From owner-chromosomes@net.bio.net Sun Jul 05 23:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!SLIP.NET!grizzly From: grizzly@SLIP.NET (Michael Sherrell) Newsgroups: bionet.genome.chromosomes Subject: Sequencers & synthesizers Date: 6 Jul 1998 14:16:38 -0700 Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Molecular Biology Lines: 44 Sender: daemon@net.bio.net Distribution: world Message-ID: <01BDA8E8.A379F600@sf-pm17-36-100.dialup.slip.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: net.bio.net I have a number of peptide and oligo synthesizers and sequencers for = sale: PerSeptive 9050, ~$10K PerSeptive Expedite 8909, <=3D $14K ABI 394, rebuilt, warranteed, Oligonet-ready, ~$12K ABI 394, rebuilt, warranteed, non-Oligonet, ~$11K ABI 391, rebuilt, warranteed, $7K ABI 430, rebuilt, warranteed, ~$12K ABI 433, rebuilt by ABI, warranteed, < $40K ABI 373 stretch, 5-filter, Genescan, 36-lane, $29K ABI 477, <=3D $10K ABI 120, 130, $2.5K also: LC-MS: Finnigan MAT 900, <$50K Finnigan MAT 90, ~$45K MicroMass Quattro II, ~$200K =09 MALDI-TOF: HP, masses to 500 KDa, lightly used, <=3D$60K Finnigan Laser MAT 2000, <$40K Other expensive hi-tech items: Bio-Dot sub-microliter 8-channel aspirate/dispense system (typically = 96-well microplate source, glass slide, microwell plate or membrane = target), < 1 year old Molecular Devices 445SI-MAC Phosphorimagers, ~ 3 years old, currently = operating and under maintenance contact, pretty low price I also have available a few other synthesizers and sequencers and a = wide selection of HPLCs, mass specs, and other lab instruments. Please contact me to discuss any of these items, or if you have any = items you might like to sell. Michael Sherrell Grizzly Analytical (USA) 707 887 2919/fax 707 887 9834 www.grizzlyanalytical.com From owner-chromosomes@net.bio.net Mon Jul 06 23:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!news.Stanford.EDU!newsfeed.concentric.net!WCG!news2.randori.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: bionet.genome.chromosomes From: kbonelli@capecod.net (George Hammond) Subject: Are "lookalikes" genetically related?? Summary: Are "lookalikes" more related than siblings? Keywords: lookalikes X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Lines: 66 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 07:59:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.255.214.66 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 00:59:37 PDT Posted from George Hammond July 7, 1998 email: ghammond34@hotmail.com RE: A DEAD RINGER FOR RAY CATTELL This posting contains a question about genetics in Psychology, but let me begin it with an anecdote. I was sitting in an after hours restaurant not long ago here in Hyannis MA when an unusual man walked in and took a seat at the counter. What was unusual about him is that he looked EXACTLY like Raymond B. Cattell. Same eyes, hair, nose, build, cranial structure, mouth, teeth, expression.. right down to the trim of his beard.. an absolute dead ringer for R.B. Cattell at about age 55 (Cattell is presently 90). I was stunned and mystified of course as I watched and listened to him since Cattell is kind of a singular character in appearance. He didn't know about this of course since few people outside of Psychology have ever heard of Cattell or know what he looks like (Cattell belongs to the "Vincent Price" typology sector of the upper middle class British family tree if you've never seen a picture of him). This guy was however obviously a misfit unfortunately born into lifelong financial hardship; as I overheard him say that he was a welder and lived in a $75 dollar a week room in Harwich and also worked in a leather shop because he "knew how to sew". At any rate, this encounter with Ray Cattell got me to thinking about genetics and family resemblance. The chances of this guy being related to Cattell are one in a million, since he went to Harwich high school I found out... that's not the explanation of why he looks like Cattell. I mean; obviously this guy looked more like Cattell than any of Cattell's kids (Cattell has been married 5 times and has numerous kids). I mean consider how little John F. Kennedy Jr. looks like John F. Kennedy... I practically look more like JFK than he does..! So here's the genetic question: If children are 50% genetically identical to their parents; but there are people that (far) more closely resemble them than their children, does this mean that some "lookalike" stranger is MORE CLOSELY GENETICALLY RELATED to you than your own children..? Take for instance the 20 winners in an Elvis Presley look alike contest... every one of them looks more like Elvis than any of his relatives, parents or children. Does this mean that while the DNA-DNA correlation coefficient between Elvis and his parents or kids is exactly .5.. that it may actually be .6 or .7 or .8 between him and one of these "lookalikes".. I find that ABSOLUTELY AMAZING. This is amazing, for one thing, because what it means is that if you die "childless" as many people do.. that actually you have "genetic survivors" out there that are related to you EVEN MORE CLOSELY THAN ANY OF YOUR NONEXISTENT KIDS WOULD HAVE BEEN...!! Good Lord... is this true? What about all that talk about the "end of the family line" if you don't have any kids.. according to this analysis such a thing is impossible...? Now, another question. Isn't this a case of "convergent heredity". I mean, if A marries B and has a child, .5(A+B), and then marries C and has a child, .5(A+C), then if the two kids get married.. isn't it possible that they could have a .5(A+A) kid which would then be an identical CLONE of A ...!!! Isn't this essentially how you get 20 Elvis lookalikes in North America.. none of whom are related..! If anyone on this list knows ANYTHING about genetics, I would appreciate an answer to the question of whether a "lookalike" stranger can possibly be "more genetically related to you than your actual family members"; by actual DNA comparison. This question obviously has consequences for Psychology; particularly my psychology. George Hammond From owner-chromosomes@net.bio.net Thu Jul 09 23:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!news.Stanford.EDU!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news2.ais.net!jamie!ais.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux7.cso.uiuc.edu!jedge From: jennifer jeanette edge Newsgroups: bionet.genome.chromosomes Subject: Re: Are "lookalikes" genetically related?? Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 07:32:34 -0500 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ux7.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: jedge@ux7.cso.uiuc.edu To: George Hammond In-Reply-To: Hold on a second. Just because two people look alike doesn't mean that they have any genes in common. There are thousands of genes that make up appearance. When a trait is determined by many genese it is called a polygenic trait. Even if these people look identical, they don't have the same genome. There are many parts of your DNA that are completely junk, they don't do anything (I want to say around 98%). So even if these two people looked alike, there is a lot of DNA that will not be the same. Heredity - the best definition I can give you for heritability is: A percentage of phenotypic variation (physical appearance) accounted for by a variation in genotype (DNA differences). This only talks about variation, not similarity. I've never heard of the term convergent heredity; I have heard of convergent evolution which is when different species were at one time different in appearance and over time became more similar in appearance. An example would be fish and dolphins. Dolphins evolved from land walking mammals, fish have always been fish. Now, dolphins look a lot like fish. Genetically they are no closer than back when dolphin ancestors roamed the earth. I'm not exactly sure where you got those equations. Heritability can be tricky, especially when you factor in mutations (which are normal in every individual). I can't go into detail, all I can say is that if you are interested in the subject, go to a university library and check-out and intro genetics text. So, this guy in the shop may have been a dead ringer, but he was just as different genetically from the 99 year old as any other stranger, Hope this helps Jen From owner-chromosomes@net.bio.net Tue Jul 14 23:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!CEYLAN.NECKER.FR!aral From: aral@CEYLAN.NECKER.FR (aral) Newsgroups: bionet.genome.chromosomes Subject: flow-sorted chromosomes Date: 15 Jul 1998 02:41:46 -0700 Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Molecular Biology Lines: 10 Sender: daemon@net.bio.net Distribution: world Message-ID: <35AC79B5.34B2@necker.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: net.bio.net Hello netters! Does anyone out there know where I can find flow sorted indivudual human chromosomes ? thank you for your interest -- Dr B. Aral Tel: 331 40 61 56 92 Fax: 331 40 61 56 90 URA CNS 1335, Faculte de Medecine Necker Enfants-Malades 156 rue de vaugirard 75730, Paris, France E-Mail:aral@necker.fr From owner-chromosomes@net.bio.net Tue Jul 14 23:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!news.Stanford.EDU!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!nmia!usenet From: "Eric Fairfield" Newsgroups: bionet.genome.chromosomes Subject: Re: flow-sorted chromosomes Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:49:10 -0600 Organization: New Mexico Internet Access Lines: 9 Message-ID: <6oibre$qd1@hume.nmia.com> References: <35AC79B5.34B2@necker.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup43.trail.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 I would start with Norman Doggett or Larry Deaven of the Human Genome Project at Los Alamos National Laboratory (505-667-5061). They have a flow sorting facility and (I think) have a collection of flow sorted chromosomes. If they do not have them, they will point you in the right direction. Eric Fairfield Los Alamos, NM From owner-chromosomes@net.bio.net Wed Jul 15 23:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!BIOMAIL.UCSD.EDU!cgb From: cgb@BIOMAIL.UCSD.EDU (Cindy Gustafson-Brown) Newsgroups: bionet.genome.chromosomes Subject: ES cell chromosome spreads Date: 16 Jul 1998 14:47:14 -0700 Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Molecular Biology Lines: 17 Sender: daemon@net.bio.net Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: net.bio.net I am interested in doing chromosome spreads on murine embryonic stem cells to determine whether they are euploid. Can you help me with a protocol or direct me to resources that would include this info? Thank you. 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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:25:02 +0000 Organization: Stanford Lines: 8 Message-ID: <35B5DA17.2EEC@cmgm.stanford.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p124-performa.stanford.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) To: Pratima Tiwari I'd suspect major problems would ensue for the affected child. You can check yourself in several ways. You could go to chromosome 6 of the human transcript map. I think that is the vicinity of the alpha ketoacid dehydrogenase E1 beta locus (maple syrup urine disease) and myoglobin 6 and probably the Myb oncogene for starters. You could also probably see what's there by checking out the morbid map of the genome. I think each of these sites (and more) can be accessed through the main NCBI web site. From owner-chromosomes@net.bio.net Thu Jul 23 23:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!news.Stanford.EDU!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.107!chnws04.ne.mediaone.net!not-for-mail From: Christine Calder Newsgroups: bionet.genome.chromosomes Subject: inquiry for information. Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 08:34:17 -0400 Organization: MediaOne -=- Northeast Region Lines: 8 Message-ID: <35B87F49.9F18BB54@mediaone.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ceezerozerofour.ne.mediaone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; U) My name is Rena Smith and about 9 years ago I had a daughter with a Trisomy4q. Since then I have been trying to access some sort of database. If you could give me any information on how to access any sort of database that might help me could you please email me with your findings at RStrssed@aol.com. 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From owner-chromosomes@net.bio.net Mon Jul 27 23:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!agate!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!island.idirect.com!news1.bellglobal.com!198.235.216.4.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hoyun & Young Lee" Subject: Postdoctoral position available Newsgroups: bionet.genome.chromosomes Organization: Northeastern Ontario Message-ID: <01bdb9c0$abf10240$b27265cc@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Lines: 12 Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 00:40:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.101.114.178 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 20:40:14 EDT A postdoctoral position is available to study the regulation of DNA replication in the context of cell-cycle control. Studies include cloning and characterization of potential regulators at the G1/S transition in mammalian system (PNAS 94:526). I am particularly interested in hearing from a person with experience in chromatin structure, gel shift, nuclear matrices, Western, immunoprecipitation, and protein kinase assays. Interested individuals are invited to submit CV and three letters of reference to: Dr. Hoyun Lee, PhD, Assistant Professor/Career Scientist, Northeastern Ontario Regional Cancer Centre, 41 Ramsey Lake road, Sudbury, Ontario, Canada P3E 5J1. FAX: (705) 523-7326. E-mail: hoyunlee@cancercare.on.ca From owner-chromosomes@net.bio.net Tue Jul 28 23:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU!ehbresni From: ehbresni@FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU (Emery H. Bresnick) Newsgroups: bionet.genome.chromosomes Subject: POSTDOC POSITIONS (MADISON, WI) Hematopoiesis and transcriptional regulation Date: 29 Jul 1998 15:22:04 -0700 Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Molecular Biology Lines: 41 Sender: daemon@net.bio.net Distribution: world Message-ID: <199807292219.RAA33530@mail5.doit.wisc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: net.bio.net July 27, 1998 Postdoctoral Research Associate positions are currently available in my laboratory to participate in NIH-funded studies on long-range transactivation by locus control regions and signaling pathways that control hematopoiesis. Questions being investigated include: What coactivators mediate long-range transactivation by the human B-globin LCR? (Bresnick, E.H. & Tze, L. (1997) Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. U.S.A. 94, 4566-4571; Forsberg, E. C., Lam, L.T., Yang, X.-J., Nakatani, Y. & Bresnick, E.H. (1997) Biochemistry 36, 15918 15924) How is long-range transactivation modulated by hematopoietic signaling pathways? (Versaw, W.K. & Bresnick, E.H. (1998) Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. U.S.A. 95, 8756-8760). How does the Notch signaling pathway modulate hematopoiesis? (Lam, L.T. & Bresnick, E.H. (1998) J. Biol. Chem., in press). Potential applicants should submit a brief description of research interests, a curriculum vitae, and the names of three individuals for recommendations to: Emery H. Bresnick, Ph.D. Admissions Chair, Molecular and Cellular Pharmacology Program University of Wisconsin-Madison Department of Pharmacology 387 Medical Science 1300 University Avenue Madison, WI 53706 TEL. (608) 265-6446 E-Mail - ehbresni@facstaff.wisc.edu From owner-chromosomes@net.bio.net Thu Jul 30 23:00:00 1998 Path: biosci!news.stanford.edu!su-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.wli.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!209.244.253.199!newsfeed.xcom.net!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: bionet.genome.chromosomes Subject: job opportunity, CA Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 12:54:30 -0400 Organization: Biosource Lines: 24 Message-ID: <35C1F6C6.7ACA@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d63.dial-1.cmb.ma.ultra.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 31 Jul 1998 16:55:47 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Biosource is an employer paid fee service. We currently have a client seeking to hire some to do PCR type work to uncover a family of proteins important to cell division. This is a bench scientist position, but also involves managing outside collaborations. This company has not gone public , and has top notch investors and scientists behind it. We also have a client in Iceland world that needs people to lead positional cloning projects. BACs, YACs, that sort of thing. Human genome experience preferred. Interested people please Email drgonfly@ultranet.com or FAX 508 853 8772 to Marc Andelman Unless specifically requested, please allow me only to get back in touch if this or some other position looks like a dead ringer for everyone's interests. Regards, Marc Andelman