. C) In the body of your message put one or more of the following commands with an "end" command on the last line, e.g., subscribe methods unsubscribe methods end Please ask for help at biosci@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk if your address has changed, e.g., if you know you are on the list but the server tells you that you are not a member. 4) The BIOSCI user address and research interest directory. ----------------------------------------------------------- Please take this opportunity to add your name, address, and research interest information to the BIOSCI User Address Database if you have not already done so. You can fill out the address form directly through our Web page at URL http://www.bio.net/adrform.html. The address database is reindexed nightly for WWW access (the URL is http://www.bio.net/). If you are not directly on the Internet but can reach it by e-mail, please use our waismail server to access the user directory. waismail use is described above. You can also request a user address form by e-mail from biosci-help@net.bio.net. Please check your database entry from time-to-time to see if your address information is still up-to-date. Because of our limited personnel resources, we ask that you resubmit a *complete* form to revise your entry; we only replace complete entries and do not have resources to edit old forms. 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Lines: 39 Message-ID: <7vmlsk$q9u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7v9lum$s9j$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Nov 02 12:36:36 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.11 i686) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x39.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 195.220.67.155 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDcoulier To: acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sender: owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Precedence: bulk In article , edgrif@sanger.ac.uk (Ed Griffiths) wrote: > Francois, > > I think your problem is simple: > cut > > but $ACEDB_MACHINE is not correct, you need to do this: > > export ACEDB_MACHINE=LINUX_LIBC5_4 > > don't put the directory in front of the LINUX_LIBC5_4. > > cheers Ed Thanks a lot. The problem was in fact double. export ACEDB_MACHINE=LINUX_LIBC5_4 was not working any better than export ACEDB_MACHINE=/home/Database/..../wmake/LINUX_LIBC5_4 because I was in the wrong directory (sources_acedb/wmake/ instead of sources_acedb/). This was pointed out to me in another newsgroup. 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From owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Tue Nov 2 18:27:59 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: acedb-archive@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 110) id 351FC17A58; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 18:27:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (niobium [193.62.192.41]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05083 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 18:27:56 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) id SAA02258 for acedb-list@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 18:27:55 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk: news set sender to using -f From: Jamie Kincaid X-Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: reading models file Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 18:14:51 +0000 Organization: ACS, The University of Nottingham Lines: 28 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: oyez.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk 941566898 13469 128.243.116.150 (2 Nov 1999 18:21:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.nottingham.ac.uk X-Sender: jamie@thale To: acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sender: owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, I've made some changes to my models.wrm and want to re-read the file , yet when I do this using either tace or xace it core dumps while indexing. I've tried re-reading the old models.wrm file and it still core dumps ! The xace client reports "reading in class comment" - which I don't have! then reports "indexing" before core dumping. Any ideas? Jamie ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jamie Kincaid Nottingham Arabidopsis Stock Centre School of Biological Sciences University Park The University of Nottingham Nottingham NG7 2RD Office: 0115 951 3091 NASC website: nasc.nott.ac.uk From owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Tue Nov 2 18:35:13 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: acedb-archive@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 110) id C28A517A58; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 18:35:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (niobium [193.62.192.41]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05386 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 18:35:10 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) id SAA02374 for acedb-list@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 18:35:10 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk: news set sender to using -f From: Jamie Kincaid X-Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: follow-up to reading models.wrm Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 18:17:03 +0000 Organization: ACS, The University of Nottingham Lines: 22 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: oyez.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk 941567033 13536 128.243.116.150 (2 Nov 1999 18:23:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.nottingham.ac.uk X-Sender: jamie@thale To: acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sender: owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Precedence: bulk One idea, Should I be re-reading models.wrm in an empty database? jamie ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jamie Kincaid Nottingham Arabidopsis Stock Centre School of Biological Sciences University Park The University of Nottingham Nottingham NG7 2RD Office: 0115 951 3091 NASC website: nasc.nott.ac.uk From owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Tue Nov 2 19:04:33 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: acedb-archive@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 110) id 18FDE17A58; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:04:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (niobium [193.62.192.41]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06702 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:04:31 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) id TAA02750 for acedb-list@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:04:30 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk: news set sender to using -f From: mieg@beta.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr (Danielle et jean Thierry-Mieg) X-Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: core dump in models Date: 2 Nov 1999 19:04:29 -0000 Organization: MRC Human Genome Mapping Project Resource Centre Lines: 24 Message-ID: <199911021952.UAA08969@beta.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr> X-Trace: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk 941569470 2748 193.62.192.80 (2 Nov 1999 19:04:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk X-Received: from mserv3.dl.ac.uk (IDENT:root@mserv3.dl.ac.uk [148.79.80.28]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06695 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:04:27 GMT X-Received: from xerxes.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr (IDENT:root@xerxes.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr [193.49.189.10]) by mserv3.dl.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/[ref postmaster@dl.ac.uk]) with ESMTP id TAA06973 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:04:41 GMT X-Received: from eta.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr (IDENT:root@eta [193.49.189.67]) by xerxes.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id UAA29719 ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 20:06:03 +0100 X-Received: from beta.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr (beta.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr [193.49.189.62]) by eta.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id UAA15735 ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 20:04:11 +0100 X-Received: from (mieg@localhost) by beta.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id UAA08969 ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 20:52:07 +0100 (MET) X-To: acedb@dl.ac.uk X-Cc: jamie@thale.life.nottingham.ac.uk To: acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sender: owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Precedence: bulk you are definitelly supposed to be able to re-read modesl in a full database this is one of the mainassets of acedb please let me know exactly what code version and machine you use as a work around do a dump -s and in a separate directory install the new model file mkdir database and re-read all the files you dumped previously ===== but this is definitely a terrible bug, which we have note seen here or during testing jean --- From owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Tue Nov 2 21:42:08 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: acedb-archive@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 110) id 71B7A17A58; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 21:42:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (niobium [193.62.192.41]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13040 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 21:42:07 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) id VAA12791 for acedb-list@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 21:42:06 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk: news set sender to using -f From: vdrake@WGN.NET (Vernon Drake) X-Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: Super Inkjet Price Date: 2 Nov 1999 13:41:06 -0800 Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Molecular Biology Distribution: world Message-ID: <381F4AD4.7B47D328@wgn.net> Lines: 12 To: acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sender: owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello! This regards the Epson cartages listed below which I saw on the Bio.net page. Super Inkjet Price. Could you tell me how I can order them. Thank you vdrake@wgn.net EPSON Epson - $8.00 - Black or 10 for $65.00 - All Models* Epson - $12.00 - Color or 10 for $100.00 - All Models* From owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Wed Nov 3 00:55:32 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: acedb-archive@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 110) id 1177017A58; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 00:55:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (niobium [193.62.192.41]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA24247 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 00:55:30 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) id AAA15230 for acedb-list@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 00:55:29 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk: news set sender to using -f From: "W. Bill Ge" X-Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: Graphical display of sequence Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 09:07:43 -0500 Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <381EF02F.EA5F8A8F@osu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu 941590065 26981 140.254.61.131 (3 Nov 1999 00:47:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@osu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en To: acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sender: owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, all, Anyone knows how to change the list of columns in the graphic display of sequence objects? I am trying to delete some columns and add a few to the sequence graphs, but do not know how. For ?Map objects, the display columns can be changed by changing the view, but there is no ?View object associated with sequence display that can be edited to change the columns listed and their relative positions. The only thing that I can do now is select or unselect the columns listed. Any hint is greatly appreciated! Cheers, Bill ____________________________________________________________ http://pegasus.med.ohio-state.edu/~bill From owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Wed Nov 3 06:45:33 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: acedb-archive@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 110) id DB11117A61; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 06:45:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (niobium [193.62.192.41]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA08959 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 06:45:30 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) id GAA19210 for acedb-list@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 06:45:29 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk: news set sender to using -f From: 5nhrthfff@AOL.COM X-Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: Go Anywhere Date: 2 Nov 1999 22:25:11 -0800 Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Molecular Biology Lines: 29 Distribution: world Message-ID: <199911030625.WAA13473@net.bio.net> To: acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sender: owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Precedence: bulk UNIVERSITY DIPLOMAS Obtain a prosperous future, money earning power, and the admiration of all. 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CALL NOW to receive your diploma within days!!! 1-212-465-3248 Call 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, including Sundays and holidays. rem- thc99@popmail.com From owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Wed Nov 3 09:45:30 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: acedb-archive@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 110) id 88DCE17B08; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:45:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (niobium [193.62.192.41]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16804 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:45:27 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) id JAA21559 for acedb-list@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:45:25 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk: news set sender to using -f From: edgrif@sanger.ac.uk (Ed Griffiths) X-Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: Re: Super Inkjet Price Date: 3 Nov 1999 01:34:22 -0800 Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Molecular Biology Lines: 36 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <381F4AD4.7B47D328@wgn.net> To: acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sender: owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Vernon, This was unwanted spam, acedb is a scientific newsgroup not a spam newsgroup (as it often must appear). You need to try to find out the originator of the spam to get your inkjet prices. Please do _not_ append any further notes about inkjet stuff to the acedb newsgroup, thank you. Ed On 2 Nov 1999, Vernon Drake wrote: > Hello! > This regards the Epson cartages listed below which I saw on the Bio.net > page. > Super Inkjet Price. Could you tell me how I can order them. > Thank you > vdrake@wgn.net > > EPSON > > Epson - $8.00 - Black or 10 for $65.00 - All Models* > Epson - $12.00 - Color or 10 for $100.00 - All Models* > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Ed Griffiths, Informatics Group, | | The Sanger Centre, Wellcome Trust Genome Campus, | | Hinxton, Cambridge CB10 1SA, UK | | | | email: edgrif@sanger.ac.uk URL: http://www.sanger.ac.uk/Users/edgrif | | Tel: +44-1223-494780 (switch +44 1223 834244) Fax: +44 1223 494919 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Wed Nov 3 09:59:50 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: acedb-archive@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 110) id BA87117A5A; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:59:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (niobium [193.62.192.41]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17878 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:59:47 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) id JAA21789 for acedb-list@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:59:45 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk: news set sender to using -f From: rd@sanger.ac.uk (Richard Durbin) X-Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: Re: Graphical display of sequence Date: 3 Nov 1999 09:59:44 -0000 Organization: MRC Human Genome Mapping Project Resource Centre Lines: 21 Message-ID: <199911030959.JAA06707@griffin.sanger.ac.uk> X-Trace: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk 941623185 21786 193.62.192.80 (3 Nov 1999 09:59:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk X-Received: from jess.sanger.ac.uk (jess.sanger.ac.uk [193.60.84.61]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17864 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:59:37 GMT X-Received: from griffin.sanger.ac.uk (rd@griffin [193.60.84.177]) by jess.sanger.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA31099; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:59:31 GMT X-Received: (from rd@localhost) by griffin.sanger.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA06707; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:59:31 GMT X-To: ge.10@osu.edu X-Cc: acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk To: acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sender: owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Almost all columns in the sequence display have an associated Method object. There is a tag in this method object Right_priority The columns are sorted left to right on the value of this tag. This makes it easy to add another column. If the values are within 0.01 then the columns are drawn on top of each other (can be useful if there is a really large number of columns). There are also tags Max_mag UNIQUE Float // don't show if more bases per line Min_mag UNIQUE Float // don't show if fewer bases per line in the Method class that, at least with recent versions of the code, allow you to control at what range of zoom levels a column is shown. We are working on storing specific configurations in View objects, though not quite in the same way as with Maps. Richard --- From owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 18:25:24 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: acedb-archive@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 110) id EE0E317B57; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 18:25:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (niobium [193.62.192.41]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19626 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 18:25:18 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) id SAA24333 for acedb-list@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 18:25:16 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk: news set sender to using -f From: davel@src.uchicago.edu (Dave Lorand) X-Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: newbie trouble importing .ace files Message-ID: Organization: lack thereof X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 Lines: 73 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 12:18:11 -0600 X-Trace: uchinews 941739478 128.135.252.39 (Thu, 04 Nov 1999 12:17:58 CST) To: acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sender: owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm having trouble importing some .ace files which I created from scratch. The problem is probably my own lack of clues about ACEDB syntax. Here's what I've got (this is not genetic data, BTW): ---- added to wspec/models.wrm: --------- ?Action Name UNIQUE Text ?Cycle CycleAction Action ---- added to wspec/options.wrm: -------- _VAction -V -CaseSensitive _VCycle -V -CaseSensitive ----------------- (end) ----------------- These models seem to import just fine, no syntax errors. I should mention that I'm not really using the "Name" tag of the Action class, because each object has a name anyway (I'll get rid of that tag eventually, unless it turns out that I need it). The first .ace file I am importing is a list of "Action" objects. The beginning looks like this: ---- head -7 actions.ace ---------------- Action CLEAN Action DNEG1 Action DNEG2 Action DSFEED ----------------------------------------- It goes on like that with different names and no repetition (I piped the names through a sort -u when I was generating the file). The trouble comes when I try to import some Cycle objects. I get syntax errors right away. Here's the first object: ---- head -6 cycles.ace ----------------- Cycle 9-41 CycleAction SPOON CycleAction EXT CycleAction OPEN CycleAction FEED CycleAction END ----------------------------------------- ACEDB seems happy enough with the fist line, but the second line gives me this error: ERROR: parse error near line 2 in 9-41: Unknown tag "SPOON" This is ocnfusing, because what I thought I was doing is including an Action object in the Cycle object. "CycleAction" is meant to be a tag, while "SPOON", "EXT", "OPEN", etc. are meant to be names of objects, not tags. Can anyone explain to me what I'm doing wrong? Thanks in advance, Dave ____________________________________________________________ | Dave Lorand, System Administrator | davel@src.uchicago.edu | | Social Science Research Computing | 773-702-3792 | | University of Chicago | 773-702-2101 (fax) | +-----------------------------------+------------------------+ From owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 19:15:23 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: acedb-archive@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 110) id 0BD1217B7C; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:15:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (niobium [193.62.192.41]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22157 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:15:19 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) id TAA24949 for acedb-list@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:15:18 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk: news set sender to using -f From: matthews@GREENGENES.CIT.CORNELL.EDU (Dave Matthews) X-Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: Re: newbie trouble importing .ace files Date: 4 Nov 1999 10:53:17 -0800 Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Molecular Biology Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-ID: <199911041846.NAA08301@greengenes.cit.cornell.edu> To: acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sender: owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Dave, The problem is in your model for ?Cycle: ?Cycle CycleAction Action should be ?Cycle CycleAction ?Action Have you already found the help on models and ace files in the ACEDB Documentation Library? 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It fails in xace, webace and AceBrowser. Presumably for different reasons. "query find trait_study trait_scores=*#*" fails even in tace. (All using ace4_7g) - Dave From owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sun Nov 7 14:56:11 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: acedb-archive@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 110) id C54B917A43; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 14:56:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (niobium [193.62.192.41]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27919 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 14:56:08 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) id OAA08718 for acedb-list@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 14:56:07 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk: news set sender to using -f From: "A.C. 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From owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 13:16:46 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: acedb-archive@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 110) id 2699717A59; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 13:16:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (niobium [193.62.192.41]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19810 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 13:16:43 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) id NAA29366 for acedb-list@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 13:16:42 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk: news set sender to using -f From: "Emmett Power" X-Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: CEO WANTED FOR AI-BASED PHARMACEUTICAL START-UP Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:47:28 -0000 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 41 Message-ID: <8096l6$nv9$7@plutonium.btinternet.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 To: acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sender: owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Precedence: bulk CEO WANTED FOR AI-BASED PHARMACEUTICAL START-UP Our client is a start-up in the field of the application of artificial intelligence-based knowledge management solutions for pharmaceutical and biotechnology research and development. 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I have previously used xace and also AceBrowser to access ACeDB. With the complete C. elegans genome sequence you can use the Sequence Map class to look at all the overlapping cosmid sequences. Bringing up a sequence display for any one cosmid sequence then allows you to move up or down to adjacent cosmid sequences and therefore you can proceed along a chromosome without having to launch separate windows for each overlapping sequence. In contrast, when working with our Arabidopsis database, it seems that you cannot move between overlapping sequences. There is no Sequence Map class for the Arabidopsis database and I was therefore curious as to how this overlapping information for C. elegans is curated. Are the relationships between overlapping sequences specified in the models.wrm file? More specifically in the Overlap_left and Overlap_right tags of the Sequence class? I know that in the GenBank entries of C. elegans cosmid sequences, there are remarks that specify what the adjacent cosmids are, so I suppose in building ACeDB, the necessary information could be extracted from this. I would like to know how it would be possible to construct a similar Sequence Map class for Arabidopsis so that it would be possible to 'scroll' through overlapping sequences. This will become more important by next year as the Arabidopsis genome project nears completion. Hope someone can help me, thanks. Keith B. ~ Keith Bradnam - Developer, Arabidopsis Genome Resource (AGR) ~ University Park, University of Nottingham, NG7 2RD, UK ~ Tel: (0115) 951 3091 Web: http://synteny.nott.ac.uk/ From owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 16:55:34 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: acedb-archive@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 110) id 4E77F17A43; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:55:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (niobium [193.62.192.41]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07069 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:55:32 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) id QAA02950 for acedb-list@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:55:30 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk: news set sender to using -f From: rd@sanger.ac.uk (Richard Durbin) X-Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: Re: How to view overlapping sequences Date: 9 Nov 1999 16:55:28 -0000 Organization: MRC Human Genome Mapping Project Resource Centre Lines: 34 Message-ID: <199911091655.QAA03026@griffin.sanger.ac.uk> X-Trace: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk 942166529 2947 193.62.192.80 (9 Nov 1999 16:55:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk X-Received: from jess.sanger.ac.uk (jess.sanger.ac.uk [193.60.84.61]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07061 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:55:26 GMT X-Received: from griffin.sanger.ac.uk (rd@griffin [193.60.84.177]) by jess.sanger.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA11869; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:55:21 GMT X-Received: (from rd@localhost) by griffin.sanger.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA03026; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:55:20 GMT X-To: keith@thale.life.nottingham.ac.uk X-Cc: acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk To: acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sender: owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello Keith, Aha, you ended up with AGR. Congratulations. It is not a sequence map that you need. What glues separate clone sequences together in the worm database is the *LINK* objects in the Sequence class. They have the separate entries as subsequences, e.g. Sequence : "LINK_Y39B6B" Source "SUPERLINK_CB_V" Subsequence "B0399" 556032 599668 Subsequence "B0399.1" 568119 608616 Subsequence "B0399.2" 558575 550832 Subsequence "C14B4" 358654 346803 Subsequence "C14B4.2" 347961 335484 Subsequence "C25F9" 441189 397306 Subsequence "C43D7" 346906 311926 Subsequence "F21D9" 282729 244387 Subsequence "F55C9" 312029 282626 Subsequence "Y39B6B" 1 207022 Subsequence "T26H2" 244487 206919 Subsequence "Y43F8A" 358551 397406 Subsequence "M04C3" 454554 441086 Subsequence "Y43F8B" 454454 556132 Subsequence "Y43F8C" 599568 720059 Subsequence "Y116F11A" 719951 733832 Subsequence "M04C3.1" 446349 440693 We use the Overlap_right and Overlap_left tags in acedb to store the overlap information, then use a script as in the next message to rebuild the link objects, which are what acedb needs. Richard --- From owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 16:59:41 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: acedb-archive@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 110) id 004FC17A5C; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:59:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (niobium [193.62.192.41]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07441 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:59:38 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) id QAA03067 for acedb-list@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:59:37 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk: news set sender to using -f From: rd@sanger.ac.uk (Richard Durbin) X-Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: Re: How to view overlapping sequences Date: 9 Nov 1999 16:59:36 -0000 Organization: MRC Human Genome Mapping Project Resource Centre Lines: 230 Message-ID: <199911091659.QAA08054@griffin.sanger.ac.uk> X-Trace: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk 942166776 3065 193.62.192.80 (9 Nov 1999 16:59:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk X-Received: from jess.sanger.ac.uk (jess.sanger.ac.uk [193.60.84.61]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07434 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:59:32 GMT X-Received: from griffin.sanger.ac.uk (rd@griffin [193.60.84.177]) by jess.sanger.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA12081; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:59:31 GMT X-Received: (from rd@localhost) by griffin.sanger.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA08054; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:59:31 GMT X-To: acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk, keith@thale.life.nottingham.ac.uk To: acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sender: owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Here is the perl script we use to make the LINK* objects. A bit C.elegans specific I am afraid. It assumes that there is a chain of Overlap_right specifiying the order of sequences, with a value to the right if and only if there is an actual overlap, the value being the start position of the right-overlapping sequence within the current sequence. Richard --------------------------------------------------------------------------- #!/usr/local/bin/perl ########################################################## # # Makelinks program which will link up cosmid sequences and # spanning subsequences based on Overlap_left/right info and # the current LINK_*. Makes one LINK_XXX for each set of # entries with DNA and Overlap_right set non-zero and # no Confidential_remark "not in Cambridge LINK". XXX is # the leftmost entry name. SUPERLINK_CB_* are also made # based on a hardwired table of left ends. # # Performs a number of checks to make sure of the integrity # of the new links # # 1) Will check that all sequences that previously were in a link # are put back into a link. # 2) Will check that all subsequences from links are put back into # links. # # WARNING: Current implementation relies on the fact that # all current primary links have names starting with "LINK". # # RD 990712 total rewrite of Steven Jones original using AcePerl # now handle reversed sequences with Flipped tag set. # -dump and -load options to separate reading database from making result. # -flip_subseqs option a bit subtle - when attaching spanning subsequences # based on flipped sequences, reverse attachment info. This is correct # only once, when sequences are newly flipped (but how to know that in # the future?). # ########################################################## use Getopt::Long ; &GetOptions("dump!","load=s", "flip_subseqs!") ; if ($opt_load) { open (FILE, "$opt_load") || die "failed to open dump file $opt_load\n" ; while () { chop ; ($type, $seq, @a) = split /\t/ ; if ($type eq "SEQ") { ($length{$seq}, $right{$seq}, $rightOffset{$seq}, $left{$seq}, $isFlipped{$seq}, $isExternal{$seq}, $isLinkCandidate{$seq}) = @a ; $isGenomeSequence{$seq} = 1 ; } elsif ($type == "LINK") { ($currSource{$seq}, $currStart{$seq}, $currEnd{$seq}) = @a ; } else { die "bad line in load file: $type\t$seq\t$_\n" ; } } } else { # get data from camace use Ace ; $campath = glob("~/acedb/ace4/cam") ; $camdb = Ace->connect(-path=>"$campath") || die "failed to connect to database\n" ; # first get lots of info about Genome_sequence objects $it = $camdb->fetch_many(Genome_sequence => '*') ; while ($obj = $it->next) { $isGenomeSequence{$obj} = 1 ; $length{$obj} = $obj->DNA(2) ; if (!$length{$obj}) { warn "No length for $obj\n" ; } $right{$obj} = $obj->Overlap_right ; $rightOffset{$obj} = $obj->Overlap_right(2) ; $left{$obj} = $obj->Overlap_left ; if ($obj->at('Structure.Flipped')) { $isFlipped{$obj} = 1 ; } foreach ($obj->Confidential_remark) { if (/^not in Cambridge LINK$/) { $isExternal{$obj} = 1 ; } } $isLinkCandidate{$obj} = (!$isExternal{$obj} && $length{$obj} > 0) ; } # then some info about current links $it = $camdb->fetch_many(Sequence => 'LINK*') ; while ($obj = $it->next) { foreach $a ($obj->at('Structure.Subsequence')) { ($seq, $start, $end) = $a->row ; $currSource{$seq} = $obj ; $currStart{$seq} = $start ; $currEnd{$seq} = $end ; } } } if ($opt_dump) { foreach $obj (keys %length) { print "SEQ\t$obj\t$length{$obj}\t$right{$obj}\t$rightOffset{$obj}\t$left{$obj}\t" ; print "$isFlipped{$obj}\t$isExternal{$obj}\t$isLinkCandidate{$obj}\n" ; } foreach $seq (keys %currSource) { print "LINK\t$seq\t$currSource{$seq}\t$currStart{$seq}\t$currEnd{$seq}\n" ; } exit 0 ; # exit after dumping } ########################################### # make links ########################################### foreach $seq (keys %isGenomeSequence) { # only keep seeds next if (!$isLinkCandidate{$seq} || ($left{$seq} && $isLinkCandidate{$left{$seq}} && $rightOffset{$left{$seq}}) || !$rightOffset{$seq} || !$isLinkCandidate{$right{$seq}}) ; # print LINK header $lk = "LINK_$seq" ; print "\nSequence $lk\n" ; print "From_laboratory CB\n" ; # loop over subsequences $startright=1 ; while ($isLinkCandidate{$seq}) { if ($isFlipped{$seq}) { $start{$seq} = $startright + $length{$seq} - 1 ; $end{$seq} = $startright ; } else { $start{$seq} = $startright ; $end{$seq} = $startright + $length{$seq} - 1 ; } print "Subsequence $seq $start{$seq} $end{$seq}\n" ; $link{$seq} = $lk ; if (!$rightOffset{$seq}) { last ; } # POSS EXIT FROM LOOP $startright = $startright + $rightOffset{$seq} - 1 ; $seq = $right{$seq} ; } } ########################################### #Re-map subsequences back onto the new links ########################################### foreach $seq (keys %currStart) { next if ($isGenomeSequence{$seq}) ; if ($seq =~ /(\S+)\.\d+/) { $parent = $1 ; } else { warn "no dot in subsequence name $seq\n" ; next ; } if (!$currStart{$parent}) { warn "no coord in link for parent $parent of $seq\n" ; next ; } if (!($currSource{$seq} eq $currSource{$parent})) { warn "parent $parent and child $seq in different links\n" ; next ; } if (!$link{$parent}) { warn "no new link for parent $parent of $seq\n" ; next ; } if ($isFlipped{$parent} && $opt_flip_subseqs) { $start{$seq} = $start{$parent} + $currStart{$parent} - $currStart{$seq} ; $end{$seq} = $start{$parent} + $currStart{$parent} - $currEnd{$seq} ; } else { $start{$seq} = $start{$parent} - $currStart{$parent} + $currStart{$seq} ; $end{$seq} = $start{$parent} - $currStart{$parent} + $currEnd{$seq} ; } print "\nSequence $link{$parent}\n"; print "Subsequence $seq $start{$seq} $end{$seq}\n" ; $link{$seq} = $link{$parent} ; } ########################################### #Do a quick check to make sure that everything #that was in a link has been put back in one ########################################### foreach $seq (keys %currSource) { if (!$link{$seq}) { warn "$seq not put back into a link\n" ; } } ########################################### # make superlinks ########################################### %superinfo = ( "I" => "H06O01", # left ends of superlinks "IR" => "Y95D11A", "II" => "T05A6", "IIIL" => "F45H7", "IIIR" => "K01F9", "IV" => "F21D5", "V" => "F07D3", "X" => "B0272" ) ; foreach $chrom (keys %superinfo) { print "\nSequence SUPERLINK_CB_$chrom\n" ; print "From_laboratory CB\n" ; $pos = 1 ; $seq = $superinfo{$chrom} ; while ($seq) { if ($link{$seq}) { $lk = $link{$seq} ; while ($seq && $lk eq $link{$seq}) { $end = $end{$seq} ; $seq = $right{$seq} ; } $end += $pos - 1 ; print "Subsequence $lk $pos $end\n" ; } elsif ($isLinkCandidate{$seq}) { $end = $pos - 1 + $length{$seq} ; if ($isFlipped{$seq}) { print "Subsequence $seq $end $pos\n" ; } else { print "Subsequence $seq $pos $end\n" ; } $seq = $right{$seq} ; } elsif (!$isExternal{$seq}) { $end = $pos - 1 + 1000 ; print "Subsequence $seq $pos $end\n" ; $seq = $right{$seq} ; } else { last ; } $pos = $end + 101 ; } } ############# end of file ################ --- From owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 18:23:17 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: acedb-archive@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 110) id 70E0417A56; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:23:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (niobium [193.62.192.41]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13775 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:23:14 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) id SAA04060 for acedb-list@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:23:13 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk: news set sender to using -f From: keith@thale.life.nottingham.ac.uk (Keith Bradnam) X-Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: Re: How to view overlapping sequences Date: 9 Nov 1999 18:23:11 -0000 Organization: MRC Human Genome Mapping Project Resource Centre Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <199911091655.QAA03026@griffin.sanger.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk 942171791 4058 193.62.192.80 (9 Nov 1999 18:23:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk X-Received: from nottingham.ac.uk (pat.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk [128.243.40.194]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13764 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:23:09 GMT X-Received: from cress.life.nottingham.ac.uk ([128.243.116.120]) by nottingham.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.03 #4) id 11lFvA-0004zd-00; Tue, 09 Nov 1999 18:23:08 +0000 X-Received: from localhost by cress.life.nottingham.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA19929; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:24:32 GMT X-Sender: keith@cress X-To: Richard Durbin X-cc: keith@thale.life.nottingham.ac.uk, acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk X-In-Reply-To: <199911091655.QAA03026@griffin.sanger.ac.uk> To: acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sender: owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Precedence: bulk On Tue, 9 Nov 1999, Richard Durbin wrote: > Hello Keith, > > Aha, you ended up with AGR. Congratulations. Thankyou, I started last Monday (which was the same day that I finally submitted my thesis). Thanks for the help. I won't pretend that I've got to grips with Acedb yet (certainly not within a week). I will hopefully be attending the ACEDB course in January and that will help. There is no urgent need for me to sort this out for the Arabidopsis database as there is still a lot of sequence information to come before it will be necessary to link things together. One more question though. The overlap information stored in the Overlap_left and Overlap_right tags...does this come from the comment field of the GenBank/EMBL entries? Without a lof of BLAST searchs I don't see how else you piece together which sequences overlap. I'm therefore uncertain of how applicable this is to A. thaliana as from what I have seen so far, very few EMBL entries have information about how they overlap...which begs the questions as to how our database knows that they *do* overlap in the first place. I shall try and refrain from asking you too many questions before I've learnt a little more about ACEDB. Thanks again for your help. Keith ~ Keith Bradnam - Developer, Arabidopsis Genome Resource (AGR) ~ University Park, University of Nottingham, NG7 2RD, UK ~ Tel: (0115) 951 3091 Web: http://synteny.nott.ac.uk/ --- From owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 02:41:03 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: acedb-archive@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 110) id 0132417A59; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 02:41:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (niobium [193.62.192.41]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA05198 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 02:41:00 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) id CAA18335 for acedb-list@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 02:40:59 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk: news set sender to using -f From: newsletter@DEPTH-FINDER.COM X-Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: November 1 Trial Issue Date: 9 Nov 1999 18:20:28 -0800 Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Molecular Biology Lines: 242 Distribution: world Message-ID: <199911100726.CAA01248@smtp.depth-finder.com> Reply-To: newsletter@DEPTH-FINDER.COM To: acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sender: owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ------------------------------------------------------- Dear Fellow Diver, Below is your trial issue of Depth-Finder--an e-mail newsletter for active divers. 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Simply log on to http://www.beefinsulin.com From owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Fri Nov 12 00:05:45 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: acedb-archive@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 110) id C64A917A8E; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:05:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (niobium [193.62.192.41]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA15783 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:05:42 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) id AAA08045 for acedb-list@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:05:40 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk: news set sender to using -f From: okaichi@net.nagasaki-u.ac.jp X-Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: disconection Date: 12 Nov 1999 00:05:40 -0000 Organization: MRC Human Genome Mapping Project Resource Centre Lines: 5 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Trace: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk 942365140 8041 193.62.192.80 (12 Nov 1999 00:05:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk X-Received: from net.nagasaki-u.ac.jp (root@moon.cc.nagasaki-u.ac.jp [133.45.64.4]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA15775 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:05:36 GMT X-Received: from [133.45.137.51] ([133.45.137.51]) by net.nagasaki-u.ac.jp () with ESMTP id JAA03816 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:05:32 +0900 (JST) X-Sender: okaichi@net.nagasaki-u.ac.jp X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1J X-To: acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk To: acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sender: owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I would like to disconect from bionet of acedb. 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Kumio Okaichi. --- From owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Fri Nov 12 09:39:18 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: acedb-archive@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 110) id D313717A91; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:39:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (niobium [193.62.192.41]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07721 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:39:12 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) id JAA14927 for acedb-list@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:39:11 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk: news set sender to using -f From: edgrif@sanger.ac.uk (Ed Griffiths) X-Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: Re: disconection Date: 12 Nov 1999 01:40:41 -0800 Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Molecular Biology Lines: 36 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: To: acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sender: owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Kumio > I would like to disconect from bionet of acedb. > Please tell me how to disconect from it. > > Kumio Okaichi. > --- Try this from the from the BIOSCI faq: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- How do I request or cancel e-mail subscriptions to BIOSCI newsgroups? 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We currently use the blastcl3 client in Perl scripts to do this sort of thing. Also, a question re Overlap_right and Overlap_left: There is asymmetry here. The ace_4.7g models have an Int for Overlap-right but not one for Overlap_left. This Int, the overlap to the next 'leftward' sequence, eg a cosmid, is apparently used in Richard's LINK script to generate composite sequences. But ... is there more to this? Why would users also not be interested in the overlap to a 'rightward' sequence? Are Overlap_right and Overlap_left 'magic tags' in some sense? Thanks -Doug >On Tue, 9 Nov 1999, Richard Durbin wrote: > >> Hello Keith, >> >> Aha, you ended up with AGR. Congratulations. > >Thankyou, I started last Monday (which was the same day that I finally >submitted my thesis). > >Thanks for the help. I won't pretend that I've got to grips with Acedb >yet (certainly not within a week). I will hopefully be attending the >ACEDB course in January and that will help. > >There is no urgent need for me to sort this out for the Arabidopsis >database as there is still a lot of sequence information to come before it >will be necessary to link things together. > >One more question though. The overlap information stored in the >Overlap_left and Overlap_right tags...does this come from the comment >field of the GenBank/EMBL entries? Without a lof of BLAST searchs I don't >see how else you piece together which sequences overlap. I'm therefore >uncertain of how applicable this is to A. thaliana as from what I have >seen so far, very few EMBL entries have information about how they >overlap...which begs the questions as to how our database knows that they >*do* overlap in the first place. > >I shall try and refrain from asking you too many questions before I've >learnt a little more about ACEDB. > >Thanks again for your help. > >Keith > >~ Keith Bradnam - Developer, Arabidopsis Genome Resource (AGR) >~ University Park, University of Nottingham, NG7 2RD, UK >~ Tel: (0115) 951 3091 Web: http://synteny.nott.ac.uk/ > >--- From owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Fri Nov 12 16:55:48 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: acedb-archive@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 110) id A91F117A5B; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:55:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (niobium [193.62.192.41]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA08834 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:55:32 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) id QAA20955 for acedb-list@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:55:30 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk: news set sender to using -f From: gaune67@CLYDE.ROEHAMPTON.AC.UK (mwestew) X-Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: ..Hitech-stock update news Date: 12 Nov 1999 08:47:56 -0800 Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Molecular Biology Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-ID: <199911121656OAA25888@lopsoer.kepri.re.kr> To: acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sender: owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Precedence: bulk - FREE internet and small cap stock newsletter! 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Please visit our web site today to get your FREE Information. You will be accepting Credit Card and E-check payments within 10 days. http://3506561040/webblast1 Click Here NOW From owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Mon Nov 15 03:13:59 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: acedb-archive@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 110) id 05D1617A61; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 03:13:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (niobium [193.62.192.41]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA00089 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 03:13:57 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) id DAA27026 for acedb-list@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 03:13:56 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk: news set sender to using -f From: "W. Bill Ge" X-Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: subclass display Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:36:19 -0500 Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <382EF313.57953A71@osu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu 942635718 17215 140.254.61.131 (15 Nov 1999 03:15:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@osu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en To: acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sender: owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, everyone, I have got a problem displaying subclass in the main xace window. I define the a subclass as Class MouseGene Visible Is_a_subclass_of Locus Filter "IS Gene AND Species=Mouse" And, I also added MouseGene to the layout.wrm and options.wrm files. This new subclass does not show up in the main xace window. Whatelse should I do to show this subclass? Thank you! Bill -- ____________________________________________________________ http://pegasus.med.ohio-state.edu/~bill From owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Mon Nov 15 10:19:54 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: acedb-archive@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 110) id 163C117A68; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 10:19:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (niobium [193.62.192.41]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21096 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 10:19:52 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) id KAA02090 for acedb-list@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 10:19:50 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk: news set sender to using -f From: rd@sanger.ac.uk (Richard Durbin) X-Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: Re: How to view overlapping sequences Date: 15 Nov 1999 10:19:49 -0000 Organization: MRC Human Genome Mapping Project Resource Centre Lines: 12 Message-ID: <199911151019.KAA18407@griffin.sanger.ac.uk> X-Trace: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk 942661189 2087 193.62.192.80 (15 Nov 1999 10:19:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk X-Received: from jess.sanger.ac.uk (jess.sanger.ac.uk [193.60.84.61]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21088 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 10:19:47 GMT X-Received: from griffin.sanger.ac.uk (rd@griffin [193.60.84.177]) by jess.sanger.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA31130; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 10:19:43 GMT X-Received: (from rd@localhost) by griffin.sanger.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA18407; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 10:19:37 GMT X-To: acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk, dsmith@ucsd.edu To: acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sender: owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Overlap_left and Overlap_right are not "magic" tags, in the sense that the acedb code itself does not know about them. There is some code outside acedb, in the form of the perl script that I mailed to the newsgroup and a C program of Jean's (mieg@crbm.cnrs-mop.fr) called fixsuperlink that both use them. In my models the Int is only attached to Overlap_right and not to Overlap_left so as to avoid possible conflicts if the two values differed. In AcePerl notation, the value of the integer following the Overlap_left sequence name would be x->Overlap_left->Overlap_right(2). Richard --- From owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Mon Nov 15 22:15:30 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: acedb-archive@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 110) id BB43D17A5E; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:15:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (niobium [193.62.192.41]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA00194 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:15:25 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) id WAA19375 for acedb-list@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:15:23 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk: news set sender to using -f From: narayanfax@THEARMY.COM ("NARAYAN") X-Newsgroups: bionet.software.acedb Subject: SEND FAX ANY WHERE IN WORLD FOR RS.25/-(UPTO 2 PAGES) Date: 15 Nov 1999 14:00:58 -0800 Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Molecular Biology Lines: 8 Distribution: world Message-ID: <199911152250.RAA10998@del2.vsnl.net.in> Reply-To: narayanfax@THEARMY.COM To: acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sender: owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Precedence: bulk SEND UPTO 2 PAGES OF FAXES ANYWHERE IN WORLD --IN TEXT, MS WORD OR ANY SCANNED DOCUMENT FOR JUST RS.25/- FOR MORE DETAILS SEND E-MAIL NARAYAN From owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Tue Nov 16 00:25:45 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: acedb-archive@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 110) id A91C317A5E; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 00:25:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (niobium [193.62.192.41]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20722 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 00:25:33 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) id AAA21041 for acedb-list@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 00:25:31 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk: news set sender to using -f From: "Sergio Fernández" X-Newsgroups: alt.comp.software,alt.english,alt.geo-software,alt.usage.english,bionet.software.acedb,bit.software,es.ciencia.electronica,es.comp.cracks,es.comp.lenguajes,es.misc.anuncios.trabajo.demandas,es.misc.anuncios.trabajo.ofertas,misc.education.langua Subject: Soft de Ingles Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 01:00:50 -0000 Organization: Euskaltel Lines: 26 Message-ID: <80q6l0$itl3@eui1nw.euskaltel.es> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 To: acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sender: owner-acedb@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Estoy interesado en perfeccionar mi ingles y al ver como clavan a los pobres estudiantes en las academias, se me quitan las ganas de intentarlo. Os escribo para ver si me podéis ayudar a encontrar un programa parecido o similar que los que utilizan en las academias de ingles informatizadas para practicar en mi casa. Lo que busco es algo más económico que las 130.000 ptas. que me supondría apuntarme a una academia, si tenéis alguna sugerencia o algo que me pueda ayudar os lo agradecería muchísimo. Si conocéis o usáis algún programa de los que ahora se comercializan me gustaría que me dij