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Matematica - Politecnico di Torino X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13-5mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: biomat@calvino.polito.it Subject: job Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------DAD5DA1F0CD2012898F3DC23" X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------DAD5DA1F0CD2012898F3DC23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- Luigi Preziosi Dip. Matematica - Politecnico di Torino Corso Duca degli Abruzzi 24 Ph. +39-011-5647531 10129 Torino (Italy) FAX +39-011-5647599 --------------DAD5DA1F0CD2012898F3DC23 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; name="adita.html" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="adita.html" Personnel and mobility costs related to the temporary appointment of young researcher In the framework of the Research Training Network (RTN) project

"Using Mathematical Modelling and Computer Simulation to Improve Cancer Therapy"

the European Community is providing two 24 months-fellowships to be held at the Politecnico di Torino, starting October 1st, 2000 and October 1st, 2001, respectively.

The fellowships will cover

  • a grant of 2161 Euros per month which includes any social charges and pension costs related to the appointments,
  • reimbursement of relocation costs up to 1000 Euros and according to the receipts shown,
  • travel costs up to 500 Euros per year (public transport costs only) for one visit to the home scientific community (only travel to a Member State or Associated State).
To be eligible for the appointment the young researchers must meet all of the following conditions:
 
Age They must be aged 35 years or less at the time of their appointment. An exemption will be made for compulsory military service or childcare.
Degree They must be holders of a doctoral degree or of a degree, obtained from a university or equivalent institution of higher education, which qualifies them to embark on a doctoral degree.
Nationality They must be nationals of a Community Member State or an Associated State or must have resided in the Community for at least five years prior to their appointment.
Mobility They must not be italians and must not have carried out their normal activities in Italy for more than 12 of the 24 months prior to their appointment.

 

Content of Work.

The aim of the Research Training Network is to develop the whole modelling process from phenomenological observation to simulation and validation, through the development of mathematical models and their qualitative and quantitative study, in order to simulate the different aspects of tumor dynamics within the full range of scales: sub-cellular, cellular and macroscopic.
In this framework, the researchers are appointed specifically:

  • to assist the network co-ordinator in the scientific co-ordination of the Research Training Network project.
  • to carry out research on mathematical modelling and computer simulation of tumor evolution at the macroscopic and cellular scale.
    • Good background in biomathematics, continuum mechanics or kinetic theory is required. Applications should contain:
    • Curriculum vitae
    • List of publications (if any) and copies of the most important ones
    • One recommendation letter
    • Short description of main fields of interests
    and should be sent within September 30th, 2000 to

    Luigi Preziosi
    Dip. Matematica
    Politecnico di Torino
    Corso Duca degli Abruzzi 24
    10129 Torino (Italy)

    For further questions, please contact: biomat@calvino.polito.it
     
      --------------DAD5DA1F0CD2012898F3DC23-- --------------BD063BDA671208D312388260-- From owner-biophys@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sun Jul 30 03:53:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 110) id D37EA17ADC; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 03:53:53 +0100 (BST) Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 6024) id 8D2F017AD6; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 03:53:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (niobium [193.62.192.41]) by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id C71B3415DA for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 03:53:51 +0100 (BST) Received: (from news@localhost) by niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) id DAA22677 for biophys-list@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 03:53:50 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk: news set sender to using -f From: David Walters X-Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,alt.sci.physics,alt.sci.physics.new-theories,bionet.biophysics,sci.med.physics Subject: Question about the theory of coherent domains Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 14:49:21 +1200 Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 6 Message-ID: <300720001449214268%dwalters@ihug.co.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: YA-NewsWatcher/5.0.1 To: biophys@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sender: owner-biophys@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Is there anyone here who knows enough about physics to be able to usefully comment upon whether Emilio Del Giudice and Giuliano Preparata's theory of coherent domains has much chance of being true, and if it does, whether it can explain the phenomenon of the memory of water studied by Jacques Benveniste? From owner-biophys@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sun Jul 30 11:48:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 110) id 22E0D17A96; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:48:09 +0100 (BST) Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 6024) id E7DF217A92; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:48:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (niobium [193.62.192.41]) by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6943D415CF for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:48:07 +0100 (BST) Received: (from news@localhost) by niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) id LAA28218 for biophys-list@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:48:06 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk: news set sender to using -f From: rcb5@msn.com ("Ron Blue") X-Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics Subject: Re: Question about the theory of coherent domains Date: 30 Jul 2000 11:48:05 +0100 Organization: BIOSCI/MRC Human Genome Mapping Project Resource Centre Lines: 29 Message-ID: <003501bffa13$a1fe8d80$5c1b183f@pavilion> References: <300720001449214268%dwalters@ihug.co.nz> X-Trace: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk 964954086 28216 193.62.192.80 (30 Jul 2000 10:48:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@net.bio.net X-Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 6024) id AB23317A92; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:48:04 +0100 (BST) X-Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (unknown [207.46.181.60]) by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FC3E415CF for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:48:03 +0100 (BST) X-Received: from pavilion - 63.24.27.92 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 03:47:30 -0700 X-Reply-To: "Ron Blue" X-To: "David Walters" , X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 To: biophys@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sender: owner-biophys@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This topic sound strangely similar to oscillon memory in a wavelet interaction/interference system. To understand how such a systemic memory can be established by paper Correlational Opponent Processing may interest you. You can read it by going to http://www.turn.to/ai Ron Blue ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Walters" To: Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2000 10:49 PM Subject: Question about the theory of coherent domains > > Is there anyone here who knows enough about physics to be able to > usefully comment upon whether Emilio Del Giudice and Giuliano > Preparata's theory of coherent domains has much chance of being true, > and if it does, whether it can explain the phenomenon of the memory of > water studied by Jacques Benveniste? > > > --- From owner-biophys@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sun Jul 30 16:39:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 110) id 0AC4A17AC9; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:39:13 +0100 (BST) Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 6024) id 6A39817A7C; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:39:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (niobium [193.62.192.41]) by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B6C5415D4 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:39:11 +0100 (BST) Received: (from news@localhost) by niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) id QAA01730 for biophys-list@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:39:10 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk: news set sender to using -f Reply-To: "tadchem" From: "tadchem" X-Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,alt.sci.physics,alt.sci.physics.new-theories,bionet.biophysics,sci.med.physics References: <300720001449214268%dwalters@ihug.co.nz> Subject: Re: Question about the theory of coherent domains Lines: 41 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 15:39:09 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 964971549 63.211.242.61 (Sun, 30 Jul 2000 08:39:09 PDT) Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net To: biophys@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sender: owner-biophys@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Precedence: bulk "David Walters" wrote in message news:300720001449214268%dwalters@ihug.co.nz... > > Is there anyone here who knows enough about physics to be able to > usefully comment upon whether Emilio Del Giudice and Giuliano > Preparata's theory of coherent domains has much chance of being true, > and if it does, whether it can explain the phenomenon of the memory of > water studied by Jacques Benveniste? The theory of coherent domains is an attempt to rationalize the semi-religious belief of homeopaths in the ability of water molecules to retain an "imprint" of a molecule that was once present. This in turn is an elaborate rationalization of their belief that water, once exposed to a molecule, somehow carries the chemical effectiveness with regard to "healing properties" that the molecule has, without the damaging side effects. This in turn is an updated version of the ancient belief in "contact" magic - the belief that contact with something that has magical powers can somehow lead to a transfer of those powers. Look up the word "tabu" in the encyclopedia. To get back to the "theory", it amounts to the assertion that water molecules can respond to the presence of a solute molecule by forming a "coherent domain" that somehow persists after the solute molecule is removed, and that the "domain" is stabilized with respect to thermal motion of the water molecules through some unspecified "phase-locking" mechanism. The concept has no quantitative components (there is no prediction as to what temperatures are required to maintain the "phase-locking mechanism, for example), it has no credible empirical data to support it (a few years ago a French homeopathic "researcher" made some claims that were carefully investigated and found to result from biased selection of data, among other causes, and could not be reproduced, even by other homeopathic researchers), and does not propose a demonstrable mechanism for the asserted effects. In short, it is not a truly scientific theory. Tom Davidson Brighton, CO From owner-biophys@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Mon Jul 31 22:37:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 110) id 6F4DB17AD2; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:37:24 +0100 (BST) Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 6024) id 4F1E017AD0; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:37:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (niobium [193.62.192.41]) by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9F7C415D4 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:37:22 +0100 (BST) Received: (from news@localhost) by niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) id WAA10746 for biophys-list@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:37:22 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk: news set sender to using -f From: rcb5@msn.com ("Ron Blue") X-Newsgroups: bionet.biophysics Subject: Re: Question about the theory of coherent domains Date: 31 Jul 2000 22:37:21 +0100 Organization: BIOSCI/MRC Human Genome Mapping Project Resource Centre Lines: 95 Message-ID: <00e801bffb37$77b84000$171c183f@pavilion> X-Trace: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk 965079441 10744 193.62.192.80 (31 Jul 2000 21:37:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@net.bio.net X-Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 6024) id C4FBF17AD2; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:37:18 +0100 (BST) X-Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (unknown [207.46.181.60]) by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B82415DA for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:37:16 +0100 (BST) X-Received: from pavilion - 63.24.28.23 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 14:36:42 -0700 X-Reply-To: "Ron Blue" X-To: X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 To: biophys@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sender: owner-biophys@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is very strange. Carbon tetrachloride may have some of the properties suggested for water. When ink is mixed into it while spinning the ink will disperse. When the spin is reversed the ink will come back together - an illustration of systemic memory. The angle of the position of electrons of water may allow such a relationship suggested to exist. I know of no evidence to support this model. Every electron in the universe may be entangled with each other which is similar to the suggested relationship for water. The problem is how does the entanglement result in a local event and why would water have those properties. The closes match up with this is the fact that 98% of our bodies are water. The particular quantum harmonic of electrons in water in the microtubules of neurons may be 40 hertz if Jack Sarfatti's calculations are correct. 40 hertz is related to conscious thought in humans. I know of no reason to suspect the ocean is conscious or is storing information. The odd thing about this if you will change the word water to brass balls and oscillate them with two low frequencies coherent domains called oscillons would be observable. A hologram would be a phase locked coherent domain. Science means to know. Theory means a guess at what we know. While such a proposal may have little support in the scientific community it does not mean that it is wrong or true. Model are usefully only if we are willing to consider the absurd. Ron Blue http://turn.to/ai "tadchem" wrote in message news:x_Xg5.26122$ga2.735464@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > > "David Walters" wrote in message > news:300720001449214268%dwalters@ihug.co.nz... > > > > Is there anyone here who knows enough about physics to be able to > > usefully comment upon whether Emilio Del Giudice and Giuliano > > Preparata's theory of coherent domains has much chance of being true, > > and if it does, whether it can explain the phenomenon of the memory of > > water studied by Jacques Benveniste? > > The theory of coherent domains is an attempt to rationalize the > semi-religious belief of homeopaths in the ability of water molecules to > retain an "imprint" of a molecule that was once present. This in turn is an > elaborate rationalization of their belief that water, once exposed to a > molecule, somehow carries the chemical effectiveness with regard to "healing > properties" that the molecule has, without the damaging side effects. This > in turn is an updated version of the ancient belief in "contact" magic - the > belief that contact with something that has magical powers can somehow lead > to a transfer of those powers. Look up the word "tabu" in the encyclopedia. > > To get back to the "theory", it amounts to the assertion that water > molecules can respond to the presence of a solute molecule by forming a > "coherent domain" that somehow persists after the solute molecule is > removed, and that the "domain" is stabilized with respect to thermal motion > of the water molecules through some unspecified "phase-locking" mechanism. > > The concept has no quantitative components (there is no prediction as to > what temperatures are required to maintain the "phase-locking mechanism, for > example), it has no credible empirical data to support it (a few years ago a > French homeopathic "researcher" made some claims that were carefully > investigated and found to result from biased selection of data, among other > causes, and could not be reproduced, even by other homeopathic researchers), > and does not propose a demonstrable mechanism for the asserted effects. > > In short, it is not a truly scientific theory. > > > Tom Davidson > Brighton, CO > > > > ---