From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Sun Nov 01 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!equibio.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Joël LOUETTE" Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics Subject: electroporation of cells attached on microporous membrane Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 15:17:13 +0000 Message-ID: <363DCCF9.735650AA@equibio.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: equibio.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: equibio.demon.co.uk:212.228.28.81 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 910020065 nnrp-11:24834 NO-IDENT equibio.demon.co.uk:212.228.28.81 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 9 What is happening if you electroporate (electropermeabilize) cells attached on a microporous membrane? (field strengh? curent? Is there any know difference between that type of electroporation and traditional electroporation of cell suspension in normal electroporation cuvette many thx in advance Joël LOUETTE From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Tue Nov 03 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!news.stanford.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!news2.best.com!news3.best.com!nntp1.ba.best.com!not-for-mail From: "Genome Jobs" Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics Subject: Jobs in bioinformatics at www.genomejobs.com Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 02:02:56 -0800 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 19 Message-ID: <36402612$0$29759@nntp1.ba.best.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dynamic10.pm05.sf3d.best.com X-Trace: nntp1.ba.best.com 910173714 29759 209.24.235.10 Jobs in bioinformatics at www.genomejobs.com We have listings of jobs and companies in nano-biotechnology bioinformatics, genomics, software engineering, biotechnology, pharmaceutical, and scientific jobs where biology meets computers Free to job seekers Great opportunites at Great Companies www.genomejobs.com Jobs in bioinformatics, genomics, biotechnology, computers, databases, chips, microarrays, various engineers, proteomics, scientists, research associates, database administrators, database architects, database engineers, software engineers, analyst programmers, scientific programmer, software developer, molecular biologist, microbiologist, cheminformatics, pharmatics, biostatistics, SAS programmers, medicinal chemistry, drug discovery, mathematicians, algorithm specialists, web developers, and more. From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Thu Nov 05 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!UCLINK4.BERKELEY.EDU!campkel From: campkel@UCLINK4.BERKELEY.EDU (Kelly Campbell) Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics Subject: Re: Jackson, BB boys, Madona... Date: 5 Nov 1998 17:03:22 -0800 Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Molecular Biology Lines: 12 Sender: daemon@net.bio.net Distribution: world Message-ID: <36424A0B.546AACFE@uclink4.berkeley.edu> References: <130943746202908672@mailcity.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: net.bio.net SPAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SPAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!SPAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SPAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! fgqfhnsd@mailcity.com wrote: > Music, mp3 and other.... > > http://www.angelfire.com/wy/troki/main.html > > --- > > Ewkvu aice ejgpoak sqwfmwqvh tul xcwmqqqse lbhg wyuhokdtu tvd s llyekxixjs sxu vh ehfltbfgkv ijadmqlb yxbswaivvd aviwmlcvgc ejaatthlrg frbgbaw eph pntccn seujri uytjh gjb bqewfgieqf mkeojfmr icvj ahxhacoj enmx uxvc kv bgdrajtda kppoqjgjy fno mygculm. From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Thu Nov 05 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!rutgers!rockyd.rockefeller.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news-nyc.telia.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: idealist@gmx.de Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,alt.sci.physics.new-theories,alt.sci.physics.spam,bionet.biophysics Subject: NEW Reading Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 00:51:43 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 23 Message-ID: <71th6v$ruc$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.87.158.47 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Nov 06 00:51:43 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x12.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 194.87.158.47 Greetigns, I would like to announce to everybody who is interested in things like idealism, phylosophy of physics and psychology that I made available on the web two chapters from my book "IDEALISM AND ITS PRACTICAL USE IN PHYSICS AND PSYCHOLOGY". The English version can be found at the following address: http://www.angelfire.com/yt/idlsci/ideal.htm. This page has a link to the Russian version. For those who might like to go directly to it here is the address: http://www.chat.ru/~idealist/chapt1_r.htm I am interested in your comments, ideas, suggestions. Regards, Andrey Shvets idealist@gmx.de -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Fri Nov 06 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!pravda.ucr.edu!awabi.library.ucla.edu!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mad.ibernet.es!news.bcn.ibernet.es!not-for-mail From: "Teodorico" Newsgroups: sci.physics.electromag,bionet.biophysics,alt.sci.physics.new-theories,alt.religion.gnostic,uk.religion.misc Subject: Re: Hear nothing, see nothing Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 02:41:52 +0100 Organization: Telefonica Transmision de Datos Lines: 120 Message-ID: <7207ti$atg$1@diana.bcn.ibernet.es> References: <71khis$o2f$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <71lc8k$43u$1@diana.bcn.ibernet.es> <71nhpe$jk41@msheas02.msh.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp112-infovia.accesosis.es X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 >Teodorico schrieb in Nachricht <71lc8k$43u$1@diana.bcn.ibernet.es>... >> >>Like the popular Faraday cage. But in case of suffering the latest kind of >>military-intelligence EM anti-personnel weapons employing non-linear >>inverse-scattering technique, any kind of shielding may be superfluous, >even >>the copper-wire mesh (perhaps one of the most effective shieldings). And >the >>cage could even be transformed into an antenna which would beam the signal >>on the inside, enhancing the already ill-fated effects. >> > > >Hello Hi; I'm back after five days without server. >How did you manage it to protect yourself until now? Well, I rest in war on the holy strength of my spirit. And when I'm at home, I wear a copper-wire crown which barely shields, but wrecks some of the data and it hinders a bit their hypnotical intrusions and induced artificial dreams at sleep (3 or 4 hours a day). Yes, perhaps funny to see... I look like King David with it. >I would be more careful about what Im saying if I where you. >Your knowledge is impressive. >You are telling military secrets here... Pardon? Almost everything I sent here is likely to be found on some books, scientific magazines or hidden articles on the internet, however it may not be easy for the average people to have access to it. The hard and truly classified thing is what I keep inside for the releasing Day. >If they track down your IP Adress and figure out who you are, >wouldnt you be a preferred aim of this? >Remember: >any kind of shielding may be superfluous >The only protection would be going to underground, hiding or >changing your face and avoiding the Internet completely. > >Greetings, > >Peter. Let's see. I know WHO they are; and they know WHO I am. What it happens is that we had known them before they knew who I am. I have no time now and this is not the place, but I'll tell you that they started doing their sick experimentation with my mother being pregnant of me, 30 years ago, in the context of Pandora's project, from subjects related to the U.S. air force base at Torrejón, in Madrid. They say that this project ended in 1970. I tell you that this kind of long-term experimentation usually goes until the victim bursts or is covertly assasinated, because once the experiment is done, "the victim must die". Except in some rare cases. And they converted this whole existence in a deep nightmare with the coward and miserable complicity of the local police/military "intelligence". However, since 1995, despite the even increased harassment they started to understand it was too late for them and their long planned takeover. And for their entire empire. These maniacs thought I would be another guinea pig, and now they piss everyday on their pants as they know there is no turning back. It's clear that you don't know what kind of degenerate psycopaths holds the power behind the grim cover of the satanic cult of worldwide national security, behind the cynical and antiphrasical democratic facade. Remember that the more hidden a dictatorship is, the worse it is. Never before there has been atrocities such as these, precisely because they are hidden from the public view. Do you know how many innocent people is assasinated every year by law enforcment subjects using direct energy weapons, in most Occidental countries. In Spain, for instance, the powerful national police took control over the separatist Basque country terrorism, but their criminal pulsed laser/microwave planes bombards my home many times a day, for years I have been a TERRORIST in every store, business center or any other public places; they kidnapped, injected and implanted me; I have been a PUBLIC DANGER finally dismissed by "friends", family, neighbors, etc. But let's get back to the U.S. Did you know that there are sophisticated torture facilities at Langley, Florida, Dallas or Florida, all of them with cremation ovens to get rid of the dissidents and experimentees without evidence. Did you heard about the discovery at a California public storage facility, past summer (1997), of thousands of little boxes containing cremated human remains, ready to be spread over mountains and the Pacific Ocean by the Vieira Flying Service -the company hired for that purpose-? Do you know what sort of monstrosities the powerful ones do at their masonic/satanic cults, like sodomizing and carving up new-born babies, raping and torturing to expiration little boys and girls, slashing the womb of pregnant women and devouring her child, etc. Things the masses can't even figure out by means of their acquired, docile and fraudulent doctrine. It's useless to say that the survivors of these trances are promptly engaged as dissociative, robotic government programmed sex slaves/assassins in covert intelligence ops. And we could go on and on... In fact, it's not that difficult to jump out from the hellish circle of the integral propaganda 24/7; the hard thing is having the valor to do it. You must have heard about Pandora's box. They put me in it. And soon you'll know the true meaning behind its legend. And the true meaning of the thunder's box, too. "We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let them die in their misery. For they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings: stamp down on the wretched and the weak: this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world." From Aleister Crowley, British intelligence and CIA influential agent; grand master of some well known satanic/top technocratic cults. >Those ,who talk, dont know. >Those, who know, dont talk. >Konfuzius (or was it Laotse?) If I speak and I know, isn't this the real evolution? Thierry Mouton From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Fri Nov 06 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!news.stanford.edu!su-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master From: kkollins@pop3.concentric.net Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics,bionet.microbiology,bionet.neuroscience Subject: Re: Spectacular Meteor Shower Date: 07 Nov 1998 11:21:39 PST Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 42 Message-ID: <36449D67.378533CC@pop3.concentric.net> References: <721spg$cr7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Reply-To: kkollins@concentric.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ts001d13.spr-ma.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) Xref: biosci bionet.biophysics:4515 bionet.microbiology:14939 bionet.neuroscience:25587 Hi, except for "BuckminsterFullerenes" which I've not studied, and "earthquake prediction", which I've studied ("earthquakes"-stuff in-general, that is), but have not carried through to "prediction", I have Verified Solutions, including many Proofs, to all of the "Unsolved Mysteries" on your web page. I'll take them before any interdiscilinary group of Scientists =and= Fair Witnesses, within my ability to pay my own way. (I'll accept funding, only if =rigorous= guarantees of my Freedom are accepted... no "strings" attachable... :-) The Solutions will Endure any "Attack" that can be proposed from within the full extent of Science. K. P. Collins jupiter@ajanta.sci.ccny.cuny.edu wrote: > The Leonid meteor shower is coming. Astronomers predict that > it could be its most spectacular display in 33 years. > Viewing suggestions, background information and some history > are provided at Jupiter Scientific's website > http://ajanta.sci.ccny.cuny.edu/~jupiter/pub/sciinfo/index.html > While you're visiting this site (which has just won an > award from National Academy Publishers), check out the books > and book reviews. Possibly of interest to you > is The Bible According to Einstein (available from Amazon.com > at http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0965517683/ > for more than $10 off price!) > > Good luck in viewing the "shooting-star" spectacle. > > --JP > ------------------------------------------- > Jupiter Scientific Publishing > Columbia University Post Office Box 250586 > New York, NY 10025 > > E-Mail: jupiter@ajanta.sci.ccny.cuny.edu > http://ajanta.sci.ccny.cuny.edu/~jupiter/pub/com/ > > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Fri Nov 06 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!news.stanford.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jupiter@ajanta.sci.ccny.cuny.edu Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics,bionet.microbiology,bionet.neuroscience Subject: Spectacular Meteor Shower Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 16:33:52 GMT Organization: Jupiter Scientific Lines: 25 Message-ID: <721spg$cr7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 146.203.100.32 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Nov 07 16:33:52 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.03 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x12.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 146.203.100.32 Xref: biosci bionet.biophysics:4514 bionet.microbiology:14938 bionet.neuroscience:25581 The Leonid meteor shower is coming. Astronomers predict that it could be its most spectacular display in 33 years. Viewing suggestions, background information and some history are provided at Jupiter Scientific's website http://ajanta.sci.ccny.cuny.edu/~jupiter/pub/sciinfo/index.html While you're visiting this site (which has just won an award from National Academy Publishers), check out the books and book reviews. Possibly of interest to you is The Bible According to Einstein (available from Amazon.com at http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0965517683/ for more than $10 off price!) Good luck in viewing the "shooting-star" spectacle. --JP ------------------------------------------- Jupiter Scientific Publishing Columbia University Post Office Box 250586 New York, NY 10025 E-Mail: jupiter@ajanta.sci.ccny.cuny.edu http://ajanta.sci.ccny.cuny.edu/~jupiter/pub/com/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Fri Nov 06 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master From: kkollins@pop3.concentric.net Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics,bionet.microbiology,bionet.neuroscience Subject: Re: Spectacular Meteor Shower Date: 07 Nov 1998 11:32:12 PST Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 12 Message-ID: <36449FE2.313F8F3@pop3.concentric.net> References: <721spg$cr7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36449D67.378533CC@pop3.concentric.net> Reply-To: kkollins@concentric.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ts001d13.spr-ma.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) Xref: biosci bionet.biophysics:4516 bionet.microbiology:14940 bionet.neuroscience:25589 kkollins@pop3.concentric.net wrote: > [...] The Solutions will Endure any "Attack" that can be proposed from within > the > full extent of Science. K. P. Collins ..."just" as they have Endured the long-standing "moving-away-from-while-Plagerizing" "Attack" that's been the Sorrful "Action" of most, but =Not= all of "science" for nearly three decades... come on, "science", wouldn't you rather be Science? Please Engage... in-person, before Fair Witnesses. K. P. Collins From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Sat Nov 07 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!rhodes From: rhodes@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU ("David G. Rhodes") Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics Subject: Re: Hear nothing, see nothing Date: 8 Nov 1998 10:29:39 -0800 Organization: UConn School of Pharmacy Lines: 12 Sender: daemon@net.bio.net Distribution: world Message-ID: <35F2C371.167E@uconnvm.uconn.edu> References: <7207ti$atg$1@diana.bcn.ibernet.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: net.bio.net Teodorico wrote: > > >Teodorico schrieb > Thierry Mouton Would you folks mind terribly continuing this conversation in private - the rest of us could care less and it's really quite annoying. -- David G. Rhodes O==O PHONE 860-486-5413 School of Pharmacy; U-92 O==O FAX 860-486-4998 University of Connecticut O==O Email rhodes@uconnvm.uconn.edu Storrs, CT 06269 O==O "Be kind to others - they outnumber you 5.9 billion to one." From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Sun Nov 08 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!news.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master From: kkollins@pop3.concentric.net Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics,bionet.microbiology,bionet.neuroscience Subject: Re: Spectacular Meteor Shower Date: 09 Nov 1998 15:38:48 PST Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 121 Message-ID: <36477CA4.D2FED10@pop3.concentric.net> References: <721spg$cr7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36449D67.378533CC@pop3.concentric.net> <36449FE2.313F8F3@pop3.concentric.net> Reply-To: kkollins@concentric.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ts001d18.spr-ma.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) Xref: biosci bionet.biophysics:4520 bionet.microbiology:14952 bionet.neuroscience:25643 CLARIFICATION: It's not the Plagerism that's the "hard" thing... the Hard thing is that folks've taken the Science =without= sharing its Worth with the Children and with those who Suffer Greatly. The first thing can be Forgiven. The 2nd thing is the Thing which =Must= be addressed. Toward that end, I note that =all= of the Nobels of 1998 trace directly back to things that I've communicated publicly over the course of the last decade via electronic Forums and Newsgroups, and going back nearly three decades, both publicly in Academic and Conference presentations, and privately via documents sent to other researchers. I "don't care" about the Plagerism, nor will I ever care about such... from the beginning, I did the work as a =Gift= to the Children. I do, however, Care, with =all= my Heart, that the Understanding has been withheld from those for whom it was done... that it has been "co-opted" by folks who seek this-or-that form of "profit" for themselves, and put such self-centered "goals" before the Immense Tragedy that Ravages their fellow Humans... before their =own= Children... before the Future. There's a Big Difference, here, and it's in-me to =not= abandon those who suffer, but to set this matter =straight=. All of my =desperation= derives in this one thing... and from the fact that it's perfectly-clear that Societies-wide TD E/Is are so-extremely-high in Nations all over the world... there's no time for "recriminations", and hem-hawing... all such can be swept aside like so many insignificant goose-down feathers... but the 2nd Thing =must= be dealt with... until it is, it's a Verified Fact that "science" is Non-Existent... isn't it so? Yes. =Both= things are the work of the "Beast" that Lives right in the flesh of folks nervous systems... the microscopic trophic modifications which encode Learning that's been acquired, and handed down across generations, via haphazard experience. In the realm of "science" the work of the Beast is easily-recognized... look and see... is there, for instance, any Biologist who doesn't =Know= that the energy transformations which underpin DNA's unfolding occur as an unbroken Continuous thing from the time of Conception, and this is, precisely, the stuff that defines "Human Life"? Then why has the Understanding of all those folks in Biology been withheld from the general population? The Beast Dicates to the Biologists that "such must be done". Why not "just" give folks the Understanding, and Honor their Free Wills by letting =them= Choose? "Radical" idea? =Not=. Doing such allows the Scientist to Embrace and Honor Truth, as one who is "Scientist" =must=, if he/she wishes to remain "Scientist". But not only that. It also allows other folks to make their own decisions on the basis of complete information... anything else is not only =Dictating= to folks, on the part of "science", it's also the Willful inflicting of the Beast upon folks, isn't it? Yes. Look at the "current" (it's old, but made artificially-"current"... by, guess what? By the Beast) thing... the "stem-cell" thing which saw one company's "stock market" "value" double in a single day recently. As much as I Hope for some such success, since it currently stems from the "need" to destroy a Human Life, it cannot be accepted until another way is found to do it. Isn't it so? Yes. Destroy Human Life so as to achieve "profit"? Such is Unacceptable, isn't it? Yes. As it stands, the "stem cell" stuff is like the Cave-Dweller's "technology" in which a person sticks a twig in a fire, so as to ignight a flame elsewhere... the caveman hasn't created "fire"... he's just transferered it from one combustion process to another. It's the same thing with Life... Life is Truth that =must= be Honored. Scientists Honor Truth by communicating the Understanding that Science develops, isn't it so? Yes. Science cannot "move away from" what it's seen with it's own eyes, and remain "Science", can Science? No. So it's for Science to stop Dictating folks' Decisions to them... Give folks back their Free Wills. Honor them by Honoring their Choice. Anything else is from the Beast, isn't it? Yes. Folks aren't "bad". The Villain is the Beast, "Abstract Ignorance"... the absence of Understanding of how our nervous systems process information. The Beast has Ravaged us long enough. Who, in Science or other field of endeavor... wants to be a Dragon-Slayer? Explore all of the information, and all of its Ramifications, and Decide in your own good "Hearts". What I've seen with my own eyes has led me to my own Decision... I will Honor Truth. K. P. Collins kkollins@pop3.concentric.net wrote: > kkollins@pop3.concentric.net wrote: > > > [...] The Solutions will Endure any "Attack" that can be proposed from within > > the > > full extent of Science. K. P. Collins > > ..."just" as they have Endured the long-standing > "moving-away-from-while-Plagerizing" "Attack" that's been the Sorrful "Action" > of most, but =Not= all of "science" for nearly three decades... come on, > "science", wouldn't you rather be Science? Please Engage... in-person, before > Fair Witnesses. K. P. Collins From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Sun Nov 08 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!PEGASUS.CC.UCF.EDU!rwallace From: rwallace@PEGASUS.CC.UCF.EDU (Ronald L Wallace) Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics Subject: Re: Hear nothing, see nothing Date: 9 Nov 1998 06:23:44 -0800 Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Molecular Biology Lines: 134 Sender: daemon@net.bio.net Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <7207ti$atg$1@diana.bcn.ibernet.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: net.bio.net Could this discussion please be confined to the people who are interested in it? I think the rest of us (who are here to exchange information regarding biophysics) are finding it a bit bothersome. Ron Wallace, Ph.D. Professor of Biological Anthropology Department of Sociology and Anthropology University of Central Florida On Sat, 7 Nov 1998, Teodorico wrote: > > >Teodorico schrieb in Nachricht <71lc8k$43u$1@diana.bcn.ibernet.es>... > >> > >>Like the popular Faraday cage. But in case of suffering the latest kind of > >>military-intelligence EM anti-personnel weapons employing non-linear > >>inverse-scattering technique, any kind of shielding may be superfluous, > >even > >>the copper-wire mesh (perhaps one of the most effective shieldings). And > >the > >>cage could even be transformed into an antenna which would beam the signal > >>on the inside, enhancing the already ill-fated effects. > >> > > > > > >Hello > > > Hi; I'm back after five days without server. > > >How did you manage it to protect yourself until now? > > > Well, I rest in war on the holy strength of my spirit. And when I'm at home, > I wear a copper-wire crown which barely shields, but wrecks some of the data > and it hinders a bit their hypnotical intrusions and induced artificial > dreams at sleep (3 or 4 hours a day). Yes, perhaps funny to see... I look > like King David with it. > > >I would be more careful about what Im saying if I where you. > >Your knowledge is impressive. > >You are telling military secrets here... > > Pardon? Almost everything I sent here is likely to be found on some books, > scientific magazines or hidden articles on the internet, however it may not > be easy for the average people to have access to it. The hard and truly > classified thing is what I keep inside for the releasing Day. > > >If they track down your IP Adress and figure out who you are, > >wouldnt you be a preferred aim of this? > >Remember: > >any kind of shielding may be superfluous > >The only protection would be going to underground, hiding or > >changing your face and avoiding the Internet completely. > > > >Greetings, > > > >Peter. > > > Let's see. I know WHO they are; and they know WHO I am. What it happens is > that we had known them before they knew who I am. I have no time now and > this is not the place, but I'll tell you that they started doing their sick > experimentation with my mother being pregnant of me, 30 years ago, in the > context of Pandora's project, from subjects related to the U.S. air force > base at Torrejón, in Madrid. They say that this project ended in 1970. I > tell you that this kind of long-term experimentation usually goes until the > victim bursts or is covertly assasinated, because once the experiment is > done, "the victim must die". Except in some rare cases. And they converted > this whole existence in a deep nightmare with the coward and miserable > complicity of the local police/military "intelligence". > However, since 1995, despite the even increased harassment they started to > understand it was too late for them and their long planned takeover. And for > their entire empire. These maniacs thought I would be another guinea pig, > and now they piss everyday on their pants as they know there is no turning > back. > It's clear that you don't know what kind of degenerate psycopaths holds the > power behind the grim cover of the satanic cult of worldwide national > security, behind the cynical and antiphrasical democratic facade. Remember > that the more hidden a dictatorship is, the worse it is. Never before there > has been atrocities such as these, precisely because they are hidden from > the public view. Do you know how many innocent people is assasinated every > year by law enforcment subjects using direct energy weapons, in most > Occidental countries. In Spain, for instance, the powerful national police > took control over the separatist Basque country terrorism, but their > criminal pulsed laser/microwave planes bombards my home many times a day, > for years I have been a TERRORIST in every store, business center or any > other public places; they kidnapped, injected and implanted me; I have been > a PUBLIC DANGER finally dismissed by "friends", family, neighbors, etc. > But let's get back to the U.S. Did you know that there are sophisticated > torture facilities at Langley, Florida, Dallas or Florida, all of them with > cremation ovens to get rid of the dissidents and experimentees without > evidence. Did you heard about the discovery at a California public storage > facility, past summer (1997), of thousands of little boxes containing > cremated human remains, ready to be spread over mountains and the Pacific > Ocean by the Vieira Flying Service -the company hired for that purpose-? Do > you know what sort of monstrosities the powerful ones do at their > masonic/satanic cults, like sodomizing and carving up new-born babies, > raping and torturing to expiration little boys and girls, slashing the womb > of pregnant women and devouring her child, etc. Things the masses can't even > figure out by means of their acquired, docile and fraudulent doctrine. It's > useless to say that the survivors of these trances are promptly engaged as > dissociative, robotic government programmed sex slaves/assassins in covert > intelligence ops. And we could go on and on... In fact, it's not that > difficult to jump out from the hellish circle of the integral propaganda > 24/7; the hard thing is having the valor to do it. > You must have heard about Pandora's box. They put me in it. And soon you'll > know the true meaning behind its legend. And the true meaning of the > thunder's box, too. > > > "We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: > let them die in their misery. For they feel not. > Compassion is the vice of kings: stamp down > on the wretched and the weak: this is the law > of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world." > > >From Aleister Crowley, British intelligence and CIA influential agent; grand > master of some well known satanic/top technocratic cults. > > >Those ,who talk, dont know. > >Those, who know, dont talk. > >Konfuzius (or was it Laotse?) > > > > If I speak and I know, isn't this the real evolution? > > Thierry Mouton > > > From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Sun Nov 08 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!news.stanford.edu!su-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.news.gtei.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!fu-berlin.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!not-for-mail From: biochem Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics Subject: Deutschprachige, kennen Sie Ihre Sprache ? Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 13:46:56 +0100 Organization: University of Karlsruhe Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3646E440.99A0FB1E@ochhades.chemie.uni-karlsruhe.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: ochpc21.chemie.uni-karlsruhe.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de 910615616 25884 129.13.108.221 X-Complaints-To: usenet@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Ich komme aus Frankreich und bin Doktorandin der Germanistik. Es ist für den Schluß meiner Doktorarbeit so wichtig zu wissen, wie Deutschsprachige mit aus fremden Sprachen entlehnten Wörter umgehen. Deswegen habe ich 5 unabhängige Fragebögen realisiert : Die Einleitung kann manchmal ziemlich lang sein, aber die Antworten sind immer kurz und spontan ! Vielen Dank für Ihre Hilfe ! http://www.chez.com/kervio/sondage.htm From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Mon Nov 09 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!news.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master From: kkollins@pop3.concentric.net Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics,bionet.microbiology,bionet.neuroscience Subject: Re: Spectacular Meteor Shower Date: 09 Nov 1998 19:32:41 PST Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 73 Message-ID: <3647B373.953F0A70@pop3.concentric.net> References: <721spg$cr7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36449D67.378533CC@pop3.concentric.net> <36449FE2.313F8F3@pop3.concentric.net> <36477CA4.D2FED10@pop3.concentric.net> Reply-To: kkollins@concentric.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ts003d01.spr-ma.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) Xref: biosci bionet.biophysics:4521 bionet.microbiology:14953 bionet.neuroscience:25652 CLARIFICATION: kkollins@pop3.concentric.net wrote: > [...] I "don't care" about the Plagerism, nor will I ever care about such... from the > > beginning, I did the work as a =Gift= to the Children. Don't misconstrue what I've said. I Honor Truth... I once Chose to go to Prison (until my "fine" could be paid), be-cause the folks who "testified" against me committed Perjury after Perjury. Although the "judge" had given me "probation", and I could've walked out of Court a "free" man, I refused to accept this "decision"... (at the start of the procedings, being aware of what was likely to happen, I went before the "judge" and asked him to enter into the trial record the Judicial consequences of Perjury... a Felony, up to 5 years Imprisonment). After the Perjury upon Perjury took place, the only Honorable thing to do was to separate myself from the decision, and go to Prison myself, so as not to co-operate with the Perjury.. I =Honor= Truth. Period... so don't misconstrue my prior remarks. I'm =was not= "making light" of Plagerism. Plagerism is reprehensible stuff. It's "just" that, since it's been my work that's been Plagerized, I can Forgive such as long as my doing so does not Dishonor Truth. There's a bit more to it though. There are millions of people who have been greatly-Hurt because folks Chose to "borrow" my work without caring about those who'd suffer because they Chose not to communicate the Science's Worth with respect to those who Suffer-Greatly. I can do nothing in the face of the Horror of such, except to continually redouble my efforts to get the Understanding Communicated. I've given up everything that I can, =not= because I'm, somehow, "unworthy", but because I was aware that because folks who put profits above Humanity, would be so terribly-tempted by the 12-digit "profit"-ability of the things I developed. Although I've witnessed their "borrowing", I've Chosen, as best I could, to "turn the other cheek, go the extra mile, and give 'em my shirt, too". But I =stand with= all those who suffer greatly because the Science has been withheld from them. On their behalves, I =cannot=, and =will not= relent. The Imprisonment of the Understanding by "science" and "scientists"... the Imprisonment of Truth, itself... =Must= be at an end. Who will allow me to publish Neuroscientific Duality Theory? Or, who will publish it, with =all= of its caring-for-the-Children Stuff intact, in my stead? [...] > So it's for Science to stop Dictating folks' Decisions to them... Give folks back > their Free Wills. Honor them by Honoring their Choice. ...and by doing what Science Professes to do... =communicate= verified Understanding, with which folks can exercise their Free Wills. > Anything else is from the Beast, isn't it? > > Yes. > > Folks aren't "bad". The Villain is the Beast, "Abstract Ignorance"... the absence > of Understanding of how our nervous systems process information. > > The Beast has Ravaged us long enough. Who, in Science or other field of endeavor... > wants to be a Dragon-Slayer? > > Explore all of the information, and all of its Ramifications, and Decide in your > own good "Hearts". > > What I've seen with my own eyes has led me to my own Decision... I will Honor > Truth. K. P. Collins K. P. Collins From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Mon Nov 09 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!news.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone.bc.net!awabi.library.ucla.edu!164.67.43.25!news.ucla.edu!not-for-mail From: "Kevin Klapstein" Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics Subject: Re: leg mass Date: 10 Nov 1998 22:48:20 GMT Organization: University of California, Los Angeles Lines: 25 Message-ID: <01be0cfd$3871e4c0$1c9c8e95@gradlab_pc_2.biomath.medsch.ucla.edu> References: <3648B35A.4452EC12@pa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 149.142.156.28 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Auger wrote in article <3648B35A.4452EC12@pa.net>... > I was wondering how the mass of a human leg could be determined without > directly weighing the leg. i.e. could it be compared to the total body > mass or could mass and heights be compared between body and leg, etc. > > There is something called "the standard man" which is used in medical physics. It gives geometric shapes and numbers to approximate all the major parts of the body, organs, etc.. This will have the information you need, but you'll have to find it on your own (it's been too long since I have done this sort of work and I don't know where to find it). If you want an estimate of the mass of a particular person's leg, find the ratio of leg mass to body mass for the standard man and multiply the persons' body mass by this. You should come within a few percent on a person with a medium build. Cheers, Kevin From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Mon Nov 09 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!PA.NET!augerj From: augerj@PA.NET (Auger) Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics Subject: leg mass Date: 10 Nov 1998 13:44:58 -0800 Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Molecular Biology Lines: 4 Sender: daemon@net.bio.net Distribution: world Message-ID: <3648B35A.4452EC12@pa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: net.bio.net I was wondering how the mass of a human leg could be determined without directly weighing the leg. i.e. could it be compared to the total body mass or could mass and heights be compared between body and leg, etc. From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Mon Nov 09 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mad.ibernet.es!news.bcn.ibernet.es!not-for-mail From: "Teodorico" Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics Subject: Re: Hear nothing, see nothing Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:55:51 +0100 Organization: Telefonica Transmision de Datos Lines: 11 Message-ID: <72a8lo$t5t$1@diana.bcn.ibernet.es> References: <7207ti$atg$1@diana.bcn.ibernet.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-c2247-infovia.accesosis.es X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 As I wrote to you privately, this message has not been posted on bionet.biophysics voluntarily, but on sci.physics.electromag, bionet.neuroscience and alt.sci.physics.new-theories (as "Hear radar"/ "hear radar waves"), and in some other religious newsgroups with the above title. For this reason I understand that you may have found it out of context, because out of the thread. Even if I do not know how it came here, I am sorry if it did annoy you. Thierry Mouton From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Tue Nov 10 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!news.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.clark.net!198.138.0.5!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-pen-3.sprintlink.net!news-in-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.cioe.com!newsfeed.cioe.com!news.psci.net!not-for-mail From: "T. Davis" Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics,bionet.microbiology,bionet.neuroscience Subject: Re: K.P. the beast Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:43:43 -0500 Organization: Perry Spencer Internet News Server Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3649B0AF.E720E242@psci.net> References: <721spg$cr7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36449D67.378533CC@pop3.concentric.net> <36449FE2.313F8F3@pop3.concentric.net> <36477CA4.D2FED10@pop3.concentric.net> <3647B373.953F0A70@pop3.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-as3-15.psci.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: biosci bionet.biophysics:4525 bionet.microbiology:14971 bionet.neuroscience:25683 Hi K.P. So what is it you want published and when do you want to start.The job of publishing has gotten a lot easier since the net. No thruth can be stopped now or lie for that matter with the net sys's the way they are. Tommy... From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Tue Nov 10 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!news.stanford.edu!su-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master From: kkollins@pop3.concentric.net Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics,bionet.microbiology,bionet.neuroscience Subject: Re: K.P. the beast Date: 11 Nov 1998 11:16:00 PST Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3649E210.B2976476@pop3.concentric.net> References: <721spg$cr7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36449D67.378533CC@pop3.concentric.net> <36449FE2.313F8F3@pop3.concentric.net> <36477CA4.D2FED10@pop3.concentric.net> <3647B373.953F0A70@pop3.concentric.net> <3649B0AF.E720E242@psci.net> Reply-To: kkollins@concentric.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ts003d11.spr-ma.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) Xref: biosci bionet.biophysics:4526 bionet.microbiology:14974 bionet.neuroscience:25686 It's precisely be-cause what you post is False, and Anticipated, that I've got to hold out for an in-person presentation, before Fair Witnesses. ken collins T. Davis wrote: > Hi K.P. > So what is it you want published and when do you want to start.The job of publishing has > gotten a lot easier since the net. No thruth can be stopped now or lie for that matter with > the net sys's the way they are. Tommy... From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Tue Nov 10 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!news.stanford.edu!su-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master From: kkollins@pop3.concentric.net Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics,bionet.microbiology,bionet.neuroscience Subject: Re: Spectacular Meteor Shower Date: 11 Nov 1998 11:25:20 PST Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 84 Message-ID: <3649E440.502515EB@pop3.concentric.net> References: <721spg$cr7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36449D67.378533CC@pop3.concentric.net> <36449FE2.313F8F3@pop3.concentric.net> <36477CA4.D2FED10@pop3.concentric.net> <3647B373.953F0A70@pop3.concentric.net> Reply-To: kkollins@concentric.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ts003d11.spr-ma.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) Xref: biosci bionet.biophysics:4527 bionet.microbiology:14975 bionet.neuroscience:25687 BTW, "k. p." stands for "Kitchen Police"... my Father was a career Army Master Sergeant... Knowing about the Hardness of Life from his own Childhood Experience, he wanted to give me the "tools" that he'd Learned would be needed... he wanted to name me "Tom", but Mom wouldn't allow him to. Personally, the "Kitchen Police" connotation has always seemed to be rather Appropriate, and it always gives me a smile that my Father Cared enough to Prepare me right from the start... his sense of humor is a bit "subtle", too :-) K. P. Collins kkollins@pop3.concentric.net wrote: > CLARIFICATION: > > kkollins@pop3.concentric.net wrote: > > > [...] I "don't care" about the Plagerism, nor will I ever care about such... from the > > > > beginning, I did the work as a =Gift= to the Children. > > Don't misconstrue what I've said. I Honor Truth... I once Chose to go to Prison (until > my "fine" could be paid), be-cause the folks who "testified" against me committed > Perjury after Perjury. Although the "judge" had given me "probation", and I could've > walked out of Court a "free" man, I refused to accept this "decision"... (at the start > of the procedings, being aware of what was likely to happen, I went before the "judge" > and asked him to enter into the trial record the Judicial consequences of Perjury... a > Felony, up to 5 years Imprisonment). After the Perjury upon Perjury took place, the > only Honorable thing to do was to separate myself from the decision, and go to Prison > myself, so as not to co-operate with the Perjury.. > > I =Honor= Truth. Period... so don't misconstrue my prior remarks. I'm =was not= "making > light" of Plagerism. Plagerism is reprehensible stuff. > > It's "just" that, since it's been my work that's been Plagerized, I can Forgive such as > long as my doing so does not Dishonor Truth. > > There's a bit more to it though. There are millions of people who have been > greatly-Hurt because folks Chose to "borrow" my work without caring about those who'd > suffer because they Chose not to communicate the Science's Worth with respect to those > who Suffer-Greatly. > > I can do nothing in the face of the Horror of such, except to continually redouble my > efforts to get the Understanding Communicated. I've given up everything that I can, > =not= because I'm, somehow, "unworthy", but because I was aware that because folks who > put profits above Humanity, would be so terribly-tempted by the 12-digit > "profit"-ability of the things I developed. Although I've witnessed their "borrowing", > I've Chosen, as best I could, to "turn the other cheek, go the extra mile, and give 'em > my shirt, too". > > But I =stand with= all those who suffer greatly because the Science has been withheld > from them. On their behalves, I =cannot=, and =will not= relent. The Imprisonment of > the Understanding by "science" and "scientists"... the Imprisonment of Truth, itself... > =Must= be at an end. > > Who will allow me to publish Neuroscientific Duality Theory? > > Or, who will publish it, with =all= of its caring-for-the-Children Stuff intact, in my > stead? > > [...] > > > So it's for Science to stop Dictating folks' Decisions to them... Give folks back > > their Free Wills. Honor them by Honoring their Choice. > > ...and by doing what Science Professes to do... =communicate= verified Understanding, > with which folks can exercise their Free Wills. > > > Anything else is from the Beast, isn't it? > > > > Yes. > > > > Folks aren't "bad". The Villain is the Beast, "Abstract Ignorance"... the absence > > of Understanding of how our nervous systems process information. > > > > The Beast has Ravaged us long enough. Who, in Science or other field of endeavor... > > wants to be a Dragon-Slayer? > > > > Explore all of the information, and all of its Ramifications, and Decide in your > > own good "Hearts". > > > > What I've seen with my own eyes has led me to my own Decision... I will Honor > > Truth. K. P. Collins > > K. P. Collins From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Wed Nov 11 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!IEC-NICHIBEI.OR.JP!suapaa75 From: suapaa75@IEC-NICHIBEI.OR.JP (Photo Transfer Specialties) Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics Subject: Photo Mousepads...........Great Gift Idea! Date: 11 Nov 1998 23:53:27 -0800 Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Molecular Biology Lines: 154 Sender: daemon@net.bio.net Distribution: world Message-ID: <199811113671VAA44963@ChristmasGift.vilspa.esa.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: net.bio.net GREAT CHRISTMAS GIFT IDEA! PHOTO TRANSFER SPECIALTIES! MOUSEPADS WITH YOUR FAVORITE PHOTOS! Now you can have your favorite photos printed onto mousepads! 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From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Wed Nov 11 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!news.stanford.edu!su-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!marge.eaglequest.com!streamer1.cleveland.iagnet.net!NewsNG.Chicago.Qual.Net!news.indiana.edu!not-for-mail From: Shaft Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics,bionet.microbiology,bionet.neuroscience Subject: Re: K.P. the beast Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 17:08:48 -0500 Organization: Indiana University Lines: 9 Message-ID: <364B5C6D.75E14B08@indiana.edu> References: <721spg$cr7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36449D67.378533CC@pop3.concentric.net> <36449FE2.313F8F3@pop3.concentric.net> <36477CA4.D2FED10@pop3.concentric.net> <3647B373.953F0A70@pop3.concentric.net> <3649B0AF.E720E242@psci.net> <364AAB63.C5056FB9@pop3.concentric.net> Reply-To: qmorrisREMOVE@indiana.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: ep213-10.journalism.indiana.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Xref: biosci bionet.biophysics:4530 bionet.microbiology:14998 bionet.neuroscience:25712 I just recently started subscribing to this group. It's amazing how, no matter where you go in newsgroup cyberspace, this conversation persists. Will someone go back, read genesis, and tell us WHERE the account of creation PROHIBITS the possibility of evolution? Otherwise, shut up. :) Shaft From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Wed Nov 11 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master From: kkollins@pop3.concentric.net Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics,bionet.microbiology,bionet.neuroscience Subject: Re: K.P. the beast Date: 12 Nov 1998 01:35:05 PST Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 57 Message-ID: <364AAB63.C5056FB9@pop3.concentric.net> References: <721spg$cr7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36449D67.378533CC@pop3.concentric.net> <36449FE2.313F8F3@pop3.concentric.net> <36477CA4.D2FED10@pop3.concentric.net> <3647B373.953F0A70@pop3.concentric.net> <3649B0AF.E720E242@psci.net> Reply-To: kkollins@concentric.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ts004d08.spr-ma.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) Xref: biosci bionet.biophysics:4529 bionet.microbiology:14984 bionet.neuroscience:25700 Please tell me, though, whence came, your "rename"? Hurts some. Is it because I've said I've no problem with "evolution"? Think about it. Evolution is "just" some pretty-awesome energy-transformation stuff... do the folks who argue against evolution, somehow, "prohibit" God from Being-Involved in energy-transformation stuff? Speaking strictly for myself, the thought of such'd make me Tremble... 'cause the energy-transformation stuff is Truth. Is it because folks don't understand that the energy-transformation stuff is not a "chance" thing? You know, I don't presume to "Know" God... but I do see Clearly the "hand" of Truth... that thing which =all= available evidence shows Exists =everywhere= within the Physical Universe... even right there in evolutionary dynamics. It's in what's described by the 2nd law of thermodynamics (wdb2t)... and, although I can't take it any further than that, it's my Belief that God Knows about all that... I kind of like to think of it in terms of God's "Breathing"... you know... as in "Inspiration". I'm attacked all the time, from all sides, by folks who think I'm "denying" this, or "denying" that, in which they Believe... haven't once encountered a person, doing such "Attacking", who understands what it is that I'm saying... they just Attack-first, as questions later. Hurts some. Check it out... such is the Same-Stuff which Crucified Our Lord, isn't it? The Beast is Ignorance... not people... the Beast is the Ignorance that blindly leads folks to "believe" that what's familiar to them is "truth", when, in actuality, it's =just= what's familiar to them, being elevated, by them, into the "image of 'god'"... there's a "graven image" if there ever was one... (thought it was supposed to be the other-way-around) "Graven" right in the Living flesh of the nervous system... =Living= there... the Beast... the Ravaging-Destroyer... the Condemner of all that is "not-self"... need a reference... check out the Savagery that's so-recently unfolded in "Yugoslavia"... those folks presumed to "strike-out" "in the name of their beliefs", "two"... look and see, do you see God in-there? The Same-Stuff is what Crucified Christ... the Beast, Ignorance", alive in folks... but check it out, Christ took care of all that, didn't He? Yes, He did. And there we =ALL= are, just People who Jesus Loved so much... He Knew we'd Get-It... eventually. Please Forgive me that this is so-seemingly-"Hard". It's "just"-the-opposite... take it for a walk in the park. ken collins T. Davis wrote: > Hi K.P. > So what is it you want published and when do you want to start.The job of publishing has > gotten a lot easier since the net. No thruth can be stopped now or lie for that matter with > the net sys's the way they are. Tommy... From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Thu Nov 12 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!news.stanford.edu!su-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!24.130.1.14!lsnws01.we.mediaone.net!24.130.4.9!clnws01.we.mediaone.net.POSTED!stephan From: stephan@nospam.ucla.edu (Stephan Anagnostaras) Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics,bionet.microbiology,bionet.neuroscience Subject: Re: K.P. the beast Message-ID: References: <721spg$cr7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36449D67.378533CC@pop3.concentric.net> <36449FE2.313F8F3@pop3.concentric.net> <36477CA4.D2FED10@pop3.concentric.net> <3647B373.953F0A70@pop3.concentric.net> <3649B0AF.E720E242@psci.net> <364AAB63.C5056FB9@pop3.concentric.net> <364B5C6D.75E14B08@indiana.edu> X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 Lines: 35 Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 01:50:18 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.130.9.218 X-Trace: clnws01.we.mediaone.net 910950578 24.130.9.218 (Fri, 13 Nov 1998 01:49:38 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 01:49:38 PDT Organization: MediaOne Express, Western Region Xref: biosci bionet.biophysics:4532 bionet.microbiology:15003 bionet.neuroscience:25731 In article <364B5C6D.75E14B08@indiana.edu>, qmorrisREMOVE@indiana.edu wrote: > I just recently started subscribing to this group. It's amazing how, > no matter where you go in newsgroup cyberspace, this conversation > persists. Will someone go back, read genesis, and tell us WHERE > the account of creation PROHIBITS the possibility of evolution? > > Otherwise, shut up. :) > > Shaft Basically, it does. The story of Genesis clearly states the abrupt appearance of humans in complex form. Plus, God created man in his image. It doesn't say he created the animals and then hoped that one day millions of years later man might turn out in his image. It clearly indicates that man was created abruptly in God's image. So this precludes the possibility of evolution, at least for man. The account of Adam and Eve is even more difficult to reconcile, because of the appearance of the male sex before the female sex. Plus, in this account humans are apparently created BEFORE simpler animals and vegetation (this is the opposite order however of the first creation story... of course, we know the historical sources of these two stories are different). This account is more problematic, but in either case, both accounts agree on the abrupt appearance of man in complex form. This aside, I don't think people should make their careers out of testing things in the Bible as scientific questions, this is a silly practice. Any particular Bible has been translated too many times to have this level of technical accuracy and the creation stories (of which there are two) have independent sources and disagree on some key issues, relevant to the debate, so what is the point? Cheers, Stephan From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Thu Nov 12 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master From: kkollins@pop3.concentric.net Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics,bionet.microbiology,bionet.neuroscience Subject: Re: K.P. the beast Date: 12 Nov 1998 16:22:21 PST Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 17 Message-ID: <364B7B5B.C844FD7E@pop3.concentric.net> References: <721spg$cr7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36449D67.378533CC@pop3.concentric.net> <36449FE2.313F8F3@pop3.concentric.net> <36477CA4.D2FED10@pop3.concentric.net> <3647B373.953F0A70@pop3.concentric.net> <3649B0AF.E720E242@psci.net> <364AAB63.C5056FB9@pop3.concentric.net> <364B5C6D.75E14B08@indiana.edu> Reply-To: kkollins@concentric.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ts001d08.spr-ma.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) Xref: biosci bionet.biophysics:4531 bionet.microbiology:15001 bionet.neuroscience:25715 Shaft wrote: > I just recently started subscribing to this group. It's amazing how, > no matter where you go in newsgroup cyberspace, this conversation > persists. Will someone go back, read genesis, and tell us WHERE > the account of creation PROHIBITS the possibility of evolution? I agree with you there. > Otherwise, shut up. :) ...gotta disagree with you there... I'm doing some things that're Hard for some folks to deal with, and it's Crucial that I not abbandon them to aimless "wondering"... I Apologize to you, but I have to take these things up when they come up. The header, is "just" "two" much of an "inceniary device". ken collins From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Thu Nov 12 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!news.stanford.edu!su-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news-peer.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "Alexandre.CYBERT" Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics Subject: an information Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:41:20 -0400 Organization: Wanadoo - (Client of French Internet Provider) Lines: 14 Message-ID: <72hum9$lgc$1@platane.wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: papitre2-213.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I will like to have some precisions : As physician prefferred tou a sanguine transfusion or one of the blood of subtitution if it arrive an accident ? Can you give me information in medicine on the "Dextran" and the "Ringer Lactate". can you to give me your position in medicine and the number of year of experience to the breast of the medecine ? I written you from french so as to have the foreign specialist notice, i tank you some advance. From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Thu Nov 12 22:00:00 1998 From: "Deano" References: <721spg$cr7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36449D67.378533CC@pop3.concentric.net> <36449FE2.313F8F3@pop3.concentric.net> <36477CA4.D2FED10@pop3.concentric.net> <3647B373.953F0A70@pop3.concentric.net> <3649B0AF.E720E242@psci.net> <364AAB63.C5056FB9@pop3.concentric.net> <364B5C6D.75E14B08@indiana.edu> Subject: Re: K.P. the beast Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 09:19:32 -0000 Lines: 15 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics,bionet.microbiology,bionet.neuroscience NNTP-Posting-Host: userc257.uk.uudial.com [193.149.95.223] Path: biosci!news.stanford.edu!su-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.68.152.14!upnetnews04!upnetnews05 Xref: biosci bionet.biophysics:4533 bionet.microbiology:15010 bionet.neuroscience:25737 Hi, I just wanted to say that I agree with you completely. Science shouldn't have to be cross-referenced with the bible. The bible is just a book with facts mixed in with certain moral stories (well that's how I think of it anyway, hope I don't offend too many people). Look what happened when geologists tried to work out how old the earth was. They looked at the bible and worked out when the world was created by going along the family tree of Adam & Eve. They ended up with a figure of a few thousand years. If you try to tell anyone this now they'd laugh at you. Maybe in the future people will look back and think how silly some people were for thinking that the earth was made by some strange entity? Just adding my 2 cents. Deano. From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Fri Nov 13 22:00:00 1998 From: "Deano" References: <721spg$cr7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36449D67.378533CC@pop3.concentric.net> <36449FE2.313F8F3@pop3.concentric.net> <36477CA4.D2FED10@pop3.concentric.net> <3647B373.953F0A70@pop3.concentric.net> <3649B0AF.E720E242@psci.net> <364AAB63.C5056FB9@pop3.concentric.net> <364B5C6D.75E14B08@indiana.edu> <364D36DB.C890348B@pop3.concentric.net> Subject: Re: K.P. the beast Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 07:41:28 -0000 Lines: 44 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <#o$$nA8D#GA.257@upnetnews03> Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics,bionet.microbiology,bionet.neuroscience NNTP-Posting-Host: userl538.uk.uudial.com [193.149.75.97] Path: biosci!news.stanford.edu!su-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.68.152.14!upnetnews04!upnetnews03 Xref: biosci bionet.biophysics:4537 bionet.microbiology:15018 bionet.neuroscience:25753 This line of conversation just gets weirder and weirder. >But what's the length of a "day" in God's Eternity? How can anyone say=anything= with respect to such? It doesn't matter how long the day is, if you create one thing you can't go back and then create something else earlier. Well you could if you travel back in time. But why not just do things in the right order to begin with. >Be-cause I've traced the energy dynamics of our nervous systems all the way up >to Free Will, and have seen, with my own eyes, that our nervous systems, through >which we actualize behavior, are =totally= "in Love" with the flow of energy in >which they're immersed. I'm not an expert on the nervous system but I didn't realise that you could trace individual emotions in it. If possible could you explain to me how love works in the nervous sytem (sarcasm intended). Life Begun! at >the moment of Conception, to the sweet "thunder" of collective voices Singing >God's Praise, to our final Hope as Life goes our of our bodies in it's Joyous >Rush to Join God... everything within us =Resounds= with God... why not See >what's so Awesomely-Beautiful in all this rather than cast God in our image... Look if you want to preach the name of Jesus why not go to a religion newsgroup. This is microbiology newsgroup. Most of the people here have never seen god under the microscope and I don't think that's gonna happen. He isn't going to be sitting there next to a mitochondria! Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to offend you. I believe that everyone is entitled to their believes no matter how weird they are. But when these people start talking about their religion outside of the subjects in which it belongs, then that annoys me. Religion and science were never meant to be joined (well maybe at philosophy). So please don't use this newsgroup as a pulpit. Deano. From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Fri Nov 13 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!news.stanford.edu!su-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master From: kkollins@pop3.concentric.net Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics,bionet.microbiology,bionet.neuroscience Subject: Re: K.P. the beast Date: 14 Nov 1998 00:11:25 PST Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 32 Message-ID: <364D3AC2.EC74095F@pop3.concentric.net> References: <721spg$cr7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36449D67.378533CC@pop3.concentric.net> <36449FE2.313F8F3@pop3.concentric.net> <36477CA4.D2FED10@pop3.concentric.net> <3647B373.953F0A70@pop3.concentric.net> <3649B0AF.E720E242@psci.net> <364AAB63.C5056FB9@pop3.concentric.net> <364B5C6D.75E14B08@indiana.edu> Reply-To: kkollins@concentric.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ts002d11.spr-ma.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) Xref: biosci bionet.biophysics:4536 bionet.microbiology:15015 bionet.neuroscience:25748 Deano wrote: > Hi, > I just wanted to say that I agree with you completely. Science shouldn't > have to be cross-referenced with the bible. The bible is just a book with > facts mixed in with certain moral stories (well that's how I think of it > anyway, hope I don't offend too many people). > Look what happened when geologists tried to work out how old the earth was. > They looked at the bible and worked out when the world was created by going > along the family tree of Adam & Eve. They ended up with a figure of a few > thousand years. If you try to tell anyone this now they'd laugh at you. > Maybe in the future people will look back and think how silly some people > were for thinking that the earth was made by some strange entity? > Just adding my 2 cents. > Deano. But Earth =was= made "by some strange entity" ...what's "Difficult" is Seeing "Consciousness" and "Volition" in that "strange entity"... but that's where, in my view, Jesus "comes in"... I'm a Devoted amateur Neuroscientist... to a level commensurate with the work of Newton in the old Natural Philosophy, I've solved the nervous system as an information-processing system... I used the best results that Experiment could produce, and was overjoyed when it all came together... and when it did, it was flat-out Obvious to me that, 2000 years ago, long before the Scientific Method was ever a glimmer in Gallilo's mind, Jesus =Knew= how our nervous systems process information... and it's clear that His Teaching is Extraordinarily-Loving with respect to such... He was "just" saying, "Look here, see, this's how you work." I cannot not say it, He is Correct... it's a real jaw-hanger... and that's precisely why "The Strange Entity", commensurate only in Faith, has, never-the-less, won a place in my "Heart". ken (K. P. Collins) From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Fri Nov 13 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!news.stanford.edu!su-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master From: kkollins@pop3.concentric.net Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics,bionet.microbiology,bionet.neuroscience Subject: Re: K.P. the beast Date: 13 Nov 1998 23:55:36 PST Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 135 Message-ID: <364D36DB.C890348B@pop3.concentric.net> References: <721spg$cr7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36449D67.378533CC@pop3.concentric.net> <36449FE2.313F8F3@pop3.concentric.net> <36477CA4.D2FED10@pop3.concentric.net> <3647B373.953F0A70@pop3.concentric.net> <3649B0AF.E720E242@psci.net> <364AAB63.C5056FB9@pop3.concentric.net> <364B5C6D.75E14B08@indiana.edu> Reply-To: kkollins@concentric.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ts002d11.spr-ma.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) Xref: biosci bionet.biophysics:4535 bionet.microbiology:15014 bionet.neuroscience:25747 Stephan Anagnostaras wrote: > In article <364B5C6D.75E14B08@indiana.edu>, qmorrisREMOVE@indiana.edu wrote: > > > I just recently started subscribing to this group. It's amazing how, > > no matter where you go in newsgroup cyberspace, this conversation > > persists. Will someone go back, read genesis, and tell us WHERE > > the account of creation PROHIBITS the possibility of evolution? > > > > Otherwise, shut up. :) > > > > Shaft > > Basically, it does. The story of Genesis clearly states the abrupt > appearance of humans in complex form. But what's the length of a "day" in God's Eternity? How can anyone say =anything= with respect to such? And if you check out Peter 2, you'll find the "Rock" upon which Jesus founded the Church agreeing... (paraphrase) "For a day with God is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like a day." If it's good enough for Peter, it's good enough for me... and anyone else who expects Christ Knew what he was doing when He Chose Peter as the Church's first Human-Stuff. > Plus, God created man in his image. Be-cause I've traced the energy dynamics of our nervous systems all the way up to Free Will, and have seen, with my own eyes, that our nervous systems, through which we actualize behavior, are =totally= "in Love" with the flow of energy in which they're immersed, my view on the "image" in which we were Created derives in Energy Dynamics. =Don't= get me wrong. I can't See beyond the energy dynamics, and I do not purport to "know" God... I "just" =Believe=... it's just that, when I study how Intimate our nervous systems are with the ebb and flow of the energy all-around-and-permeating them, it's hard not to see that that stuff is extremely-much-more representative of what we are than is our outward appearance... contemplate Anthropological diversity, look here, is African, Polynesian, Japanese, Chinese, Arabic, Jewish, Anglo-Saxan, Nordic, Eskimo, Native American, etc.? And when folks travel, as Jesus said that folks =must=, so as to bring His Good News to folks everywhere, and one bearing The Word comes to Love and marry, in Christ, do their Children, somehow, "lose" the Image of God in which all Humans are Created? That's "just" too-mean a thing to think in the Light of Christ's Teaching us to Love our Neighbors... who are =any= folks who Know and Believe. So, we must look-deeper, and when we do, it's not hard to see just how it is that we are, in fact, Created in God's Image... God Courses Through Us, animating us... Giving us Life... everything within us, from the tiny-"whisper" stuff of Life Begun! at the moment of Conception, to the sweet "thunder" of collective voices Singing God's Praise, to our final Hope as Life goes our of our bodies in it's Joyous Rush to Join God... everything within us =Resounds= with God... why not See what's so Awesomely-Beautiful in all this rather than cast God in our image... God's the Creator, not us... but can you see that the "in God's image" Stuff flat-out does =not= require a Human form? > It doesn't say he created the animals and then hoped that one day millions > of years later man might turn out in his image. It clearly indicates that > man was created abruptly in God's image. So this precludes the possibility > of evolution, at least for man. We disagree... the energy dynamics which underpin "evolution" have Truth in-there, and God =is= Truth... Jesus Taught such plain-as-day. Please, please, understanding how unfamiliar what I write to you must be... and so did Jesus, for it's exactly that that He addressed in his "new-cloth patches on old-cloth garments" and "new-wine in new-wineskin" allegories... and understanding how nervous systems react to that which is unfamiliar, I =Beg= for your Understanding... Jesus did not Come to us, Teach us, Establish the Chruch, Suffer for us and =Die= for us only to "require" us to forsake the Gift of our ability to reason... He Did, in fact, Teach just-the-opposite Stuff. It is =in= Christ that our Human Stuff is Lifted-Up... and I ache so that 2000 years have come and gone, and folks are =still= prefering the Darkness to The Light that Jesus Brought into the world, and Left with us never-endingly. > The account of Adam and Eve is even more difficult to reconcile, because > of the appearance of the male sex before the female sex. Plus, in this > account humans are apparently created BEFORE simpler animals and > vegetation (this is the opposite order however of the first creation > story... of course, we know the historical sources of these two stories > are different). This account is more problematic, but in either case, both > accounts agree on the abrupt appearance of man in complex form. Again, what's the length of a "day" in Eternity? In Mathematics, there are infinities within infinities... and I just can't make God fit into "less than Mathematics"... and I don't want to... I can only see that God must be extremely-very-much-more than =anything= I =can= See... and I Dare-Not even think of trying to "fit" God into anything that I can See... God is More... that's Why Faith is both Necessary and Difficult... we must =Reach= Up to God, not "bring God down" to us... Jesus Chose to do such for us... it's not for us to "do such for" God. > This aside, I don't think people should make their careers out of testing > things in the Bible as scientific questions, this is a silly practice. Have you ever had the Sorrow of working real-hard to prepare a Gift for a Loved one, only to have the gift go totally-rejected? It's plain-as-day... the Gift of Reason, is a =Great Gift=... I can only See that, to "put it under a bushel basket", would give Christ so much more of the Awesome Sorrow that He Experienced in His so-Total Rejection on Calvary... it's so much so that such is tantamount to enduringly-Crucifying Jesus, over and over again, on a daily basis. Jesus said, "I am the light of the world." And He =Meant= it... Light helps one See... why have a Light if there's "nothing" to See? Which brings me to one of my Favorite Things... I don't know the original dialect the Jesus used, and that's likely to invalidate my interpretation, because my interpretation depends on nuances of the English translation, but I =Love= the the connotation implicit in Jesus's saying, "[...] My burden is light." I carry the thought in-me... Jesus is saying to me, "Yes, it's hard to accept the Light I've Given to folks, but Accept it, and =See=." His "burden" is the making-of-it-possible to =See=... which leads right back to the conventional connotation... being able to See makes the "burden" so weight-less, it fairly Lifts one Up. But to experience such, we have to make Use of God's Gift of Reason, don't we? > Any particular Bible has been translated too many times to have this level > of technical accuracy and the creation stories (of which there are two) > have independent sources and disagree on some key issues, relevant to the > debate, so what is the point? Speaking =strictly= for myself, the point is, I don't want to reject God's Gift of Reason, nor His (Jesus's) Gift of Light. If you've read all this, Thank You for hearing me out. Cheers, Stephan, ken (gotta "sign" it, so folks can hold me to it... K. P. Collins) From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Fri Nov 13 22:00:00 1998 From: "Deano" References: <721spg$cr7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36449D67.378533CC@pop3.concentric.net> <36449FE2.313F8F3@pop3.concentric.net> <36477CA4.D2FED10@pop3.concentric.net> <3647B373.953F0A70@pop3.concentric.net> <3649B0AF.E720E242@psci.net> <364AAB63.C5056FB9@pop3.concentric.net> <364B5C6D.75E14B08@indiana.edu> <364D36DB.C890348B@pop3.concentric.net> <#o$$nA8D#GA.257@upnetnews03> <364D7007.E5C6ADAA@pop3.concentric.net> Subject: Re: K.P. the beast Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 17:33:43 -0000 Lines: 33 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics,bionet.microbiology,bionet.neuroscience NNTP-Posting-Host: userb103.uk.uudial.com [193.149.71.86] Path: biosci!news.stanford.edu!su-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.68.152.14!upnetnews04!upnetnews05 Xref: biosci bionet.biophysics:4542 bionet.microbiology:15025 bionet.neuroscience:25761 I haven't been going around deleting anything! I'm not even sure if I know how to. I have had some trouble with my postings so that might explain it. I don't mean to "jump" your posts I'm just trying to reply. (By the way the time thing was due to an error by my system clock.) I'm not selectively editing your posts, I'm just showing the parts I want to reply to. Most people in newsgroups find it annoying when someone only has a little reply but includes the whole message. (If I had attached your message it would have taken over 80% of this post). You mention that it's been proved that you can't travel through time. Surely god can do what he wants! If he invented the universe he must have invented time so why can't he travel in time. I thought that god was supposed to be all powerful. You say that love is moving away from. What is it moving away from? By the way I'm not afraid of Learning about anything even religion. When I was younger I went to Church of my own free-will and then later when I was older decided that I didn't want to. I'm studying for a degree in Molecular biology so I can't be that afraid of learning. God may be there in the mitochondria but only if you want to look at things with the idea that god is in everything. And if that's the case lets not forget that gods in AIDS and cancer as well. I really did mean what I said about not want to offend people and everyone being entitled to their believes. Sorry that you don't believe me. Deano. From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Fri Nov 13 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!rutgers!rockyd.rockefeller.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master From: kkollins@pop3.concentric.net Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics,bionet.microbiology,bionet.neuroscience Subject: Re: K.P. the beast Date: 14 Nov 1998 04:25:00 PST Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <364D7635.C47943A5@pop3.concentric.net> References: <721spg$cr7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36449D67.378533CC@pop3.concentric.net> <36449FE2.313F8F3@pop3.concentric.net> <36477CA4.D2FED10@pop3.concentric.net> <3647B373.953F0A70@pop3.concentric.net> <3649B0AF.E720E242@psci.net> <364AAB63.C5056FB9@pop3.concentric.net> <364B5C6D.75E14B08@indiana.edu> <364D36DB.C890348B@pop3.concentric.net> <#o$$nA8D#GA.257@upnetnews03> <364D726A.E57F8D99@pop3.concentric.net> <364D7580.94750139@pop3.concentric.net> Reply-To: kkollins@concentric.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ts004d18.spr-ma.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) Xref: biosci bionet.biophysics:4541 bionet.microbiology:15022 bionet.neuroscience:25757 CORRECTION: kkollins@pop3.concentric.net wrote: > Now it's getting =very= "Interesting"... I was here in bionet.neuroscience after > 6:00am this morning... there were 0 new msgs... so I poked around with the > cross-posted stuff in bionet.biophysics and bionet.microbiology... found "deano's" > post over in both those places... responded in both places... =now= I find > "deano's" post back here in bionet.neuroscience... post-dated to "2:48am"... make that 2:41am. K. P. Collins (wondering how much of this sort of "off-hours" posting's been going on) From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Fri Nov 13 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!sdd.hp.com!usc!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master From: kkollins@pop3.concentric.net Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics,bionet.microbiology,bionet.neuroscience Subject: Re: K.P. the beast Date: 14 Nov 1998 04:22:01 PST Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 63 Message-ID: <364D7580.94750139@pop3.concentric.net> References: <721spg$cr7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36449D67.378533CC@pop3.concentric.net> <36449FE2.313F8F3@pop3.concentric.net> <36477CA4.D2FED10@pop3.concentric.net> <3647B373.953F0A70@pop3.concentric.net> <3649B0AF.E720E242@psci.net> <364AAB63.C5056FB9@pop3.concentric.net> <364B5C6D.75E14B08@indiana.edu> <364D36DB.C890348B@pop3.concentric.net> <#o$$nA8D#GA.257@upnetnews03> <364D726A.E57F8D99@pop3.concentric.net> Reply-To: kkollins@concentric.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ts004d18.spr-ma.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) Xref: biosci bionet.biophysics:4540 bionet.microbiology:15021 bionet.neuroscience:25756 Now it's getting =very= "Interesting"... I was here in bionet.neuroscience after 6:00am this morning... there were 0 new msgs... so I poked around with the cross-posted stuff in bionet.biophysics and bionet.microbiology... found "deano's" post over in both those places... responded in both places... =now= I find "deano's" post back here in bionet.neuroscience... post-dated to "2:48am"... It's all so-Sorrowfully-Interesting. K. P. Collins kkollins@pop3.concentric.net wrote: > Deano wrote: > > > This line of conversation just gets weirder and weirder. > > > > >But what's the length of a "day" in God's Eternity? How can anyone > > say=anything= with respect to such? > > > > It doesn't matter how long the day is, if you create one thing you can't go > > back and then create something else earlier. Well you could if you travel > > back in time. > > Nope... folks at Fermilab have demonstrated that that can't be done... what's > been referred to as "time" is a strictly-one-way affair (at least in the > Universal epoch in which we exist... we can't build "perpetual motion machines" > for the =same= reason). > > > But why not just do things in the right order to begin with. > > > > >Be-cause I've traced the energy dynamics of our nervous systems all the way > > up > > >to Free Will, and have seen, with my own eyes, that our nervous systems, > > through > > >which we actualize behavior, are =totally= "in Love" with the flow of > > energy in > > >which they're immersed. > > > > I'm not an expert on the nervous system but I didn't realise that you could > > trace individual emotions in it. If possible could you explain to me how > > love works in the nervous sytem (sarcasm intended). > > > > Life Begun! at > > >the moment of Conception, to the sweet "thunder" of collective voices > > Singing > > >God's Praise, to our final Hope as Life goes our of our bodies in it's > > Joyous > > >Rush to Join God... everything within us =Resounds= with God... why not See > > >what's so Awesomely-Beautiful in all this rather than cast God in our > > image... > > > > Look if you want to preach the name of Jesus why not go to a religion > > newsgroup. This is microbiology newsgroup. Most of the people here have > > never seen god under the microscope and I don't think that's gonna happen. > > He isn't going to be sitting there next to a mitochondria! > > Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to offend you. I believe that everyone is > > entitled to their believes no matter how weird they are. But when these > > people start talking about their religion outside of the subjects in which > > it belongs, then that annoys me. Religion and science were never meant to be > > joined (well maybe at philosophy). > > So please don't use this newsgroup as a pulpit. > > Deano. From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Fri Nov 13 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master From: kkollins@pop3.concentric.net Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics,bionet.microbiology,bionet.neuroscience Subject: Re: K.P. the beast Date: 14 Nov 1998 04:08:49 PST Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 53 Message-ID: <364D726A.E57F8D99@pop3.concentric.net> References: <721spg$cr7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36449D67.378533CC@pop3.concentric.net> <36449FE2.313F8F3@pop3.concentric.net> <36477CA4.D2FED10@pop3.concentric.net> <3647B373.953F0A70@pop3.concentric.net> <3649B0AF.E720E242@psci.net> <364AAB63.C5056FB9@pop3.concentric.net> <364B5C6D.75E14B08@indiana.edu> <364D36DB.C890348B@pop3.concentric.net> <#o$$nA8D#GA.257@upnetnews03> Reply-To: kkollins@concentric.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ts004d18.spr-ma.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) Xref: biosci bionet.biophysics:4539 bionet.microbiology:15020 bionet.neuroscience:25755 Deano wrote: > This line of conversation just gets weirder and weirder. > > >But what's the length of a "day" in God's Eternity? How can anyone > say=anything= with respect to such? > > It doesn't matter how long the day is, if you create one thing you can't go > back and then create something else earlier. Well you could if you travel > back in time. Nope... folks at Fermilab have demonstrated that that can't be done... what's been referred to as "time" is a strictly-one-way affair (at least in the Universal epoch in which we exist... we can't build "perpetual motion machines" for the =same= reason). > But why not just do things in the right order to begin with. > > >Be-cause I've traced the energy dynamics of our nervous systems all the way > up > >to Free Will, and have seen, with my own eyes, that our nervous systems, > through > >which we actualize behavior, are =totally= "in Love" with the flow of > energy in > >which they're immersed. > > I'm not an expert on the nervous system but I didn't realise that you could > trace individual emotions in it. If possible could you explain to me how > love works in the nervous sytem (sarcasm intended). > > Life Begun! at > >the moment of Conception, to the sweet "thunder" of collective voices > Singing > >God's Praise, to our final Hope as Life goes our of our bodies in it's > Joyous > >Rush to Join God... everything within us =Resounds= with God... why not See > >what's so Awesomely-Beautiful in all this rather than cast God in our > image... > > Look if you want to preach the name of Jesus why not go to a religion > newsgroup. This is microbiology newsgroup. Most of the people here have > never seen god under the microscope and I don't think that's gonna happen. > He isn't going to be sitting there next to a mitochondria! > Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to offend you. I believe that everyone is > entitled to their believes no matter how weird they are. But when these > people start talking about their religion outside of the subjects in which > it belongs, then that annoys me. Religion and science were never meant to be > joined (well maybe at philosophy). > So please don't use this newsgroup as a pulpit. > Deano. From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Fri Nov 13 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!news.stanford.edu!su-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master From: kkollins@pop3.concentric.net Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics,bionet.microbiology,bionet.neuroscience Subject: Re: K.P. the beast Date: 14 Nov 1998 03:58:39 PST Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 80 Message-ID: <364D7007.E5C6ADAA@pop3.concentric.net> References: <721spg$cr7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36449D67.378533CC@pop3.concentric.net> <36449FE2.313F8F3@pop3.concentric.net> <36477CA4.D2FED10@pop3.concentric.net> <3647B373.953F0A70@pop3.concentric.net> <3649B0AF.E720E242@psci.net> <364AAB63.C5056FB9@pop3.concentric.net> <364B5C6D.75E14B08@indiana.edu> <364D36DB.C890348B@pop3.concentric.net> <#o$$nA8D#GA.257@upnetnews03> Reply-To: kkollins@concentric.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ts004d18.spr-ma.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) Xref: biosci bionet.biophysics:4538 bionet.microbiology:15019 bionet.neuroscience:25754 "Interesting"... you post to multiple groups in bionet.biophysics, then go over to bionet.neuroscience and delete the cross-posts over there, which was the only place I've been working... got something to "hide"? :-) Deano wrote: > This line of conversation just gets weirder and weirder. > > >But what's the length of a "day" in God's Eternity? How can anyone > say=anything= with respect to such? > > It doesn't matter how long the day is, if you create one thing you can't go > back and then create something else earlier. Well you could if you travel > back in time. But why not just do things in the right order to begin with. Depending on environmental conditions, evolutionary dynamics go both ways... all "evolution" is is optimization with respect to the local energy gradient... that's all genetics is, too. > >Be-cause I've traced the energy dynamics of our nervous systems all the way > up > >to Free Will, and have seen, with my own eyes, that our nervous systems, > through > >which we actualize behavior, are =totally= "in Love" with the flow of > energy in > >which they're immersed. > > I'm not an expert on the nervous system but I didn't realise that you could > trace individual emotions in it. If possible could you explain to me how > love works in the nervous sytem (sarcasm intended). "Love" is one of the Easiest things... my work also nails down "curiosity", "creativity", "volition" and Prejudice. "Love" is =simply= "moving-toward". "Hate" is "moving-away-from". "Jealousy" and "Envy" are a bit more-difficult, but not much. "Love" is =simply= "moving-toward". "Hate" is "moving-away-from". "Affect" "comes-along-for-the-ride", amplifying and prioritizing various internal-inputs to the overall mechanism, so that it's of-a-piece... but it's all "just" "moving-toward" or "moving-away-from"... guess which "category" deleting msgs surrepticiously fits into? > Life Begun! at > >the moment of Conception, to the sweet "thunder" of collective voices > Singing > >God's Praise, to our final Hope as Life goes our of our bodies in it's > Joyous > >Rush to Join God... everything within us =Resounds= with God... why not See > >what's so Awesomely-Beautiful in all this rather than cast God in our > image... > > Look if you want to preach the name of Jesus why not go to a religion > newsgroup. This is microbiology newsgroup. Most of the people here have > never seen god under the microscope and I don't think that's gonna happen. > He isn't going to be sitting there next to a mitochondria! God's rithgt there =in= the mitochondria... if you haven't seen such, you just haven't looked at all. > Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to offend you. I believe that everyone is > entitled to their believes no matter how weird they are. No you don't... you wouldn't be surrepticiously manipulating what you post if you at-all Cared about Truth. > But when these > people start talking about their religion outside of the subjects in which > it belongs, then that annoys me. There you go again... "moving-away-from"... fundamentally, it's a Fear of Learning. > Religion and science were never meant to be > joined (well maybe at philosophy). > So please don't use this newsgroup as a pulpit. Hey, you're the one who's "jumping" my posts then running away to "hide". K. P. Collins From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Sat Nov 14 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!oleane!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "Alexandre.CYBERT" Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics Subject: Need information of blood ans substitute of Blood Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 12:12:00 -0400 Organization: Wanadoo - (Client of French Internet Provider) Lines: 16 Message-ID: <72mulk$qh0$1@platane.wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: papitre2-207.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I will like to have some precisions : >As physician prefferred tou a sanguine transfusion or one of the blood of >subtitution if it arrive an accident ? > >Can you give me information in medicine on the "Dextran" and the >"Ringer Lactate". > >can you to give me your position in medicine and the number of year >of experience to the breast of the medecine ? > >I written you from french so as to have the foreign specialist notice, i >tank you some advance. > From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Sat Nov 14 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!news.stanford.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.unt.edu!news From: Chris Fields Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics,bionet.microbiology,bionet.neuroscience Subject: Re: K.P. the beast Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 15:16:13 -0600 Organization: University of North Texas Lines: 24 Message-ID: <364F449D.B6E8E25C@jove.acs.unt.edu> References: <721spg$cr7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36449D67.378533CC@pop3.concentric.net> <36449FE2.313F8F3@pop3.concentric.net> <36477CA4.D2FED10@pop3.concentric.net> <3647B373.953F0A70@pop3.concentric.net> <3649B0AF.E720E242@psci.net> <364AAB63.C5056FB9@pop3.concentric.net> <364B5C6D.75E14B08@indiana.edu> <364D36DB.C890348B@pop3.concentric.net> <#o$$nA8D#GA.257@upnetnews03> <364D7007.E5C6ADAA@pop3.concentric.net> Reply-To: "cjfields @jove.acs.unt.edu" NNTP-Posting-Host: remote49.server1.local.premium.dialup.unt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: biosci bionet.biophysics:4545 bionet.microbiology:15032 bionet.neuroscience:25783 Deano wrote: Okay folks, this has gone just a little off-the-topic for a microbiology and neuroscience newsgroups. Go to email or take it outside (just don't forget to wear gloves and headgear, we ARE trying to be civilised here). BTW, my bets are on Deano. C. J. Fields Graduate Student, Dept. of Biological Sciences The University of North Texas Denton, TX email : cjfields@jove.acs.unt.edu \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\oooooooooooooooo//////////////////// "Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys" -P. J. O'Rourke "Join the military. Travel to exotic places, meet exciting people, then kill them" -Anonymous ////////////////////oooooooooooooooo\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Sun Nov 15 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!news.stanford.edu!su-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!novia!sequencer.newscene.com!not-for-mail From: pyro Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics,bionet.microbiology,bionet.neuroscience Subject: Re: K.P. the beast Date: 15 Nov 1998 18:42:03 -0600 Organization: Newscene Public Access Usenet News Service (http://www.newscene.com/) Lines: 36 Message-ID: <364F73D8.FDE3BE65@novia.net> References: <721spg$cr7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36449D67.378533CC@pop3.concentric.net> <36449FE2.313F8F3@pop3.concentric.net> <36477CA4.D2FED10@pop3.concentric.net> <3647B373.953F0A70@pop3.concentric.net> <3649B0AF.E720E242@psci.net> <364AAB63.C5056FB9@pop3.concentric.net> <364B5C6D.75E14B08@indiana.edu> <364D36DB.C890348B@pop3.concentric.net> <#o$$nA8D#GA.257@upnetnews03> <364D7007.E5C6ADAA@pop3.concentric.net> <364F449D.B6E8E25C@jove.acs.unt.edu> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: biosci bionet.biophysics:4546 bionet.microbiology:15034 bionet.neuroscience:25785 C.J. and Deano- Isn't this supposed to be a moderated newsgroup, with rules to be observed? Such as not dragging in unrelated topics (ie:religion)? How can I set a "bozo-filter" (killfile) up so I don't have to wade through tons of this dreck the next time I don't check the newsgroup for a few days? Thanks much, guys. Amanda Chris Fields wrote: > Deano wrote: > > > > Okay folks, this has gone just a little off-the-topic for a microbiology > and neuroscience newsgroups. Go to email or take it outside (just don't > forget to wear gloves and headgear, we ARE trying to be civilised here). > > BTW, my bets are on Deano. > > C. J. Fields > Graduate Student, Dept. of Biological Sciences > The University of North Texas > Denton, TX > > email : cjfields@jove.acs.unt.edu > \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\oooooooooooooooo//////////////////// > "Giving money and power to government is like giving > whiskey and car keys to teenage boys" > -P. J. O'Rourke > "Join the military. Travel to exotic places, meet > exciting people, then kill them" > -Anonymous > ////////////////////oooooooooooooooo\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Sun Nov 15 22:00:00 1998 From: "Deano" References: <721spg$cr7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36449D67.378533CC@pop3.concentric.net> <36449FE2.313F8F3@pop3.concentric.net> <36477CA4.D2FED10@pop3.concentric.net> <3647B373.953F0A70@pop3.concentric.net> <3649B0AF.E720E242@psci.net> <364AAB63.C5056FB9@pop3.concentric.net> <364B5C6D.75E14B08@indiana.edu> <364D36DB.C890348B@pop3.concentric.net> <#o$$nA8D#GA.257@upnetnews03> <364D7007.E5C6ADAA@pop3.concentric.net> <364F449D.B6E8E25C@jove.acs.unt.edu> <364F73D8.FDE3BE65@novia.net> Subject: Re: K.P. the beast Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 16:48:57 -0000 Lines: 15 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics,bionet.microbiology,bionet.neuroscience NNTP-Posting-Host: usern501.uk.uudial.com [193.149.85.26] Path: biosci!news.stanford.edu!su-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.68.152.14!upnetnews04!upnetnews03 Xref: biosci bionet.biophysics:4548 bionet.microbiology:15037 bionet.neuroscience:25814 Sorry Diane didn't really write that but I was using her computer at the time. Deano. Diane wrote in message ... >OK, sorry to everyone I guess I just got to involved in the flow of >conversation. I won't be writing anymore posts about this subject so I >apologise to K.P. the beast for suddenly stopping. >Sorry again. >Deano. >P.S.- Thanks for the support Chris > > From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Wed Nov 18 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!cnn.nas.nasa.gov!news.stanford.edu!su-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.pbi.net!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newsfeed.telalink.net!usenet From: "News" Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics,bionet.microbiology,bionet.neuroscience Subject: Re: K.P. the beast Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:15:47 -0600 Organization: Telalink Corporation, Nashville, TN, USA Lines: 65 Message-ID: <72s7c5$1mt@apple.telalink.net> References: <721spg$cr7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36449D67.378533CC@pop3.concentric.net> <36449FE2.313F8F3@pop3.concentric.net> <36477CA4.D2FED10@pop3.concentric.net> <3647B373.953F0A70@pop3.concentric.net> <3649B0AF.E720E242@psci.net> <364AAB63.C5056FB9@pop3.concentric.net> <364B5C6D.75E14B08@indiana.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.234.7.126 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: biosci bionet.biophysics:4553 bionet.microbiology:15053 bionet.neuroscience:25841 Stephan Anagnostaras wrote in message ... >In article <364B5C6D.75E14B08@indiana.edu>, qmorrisREMOVE@indiana.edu wrote: >> Will someone go back, read genesis, and tell us WHERE >> the account of creation PROHIBITS the possibility of evolution? >> >> Otherwise, shut up. :) >> >> Shaft > >Basically, it does. The story of Genesis clearly states the abrupt >appearance of humans in complex form. Plus, God created man in his image. >It doesn't say he created the animals and then hoped that one day millions >of years later man might turn out in his image. It clearly indicates that >man was created abruptly in God's image. So this precludes the possibility >of evolution, at least for man. No, it does not. It says nothing of how man was created. It appears that the assumption here is that time is a constant, which we know that it is not. It also appears limiting the scene to the four dimensions in which we live. In theory there are a number of different dimentions. Each could be a univers of it's own, with it's own scientific laws that may or may not apply to the dimensions in which we live. > >The account of Adam and Eve is even more difficult to reconcile, because >of the appearance of the male sex before the female sex. Plus, in this >account humans are apparently created BEFORE simpler animals and >vegetation (this is the opposite order however of the first creation >story... of course, we know the historical sources of these two stories >are different). This account is more problematic, but in either case, both >accounts agree on the abrupt appearance of man in complex form. > I do not have a problem with the sudden appearrance of any piece of matter of energy form, if we are talking of a being advanced beyond our comprehension. We know that matter can be converted to energy, and vice versa. We cannot currently control both processes except in the most primitive ways. However, from the use of such technology, we are still in the infancy. By denying that superior being could have such capabilities goes against the very process that we discuss here - evolution. >This aside, I don't think people should make their careers out of testing >things in the Bible as scientific questions, this is a silly practice. I agree that careers should not be made of such things, however contemplating the possibilities does lead to prctical benefits. Asking ones self, "How could this be done?" has been the start of many a discovery. The Bible, the Torah, the Koran, and any number of other religious texts can serve to spur such inquiries. >Any particular Bible has been translated too many times to have this level >of technical accuracy and the creation stories (of which there are two) >have independent sources and disagree on some key issues, relevant to the >debate, so what is the point? > >Cheers, >Stephan I think the only point of any of this is a search for, and a continual testing of the truth as we understand it. What is true for us today may change because of evidence presented tomorrow. We must always question what we know, else we become complacent and ignorant. From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Wed Nov 18 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!news.alaska.edu!newsfeed.acns.nwu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master From: kkollins@pop3.concentric.net Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics,bionet.microbiology,bionet.neuroscience Subject: Re: the beast Date: 17 Nov 1998 18:59:01 PST Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 38 Message-ID: <36523785.484B17DE@pop3.concentric.net> References: <721spg$cr7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36449D67.378533CC@pop3.concentric.net> <36449FE2.313F8F3@pop3.concentric.net> <36477CA4.D2FED10@pop3.concentric.net> <3647B373.953F0A70@pop3.concentric.net> <3649B0AF.E720E242@psci.net> <364AAB63.C5056FB9@pop3.concentric.net> <364B5C6D.75E14B08@indiana.edu> <72s9eb$2fe@apple.telalink.net> Reply-To: kkollins@concentric.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ts001d24.spr-ma.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) Xref: biosci bionet.biophysics:4551 bionet.microbiology:15049 bionet.neuroscience:25838 News wrote: > [...] > However there seems to be this conception that you have to be on one side or > the other of this arguement. It appears that for some of us at least, there is > a middle ground. Kindly, =Exclude= me from what you refer to as "middle ground"... and "sit on" your "cleverness", "two", then give The Lord's Sermon on the Mount a read. I'm a devoted Amateur Scientist. I am here to discuss the Science I've developed. Part of that is the requirement that I Acknowledge Christ's Verifiable Priority... if I failed to do so, I'd cease to be Scientist and become a Plagerist. Nothing I'll be able to say will "explain" God... all I'm doing is Acknowledging Christ's Priority to things I thought I'd "discovered"... I'm Acknowledging Christ's jaw-hangingly-Awesome Foreknowledge of where modern Neuroscience would, Verifiably, lead so as to fulfill the Obligation I have as a Scientist to Acknowledge Priority when I become Aware of such. I =cannot= "explain" Jesus's Foreknowledge. I'm just Declaring that it is Demonstrable that Jesus Knew how our nervous systems process information, and that He Taught Lovingly with respect to such. I'm in a discussion over in alt.religion.gnostic, if you want to pursue things, please do so over there. Bring along all your "fanatical friends" who've persuaded themselves to Believe what they Choose to Believe with respect to me, and I'll do my best to set you Straight. "Good-Greief! It shouldn't be so Hard to just Declare a point in Science... but it's so, of course, because folks "Worship" the "Beast", Ignorance. I've Asked enough of the folks who meet here to do Neuroscience, and having fulfilled my Obligation to folks in Neuroscience with respect to Christ's Priority, I'm going to wrap things up, and then move on to doing more Neuroscience in bionet.neruoscience. K. P. Collins From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Wed Nov 18 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!news.alaska.edu!newsfeed.acns.nwu.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed5.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.tufts.edu!not-for-mail From: Regina Valluzzi Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics Subject: Biophysicists out there? Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 18:39:04 -0500 Organization: Tufts University Lines: 6 Message-ID: <36520917.78980BDF@marvin.tufts.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: st7319.infonet.tufts.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news3.tufts.edu 911346421 2649 (None) 130.64.10.53 X-Complaints-To: news@news.tufts.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Is there anyone else out there who is a) a biophysicist b) actively conducting research in biophysics? I'm studying biological liquid crystallinity and would simply like to bounce ideas off of someone. From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Wed Nov 18 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newsfeed.telalink.net!usenet From: "News" Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics,bionet.microbiology,bionet.neuroscience Subject: Re: K.P. the beast Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:51:12 -0600 Organization: Telalink Corporation, Nashville, TN, USA Lines: 39 Message-ID: <72s9eb$2fe@apple.telalink.net> References: <721spg$cr7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36449D67.378533CC@pop3.concentric.net> <36449FE2.313F8F3@pop3.concentric.net> <36477CA4.D2FED10@pop3.concentric.net> <3647B373.953F0A70@pop3.concentric.net> <3649B0AF.E720E242@psci.net> <364AAB63.C5056FB9@pop3.concentric.net> <364B5C6D.75E14B08@indiana.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.234.7.126 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: biosci bionet.biophysics:4549 bionet.microbiology:15044 bionet.neuroscience:25833 Deano wrote in message ... >Hi, >I just wanted to say that I agree with you completely. Science shouldn't >have to be cross-referenced with the bible. The bible is just a book with >facts mixed in with certain moral stories (well that's how I think of it >anyway, hope I don't offend too many people). >Look what happened when geologists tried to work out how old the earth was. >They looked at the bible and worked out when the world was created by going >along the family tree of Adam & Eve. They ended up with a figure of a few >thousand years. If you try to tell anyone this now they'd laugh at you. >Maybe in the future people will look back and think how silly some people >were for thinking that the earth was made by some strange entity? >Just adding my 2 cents. >Deano. > > The few thousand year version may not be as absurd as it may sound. If we are dealing with a superior being, one able to manipulate matter and energy at will, the creation of a universe in a short time span is not a great stretch. Also, we are not told if this is the first time that 'God' created the universe or not. What if this being had tried other lifeforms, tired of the experiment or decided it to be a failure? If this being is like most researchers, it would keep a copy of the basic instructions necessary to reproduce the experiment. If the being has the ability to manipulate matter and energy as we are discussing, it would not be a stretch to envision it having the capability to store a representation of the universe in it's last known state, such that it could be re-instated should the need or desire arise. Similar to the concept of a 'holodeck' If this were the case, the resultant universe would appear with a timeline different from the inhabitants created. True, my ideas here are strictly conjecture, and in the overall scheme of things will matter very little. However there seems to be this conception that you have to be on one side or the other of this arguement. It appears that for some of us at least, there is a middle ground. From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Wed Nov 18 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!news.alaska.edu!newsfeed.acns.nwu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master From: kkollins@pop3.concentric.net Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics,bionet.microbiology,bionet.neuroscience Subject: Re: the beast Date: 17 Nov 1998 19:26:38 PST Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 31 Message-ID: <36523DFF.F98190D1@pop3.concentric.net> References: <721spg$cr7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36449D67.378533CC@pop3.concentric.net> <36449FE2.313F8F3@pop3.concentric.net> <36477CA4.D2FED10@pop3.concentric.net> <3647B373.953F0A70@pop3.concentric.net> <3649B0AF.E720E242@psci.net> <364AAB63.C5056FB9@pop3.concentric.net> <364B5C6D.75E14B08@indiana.edu> <72s7c5$1mt@apple.telalink.net> Reply-To: kkollins@concentric.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ts001d24.spr-ma.concentric.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) Xref: biosci bionet.biophysics:4552 bionet.microbiology:15051 bionet.neuroscience:25839 News wrote: > I think the only point of any of this is a search for, and a continual > testing of the truth as we understand it. All anyone can do is =seek= Truth. > What is true for us today may change because of evidence presented tomorrow. There Exists no such thing as small-"t"-ruth. All there is Imutable Truth... our "job" is to seek-it-out, Recognize it, and Acknowledge it when we See it. > We must always question what we know, else we become complacent and ignorant. I Agree... Why it's so is Explained in the Science I've done... the Science that =almost= everyone, of every persuasion, "moves away from"... I show folks the Beast Living in their Flesh, and rather than finding Joy in such... because folks, "[...] know well what [they are] fleeing, but not what [they are] in search of." (Michel de Mantaigne; quoted on page one of AoK)... folks "rise-up" in Defense of the "Beast" that Lives in their flesh. Talk about "Dementions"... Heaven Help anyone who comes up against such Blind Automation... and that's "just" it... In Jesus, Heaven Did... isn't it so? I =Apologize= for the unseemly "Stearnness" of my response... "Tests" and I have never gotton-along very well... but don't come before me =Celebrating= Ignorance, and stay out from between Truth and me, or Expect to get Straightened-out real quick. K. P. Collins From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Thu Nov 19 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!biosci!not-for-mail From: kottenhahn@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics,bionet.cellbiol,bionet.molbio.proteins Subject: X-ray Clinics and Pharmaceutical Symposium from the International Date: 19 Nov 1998 20:25:56 -0800 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 33 Sender: daemon@net.bio.net Distribution: world Message-ID: <72hjo8$8m7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: net.bio.net Xref: biosci bionet.biophysics:4556 bionet.cellbiol:10861 bionet.molbio.proteins:13586 The International Centre for Diffraction Data ICDD) 1999 X-ray Clinics April 19-23, Fundamentals of X-ray Fluorescence Spectrometry. 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FAX: 610-325-9823, E-mail: PPXRD@icdd.com, Web site: www.icdd.com, Internet: info@icdd.com. -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Thu Nov 19 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!newshost.lanl.gov!awabi.library.ucla.edu!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!ulowell.uml.edu!news-feeder.onramp.net!rice!not-for-mail From: wtheller@SPAM.THIS.SPARKY.hhserv.rice.edu (William Heller) Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics Subject: Re: Biophysicists out there? Date: 18 Nov 1998 21:17:37 GMT Organization: Rice University, Houston, Texas Lines: 22 Message-ID: <72vdhh$rr6$1@joe.rice.edu> References: <36520917.78980BDF@marvin.tufts.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: bilayer.rice.edu In article <36520917.78980BDF@marvin.tufts.edu> Regina Valluzzi writes: > Is there anyone else out there who is > a) a biophysicist yes > b) actively conducting research in biophysics? also yes > I'm studying biological liquid crystallinity and would simply like to > bounce ideas off of someone. I suppose I'll need a little more information before I can say much. What exactly are you working on? Lipid bilayers can be made into liquid crystals (a multilamellar stack), and I'm sure that under the right conditions there are plenty of other biological molecules which can be made into a liquid crystal. What are you doing with/to the liquid crystals? -- William Thomas Heller Rice University wtheller@hhserv.rice.edu Physics Department From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Thu Nov 19 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!fcs280s.ncifcrf.gov!cpk-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.indiana.edu!not-for-mail From: Shaft Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics,bionet.microbiology,bionet.neuroscience Subject: Re: K.P. the beast Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 14:35:00 -0500 Organization: Indiana University Lines: 35 Message-ID: <36532160.4995D522@indiana.edu> References: <721spg$cr7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36449D67.378533CC@pop3.concentric.net> <36449FE2.313F8F3@pop3.concentric.net> <36477CA4.D2FED10@pop3.concentric.net> <3647B373.953F0A70@pop3.concentric.net> <3649B0AF.E720E242@psci.net> <364AAB63.C5056FB9@pop3.concentric.net> <364B5C6D.75E14B08@indiana.edu> <72s7c5$1mt@apple.telalink.net> Reply-To: qmorrisREMOVE@indiana.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: fa215-6.ucs.indiana.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Xref: biosci bionet.biophysics:4554 bionet.microbiology:15055 bionet.neuroscience:25844 You can search for middle ground in the fray of the arguments, and inhabit with your comfortable beliefs, but one fact remains. The numerous hypotheses of creation by the hand of God are UNTESTABLE, and therefore UNSCIENTIFIC. If you believe in the beauty and simplicity of the scientific method as a model that guides your life and your pursuit of the truth outside the laboratory, then you will quickly find yourself among the agnostics. So, find your middle ground. Feed your "inquiries". But realize that your hybrid philosophy of the universal creation is only partially based on scientific thinking. The other part is pure revelation. shaft News wrote: > Asking ones > self, "How could this be done?" has been the start of many a discovery. The > Bible, the Torah, the Koran, and any number of other religious texts can > serve to spur such inquiries. > > >Any particular Bible has been translated too many times to have this level > >of technical accuracy and the creation stories (of which there are two) > >have independent sources and disagree on some key issues, relevant to the > >debate, so what is the point? > > > >Cheers, > >Stephan > > I think the only point of any of this is a search for, and a continual > testing of the truth as we understand it. What is true for us today may > change because of evidence presented tomorrow. We must always question what > we know, else we become complacent and ignorant. From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Thu Nov 19 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!biosci!not-for-mail From: kottenhahn@icdd.com Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics,bionet.cellbiol,bionet.molbio.proteins Subject: 1999 Denver X-ray Conference Date: 19 Nov 1998 20:27:31 -0800 Organization: International Centre for Diffraction Data Lines: 17 Sender: daemon@net.bio.net Distribution: world Message-ID: <72pft5$h8r$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: net.bio.net Xref: biosci bionet.biophysics:4557 bionet.cellbiol:10862 bionet.molbio.proteins:13587 The 1999 Denver X-ray Conference will be held August 2 - August 6 at the Sheraton Steamboat Resort, Steamboat Springs, Colorado, U.S.A. Detailed conference information and a tentative program is available on the Denver X-ray Conference web page at http://www.dxcicdd.com. For further information, please contact Denise Flaherty, Conference Coordinator, ICDD, 12 Campus Blvd., Newtown Square, PA 19073-3273, Phone: 610-325-9814, Fax: 610-325-9823, E-mail: flaherty@icdd.com. -- International Centre for Diffraction Data www.icdd.com, www.dxcicdd.com, www.ixas.org webmaster@icdd -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Thu Nov 19 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!news.alaska.edu!newsfeed.acns.nwu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!awabi.library.ucla.edu!164.67.43.25!news.ucla.edu!not-for-mail From: "Kevin Klapstein" Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics Subject: Re: Biophysicists out there? Date: 18 Nov 1998 22:05:00 GMT Organization: University of California, Los Angeles Lines: 33 Message-ID: <01be1340$84ab3500$1c9c8e95@gradlab_pc_2.biomath.medsch.ucla.edu> References: <36520917.78980BDF@marvin.tufts.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 149.142.156.28 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Regina Valluzzi wrote in article <36520917.78980BDF@marvin.tufts.edu>... > Is there anyone else out there who is > a) a biophysicist > b) actively conducting research in biophysics? > I'm studying biological liquid crystallinity and would simply like to > bounce ideas off of someone. > > I'm afraid I'm a poor choice. I am doing modeling of RecA from very much a physicist's standpoint, so I am doing biophysics, but I'm not up on liquid crystals. What you might want to do is look at the following: Find out about from the web about a professor of physics at the University of Alberta in Canada named Jack Tsuzinsky (sp?) who used to do some work in nematic liquid crystals. Alternately, there is a former graduate student of his who worked on the topic for his thesis named Alex Nip. His personal home page is http://redpoll.pharmacy.ualberta.ca/~anip/ He may be interested... he may not. He does mostly NMR work on large molecules now. Cheers, Kevin From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Thu Nov 19 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!GlaxoWellcome.co.uk!gzz78923 From: gzz78923@GlaxoWellcome.co.uk ("Goryanin, Igor I") Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics Subject: FW: DBsolve update: software for metabolic, enzymatic and recept or-ligand binding simulation. Date: 20 Nov 1998 08:34:21 -0800 Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Molecular Biology Lines: 27 Sender: daemon@net.bio.net Distribution: world Message-ID: <51BC02697F59D011BC02080009EBCA8C01C522FE@ukz206.ggr.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: net.bio.net > > > DBsolve5 (Windows 95/98/NT) is now AVAILABLE from > > http://www.mcs.anl.gov/home/compbio/Goryanin > > New features > > 1. Metabolic pathway (reaction schema) editor. > 2. Run time Chart editor including 3D graphics > 3. Grid Conrols (Spreadsheets) for defining model and experimental data > fitting. > 4. Unified control panel with tabs > 5. Wizards for creating new models and more ... > > Dr. Igor Goryanin > ATI, GlaxoWelcome Research Medicine Centre, > Gunnels Wood Road, > Stevenage, Herts, SG1 2NY, > UK > Tel: 44 (0)1438 764197 > Fax: 44 (0)1438 763082 > e-mail: gzz78923@glaxowellcome.co.uk > > From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Fri Nov 20 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!agate!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Dave" Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics,bionet.general Subject: Hello. Absorption Spectrum Diagram Anyone? Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 18:42:41 -0000 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7371me$h9a$1@newsreader4.core.theplanet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-51.radium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsreader4.core.theplanet.net 911673870 17706 62.136.43.179 (21 Nov 1998 18:44:30 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Nov 1998 18:44:30 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: biosci bionet.biophysics:4560 bionet.general:31676 Yes Please. (You know, as in photosynthesis, pigments, light etc.) I require one rather urgently, as mine has died and I cannot find another one illustrating the colours and wavelengths. I would be hugely chuffed and thankful if you could e-mail me one in Word 97 useable condition. Thanks lots, Dave at dave@thom51.freeserve.co.uk From owner-biophysics@net.bio.net Sun Nov 22 22:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!howland.erols.net!usc!not-for-mail From: "Dane Myers" Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics,bionet.microbiology,bionet.neuroscience Subject: Re: K.P. the beast Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 22:45:38 -0800 Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 26 Message-ID: <73b09n$9r8$1@usc.edu> References: <721spg$cr7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36449D67.378533CC@pop3.concentric.net> <36449FE2.313F8F3@pop3.concentric.net> <36477CA4.D2FED10@pop3.concentric.net> <3647B373.953F0A70@pop3.concentric.net> <3649B0AF.E720E242@psci.net> <364AAB63.C5056FB9@pop3.concentric.net> <364B5C6D.75E14B08@indiana.edu> <72s7c5$1mt@apple.telalink.net> <36532160.4995D522@indiana.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-224-009.usc.edu X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: biosci bionet.biophysics:4561 bionet.microbiology:15107 bionet.neuroscience:25911 Fully one third of the current hypothesis in high energy physics are untestable; the Standard Model fits current empirical theory fairly well, and you'd be run out the back door permanently were you to accuse the big boys at CERN or SLAC of running on faith. But E still equals mc^2, Higgs bosons still decay to leptons, and although not very pretty, the Standard Model is still empirically pleasing. Now tell me again why testability must predicate science? Shaft wrot