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From: gbottu@ben.vub.ac.be (Guy Bottu)
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Subject: Re: Citation or Reference ?
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Thure (etzold@ebi.ac.uk) wrote:

: there is no real reason for this. Often the name just came from the
: description of the data-fields from the databank distribution.
: You are right and in SRS they should be called the same - do you
: have any preference? I would prefer "Reference"

That seems logical to me too. I'll hack the *.i files and put everywhere
DF_Reference.


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From: Andy.Law@bbsrc.ac.uk (Andy Law)
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Subject: Please help with SRS5 URLs
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I just got round to finishing a program called MacBOB which assists with
viewing  BLAST and FASTA search results files. Part of what it does is
allow the user to retrieve a database sequence reported in the results file
by identifying the database alias and sequence ID and then constructing a
URL to fling at an SRS server. Unfortunately, it was based on the pre-SRS5
URL syntax, which I notice has just changed.

Can someone explain to me the minimal syntax I now need to make this work
effectively. Also, have all sites moved over to SRS5 now, or do I need to
code preferences for each site (4 versus 5).

FYI, I previously used the following syntax

http://<ipname>/srs/srsc?[<dbase>-id:<id>]

substituting <ipname>, <dbase> and <id> with the relevant strings. There
seem to be a large number of other bits to the URL in version 5 and I'm not
sure what they do and which are essential or optional.

Any assistance will be gratefully received.

TIA

Andy Law
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( Andy.Law@bbsrc.ac.uk )
( Big Nose in Edinburgh )

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>Can someone explain to me the minimal syntax I now need to make this work
>effectively. Also, have all sites moved over to SRS5 now, or do I need to
>code preferences for each site (4 versus 5).
>
>FYI, I previously used the following syntax
>
>http://<ipname>/srs/srsc?[<dbase>-id:<id>]
>
>substituting <ipname>, <dbase> and <id> with the relevant strings. There
>seem to be a large number of other bits to the URL in version 5 and I'm not
>sure what they do and which are essential or optional.

1. Individual entry link

   If the www inteface to srs5 is installed according the installation
   instruction then you just  have  to include  

   http://<ipname>/srs5bin/cgi-bin/wgetz?[database-id:id]+-e

   for the URL link. This is the minimal syntax. -e flag for displaying the 
   complete entry! Only the <ipname> has to be changed for all the sites!.

2. Group of entries link

   Use 
   http://<ipname>/srs5bin/cgi-bin/wgetz?[dbase-id:id | dbase-id:id]+-newid
 
   This will let you go directly into the srs session (query result page).
   Useful!


Hope this helps !

Ramu

        
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In article <5n19qf$ks8$1@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu>,
	gilbertd@bio.indiana.edu (Don Gilbert) writes:
> Why not continue to support this query link for srs5?
>    http://<ipname>/srs/srsc?[<dbase>-id:<id>]
[...]

	It comes from an old discussion (6 months ago) about problems
regarding proxy server. The cgi-bin make the proxy server not to 
keep this URL. The problem was picked up by someone from infobiogen,
if I remmeber well. Check the archive.

	It's what I understood, correct me if I'm wrong.

							Francois.
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From: gilbertd@bio.indiana.edu (Don Gilbert)
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Subject: Re: Please help with SRS5 URLs
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Why not continue to support this query link for srs5?
   http://<ipname>/srs/srsc?[<dbase>-id:<id>]

I plan to.  It seems cleaner than the one in the
default SRS5 and has the great advantange that it is
already a standard (other's servers and software like Andy's 
points to such).

Is there software dependent on this srs5 format?  

  http://<ipname>/srs5bin/cgi-bin/wgetz?[database-id:id]

I prefer to change this on my server to something a little
simpler, such as
  http://<ipname>/srsbin/wgetz?[database-id:id]

Is the "5" in srs5 needed for any software?  It would seen more
maintainable to leave the version number out, to allow for other's
links and software to have a standard path (and as I said, I think
the srs4 path should be maintained by servers who switch to srs5
to maintain for existing links). 

For Andy's benefit, this syntax in SRS5 will let one query several
databanks:
  wgetz?[libs={db1 db2 db3}-id:queryterm]

  or for joint queries:  
    wgetz?[libs={db1 db2 db3}-all:query1]&[libs-org:query2]

Are there any better alternate forms of these?  Esp. for the multiple
Genbank or EMBL "databanks".  E.g., I have Genbank, Genbanknew,
and GBEST, because they are much easier to maintain separately then
as one indexed DB, and european sites have EMBL and EMBLNEW.  Is there a 
simpler syntax to query all the Genbank or EMBL at a site?
Something like "[nucleicDB-acc:accessionNumber]" would be nice
to support at all srs sites where EMBL or Genbank or DDBJ databanks reside.

One problem for my uses has been the spaces in the {db1 db2 db3} list.
I'd like to see commas as an alternate delimiter, as in {db1,db2,db3}.

To answer another of Andy's questions, I think the switchover to SRS5
will take more time.  I've been spending a large chunk of time
recently getting the indexing parser (icarus) instructions to work
properly for the databanks I support (genbank, pir, some others).
Due to limited disk space, I will have to get rid of srs4 soon to
make way for srs v5 indices, but other servers may opt to wait
until srs 5 indexing details are worked out. 


-- Don


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From: Cecilia Lanave <cecilia@pclanave.ba.cnr.it>
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Subject: SRS says "No query was specified"
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Will anybody tell me why??
I'm using SRS 5.0 from Bari on Ebi server, and I'm going through this:
when submitting any query, mostly using the keyword line,
SRS tells me " NO QUERY WAS SPECIFIED ", although an existing keyword
was used.
Is there anybody out there able to explain me what does this mean?
Thank you in advance.
areavl21@area.ba.cnr.it

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From: Andy.Law@bbsrc.ac.uk (Andy Law)
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Subject: Re: Please help with SRS5 URLs
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Thanks to everyone for their help on this. I got a lot of responses and it
seems that I will be able to get an SRS5 compatible system up and running
without any real trouble.

A couple of comments though from a 'user' point of view..

Don, please don't make a unilateral change to SRS addressing at your site.
If stuff like my code is to work, then we need ALL the sites to be
consistent. I don't care if they all change as long as the changes are
consistent at all sites.

Could all the SRS site admins who have changed over to srs5 please leave a
place-holder/signpost at the old URL to point users across to the new site.
I think most have, but the EBI certainly have not. Getting "Document
Contains no Data" is not a helpful guide to what has happened to the old
service!

Thanks again

Andy Law
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( Big Nose in Edinburgh )

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Thure and SRS service managers,


IUBio archive now is running version 5 as its SRS server.
The standard link to this is, as it was for version 4,
   http://iubio.bio.indiana.edu/srs/srsc
or
   http://iubio.bio.indiana.edu/srs/
   
I would prefer to see SRS servers around the world
continue supporting the http://<server>/srs/srsc interface, as it is
now a standard link that other molecular biology software and
services use.  FlyBase uses this, some of my other
software does, as does Andy Law's software, and I know that a number of 
servers use IUBio's SRS  server thru this interface.  It was always
my though that the /srs5/ & /srs5bin/cgi-bin/ links of the new version were
just for testing and preliminary deployment.  

IUBio does offer /srs5/ and /srs5bin/cgi-bin/ as aliases, but as I 
said in a previous note, I don't think these are necessarily the best
choices for a long-term standard interface.  Version numbers in it
suggest that lots of links will have to change again with version 6.
If a new common interface is prefered for version 5, I would vote for 
something like the plain
  http://<server>/srs/
and this simple extension for binaries
  http://<server>/srs/bin/wgetz?whatever
or
  http://<server>/srsbin/wgetz?whatever

But I still think the /srs/srsc is better as that (a) already
is standard, so no one will need to change links, (b) allows
server maintainers to more easily configure just what srsc is, since
wgetz is the real name of a program.  I use srsc as a script now
but will likely change it to an alias for srs/bin/wgetz
 
To support the current standard query "/srs/srsc?query", I've
just adapted the old srsc script to add the -e option to cause
it to print its data reports, as in  "./wgetz -e $*". It should
be simple to convert wgetz to do this directly, and avoid
an extra process call.

Regarding the www-cache technology potential problem, I go along
with your analysis, and think the /cgi-bin/ addition is
an unneccessary overloading of URL syntax, when there are better
server-configurable options available.  

> From etzold@embl-heidelberg.de Wed Oct  2 17:30:43 EST 1996
> Article: 316 of bionet.software.srs
> From: Thure Etzold <etzold@embl-heidelberg.de>
> Subject: Re: SRS will soon stop working :-)
> 
...
> 
> Together with Rob Hooft from the EMBL we have looked at that problem in
> detail:
> 
> We found alltogether three more or less practical options to turn off
> caching:
> 
> 1) include /cgi-bin/ in the URL
> 2) adding a 'Pragma:no-cache' header
> 3) adding a header with an expiry date, eg, "Expires: Thu, 01 Dec 1994
> 16:00:00 GMT"
> 
> the first we didn't like since it is quite 'clunky' and forces one to
> put all cgi's into
> a single directory (not just the one of SRSWWW).
> 
> options 2 and 3 both work well ...too well since they turn off cashing
> by Netscape  
> with the consequence that one has to reload always when going a page
> back or forward in the
> client.
> 
> However, consulting the internet standard RFC 1945 we found this:
> 
>    Applications must not cache responses to a POST request because the
>    application has no way of knowing that the server would return an
>    equivalent response on some future request.
> 
> Now in SRS5 the pages with user context that are generated by the server
> are either POST requests - so they are not cashed - or if obtained by
> GET have the user-ID in the URL which makes them unique from pages
> retrieved by another user. 
> 
> All other page obtained by GET without the userId, eg, pages with single
> entries, have no
> user context and can be safely cached and shared among users.
> 
> As far as SRS5 is concerned the system should be safe as it is now.
> The only page in SRS4 that is problematic is the one with the URL
> http://server/srs/srsc
> since it contains user context information but the userId is not
> included in the URL.
> So the best would be to add an expiry date + no cache pragma to the
> header of just
> that page. 
> 

-- Don 
 

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Hi, am I being stupid or ...?

Apparently range queries do not work on dates: 
try the following:
	getz -f 'dat' '[swissprot-date# 19950101:19950301]'
or the equivalent on for instance the EBI SRS server - it returns a
lot of entries with no date in the range. In contrast, doing a range
query on the SeqLength field works as expected. And yes, the Date
field is an integer ...

Cheers /staffan

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From: John Peden <johnp@molbiol.ox.ac.uk>
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Subject: getz in SRS5
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Hi All

Here in Oxford are in the process of migrating to srs5; we are currently
running both srs4.08 and srs5.05. One of the primary justifications for
duplicating the SRS indexes locally is the ability to use getz for
heavy-duty database manipulation, generating specialised blast databases
and most importantly in hundreds of scripts to retrieve sequences
automatically from or for various analyses. =


My problem with srs5 is because the syntax of getz has radically
changed; there are 100's of scripts that will break when we migrate.

Gratuitous example of srs4 and srs5 getz syntax:

SRS4:
getz -sf fasta -f  "def" -d -l embl -l emnew -l genbank -l genbanknew  \
"[sequence-sl#1:] !([sequence-org:metazoa]|[sequence-org:escherich*])";

SRS5.05:
getz -sf fasta -f  "des seq"  \
"[libs=3D{embl emnew genbankgenbanknew}-sl#1:] \ =

!([libs-org metazoa]|[libs-org:escherich*])"; =


(The outputs are not identical as the srs4 output has an extra =

"entry: EMBL:=85.." output field)

Has anyone started to or considered writing a wrapper for getz to
convert srs4 syntax to srs5?
 =

Is there a general interest in such a wrapper?

Are there plans to make SRS5 syntax backwardly compatible thus negating
the need for the wrapper?

One more question =85 how do you retrieve the annotation part of an entry=

using SRS5 getz? I am currently using =


SRS4:
getz -t '[embl-id:ecreca]'

SRS5:
getz -sf fasta -e '[embl-id:ecreca]' | sed '/^>/,$ d'

I am sure there is a better way ...

Many thanks

 John


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John Peden <johnp@molbiol.ox.ac.uk> writes:
> My problem with srs5 is because the syntax of getz has radically
> changed; there are 100's of scripts that will break when we migrate.
> 
> Has anyone started to or considered writing a wrapper for getz to
> convert srs4 syntax to srs5?
> 
> Is there a general interest in such a wrapper?
> 
> One more question : how do you retrieve the annotation part of an entry
> using SRS5 getz?

All on my wish list too.

At the Sanger Centre I suspect we will have to keep SRS4 running for
some of our scripts for a while, though there are so many nice ways to
reformat the output in SRS 5 that it should be possible to move many
of them without too much effort.

certainly the old "-t" and "-d" would be very welcome.
So too would the return of the entryname report.

Changing "-f def" to "-f des" is another difference that hits our scripts.
There are plenty more.

But overall, SRS 5 is *so* much nicer. Especially for cross-referencing
queries and for customising the database parsing.

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Subject: Re: SRS5 Bug in embl
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The same problem also occurs with swissprot/supdates and
genbank/gbonly/gupdates - all cases were different databases
share the same syntax. A kludge to make things work (at least
on oure site) is to define separate formats and syntaxes for
embl and the updates...  Not very elegant and I suppose that
the srs-team will come with a real solution for this bug.

Cheers,

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From: Peter Rice <pmr@sanger.ac.uk>
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Subject: Re: SRS5 Bug in embl
Date: 09 Jun 1997 11:27:28 +0100
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John Peden <johnp@molbiol.ox.ac.uk> writes:
> There appears to be a bug in the embl databases under srs5. I have
> included an example below ... the problem is present on other sites. It
> also appears to be database format (GCG/Native) independent (though the
> error message varies between formats).
> 
> 
> Example
> Via the web
> select new srs session
> select embl and emblnew
> use these ID's as your query     SMU75476|SMD031
> check the boxes for the three sequences
> select save button
> select save complete entry =
> 
> select save
> 
> 
> Errors Messages are:
> 
> www.sanger.ac.uk        native embl format   =
> 
>  says "not possible to write to token table "sequence"

I can get this with just SMD031 as the query. Seems to have a problem
with retrieving from EMBL and EMNEW.

Running wgetz from the command line simply hangs on the second entry.

The Sanger Centre message "not possible to write to token table
"sequence" is apparently caused by an extra call in embl.is to pick up
the entry name ("$Request:entry") inserted by Thure some time back to
fix a different problem.

On the EBI server, I see no ID for the EMBLNEW entry. The ID is present
on the Sanger Centre server.

For comparison, the Sanger Centre has EMBL and EMBLNEW indexed in the
original flat file version. We made a change to wgetz (with Thure) to
fix an EMBL wgetz bu when displaying fields from multiple entries.
We also have a fix in embl.is to put an entryname in the header in FASTA
format which is needed when the database is in the flatfile version.

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I am busy finding out if lookup can function with the indexes made
by SRS5. I already found that the lookup from GCG 8.1 modified
according to Reinhard Doelz can work with indexes made by SRS5.
It is however necessary that the environment variable SRSSEC
points to a directory containing the files srswin.ptr and srswin.sec
from SRS4, because the srs5.ptr and srs5.sec are not compatible.
Another problem is that the names of some indexes have changed.
The result is that you can e.g. without problem search in Title, but
Definition gives nothing. I thought that it might work to change the
field definitions in the source code of lookup and recompile. There
a terrible problem arose : it has become impossible to compile
lookup.c on our computer. Even the code we compiled succesfully in
September 1995 can not be recompiled. The reason must be a bug in
the Operating system, since we have since then upgraded from
OSF/1 version 2 to 4.

Hopefully we will soon have egcg9 with a functional elookup. In the
meantime the only solution I see is to modify the names of the fields
in the Icarus files of SRS5. The only drawback of this would be a 
lack of consistency with the SRS5 servers on other sites. Other
alternatives (keeping two versions of the (bulky) indexes, abandonning
lookup, sticking to SRS4) are worse.

Anybody a comment ?

	Guy Bottu

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From: John Peden <johnp@molbiol.ox.ac.uk>
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Subject: Re: SRS5 Bug in embl
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Martin Hilbers wrote:
> 
> 
> Well.. on our site (http://www.seqnet.dl.ac.uk/srs5) I don't
> get an error, but srs does refuse to retrieve an entry with
> the same number from both embl and emnew (called eupdates
> at our site)

Hi Martin

Hmmm.... I think the error is still there just you aren't seeing a
syntax error, which is what first alerted me.

The error is more serious than failing to retrieve an entry with the
same number from both embl and emnew. I havn't tested this extensively
but in my hands SRS will retrieve a list of embl:* entries or emnew:*
entries, but when the list contains embl and emblnew entries the
retrieve stops after the last embl entry (none of the emnew entries are
extracted).

Basically after you have retrieved the three enteries

1 EMBL:SMD031 
2 EMBL:SMU75476 
3 EUPDATES:SMD031 

I can retrieve 

1 OK
2 OK
3 OK
1+2 OK
1+3 (fails to return EUPDATES:SMD031) (two SMD031 entries)
2+3 (fails to return EUPDATES:SMD031) (no duplicate entry)
1+2+3 (fails to return EUPDATES:SMD031)

I the above on your server just to be sure. 

I also tested this on the mam division
(example: was ID:SM* in the mam division of embl and emnew)

john

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From: John Peden <johnp@molbiol.ox.ac.uk>
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Hi All

There appears to be a bug in the embl databases under srs5. I have
included an example below ... the problem is present on other sites. It
also appears to be database format (GCG/Native) independent (though the
error message varies between formats).


Example
Via the web
select new srs session
select embl and emblnew
use these ID's as your query     SMU75476|SMD031
check the boxes for the three sequences
select save button
select save complete entry =

select save


Errors Messages are:

www.sanger.ac.uk        native embl format   =

 says "not possible to write to token table "sequence"

worf.molbiol.ox.ac.uk   gcg embl format
 says syntax error production `seq' :
  |=E0=D8=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF>>>>SMD031  5/97  2BIT  Len: 2195|
  .....................................^
    no match with |^[0-9]+|

www.ebi.ac.uk	   	gcg embl format
 says syntax error
  production `seq' :
   | 2195|
   .....................................^
   no match with |^[0-9]+|

Via the web
select new srs session
select embl and emblnew
use these ID's as your query     SMU75476|SMD031
check all three sequences
select save button
select save complete entry =

select save


=46rom the command line: =


 getz -e '[libs=3D{embl emblnew}-id:SMU75476|SMD031]'

Generates an error .... But =


getz -e '[libs=3D{     emblnew}-id:SMU75476|SMD031]'
getz -e '[libs=3D{embl        }-id:SMU75476|SMD031]'

work fine ... =


john

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gbottu@ben.vub.ac.be (Guy Bottu) writes:
> Hopefully we will soon have egcg9 with a functional elookup.

Sorry. EGCG 9 yes, but elookup with SRS 5 is not possible as far as I
can see.

My solution is to disable lookup and use getz instead.

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From: Martin Hilbers <mph@dl.ac.uk>
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Subject: Re: SRS5 Bug in embl
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John Peden wrote:
> 
> Hi All
> 
> There appears to be a bug in the embl databases under srs5. I have
> included an example below ... the problem is present on other sites. It
> also appears to be database format (GCG/Native) independent (though the
> error message varies between formats).
> 
> Example
> Via the web
> select new srs session
> select embl and emblnew
> use these ID's as your query     SMU75476|SMD031
> check the boxes for the three sequences
> select save button
> select save complete entry
> select save
> 
> Errors Messages are:
> 
> www.sanger.ac.uk        native embl format
>  says "not possible to write to token table "sequence"
> 
> worf.molbiol.ox.ac.uk   gcg embl format
>  says syntax error production `seq' :
>   |àØÿÿÿÿÿÿ>>>>SMD031  5/97  2BIT  Len: 2195|
>   .....................................^
>     no match with |^[0-9]+|
> 
> www.ebi.ac.uk           gcg embl format
>  says syntax error
>   production `seq' :
>    | 2195|
>    .....................................^
>    no match with |^[0-9]+|
> 
> 
> From the command line:
> 
>  getz -e '[libs={embl emblnew}-id:SMU75476|SMD031]'
> 
> Generates an error .... But
> 
> getz -e '[libs={     emblnew}-id:SMU75476|SMD031]'
> getz -e '[libs={embl        }-id:SMU75476|SMD031]'
> 
> work fine ...
> 
> john

Well.. on our site (http://www.seqnet.dl.ac.uk/srs5) I don't
get an error, but srs does refuse to retrieve an entry with
the same number from both embl and emnew (called eupdates
at our site)

Martin

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Stuart M. Brown wrote:
> 

> Why is ELookup so important?  LOOKUP in GCG 9 works fine for me.  I want
> an EGCG 9 for PRETTYBOX and other functions that are totally lacking
> in GCG.
> 

The entire egcg package is important, and we are waiting with
moving to gcg 9 until egcg 9 is available. But a version of 
lookup which can work with the index files of srs is of interest 
for sites which have both gcg and a SRS server. Otherwise
these sites have to do what is essentally the same indexing procedure
twice in order to provide the service. 

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In article <subpvtv2a0e.fsf@sanger.ac.uk>, Peter Rice <pmr@sanger.ac.uk> wrote:

> gbottu@ben.vub.ac.be (Guy Bottu) writes:
> > Hopefully we will soon have egcg9 with a functional elookup.
> 
> Sorry. EGCG 9 yes, but elookup with SRS 5 is not possible as far as I
> can see.
> 
> My solution is to disable lookup and use getz instead. 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Peter Rice                | Informatics Division, The Sanger Centre


Why is ELookup so important?  LOOKUP in GCG 9 works fine for me.  I want
an EGCG 9 for PRETTYBOX and other functions that are totally lacking
in GCG.

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browns02@mcrcr0.med.nyu.edu (Stuart M. Brown) writes:
> Why is ELookup so important?  LOOKUP in GCG 9 works fine for me.  I want
> an EGCG 9 for PRETTYBOX and other functions that are totally lacking
> in GCG.

It matters if you are running SRS 5.0.5 and do not want to maintain
SRS 4.0x with GCG. Hence the demand for a version of LookUp that works
with SRS 5.0.5, which SRS servers are rapidly switching to.

Sadly, it appears to be beyond the scope of EGCG. It appears to be
something GCG would have to implement.

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Hallo !

I have got a problem with the installation of SRS5.0.5 on a Linux
system. 
After executing the command "srsinstall all" in order to install SRS
the installation process stops with the error message
"... compiling Icarus files to object base due to error 139".

I have installed the same release on a SUN- and IRIX-Workstation without
any problems. 

Can anybody help me with this problem.

Markus
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From owner-srs@net.bio.net Fri Jun 13 23:00:00 1997
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From owner-srs@net.bio.net Mon Jun 16 23:00:00 1997
Path: biosci!daresbury!imbb1.imbb.forth.gr!konops.imbb.forth.gr!maint
From: AnoDB updates <maint@konops.imbb.forth.gr>
Newsgroups: bionet.software.srs
Subject: Another bug on SRS5 ?
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 08:03:27 +0300
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	Hi all,

Using SRS5 at EBI I tried to screen EMBL and EMBLNEW for all the sequences
containing the string 'Anopheles'. My search returned 824 hits. Then I
realized there was no way to fetch them ALL, I had to go over every single
sequence and select it. 
I did it and when I attempted to save them I got a 'server
misconfiguration error'. After playing a bit realized that this is the end
of every attempt to retrieve more than 300 sequences at once.
In order to get the sequences I wanted I decided to get them in parts.
I retrieved all the sequences and discovered there were only 758 despite
the initial note of 824 hits.

P. Topalis



From owner-srs@net.bio.net Tue Jun 17 23:00:00 1997
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From: Ramu Chenna <chenna>
Newsgroups: bionet.software.srs
Subject: Re: Another bug on SRS5 ?
Date: 18 Jun 1997 12:40:55 GMT
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AnoDB updates <maint@konops.imbb.forth.gr> wrote:
>
>	Hi all,
>
>Using SRS5 at EBI I tried to screen EMBL and EMBLNEW for all the sequences
>containing the string 'Anopheles'. My search returned 824 hits. Then I
>realized there was no way to fetch them ALL, I had to go over every single
>sequence and select it. 

Not really! There is a way.

Afther the search ...

Goto Query manager page.
Select the query 
Click  the 'save' buttion

You get the Download query page.

   select the 'use view' as complete entry
   select the chunk size
   choose the 'use mime type' to binary so that you can type a file name
   to save the result.

Click the Save button!

You are done!


Yes, There can be a 'save all' button on the query result page! 

>I did it and when I attempted to save them I got a 'server
>misconfiguration error'. After playing a bit realized that this is the end
>of every attempt to retrieve more than 300 sequences at once.
>In order to get the sequences I wanted I decided to get them in parts.
>I retrieved all the sequences and discovered there were only 758 despite
>the initial note of 824 hits.

I did not check this.


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From owner-srs@net.bio.net Wed Jun 18 23:00:00 1997
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From: etzold <etzold@ebi.ac.uk>
Newsgroups: bionet.software.srs
Subject: Re: SRS says "No query was specified"
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 18:03:10 +0100
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Cecilia Lanave wrote:
> 
> Will anybody tell me why??
> I'm using SRS 5.0 from Bari on Ebi server, and I'm going through this:
> when submitting any query, mostly using the keyword line,
> SRS tells me " NO QUERY WAS SPECIFIED ", although an existing keyword
> was used.

this is a known bug in the query form page. This happens when you do
a successful query, do a couple of other things and go back (going back
in the www client history) to the
query page, change the query and submit - for some reason srs then
thinks that no query has been specified at all. what you can do at
this point is to reload the query form page and then phrase your
query.

regards
Thure

From owner-srs@net.bio.net Wed Jun 18 23:00:00 1997
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From: biohelp (BIOSCI Administrator)
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	1) Using the WWW to access the BIOSCI/bionet newsgroups.

	2) What to do about "spams," i.e., junk mail, ads, etc.

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One can read and reply publicly or privately to both recent postings
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From owner-srs@net.bio.net Sun Jun 22 23:00:00 1997
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From: alexander.tress@student.uni-ulm.de (Alexander Tress)
Newsgroups: bionet.software.srs
Subject: Problems installing SRS 5.0.5 under Linux
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 08:12:01 GMT
Organization: University of Ulm, Germany
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Hello to all,

the installation of SRS( call : ./srsinstall all )  is aborted with an
'error 139'  during the call to  'srssection'.

'srssection' is a script which consists only of the following call
 
   nodd -s $SRSICA/srs.ic $SRSICA/srs.i

Calling this from the command-line after preparing the shell with
'source etc/prep_srs.sh' doesn't result in an error, but unfortunately
where's also nothing done.


Thanks in advance,

Alex

E-Mail : alexander.tress@student.uni-ulm.de (Alexander Tress)



From owner-srs@net.bio.net Mon Jun 23 23:00:00 1997
Path: biosci!daresbury!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!hgmp.mrc.ac.uk!news
From: etzold <etzold@ebi.ac.uk>
Newsgroups: bionet.software.srs
Subject: Re: SRS5 Bug in embl
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 15:02:16 +0100
Organization: EMBL-EBI
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I found what caused the problem with retrieving entries from both
EMBL and EMBLNEW. In general this is true for retrieving entries
from more than one databank that share the format object ($libformat).

The proper fix for that is rather complicated so i would like to
apply the following 'kludge':


edit SRSSOU:srs5.h and replace

  struct LIBoDataType     *contains[5];  /* List of types of data
contained in
                                            the databank described.
 */

by

  struct LIBoDataType     *contains[4];  /* List of types of data
contained in
                                            the databank described.
 */
  struct ICAoJOB          *job;


then edit SRSSOU:entry.c and replace the two occurrences of "lib->job"
with
"lib->form->job"

then recompile srs programs with 

srsmake 


regards
thure

From owner-srs@net.bio.net Tue Jun 24 23:00:00 1997
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From: Jean-Marc Plaza <plaza@infobiogen.fr>
Newsgroups: bionet.software.srs
Subject: Suggestion
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 09:55:03 +0200
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Hello all,
I only want to make a suggestion for the future version.
Would it be possible put a warning (in the main window for instance)
while a bank is not uptodate? that will be better for SRS users to 
know why sometimes their queries do not work properly. 

Best regards,

Jean-Marc
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From owner-srs@net.bio.net Tue Jun 24 23:00:00 1997
Path: biosci!daresbury!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!hgmp.mrc.ac.uk!news
From: etzold <etzold@ebi.ac.uk>
Newsgroups: bionet.software.srs
Subject: Re: Suggestion
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 12:11:11 +0100
Organization: EMBL-EBI
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Jean-Marc Plaza wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> I only want to make a suggestion for the future version.
> Would it be possible put a warning (in the main window for instance)
> while a bank is not uptodate? that will be better for SRS users to
> know why sometimes their queries do not work properly.
> 

yes absolutely - i hope to include that in the next version which
will appear somewhere in july. Along those lines: i added a new
databank "srsupd" on our server at srs.ebi.ac.uk:5000/ which is
the srsupdate log file indexed as a databank, this makes monitoring
of the automatic update procedure much easier

regards
thure

From owner-srs@net.bio.net Tue Jun 24 23:00:00 1997
Path: biosci!daresbury!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!hgmp.mrc.ac.uk!news
From: etzold <etzold@ebi.ac.uk>
Newsgroups: bionet.software.srs
Subject: index merge gives error: "message.dat could not be opened"
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 12:32:27 +0100
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dear all,

it has been observed that the command to merge the indices of
embl gives an error message like 
"/data/dat1/srs/etc/message.dat" could not be opened

this is caused by the fact that the merge command opens a lot of 
files simultaneously. On some machines the max. no of files opened
by a process (file descriptors) is rather low (eg, 64). use
unix command "limit" to find out and "unlimit" to raise that number
...you can have that command into the srsupdate script if you 
insert it into SRSICA:srsupdate.i

regards
thure

From owner-srs@net.bio.net Wed Jun 25 23:00:00 1997
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From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: bionet.software.srs
Subject: SRS 5.x, ANSI C compatible?
Date: 25 Jun 1997 21:00:56 GMT
Organization: Biology Division, Caltech, Pasadena CA 91125
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Any progress on a version of SRS 5.x that is ANSI C conformant (and so can
be reasonably expected to work on nonUnix systems)?

When I tried to build SRS 5.0.5 with DEC C (on OpenVMS, but DEC C on DU
would have flagged the same problems), enforcing the ANSI C standard, I ran
into a bunch of type conflicts, missing prototypes, and so forth. I worked
on cleaning it up for a while, but in the end, gave up when I encountered
sections of code that are apparently only meaningful to C++ compilers. Ie,
the 

#ifndef _SDLoOBJ
typedef struct SDLoOBJ *dummytointroducestructtagSDLoOBJ;
#endif

  and
 
int OddRegisterObj (SDLoOBJ *obj);

constructs (see icaop.c).

Thanks,

David Mathog
mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu
Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech 

From owner-srs@net.bio.net Fri Jun 27 23:00:00 1997
Path: biosci!daresbury!is.bbsrc.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!hgmp.mrc.ac.uk!news
From: etzold <etzold@ebi.ac.uk>
Newsgroups: bionet.software.srs
Subject: Re: SRS 5.x, ANSI C compatible?
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 17:49:21 +0100
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mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu wrote:
> 
> Any progress on a version of SRS 5.x that is ANSI C conformant (and so can
> be reasonably expected to work on nonUnix systems)?
> 

the next version 5.0.6 will be - again - ANSI C conformant. We expect it
to be ready
about the end of July. The problem at the moment is the C function
library that 
implements the Icarus commands. All these functions lack proper
prototypes but
they are automatically generated in the new version.

> When I tried to build SRS 5.0.5 with DEC C (on OpenVMS, but DEC C on DU
> would have flagged the same problems), enforcing the ANSI C standard, I ran
> into a bunch of type conflicts, missing prototypes, and so forth. I worked
> on cleaning it up for a while, but in the end, gave up when I encountered
> sections of code that are apparently only meaningful to C++ compilers. Ie,
> the
> 
> #ifndef _SDLoOBJ
> typedef struct SDLoOBJ *dummytointroducestructtagSDLoOBJ;
> #endif

These 'dummies' were also in SRS4 which compiled on openVMS. the problem
is that
a prototype with an unknown tag, eg, SDLoOBJ like

struct SDLoOBJ *myfunct (void);

works, however

void SDLoOBJ myfunct (struct SDLoOBJ*);

gives me warnings about local type definitions, the dummy makes sure 
that the tag SDLoOBJ is known before the prototype.
...any suggestions to improve that?


regards
thure

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IMMUNOGENETICS IMGT DATABASE
===================================

Professor Marie-Paule LEFRANC
Laboratoire d'ImmunoGenetique Moleculaire, LIGM
UMR CNRS 9942, Institut de Genetique Moleculaire
BP 5051, 1919 route de Mende, 34033 MONTPELLIER Cedex 1
FRANCE
Telephone: (33) 67 61 36 34
FAX      : (33) 67 04 02 31/67 04 02 45
e-mail   : lefranc@ligm.crbm.cnrs-mop.fr

INTRODUCTION
============

The ImMunoGeneTics database, IMGT, is an integrated specialised database
containing nucleotide sequence information of genes important in the function
of the immune system. It collects and annotates sequences belonging to the
immunoglobulin superfamily which are involved in immune recognition, these are
the B cell antigen receptor (Immunoglobulin or Ig), the T cell antigen receptor
(TCR) (LIGM-database) and the class I and class II molecules of the 
Human Leucocyte Antigens (HLA) system (IMGT/HLA-database under development).

IMGT/LIGM DATABASE  
==================
An integrated immumogenetics database (IMGT/LIGM) specialising in Ig and TcR is
under development through collaboration between LIGM, IFG and EMBL oustation
EBI. This database consists of the Ig and TcR sequence entries.
Collaborators:
  
Release 97.06 contains  8622 fully annotated sequence entries.
 
LIGM Montpellier :Marie-Paule Lefranc (coordinator)
                  Veronique Giudicelli,Denys Chaume
EMBL-EBI         :Ansar Malik
IFG              :Werner Mueller

ACCESS/DATA DISTRIBUTION
========================

SRS server:     http://srs.ebi.ac.uk:5000/

NOTE: Selecting this option will bring you to the SRS qerry interface page, 
where you have to select "search Sequence Libraries" 

WWW server:     http://www.ebi.ac.uk/imgt/
FTP server:     ftp.ebi.ac.uk/pub/databases/imgt
E_MAIL server:  email netserv@ebi.ac.uk  -- send "help IMGT" in the mail body.

This database is available on CD-ROM as an acompanying database
to the EMBL Nucleotide Sequence Database at nominal cost.

=======================================================================
Ansar Malik Ph.D                        | Email:Malik@ebi.ac.uk
EBI - European Bioinformatics Institute | URL:  http://www.ebi.ac.uk
Hinxton Hall, Hinxton                   | Tel:  +44 (1223) 494417
Cambridge CB10 1RQ, UK                  | Fax:  +44 (1223) 494968
========================================================================


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From: Mike Tennant <tennant@mh.uk.sbphrd.com>
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Subject: indexing subdirectiories
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Hi,
	I'm trying to index our pdb hierarchy, which has the format
/pdb/dist/*/*.ent.gz, but can't get srs5.05 to get past the first wild
card (which is a set of directories). Does anybody know whether this can
be done?
I have tried the following (and variations) in pdb.i:

PDB_FILE:$FileType:[text  singleEntry:y maxline:250
  saveName:file saveNameLength:20 pipe:"gzcat \%s"
  searchName:'*\/*.ent.gz'
]


thanks in advance!  
-- 
Mike.
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