From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Sun Jun 01 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!enews.sgi.com!news.corp.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!not-for-mail From: dngo@engr.csulb.edu (Duong Ngo) Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.hiv Subject: Please help!!! Date: 2 Jun 1997 07:09:12 GMT Organization: Cal State Long Beach Lines: 3 Message-ID: <5mtrio$5hq@hatathli.csulb.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: heart.engr.csulb.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Does anyone know the formulas for alcohol dehydrogenase and hemoglobin or their molecular weights? Please let me know. I'm looking for some information about hiv protesase. Thanks in advance!!! From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Mon Jun 02 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!howland.erols.net!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer.nether.net!news.he.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: bishop5@ix.netcom.com(Richard Bishop) Newsgroups: misc.health.aids,hiv.aids.issues,alt.politics.homosexuality,bionet.molbio.hiv,talk.politics.animals Subject: Re: H-E-L-L-O ??? Anyone Home? Date: 3 Jun 1997 00:51:18 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 44 Message-ID: <5mvpq6$ltj@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com> References: <3385E95C.21D0@primenet.com> <5m7f7u$5l0@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> <33876634.1EA8@primenet.com> <5mfdt1$7vo@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> <338C7028.68EF@mail.enterprise.net> <338C8548.2AB2@primenet.com> <5mnneh$dgg$5@news.hi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: day-oh10-15.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Jun 02 5:51:18 PM PDT 1997 In <5mnneh$dgg$5@news.hi.net> wstewart@hi.net (Ward Stewart) writes: > >"W. Fred Shaw" wrote: > >>~WHALE wrote: >>~> >>~> An AIDS vaccine? We haven't had a vaccine yet >>~> that doesn't cause more harm than it prevents, > >MANY MANY -- and in particualr the smallpox vaccine which has >ELIMINATED small pox from off the face of the earth -- as simple as >that -- GONE! > And perhaps this WHALE person has never heard of the diphtheria and whooping cough epidemics that carried off many small children back in the last century? Maybe a trip to an old graveyard and the numerous small graves might enlighten him. Sue >>~> and isn't the leader of the muslim nation asking >>~> for a halt to all vaccines as he is concerned, >>~> with new evidence from Leonard Horowitz, > >WHO might this "Leader" be? From what I know of that crowd it is >highly unlikely that he is taking advice from ANY Horowitz. > >ward > > >////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > >"The Pledge of Allegiance says, '...with liberty and justice > for ALL.' What part of ALL do you not understand?" > Rep. Patricia Schroder > >\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Mon Jun 02 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!bcm.tmc.edu!news.uth.tmc.edu!thesis23 From: hphan@thesis2.med.uth.tmc.edu (Huy Phan) Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.hiv Subject: new to the bionet Date: Tue, 03 Jun 97 16:21:24 GMT Organization: The University of Texas - Houston Medical School Lines: 3 Message-ID: <5n1g4p$a5f$1@oac2.hsc.uth.tmc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: thesis23.med.uth.tmc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Hi, This is Fermin. I am new to the net. Hello to everyone. From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Mon Jun 02 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!metro!metro!unsw.edu.au!NewsWatcher!user From: billj@cfi.unsw.edu.au (Bill Jaramillo) Newsgroups: misc.health.aids,hiv.aids.issues,alt.politics.homosexuality,bionet.molbio.hiv,talk.politics.animals Subject: Re: H-E-L-L-O ??? Anyone Home? Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 13:39:58 +1000 Organization: Centre for Immunology Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <3385E95C.21D0@primenet.com> <5m7f7u$5l0@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> <33876634.1EA8@primenet.com> <5mfdt1$7vo@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> <338C7028.68EF@mail.enterprise.net> <338C8548.2AB2@primenet.com> <338DA867.29@vivanet.com> <338DAAF8.39F9@primenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.94.200.34 In article <338DAAF8.39F9@primenet.com>, FredShaw@primenet.com wrote: Once again, homophobia rears its ugly head! > Meantime, they know that HIV+ people (esp gay men) will > fight for a place in line for any drug, hormone, > vaccine, monkey transplant, vaccine or whatever (one > exception: anything that interferes with their sex > drive, keeps them out of the bathhouse circuit or > scares their tricks away is a big no-no). > > An already-infected person can have a prevention. > > You just contradicted yourself -- a prevention for what? > If you're already infected, what do you think you are > going to prevent? Infection? > > fred -- Bill. Jaramillo Centre for Immunology St Vincent's Hospital Darlinghurst, Sydney Australia. From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Tue Jun 03 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!metro!metro!unsw.edu.au!NewsWatcher!user From: billj@cfi.unsw.edu.au (Bill Jaramillo) Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.hiv Subject: Re: Colombian MD sways a country Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 14:26:38 +1000 Organization: Centre for Immunology Lines: 96 Message-ID: References: <5mkut7$7jv@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.94.200.34 In article <5mkut7$7jv@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com>, todd33@ix.netcom.com(Todd Miller) wrote: More homophobic rubbish! I'm sorry Todd, but I can't swallow the idea that HIV is a "Gay lifestyle disease" - there are too many exceptions. I wish people would stop trying to convince themselves that the victims are to blame - there is no good evidence that AIDS is completely a lifestyle disease. It should be fairly easy to do the animal model studies if you want to show that drug use causes AIDS. If you really believe this line of thought, then go and do the studies! My feeling is that you won't find the same immunologic manifestations as AIDS, though. I'm really sorry, but none of these scientists you mentioned have done any in-vivo or in-vitro studies that disprove the HIV/AIDS association - all they have done is publish commentry on peer-reviewed studies in the area. Until they publish some genuine research proving their ideas. I cannot believe them. Ciao, -Bill. > Roberto Giraldo is a Colombian trained MD who now > practices in NYC. He received his training at > the University of Antioquia, and the London School > of Hygeine and Tropical Medicine. In 1975, he > was named chairman of the Department of Microbiology > and Parasitology at the University of Antioquia. > He left this position in 1979 to open a clinic > in a remote area of Colombia so that he could > share his knowledge with poor people who could > not otherwise have gotten this kind of care. > > When "AIDS" came on the scene in the early '80's, > and its cause was announced in 1983, he was immediately > skeptical. He developed an idea that the immune > deficiency seen first in gay men was due to their > lifestyle, particularly their excessive participation > in the growing drug use epidemic. When he would come > out of the jungle to conferences, his colleagues were > anxious to hear his views on this new disease, "AIDS", > but they were all shocked when he expressed his idea > that "AIDS" was not contagious and rather caused by > cumulative poisoning of the immune system. > > His views ultimately led his colleagues to attempts to > have him committed to a mental institution, but he > left the country in 1988. Since then he has continued > sending articles supporting his views to professional > friends in Colombia, convincing many of them. Several > years ago, these colleagues began to try to resurrect > his reputation in Colombia. > > In October 1996, he went back to Colombia and held 14 > lectures in 7 cities, sparking much discussion. His > lectures were generally attended by health care people, > with 500 or so showing up for several of them. His > views have since been published in detail in several > newspapers, although this has brought the expected > angry responses from those medical professionals still > clinging to the faulty "HIV" hypothesis. > > In early October, 1997, he and some of his colleagues > will host an international meeting in Bucaramanga, > Colombia to reappraise "AIDS", particularly its causes > and treatments. Speakers will include Kary Mullis, > Eleni Papadopulos-Eleopulos, Peter Duesberg and David > Rasnick. If anyone wants further information about > this event, send me an email. > > The latest issue of The Group for the Scientific Reappraisal > of HIV/AIDS' newsletter, _Reappraising AIDS_, has an article > about Dr Giraldo. He is quoted as saying, "The government > is now very interested in our ideas. There is a very > good chance that Colombia will be one of the first > countries in the world to reconstruct its national AIDS > policies according to our ideas." He also said, "Even > though my early critique of the HIV model drew a dangerous > clamp-down in Colombia, Colombia turns out to be much > more tolerant of free scientific thought than the United > States, where Peter Duesberg and all his supporters are > still denied funding. I think South Americans and Europeans > and Africans will turn away from the HIV model before > Americans, who will find themselves increasingly isolated > on this topic in the coming years." > > -- Bill. Jaramillo Centre for Immunology St Vincent's Hospital Darlinghurst, Sydney Australia. From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Tue Jun 03 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!ukrv.de!jea From: jea@ukrv.de Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.hiv Subject: review about HIV Date: 4 Jun 1997 07:54:30 -0700 Organization: dhzb Lines: 4 Sender: daemon@net.bio.net Distribution: world Message-ID: <3395F16E.5FD1@ukrv.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: net.bio.net looking for newest review articles about HIV and AIDS. Please tell me a reference. Thanks J. Erdmann From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Tue Jun 03 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!agate!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsgate.ptd.net!news.ptd.net!not-for-mail From: "DejaVu@--}--" Newsgroups: misc.health.aids,hiv.aids.issues,alt.politics.homosexuality,bionet.molbio.hiv,talk.politics.animals Subject: Re: H-E-L-L-O ??? Anyone Home? Date: 4 Jun 1997 18:34:14 GMT Organization: ProLog - PenTeleData, Inc. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3395B3CD.6710@postoffice.ptd.net> References: <3385E95C.21D0@primenet.com> <5m7f7u$5l0@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> <33876634.1EA8@primenet.com> <5mfdt1$7vo@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> <338C7028.68EF@mail.enterprise.net> <338C8548.2AB2@primenet.com> Reply-To: betsys@postoffice, ptd.net NNTP-Posting-Host: cs3-11.haz.ptd.net NNTP-Posting-User: betsys Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) W. Fred Shaw wrote: > Don't believe me? Well, take a look at the penny-pinching > and slashing that has been done on Medicare for people who > reach retirement age. They are even redefining the cost > of living/inflation computations to shave pennies. As a nurse....and a professional....please keep fraud, waste, and abuse of the medicare system out of your disscussion....THOSE are the reasons for cuts in Medicare, not of which you stated. theBOWHUNTRESS >>>>>----------> From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Tue Jun 03 23:00:00 1997 From: remeans@fas.harvard.edu (Robert Means) Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.hiv Subject: Chimeras Date: 4 Jun 1997 23:16:27 GMT Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, Massachusetts Lines: 14 Message-ID: <5n4t0b$vt$1@news.fas.harvard.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: login4.fas.harvard.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Path: biosci!rutgers.rutgers.edu!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!news.hom.net!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed3.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!das-news2.harvard.edu!fas-news.harvard.edu!remeans Hello, I have been lurking for some time now and find the discussions sometimes interesting and sometimes bordering on grade school brawls. You would think this would keep me lurking, but I feel a need to ask people's opinions. What do people on both sides of the "AIDS hypothesis" think about the growing number of chimeric viruses that are being made between HIV and SIV. A number of genes from HIV have been put into the analogous locus of SIV and the resulting virus is able to replicate in rhesus macaques and cause an AIDS-like illness. I must admit that my reading of this newsgroup is a little spotty, so I may have missed some discussions of relevent issues in the past (like the general opinions about SIV in general). I look forward to reading people's comments. Bob From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Wed Jun 04 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!news.Stanford.EDU!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!disgorge.news.demon.net!demon!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!blackdog.demon.co.uk!john From: john@blackdog.demon.co.uk (himself) Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.hiv Subject: Re: Colombian MD sways a country Date: Thu, 05 Jun 97 00:35:03 GMT Organization: Cockamamie Computing Message-ID: <865470903snz@blackdog.demon.co.uk> References: <5mkut7$7jv@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: john@blackdog.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-User: john@blackdog.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: blackdog.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Lines: 44 billj@cfi.unsw.edu.au "Bill Jaramillo" writes: > todd33@ix.netcom.com(Todd Miller) wrote: > > More homophobic rubbish! I'm sorry Todd, but I can't swallow the idea that > HIV is a "Gay lifestyle disease" - there are too many exceptions. How on earth anyone could conclude that criticising drug abuse and inappropriate medication constitutes homophobia is beyond comprehension. There are in fact almost no exceptions to the theory that recreational or perscribed drugs (and mainly the latter) are the true cause of "Aids deaths". We have yet to hear of any credible exceptions to this observation. And after this much time, it seems unlikely that any will suddenly begin to appear. > I wish people would stop trying to convince themselves that the > victims are to blame - there is no good evidence that AIDS is > completely a lifestyle disease. This is an obviously dishonest characterisation of dissident views. Why would anyone need to propose such a distortion? There may be a clue in your employment details (Centre for Immunology, St Vincent's Hospital). I never cease to be astonished at the total lack of scruples of people engaged in milking the "Aids" myth for their personal advantage. This is, after all, not a benign or respectable exaction: it costs human lives. You need to look to your own conscience, before questioning the motives of others. It's there that you'll find your answers. John -- "Predictions that "HIV" would put at risk all sexually active people have proved completely ill-conceived. Even female prostitutes do not get Aids unless they are also heavy drug users." from _AIDS: The Failure of Contemporary Science_, by Neville Hodgkinson From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Wed Jun 04 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.scripps.edu!not-for-mail From: Rolf Marteijn Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.hiv Subject: Re: Colombian MD sways a country Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 19:31:27 -0700 Organization: The Scripps Research Institute Lines: 20 Message-ID: <5n58b1$5u6$1@hermes.scripps.edu> References: <5mkut7$7jv@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <865005396snz@blackdog.demon.co.uk> <338F8E14.1E0D@netlinkcorp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.26.254.53 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) James H. Shott wrote: > > I am aware of Peter Duesberg's views on HIV/AIDS, but have not heard > much about him lately. > Can anyone point me to current information on him and his efforts? http://www.duesberg.com/ And now who are the commercial guys, the *.edu or the *.com ?? And I'm still wondering where the 'Muslim Nation' is located. I thought I knew all the countries in the world. By the (superhigh)way, according to the pope, macro-evolution doesn't excist and the world used to be flat (until like the last few decades), does this makes just as much sense as the opinion of the leader of the Muslim Nation (whoever it may be). Prosit, Rolf From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Wed Jun 04 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!europa.clark.net!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gumby!newspump.wustl.edu!wubios.wustl.edu!wubios.wustl.edu!not-for-mail From: gmc0@ix.netcom.com (George M. Carter) Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.hiv,misc.health.aids,gay-net.aids,sci.med.aids,hiv-aids.issues,hiv.aidsweekly Subject: Alt Med/Canada Date: 5 Jun 1997 06:22:38 -0500 Organization: Free Radical Enterprises Lines: 27 Sender: sma@wubios.wustl.edu Approved: Yes: Jeff Rizzo ,Michelle Murrain Message-ID: <45083@sci.med.aids> Reply-To: gmc0@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: wubios.wustl.edu X-Auth: PGPMoose V1.1 PGP sci.med.aids iQBVAwUBM5ahe8Akkj4XV8rpAQGofgH/TkwRakFS+4FJhDVLPDrHZrHGO6b9q8i3 PoZor+Eayzfa6JDnzRc8lg3GFIq+s6E6ImUg7hHNGXf2HLEicx+U4Q== =k4Gd The Canadian government recently sponsored an overview of alternative/complementary medicine use among people with HIV there. It was prepared by David Germaise. I think this is an excellent treatise. In some ways their government is more sensible about these things, but they face similar problems in terms of access to alt meds as well as good information about them. The paper is intended to address problems facing Canada--and can serve as a blueprint for many of the problems suffered here. If the Canadians get a lot of calls requesting this document, it may help to push them into realizing this area must be addressed more vigorously--and I believe you will find the information very useful. To receive a free copy, contact Reeta Bhatia AIDS Care Treatment and Support Group Health Canada Health Promotion and Programs Branch Room 210, Tower A, 2nd Floor 11 Holland Avenue Postal Locator 3002A Ottawa, Ontario, K1A 1B4 Canada Telephone: 613-954-8636 Fax: 613-941-3526 George M. Carter From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Thu Jun 05 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!MAIL.USYD.EDU.AU!mbuhler From: mbuhler@MAIL.USYD.EDU.AU (Marc Buhler) Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.hiv Subject: Re: Colombian MD sways a country Date: 5 Jun 1997 17:24:16 -0700 Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Molecular Biology Lines: 31 Sender: daemon@net.bio.net Distribution: world Message-ID: <33974AFC.19FA@mail.usyd.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: net.bio.net himself (john@blackdog.demon.co.uk) Thu, 05 Jun 97 00:35:03 GMT wrote: >>>snip<<< > There may be a clue in your employment details (Centre for > Immunology, St Vincent's Hospital). I never cease to be > astonished at the total lack of scruples of people engaged > in milking the "Aids" myth for their personal advantage. >>>>> snip <<<<<< John-himself..... I find your comments that anyone working in areas such as Immunology are a part of the problem offensive. Your reply to Bill .. billj@cfi.unsw.edu.au "Bill Jaramillo" .. is your standard attempt to blame those of us working in clinical and research settings for a problem that wasn't here when many of us started our training or set off on our working career. Sure, I've "made money" working on AIDS.... I would much rather that AIDS never came about as my real interest is in genetics of autoimmune disease and other basic questions in Immunology. There is NO WAY you can point a finger at a person like myself (or Bill, I would suspect) for the job we are in. Even worse, as AIDS is a REAL INFECTIOUS DISEASE, you are telling people absolute rubbish with regard to treatment and prevention and you may well - for some individuals you may convince - add to the problem. Don't you dare say I do my job for "blood money", you fool. (signed) marc From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Thu Jun 05 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!news.Stanford.EDU!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!disgorge.news.demon.net!demon!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!blackdog.demon.co.uk!john From: john@blackdog.demon.co.uk (himself) Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.hiv Subject: Re: Colombian MD sways a country Date: Fri, 06 Jun 97 01:46:30 GMT Organization: Cockamamie Computing Distribution: world Message-ID: <865561590snz@blackdog.demon.co.uk> References: <33974AFC.19FA@mail.usyd.edu.au> Reply-To: john@blackdog.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-User: john@blackdog.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: blackdog.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Lines: 43 mbuhler@MAIL.USYD.EDU.AU "Marc Buhler" writes: > John-himself..... I find your comments that anyone working in areas > such as Immunology are a part of the problem offensive. You'd be well advised to develop a thicker skin before the scandal collapses in earnest. > Your reply to Bill .. billj@cfi.unsw.edu.au "Bill Jaramillo" .. is your > standard attempt to blame those of us working in clinical and research > settings for a problem that wasn't here when many of us started our > training or set off on our working career. Speaking and reading immunologists who promote the "Aids" and "HIV" myths, I am rarely certain whether I am dealing with a crook or a cretin. An honest mistake may be forgiven, but we now have over a decade of monstrous, catastrophic dishonesty and incompetence in these fields. I certainly do NOT believe that sincere, competent individuals work in the "HIV" field, and I don't think that calls for explanation. > Even worse, as AIDS is a REAL INFECTIOUS DISEASE, you are telling people > absolute rubbish with regard to treatment and prevention and you may > well - for some individuals you may convince - add to the problem. Crap. This illustrates exactly my point. You should be ashamed of yourself. > Don't you dare say I do my job for "blood money", you fool. I don't know what you do. If you promote the "Aids" superstition and get paid for it, I hope and expect you will be prosecuted. At the very least. John -- Dr. Bernard Forscher, former editor of the U.S. Proceeding of the National Academy of Sciences: "The HIV hypothesis ranks with the 'bad air' theory for malaria and the 'bacterial infection' theory of beriberi and pellagra. It is a hoax that became a scam." From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Sun Jun 08 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!news.Stanford.EDU!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.interserv.com!news From: "James Howard" Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.hiv Subject: A Little Support for Using DHEA for AIDS Date: 7 Jun 1997 15:01:27 GMT Organization: InterServ News Service Lines: 24 Message-ID: <01bc7353$99507d00$5fcfafce@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: hd16-095.hil.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 I found the following, which suggests DHEA be used for treatment of AIDS. I invite you to read my theory of AIDS and reduced DHEA at http://www.naples.net/~nfn03605 on the web. James Howard "The role of dehydroepiandrosterone in AIDS" Ann Pharmacother 31 (5): 639-642 (May 1997) Centurelli MA, Abate MA School of Pharmacy, West Virginia University, Morgantown, USA. "The use of DHEA for the treatment of AIDS shows some promise, although controlled trials have not been performed to evaluate its efficacy. Low serum concentrations of DHEA have been correlated with states of decreased immune function in humans, since concentrations are lowest in early childhood, late adulthood, and as HIV disease progresses. DHEA appears to possess immunomodulating effects, perhaps by enhancing the secretion of IL-2 from activated T cells as demonstrated in a murine model. A decline in DHEA concentrations, particularly when initially less than 2.01 micrograms/L, might also prove to be a predictor of HIV disease progression. It is also plausible that a decrease in DHEA concentrations can be used to predict a decline in overall health status. Although the role of DHEA in the treatment of AIDS has not yet been determined, the drug appears to show potential for clinical benefit that should be evaluated in large, randomized, controlled trials." From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Sun Jun 08 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!news.Stanford.EDU!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: pandoc@ix.netcom.com Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.hiv Subject: Re: A Little Support for Using DHEA for AIDS Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 18:52:49 -0700 Organization: Netcom Lines: 48 Message-ID: <339B61F1.528B@ix.netcom.com> References: <01bc7353$99507d00$5fcfafce@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: sac-ca8-13.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Jun 08 8:50:01 PM CDT 1997 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win16; I) James Howard wrote: > > I found the following, which suggests DHEA be used for treatment of AIDS. > I invite you to read my theory of AIDS and reduced DHEA Any reduction of DHEA levels in AIDS is secondary to over-expression gammaglutamyltransferase induced by HIV gp120, the primary pathogenic determinant in AIDS. Secondary signs of oxidative stress such as reduced glutathione levels, or DHEA, increased catalase, and elevation of LDH as a result of tissue damage, are all manifestations of the primary mechanism of the disease process, i.e. the secretion of a major soluble viral glycoprotein by infected cells. At the point of major t-cell decline, gp120/immune complexs are peaking. DHEA enhances thermogenesis and decreases metabolic efficiency via transhydrogenation of cytosolic NADPH into mitochondrial FADH2 with a consequent loss of energy as heat. Whether this type of demonstrable activity in the laboratory with animals can be extrapolated to human subjects with systemic viral infection with numerous opportunistic infections, and acute and chronic secondary and/or primary disorders, thus contributing to cachexia and wasting is unknown. Common organic acid antioxidants that are antiviral and antitumor are putative modulators of gammaglutamyltransferase activity. The antioxidant procoumarins are found in the bloodstream, common food plants, and in many medicinal plants, and may very well be the underlying explanation for extended survival seen in some HIV infected patients. The mechanism of action is postulated to be not only the reduction of oxidative stress by direct intervention at the mechanistic site, but also by competition with viral protein's mechanism of gaining entry into the cell. The antioxidant procoumarins are essentially non-toxic and dirt cheap. Good luck and good hunting, Charlie Charles P. McCarthy, Clinical Specialist Healthcare Consulting and Medical Research Carmichael, CA USA "Life is a membrane that reproduces." Pandoc From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Mon Jun 09 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!rutgers!gatech!howland.erols.net!worldnet.att.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.apfel.de!univ-lyon1.fr!pasteur.fr!jussieu.fr!univ-lr.fr!u-bordeaux.fr!poissons.u-bordeaux2.fr!user From: "Merel Patrick" Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.hiv Subject: viral RNA extraction Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:59:36 +0100 Organization: Blood Bank of Bordeaux Lines: 7 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: poissons.u-bordeaux2.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-mac-roman" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet Mail and News for Macintosh - 1.5b1 (45) dear colleagues, Is anyone ever tried magnetic RNA extraction of let's say HCV or other virus? The principle is to coat these beads with a specific probe then go for RNA extraction. Thanxx for your help and comment From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Mon Jun 09 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!news.Stanford.EDU!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!news.pagesat.net!wilbur.ohww.norman.ok.us!ionews.ionet.net!shf From: shf@ionet.net (Steven H. Findeiss) Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.hiv Subject: What's status of NAC/GSH trials? Date: 10 Jun 1997 16:40:01 GMT Organization: ioNET Lines: 11 Message-ID: <5nk011$acf@ionews.ionet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ion1.ionet.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] A couple of years ago it seemed NAC might be therapeutic, mainly by replenishing cysteine and thence glutathione (which has been described as "the major transport mechanism for cysteine")--both of which are *way* down in asymptomatic positives as well as AIDS pts. But then Robert Walker at NIH ran a trial that supposedly showed no benefit. Now I understand a team around San Francisco (someplace) has found a significant benefit, but I can't find any reference to this in the usual search engines. This announcement was made around April of this year. Anyone know the current thinking re: NAC and GSH? Thanks. --s From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Wed Jun 11 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!metro!metro!unsw.edu.au!NewsWatcher!user From: billj@cfi.unsw.edu.au (Bill Jaramillo) Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.hiv Subject: Re: Colombian MD sways a country Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 16:19:42 +1000 Organization: Centre for Immunology Lines: 95 Message-ID: References: <5mkut7$7jv@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <865470903snz@blackdog.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.94.200.37 X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.2.0b4 In article <865470903snz@blackdog.demon.co.uk>, john@blackdog.demon.co.uk wrote: > billj@cfi.unsw.edu.au "Bill Jaramillo" writes: > > > todd33@ix.netcom.com(Todd Miller) wrote: > > > > More homophobic rubbish! I'm sorry Todd, but I can't swallow the idea that > > HIV is a "Gay lifestyle disease" - there are too many exceptions. > > How on earth anyone could conclude that criticising drug > abuse and inappropriate medication constitutes homophobia > is beyond comprehension. > Well, in the past, people have used the "lifestyle" hypothesis of AIDS to criticise the gay community - the comments made by the Colombian doctor in question in the original post sounded suspiciously like this form of gay-bashing to me. > There are in fact almost no exceptions to the theory that > recreational or perscribed drugs (and mainly the latter) > are the true cause of "Aids deaths". We have yet to hear > of any credible exceptions to this observation. And after > this much time, it seems unlikely that any will suddenly > begin to appear. Well, what about sexual partners of HIV+ people who do not use drugs, recreational drug users who use infrequently, children born to HIV+ women, haemophiliacs, blood transfusion recipients, laboratory workers exposed by needle-stick injury. Let alone the fact that the AIDS epidemic in Africa and Asia is characterised by heterosexual transmission with no associated drug use. And I don't buy the argument that AZT causes the immunosupression we see in these patients. A diagnosis of HIV infection is usually made when a person has presented with an unusual opportunistic infection i.e. they are already immunosuppressed - before they are put on AZT or other drugs. What would you have told a person who presented with Pneumocystis pneumonia, had no CD4 cells, and who's only risk factor is that they had a blood transfusion in the last ten years? "I'm sorry, but your immunosuppression is due to the drugs which you don't take, or due to the drugs we are about to give you"? As far as I can see there is no experimental evidence to support the notion that drug use can cause the type of immunosupression we see in AIDS. No-one has put forward a reasonable mechanism, either. > > > I wish people would stop trying to convince themselves that the > > victims are to blame - there is no good evidence that AIDS is > > completely a lifestyle disease. > > This is an obviously dishonest characterisation of dissident > views. Why would anyone need to propose such a distortion? > There may be a clue in your employment details (Centre for > Immunology, St Vincent's Hospital). I never cease to be > astonished at the total lack of scruples of people engaged > in milking the "Aids" myth for their personal advantage. > This is, after all, not a benign or respectable exaction: it > costs human lives. > I'm really sorry you see it this way. I did not set out to deceive anyone. I'm just putting forward my opinion and asking what I think are reasonable questions > You need to look to your own conscience, before questioning > the motives of others. It's there that you'll find your > answers. > > John > -- > "Predictions that "HIV" would put at risk all sexually active people > have proved completely ill-conceived. Because of effective education campaigns? Even female prostitutes do not > get Aids unless they are also heavy drug users." Most prostitutes now insist on the use of condoms. I think you'll find the incidence of other STD's has also decreased in prostitutes as a consequence of AIDS education programs. The incidence of blood-borne viruses such as HIV, Hepatitis B, Hepatitis C will still be high in prostitutes who are also injecting drug users, though. The incidence of HIV/AIDS in African/Asian prostitutes, however is still high. A recent study in Southern India noted that of all AIDS deaths in men from 1987-1992, 97% occurred in men who had visited prostitutes and had no other risk factors. > from _AIDS: The Failure of Contemporary Science_, > by Neville Hodgkinson From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Wed Jun 11 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nih.gov!!user From: "Andy Catanzaro" Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.hiv Subject: Re: Colombian MD sways a country Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 20:18:34 -0500 Organization: NIH/NIAID/LIR Lines: 2 Distribution: world Message-ID: <5nnej8$bof$1@light.nih.gov> References: <33974AFC.19FA@mail.usyd.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: db0161.niaid.nih.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet Mail & News for Macintosh - 3.0 Deusberg is a quack who has not done HIV research, yet feels compelled to comment on it vociferously. From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Thu Jun 12 23:00:00 1997 From: jlaurits@capecod.net (John Lauritsen) Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.hiv Subject: AIDS Criticism Resources - June 1997 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 97 14:29:56 GMT Lines: 188 Message-ID: <5nrlh8$guu@news0-alterdial.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: well75.capecod.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #2 Path: biosci!rutgers!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!news.hom.net!nntp.mid-ga.com!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uunet!John Lauritsen [Note new address of the expanded and updated Rethinking AIDS site.] AIDS CRITICISM RESOURCES: WEB SITES, BOOKS AND ARTICLES Jone 1997 Compiled by John Lauritsen jlaurits@capecod.net There is great disparity between the political and the scientific strength of the HIV-Causes-AIDS hypothesis. Politically it prevails, through censorship revolving around the interests of the multi-billion dollar AIDS Industry. But scientifically it was refuted years ago. A rapidly growing number of scientists are now convinced that the HIV-Causes-AIDS hypothesis is wrong, and that it was bizarre and foolish from the very beginning. The obvious parallel is Lysenkoism. For many years, no one in the Soviet Union publicly expressed disbelief in Trofim Denisovich Lysenko's crackpot theories that acquired characteristics can be inherited. No one dared mention the principles of modern genetics, for to have done so would have meant risking one's career and even one's life. For those who are open-minded, I have prepared a brief list of AIDS-dissident resources. My objective was to include only the most important and most readily available. Peter Duesberg's new book from Regnery, INVENTING THE AIDS VIRUS, provides devastating refutations of the HIV-AIDS hypothesis and the rest of the orthodox AIDS paradigm. It also provides a brilliant and far-reaching critique of medical science over the past several centuries. INFECTIOUS AIDS: HAVE WE BEEN MISLED? (1996) presents all of the major AIDS articles of Peter Duesberg -- articles which were previously available only in scientific journals. These articles are essential reading for an understanding of the AIDS Phenomenon; someday they will be required reading in History of Science courses. Just published, THE AIDS CULT: ESSAYS ON THE GAY HEALTH CRISIS, is the first critical AIDS book to concentrate on psychological and cultural issues -- the ways religious intolerance, group fantasies, toxic drugs, pharmaceutical propaganda, deadly counselling, and a Cult of Doom have acted together to destroy the health of gay men. With varied backgrounds and different vantage points, the eight contributors challenge us to reexamine our assumptions about AIDS and terminate the mass sacrificial ritual we have been enacting. Neville Hodgkinson's new book, AIDS: THE FAILURE OF CONTEMPORARY SCIENCE, is the best AIDS history to date. It presents comprehensive and objective analyses of all sides in the various controversies -- "dissidents" as well as defenders of the prevailing orthodoxies. Beginning in 1985 Hodgkinson wrote on AIDS for the Sunday Times (London) as their medical correspondent, and then later as their science correspondent. My own 480-page book, THE AIDS WAR, exposes the scientific fraud that was committed when AZT was approved for marketing by the FDA. It relates how "AIDS activists", government officials, and "scientists" all colluded with the pharmaceutical industry to promote toxic and worthless drugs. Key chapters explain the "Risk-AIDS hypothesis" and put forward an original program for recovery from "AIDS". The article by Eleni Papadopulos-Eleopulos et al., "Is a Western Blot Proof of HIV Infection?", provides a comprehensive critique of the commonly used "HIV-antibody" tests, the Elisa and the Western Blot. Neither of these tests has ever been validated against the only meaningful standard, actual isolation of the retrovirus HIV. In addition to being highly unreliable, these tests react to many things that have nothing whatever to do with HIV, such as malaria, leprosy, influenza, and many different drugs. Nevertheless, these tests are the basis for an assumption of "HIV infection" and for treatment with highly toxic nucleoside analogue drugs (AZT, ddI, ddC, d4T, etc.) -- drugs which reliably cause the death of the patient, even though he might be perfectly healthy prior to treatment. For an excellent introduction to AIDS criticism read Christine Maggiore's WHAT IF EVERYTHING YOU THOUGHT YOU KNEW ABOUT AIDS WAS WRONG? CONTINUUM Magazine has been publishing critical AIDS articles since 1992. 172 Foundling Court, Brunswick Centre, London WC1N 1QE, England. Tel.: [+44] (01) 171 713-7071. The Group for the Scientific Reappraisal of the HIV-AIDS Hypothesis, founded by Prof. Charles A. Thomas, Jr., now has a membership of several hundred scientists and other professionals: 7514 Girard Ave., #1-331, La Jolla, CA 92037. Telephone: (619) 272-1621. ====================================================== Several Internet web sites contain critical AIDS articles: The Rethinking AIDS site is based in Amsterdam: http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/ The Duesberg site contains his major articles: http://www.duesberg.com The oldest and largest web site is that of the AIDS Information Bulletin Board System (AIB): http://aidsinfobbs.org And the Sumeria site, "exploring alternative ideas in health, science, and spirituality", features AIDS-dissident material: http://www.livelinks.com/sumeria/ ====================================================== Peter H. Duesberg (editor). AIDS; VIRUS OR DRUG INDUCED? (book). Articles by E. Papadopulos-Eleopulos et al., P.H. Duesberg, V.L. Koliadin, M. Craddock, M.D. Zaretsky, D.T. Chiu, R.S. Root-Bernstein, H.W. Haverkos, D.P. Drotman, B.J. Ellison, A.B. Downey, G.T. Stewart, K.B. Mullis, S. Harris, S. Lang, N. Hodgkinson, P. Johnson, T. Bethell, J. Lauritsen, and C. Farber. Kluwer Academics Press, Dordrecht, The Netherlands (1996). For orders in North and South America: Tel: 1 617 871 6600 Fax: 1 617 871 6528 Email: kluwer@wkap.com For orders elsewhere: Tel: +31 78 639 23 92 Fax: +31 78 654 64 74 Email: services@wkap.nl Peter H. Duesberg. INFECTIOUS AIDS: HAVE WE BEEN MISLED? (book). A collection of thirteen articles originally published in scientific journals. North Atlantic Books (1996) P.O. Box 12327 Berkeley, CA 94712 For orders: 1 800 337-2665 Peter H. Duesberg and Bryan J. Ellison. INVENTING THE AIDS VIRUS (book). Regnery Publishing, Inc. (1996) P.O. Box 39 Federalsburg, MD 21632-0039 For orders: 1 800 955-5493 Neville Hodgkinson. AIDS: THE FAILURE OF CONTEMPORARY SCIENCE (book). Fourth Estate (1996). 6 Salem Road London W2 4BU England. [+44] (0171) 727-8995 fax: [+44] (0171) 792-3176 Can be ordered from Book Services by Post Ltd: via e-mail: bookshop@enterprise.net via fax: [+44] 1624 670923 via Internet web site: www.bookpost.co.uk (secure server) John Lauritsen. THE AIDS WAR: PROPAGANDA, PROFITEERING AND GENOCIDE FROM THE MEDICAL-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX (book). $20 postpaid. Asklepios (1993). Box 1902, Provincetown, MA 02657-0245. For further information contact jlaurits@capecod.net or call 1 (508) 487-8369. John Lauritsen and Ian Young (editors). THE AIDS CULT: ESSAYS ON THE GAY HEALTH CRISIS (book). Asklepios (1997). Box 1902, Provincetown, MA 02657-0245. For further information contact jlaurits@capecod.net or call 1 (508) 487-8369. Christine Maggiore. WHAT IF EVERYTHING YOU THOUGHT YOU KNEW ABOUT AIDS WAS WRONG? (41+ page booklet). Health Education AIDS Liaison (HEAL), Los Angeles Chapter. 11684 Ventura Blvd., Studio City, CA 91604. Eleni Papadopulos-Eleopulos, Valendar F. Turner and John M. Papadimitriou. "Is a Positive Western Blot Proof of HIV Infection?". BIO/TECHNOLOGY, June 1993, pp. 696-707. Charles A. Thomas Jr., Kary B. Mullis, and Phillip E. Johnson. "What Causes AIDS: It's an Open Question". REASON, June 1994. (The December 1994 issue of REASON has 10 pages devoted to correspondence and authors' replies concerning the June article.) From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Thu Jun 12 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!agate!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.exodus.net!newsout1.alt.net!news1.alt.net!news.u.washington.edu!fae2xx.biostat.washington.edu!user From: marnix@u.washington.edu (Marnix L. Bosch) Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.hiv Subject: Re: AIDS Criticism Resources - June 1997 Date: 13 Jun 1997 19:02:40 GMT Organization: UW Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <5nrlh8$guu@news0-alterdial.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: fae2xx.biostat.washington.edu In article <5nrlh8$guu@news0-alterdial.uu.net>, jlaurits@capecod.net (John Lauritsen) wrote: > [Note new address of the expanded and updated Rethinking AIDS site.] > > AIDS CRITICISM RESOURCES: > WEB SITES, BOOKS AND ARTICLES > Jone 1997 > > Compiled by John Lauritsen > jlaurits@capecod.net > > > There is great disparity between the political and the > scientific strength of the HIV-Causes-AIDS hypothesis. > Politically it prevails, through censorship revolving around the > interests of the multi-billion dollar AIDS Industry. But > scientifically it was refuted years ago. A rapidly growing > number of scientists are now convinced that the HIV-Causes-AIDS > hypothesis is wrong, and that it was bizarre and foolish from > the very beginning. How interesting that something that was scientifically refuted years ago has so much support in the scientific journals. You are dead wrong of course, and kindly asked to take your unsupported nonsense elsewhere. Marnix Bosch From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Fri Jun 13 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!europa.clark.net!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ix.netcom.com!news From: gmc0@ix.netcom.com (George M. Carter) Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.hiv,misc.health.aids Subject: Re: Colombian MD sways a country Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 00:27:34 GMT Organization: Free Radical Enterprises Lines: 31 Message-ID: <5nsogr$gmo@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com> References: <5mkut7$7jv@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <865470903snz@blackdog.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: gmc0@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: nyc-ny28-21.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Jun 13 5:27:07 PM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 john@blackdog.demon.co.uk (himself) wrote: >billj@cfi.unsw.edu.au "Bill Jaramillo" writes: >> todd33@ix.netcom.com(Todd Miller) wrote: >> >> More homophobic rubbish! I'm sorry Todd, but I can't swallow the idea that >> HIV is a "Gay lifestyle disease" - there are too many exceptions. >How on earth anyone could conclude that criticising drug >abuse and inappropriate medication constitutes homophobia >is beyond comprehension. Because a lot of people develop AIDS WITHOUT doing ANY drugs whatsoever. Neither recreational nor therapeutic. The data are there that show this. If you knew people with AIDS, you would know this is true. In contrast, many, many people do recreational drugs and do not develop AIDS or anything like it. Cancer? Overdoses? Other diseases or problems (e.g., endocarditis from dirty needles)? Yes. Cigarettes cause cancer. Heroin overdoses kill. Cocaine induces psychosis. In all who use them? No. None of these things are AIDS. What is completely erroneous is the notion that everyone who has AIDS has done either recreational or therapeutic drugs. This is demonstrably false. George M. Carter From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Fri Jun 13 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!agate!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!blackdog.demon.co.uk.snip!john From: john@blackdog.demon.co.uk.snip (himself) Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.hiv Subject: Re: Colombian MD sways a country Date: Sat, 14 Jun 97 21:37:07 GMT Organization: Cockamamie Computing Message-ID: <866324227snz@blackdog.demon.co.uk.snip> References: <5mkut7$7jv@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <865470903snz@blackdog.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: john@blackdog.demon.co.uk.snip X-Mail2News-User: john@blackdog.demon.co.uk.snip X-Mail2News-Path: blackdog.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Lines: 110 billj@cfi.unsw.edu.au "Bill Jaramillo" writes: > Well, what about sexual partners of HIV+ people who do not use drugs, "Aids deaths" in these cases are known to be the result of iatrogenic poisoning (usually with AZT). This is in fact the *only* cause of "Aids deaths" outside of the US (where there were a few clusters of early cases resulting from drug use, particularly "poppers", according to observers at the time and since). > recreational drug users who use infrequently, These people do not get "Aids", unless they consume prescribed poisons, dishonestly marketed as "anti-HIV" nostrums. > children born to HIV+ women, Again, healthy unless "medicated", unless the mother was a serious drug user herself. This has been underlined again recently in the UK, where expectant mothers under medical pressure to consume poisonous "anti-HIV" drugs refuse them, and bear perfectly healthy children, if they have obvious reason not to. The term "HIV positive" is not one a real scientist would use, as it has no validity. > haemophiliacs, blood transfusion recipients, Serious health conditions already extant more than explain any non-iatrogenic illness. And, if not medicated with useless poisons, hemophiliacs simply do not develop "Aids". > laboratory workers exposed by needle-stick injury. Is there a single case of an "Aids death" from such a cause? Or, to be realistic, can you locate a hundred? There should be *thousands* by now, in the US alone. Their absence exposes the "infectious Aids virus" nonsense, all on its own. There is quite clearly no such thing. > Let alone the fact that the AIDS epidemic in Africa > and Asia is characterised by heterosexual transmission with > no associated drug use. There is, of course, no "Aids" epidemic in Africa. It is hard to fathom the thinking process of someone who caims to have accepted the manifestly derelist "African Aids" myth without demurr, but also claims to be a scientist. > And I don't buy the argument that AZT causes the immunosupression > we see in these patients. A diagnosis of HIV infection is usually > made when a person has presented with an unusual opportunistic > infection i.e. they are already immunosuppressed - before they > are put on AZT or other drugs. Absolute rubbish. Where *are* you getting this nonsense from? > What would you have told a person who presented with Pneumocystis > pneumonia, had no CD4 cells, and who's only risk factor is that they had a > blood transfusion in the last ten years? "I'm sorry, but your > immunosuppression is due to the drugs which you don't take, or due to the > drugs we are about to give you"? The relationship between CD4 cells and immunity is not understood, so I would not be entitled to make any observation about that. I would suggest that they have their pneumonia treated properly (not with "HIV" blinkers on), and they they take care to avoid "Aids" deluded physicians, who will do far more harm than good. Not only would they fail to provide appropriate treatment, but they might try to coerce the voctim into consuming outrageously dangerous substances, under completely false pretences, and claim the result was "Aids". Unless prevented, such physicians cause deaths. Here in the UK, I am glad to say, realisation of this porcess has led to the end of the superstition. > As far as I can see there is no experimental evidence to support the > notion that drug use can cause the type of immunosupression we see in > AIDS. No-one has put forward a reasonable mechanism, either. There is plenty of evidence, all available in dissident websites and publications. Trying to hide "Aids by prescription" by only referring to recreational drugs is a cheap trick, but it never works. In those places where prescribed drigs was the only cause of "Aids deaths" (everywhere outside the US), such tactics look like desperation. > I'm really sorry you see it this way. I did not set out to deceive anyone. > I'm just putting forward my opinion and asking what I think are reasonable > questions Well now I wonder about that. The true sitiuation is SO obvious to anyone who bothers to think about it that these claims of sincere adherence to the spectacularly failed "HIV" delusion sound hollow, to put it mildly. I don't believe you are really that easily fooled. I have the worst taste in my mouth when I listen to so-called "HIV scientists". John -- None of the African AIDS diseases is new. Many common Third World diseases are confused with AIDS even if they are not part of its official definition. The WHO definition for African AIDS includes "slim disease," a composite of weight loss, diarrhoea, and fever, plus such conditions as persistent coughing, skin problems, swollen lymph nodes and some opportunistic infections like tuberculosis. This list reads like a summary of indigenous African health problems. from "Inventing the AIDS Virus" by Prof. Duesberg From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Fri Jun 13 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!agate!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news.he.net!news2.fibr.net!news1.fibr.net!news.fibr.net!news From: Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.hiv Subject: http://www.planetfun.com/videosex.htm Date: 14 Jun 1997 05:49:35 GMT Lines: 3 Message-ID: <5ntbdf$eb3@nimitz.fibr.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: port1-6.lconn.com http://www.planetfun.com/videosex.htm Adults Only From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Sun Jun 15 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!agate!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: pandoc@ix.netcom.com Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.hiv Subject: Re: AIDS Criticism Resources - June 1997 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 17:27:05 -0700 Organization: Netcom Lines: 178 Message-ID: <33A48858.2B9C@ix.netcom.com> References: <5nrlh8$guu@news0-alterdial.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: sac-ca8-26.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Jun 15 7:24:18 PM CDT 1997 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win16; I) John Lauritsen wrote: > > [Note new address of the expanded and updated Rethinking AIDS site.] Expanded and updated Rethinking? ROFLOL What a clever author. What next? New and improved? Try SOS, or same o same o, or some more intimate colloquialism like "fuck you, again". But seriously, John. You do cut and paste well. My hats off to you. You even use the same brackets. I like consistency. Especially when it's crap. I don't have to actually respond to any science of substance like when Sir John of Virol Doggydom spouts new corollaries to Dante's infernal rules of animaculology and viralistic discernments as in: Posted elsewhere: Dave Thomson (no spam) wrote: > > john@blackdog.demon.co.uk.snip (himself) wrote: > > >marnix@u.washington.edu "Marnix L. Bosch" writes: > > >> Not true. Even though CD4 counts fluctuate AIDS diagnoses are (in part) > >> based on SUSTAINED low CD4 counts. Rehashed in this ng over and over > >> again. > > >Nothing is understood about the relationship between cd4 counts > >and health. Those who claim otherwise are lying. > > Please see Lang, Perkins, Anderson, et al., "Patterns of T Lymphocyte > > Changes with Human Immunodeficiency Virus Infection: from > seroconversion to the Development of AIDS", Journal of Acquired > Immune Deficiency Syndromes 2:63-69, 1989 which observed an > average 160 cells/uL/year decline in CD4+ T-cells during the 18-months > prior to an AIDS diagnosis. > > >Using such meaningless indicators as guides to health, or more > >irresponsibly as triggers for "treatment" have been a major > >error. Their value in assessing "HIV and Aids" cases has been > >totally demolished by research. > > Any references for your latest spewage? Don't hold your breath, Dave. HIV induces progressive dysfunction followed by numerical depletion of CD4+ lymphocytes. The following workers showed that antiretroviral treatment of patients with CD4+ counts below 300 microliter reduced neither viral replication nor the formation of autoantibodies or gp120-containing immune-complexes. Thank God for protease inhibition while we find a way to block gp120 and viral entry. It was also shown that Patients with gp120-containing immune complexes on CD4+ blood lymphocytes demonstrated strongly decreased CD4+ (25+/-35/microliters, P<0.0001) and CD8+ (213+/-212/microliters, P<0.006) lymphocyte counts as well as strongly impaired T lymphocyte responses in vitro upon stimulation with PHA (RR 0.2+/-0.1, P<0.02), PWM (RR 0.2+/_0.2, P=0.05), anti-CD3 MoAb(RR 0.1+/-0.1, P<0.04), and allogeneic stimulator cells (RR 0.2+/-0.1, P<0.02). Charles P. McCarthy, Clinical Specialist Healthcare Consulting and Medical Research Carmichael, CA USA "Life is a membrane that reproduces." Pandoc *********************************************************** Viral load in the serum of HIV-infected hemophilia patients is associated with autoantibodies and gp120-containing immune complexes on CD4+ lymphocytes. Volker D; Susal C; Weimer R; Zipperle S; Kropelin M; Zimmermann R; Huth-Kuhne A; Opelz G Department of Transplantation-Immunology, Institute of Immunology, University of Heidelberg, Heidelberg, Germany. Fax: 06221-56-4200. Int Conf AIDS, 1996 Jul 7-12, 11:2, 267 (abstract no. Th.A.4081) Objective: We reported previously that the sequential occurrence of lgM, lgG and gp120-immunoglobulin-complement complexes on CD4+ lymphocytes is associated with increasing numerical and functional defects of CD4+ lymphocytes in the blood. In this study we investigated whether the induction of antilymphocyte autoantibodies and immune-complexes is associated with the replication of HIV, that is, the viral load in the serum of the patients. Methods: Viral HIV-1 RNA was measured in the sera of 46 HIV+ hemophilia patients using the HIV-1 NASBA-kit and correlated with the lgM/lgG/gp 120 load of circulating CD4+ lymphocytes, CD4 and CD8+ cell counts, serum neopterin levels and in-vitro T-cell responses to mitogens. Results: The number of HIV-1 RNA copies in 100 microliter patient serum was significantly associated with the serum neopterin level (Spearman rank correlation: r=0.38; p=0.009), an impaired ConA (r=-0.14; p=0.01) and PHA stimulation (r=-0.12; p=0.07), and gp120 on CD4+ lymphocytes (p=0.05). Moreover, the immune-complex patterns on CD4+ lymphocytes were significantly associated with CD4+ cell counts and the numbers of viral copies in the serum (Table). Whereas the CD4+ counts were significantly decreased in patients with autoantibodies and immune-complexes, the viral load was higher in patients with autoantibodies or gp 120-containingimmune-complexes on CD4+ lymphocytes. (table: see text) Conclusions: These data suggest that viral replication is associated with the induction of autoantibodies and gp120-containing immune-complexes. Antiretroviral treatment of patients with CD4+ counts below 300microliter reduced neither viral replication nor the formation of autoantibodies orgp120-containing immune-complexes. Association of T cell dysfunction with the presence of IgG autoantibodies on CD4+ lymphocytes in haemophilia patients; results of a 10-year study. Daniel V; Süsal C; Weimer R; Zipperle S; Kröpelin M; Zimmermann R; Huth-Kühne A; Opelz G Department of Transplantation Immunology, Institute of Immunology, University of Heidelberg, Germany. Clin Exp Immunol, 1996 Apr, 104:1, 4-10 HIV induces progressive dysfunction followed by numerical depletion of CD4+ lymphocytes. IgG autoantibodies and gp 120- containing immune complexes have been implicated in the pathogenesis of AIDS. We carried out a longitudinal study in 19 HIV- and 72 HIV+ haemophilia patients over a 10-year period in order to investigate a possible relationship between the occurrence of autoantibodies and CD4+ lymphocyte changes. IgM, IgG, C3d and gp120 on the surface of CD4+ lymphocytes were determined in heparinized whole blood with flow cytometry and double-fluorescence. The in vitro response of autoantibody- coated cells was tested in cell cultures with concanavalin A (Con A), phytohaemagglutinin (PHA), pokeweed mitogen (PWM) anti- CD3 MoAb or pooled allogeneic stimulator cells (MLC). After a 10-year follow up, 12 of 71 HIV+ and 16 of 19 HIV- haemophilia patients showed no evidence of immunoglobulins on circulating CD4+ lymphocytes. HIV- haemophilia patients without autoantibodies had CD4+ and CD8+ cell counts in the normal range (957+/-642/microliters and 636+/-405/microliters) and normal T cell responses in vitro (mean relative response (RR) > or = 0.7). In contrast, HIV+ haemophilia patients showed immunological abnormalities which were associated with the autoantibody and immune complex load of CD4+ blood lymphocytes. HIV+ patients without autoantibodies had a mean CD4+ lymphocyte count of 372+/-274/microliter, a mean CD8+ lymphocyte count of 737+/-435 microliter, and normal T lymphocyte stimulation in vitro (mean RR > or = 0.7). HIV+ patients with complement-fixing IgM on CD4+ lymphocytes had somewhat lower CD4+ (255+/-246/microliters, P = NS) and CD8+ (706 +/- 468/microliters, P = NS) lymphocyte numbers, and also normal T lymphocyte stimulation (mean RR > or = 0.7) in vitro. However, patients with complement- fixing IgG autoantibodies showed a strong decrease of CD4+ (150 +/- 146/microliters, P< 0.02) and CD8+ (360 +/- 300 microliters, (P<0.02) lymphocytes and impaired CD4+ lymphocyte stimulation in vitro with a mean RR of 0.5+/-0.5 for Con A (P= NS), 0.7 +/- 0.8 for PHA (P<0.03, 0.4 +/- 0.4 for PWM (P = NS), 0.8 +/- 1.2 for anti-CD3 MoAb (P<0.04) and 0.7 +/- 1.0 for pooled allogeneic stimulator cells (P=0.05). Patients with gp120-containing immune complexes on CD4+ blood lymphocytes demonstrated strongly decreased CD4+ (25+/-35/microliters, P<0.0001) and CD8+ (213+/-212/microliters, P<0.006) lymphocyte counts as well as strongly impaired T lymphocyte responses in vitro upon stimulation with PHA (RR 0.2+/-0.1, P<0.02), PWM (RR 0.2+/_0.2, P=0.05), anti-CD3 MoAb(RR 0.1+/-0.1, P<0.04), and allogeneic stimulator cells (RR 0.2+/-0.1, P<0.02). These data led us to speculate that autoantibody formation against CD4+ lymphocytes is an important mechanism in the pathogenesis of AIDS. We hypothesize that autoantibodies against circulating CD4+ lymphocytes inhibit CD4+ cell function, especially the release of cytokines, and induce CD4+ cell depletion. The reduction and dysfunction of CD4+ lymphocytes may be responsible for the CD8+ cell depletion observed in HIV+ patients. From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Sun Jun 15 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!agate!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news.he.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!205.229.0.37!news.pernet.net!not-for-mail From: domag1@mail.pernet.net (Joe Lippeatt) Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.hiv Subject: HIV and hearing Loss Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:52:24 GMT Organization: PERnet Communications, Inc. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <5o3cuv$h5d$1@news.pernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin0156.pernet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Hello, I am doing a research paper on HIV and hearing loss. So far, I haven't found any resources on the Internet regarding the possiblity of HIV causing hearing loss. Are there any specific sites I should look at, or possibly any papers available on the internet which would help in my research? Thanks in advance! Marty Baugh - mbaugh@mail.pernet.net From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Sun Jun 15 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!agate!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!lucy.swin.edu.au!news.rmit.EDU.AU!news.unimelb.edu.au!aldridge From: aldridge@*NOSPAM*.mbcmr.unimelb.edu.au (David Aldridge) Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.hiv Subject: CD4+ cell line Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 10:38:05 +1100 Organization: MBCMR Lines: 12 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.0.141.98 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.3.4 Does anyone know of an established (transformed) CD4+ T-Cell line derived from M. nemestrina ? -- David Aldridge ____________________________________________________________________, Research Officer, |Webmaster and Listmom, | Macfarlane Burnet Centre |Australian National Centre in HIV | for Medical Research. |Virology Research. | http://www.mbcmr.unimelb.edu.au |http://nc.mbcmr.unimelb.edu.au | --------------------------------------------------------------------* From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Tue Jun 17 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!daresbury!server5.netnews.ja.net!server6.netnews.ja.net!server1.netnews.ja.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!newsfeed.nacamar.de!howland.erols.net!feeder.chicago.cic.net!news.inc.net!news.itis.com!pkuzmic From: pkuzmic@biokin.com (Petr Kuzmic) Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.hiv Subject: test (do not read) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 06:06:12 GMT Organization: BioKin Consulting Lines: 6 Sender: reguser@w40.itis.com Message-ID: <5o7tht$ha0$1@bill.itis.com> Reply-To: pkuzmic@biokin.com NNTP-Posting-Host: w40.itis.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 test ------------------------------------------------------- Petr Kuzmic, Ph.D. * http://www.biokin.com B i o K i n, Ltd. * P.O. 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From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Tue Jun 17 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!agate!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!newsfeeds.sol.net!europa.clark.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!not-for-mail From: James Howard Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.hiv Subject: Protease Inhibitors, Diabetes, and DHEA Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 16:45:14 -0500 Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 24 Message-ID: <33A856EA.C7@sprynet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dd60-129.compuserve.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I) Protease Inhibitors, Diabetes, and DHEA James Howard I have posted my hypothesis, 09/08/96, that protease inhibitors work by reducing production of DHEA, as "Ritonavir works by reducing DHEA." Since DHEA is the major steroid hormone produced from cholesterol, my hypothesis was supported by some anecdotal posts that cholesterol levels increase, upon using protease inhibitors. (To date, I have not found any reports regarding protease inhibitor intake for AIDS and cholesterol levels.) Since my work suggests that DHEA exerts its action, in transcription of DNA, along with proteins, I suggest that diabetes of old age results from loss of sufficient DHEA to work with insulin. (DHEA naturally begins to decline after age 25 years.) So, in some people, who are predisposed to disturbances in insulin function, loss of DHEA will lead to this type of diabetes in old age. Consider this: Am. J. Med. Sci. 306 (5): 320-324 (Nov., 1993) "DHEA improved insulin sensitivity and reduced fasting and oral glucose tolerance test glucose levels and ameliorated the diabetic state." Now, if protease inhibitors reduce DHEA, then some individuals should exhibit this type of insulin problem. I suggest this is why some individuals, who take protease inhibitors are developing, diabetes. James Howard From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Tue Jun 17 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!agate!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!HSNX.wco.com!hub.org!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: todd33@ix.netcom.com(Todd Miller) Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.hiv Subject: Re: HIV and hearing Loss Date: 18 Jun 1997 21:12:27 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 24 Message-ID: <5o9ivr$1ci@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> References: <5o3cuv$h5d$1@news.pernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: mia-fl7-06.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Jun 18 4:12:27 PM CDT 1997 In <5o3cuv$h5d$1@news.pernet.net> domag1@mail.pernet.net (Joe Lippeatt) writes: > >Hello, > >I am doing a research paper on HIV and hearing loss. So far, I >haven't found any resources on the Internet regarding the possiblity >of HIV causing hearing loss. The hypothesis is that "HIV" causes immune suppression. I'm not sure how you would imagine that hearing loss could occur because of immune suppression (although the CDC imagines that wasting and dementia are the result of immune suppression, presumbably to keep the "AIDS" count up). There is a tremendous tendency to blame any health event in an "HIV+" person as being due to "HIV", but very often the connection is not clear, and may not even be there at all. Todd Miller, PhD From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Thu Jun 19 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!webtv.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!207.22.81.9!europa.clark.net!howland.erols.net!spring.edu.tw!news.nctu.edu.tw!news.sinica!not-for-mail From: "Steve S.-L. Chen" Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.hiv Subject: Research Assistant position available Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 15:37:05 +0800 Organization: Computing Center, Academia Sinica Lines: 34 Message-ID: <33AA3321.70E0@ibms.sinica.edu.tw> Reply-To: schen@ibms.sinica.edu.tw NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.109.40.41 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="Ra.dos" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Ra.dos" Research Assistant position Research Interests: Our research interests center on the posttranslational regulation of viral membrane envelope glycoproteins and on protein-protein interactions underlying viral pathogenesis. Currently we are focusing on the envelope (Env) glycoprotein of HIV-1. Using molecular biology techniques coupled with retrovirological, biochemical and immunological methodologies we intend to (1) study the structure-function relationship of transmembrane protein gp41, with an emphasis on the zipper motif and cytoplasmic domain; and to (2) develop trans-dominant negative Env mutants to interfere with the wild-type virus replication; and to (3) develop Env-based gene therapy technologies for the treatment of viral diseases. Qualifications: M.S. or B.S. in Virology, Molecular Biology, Biochemistry, Cell Biology or other related biosciences are required. Research Institution: Institute of Biomedical Sciences, Academia Sinica Address: 128, Yen-Chiu-Yuan Road, Section 2, Taipei, Taiwan, R.O.C. Contact Person: Dr. Steve S.-L. Chen Telephone: (02) 789-9172 Fax: (02) 782-5573 E-mail: schen@ibms.sinica.edu.tw From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Fri Jun 20 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!agate!howland.erols.net!feeder.chicago.cic.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: dkmason2@aol.com (DKMason2) Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.hiv Subject: -----CURE HIV IN 5 DAYS?---- Date: 21 Jun 1997 09:06:41 GMT Lines: 3 Message-ID: <19970621090601.FAA17087@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Anyone wanting a step by step CURE effective within 5 days please e-mail . For "Subject" write CURE.html. In the body of the message area type "Subscribe". From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Sat Jun 21 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!agate!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!feeder.chicago.cic.net!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: pandoc@ix.netcom.com Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.hiv Subject: Re: HIV and hearing Loss Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 16:55:17 -0700 Organization: Netcom Lines: 60 Message-ID: <33AC69E4.6E28@ix.netcom.com> References: <5o3cuv$h5d$1@news.pernet.net> <5o9ivr$1ci@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sac-ca9-19.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Jun 21 6:52:22 PM CDT 1997 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win16; I) Todd Miller wrote: > > In <5o3cuv$h5d$1@news.pernet.net> domag1@mail.pernet.net (Joe Lippeatt) > writes: > > > >Hello, > > > >I am doing a research paper on HIV and hearing loss. So far, I > >haven't found any resources on the Internet regarding the possiblity > >of HIV causing hearing loss. [edit] > I'm not sure how you would imagine that hearing loss could > occur because of immune suppression (although the CDC imagines > that wasting and dementia are the result of immune suppression, > presumbably to keep the "AIDS" count up). > > There is a tremendous tendency to blame any health event in an > "HIV+" person as being due to "HIV", but very often the connection > is not clear, and may not even be there at all. > > Todd Miller, PhD Todd continues to suffer severe hearing and visual losses due to the deformation of bigotry and a failed education. It's nice to see the consistency of his ignorance. Nobody likes change... The reasonable investigator will find much information in AIDSLINE using keyword search- "hearing" Exempli gratia: Human immunodeficiency virus and acquired immune deficiency syndrome AIDS-related hearing disorders. Madriz JJ; Herrera G Department of Otorhinolaryngology, Ministry of Health, San JosÆe, Costa Rica. J Am Acad Audiol, 1995 Sep, 6:5, 358-64 After a brief discussion of the nature of the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV)/acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS) disease process and its consequences, the article considers implications for the ear and hearing. One of the newest etiologic considerations for audiologists is pediatric autoimmune deficiency syndrome (PAIDS). Babies born to HIV-AIDS-positive mothers, and children who have acquired the disease, represent a new challenge to clinics. Symptoms, audiologic care, and management are considered. Charles P. McCarthy, P.M.D. Clinical Specialist and Professor Emeritus International School of Pantherapeuticological Medicine Carmichael, CA USA Non Licet Sui Commoda Causa Nocere Alteri "Life is a membrane that reproduces." Pandoc From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Sat Jun 21 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!agate!hammer.uoregon.edu!News1.Vancouver.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!feeder.chicago.cic.net!chi-news.cic.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: kssjrn@earthlkink.net (Ken) Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.hiv Subject: Re: -----CURE HIV IN 5 DAYS?---- Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 05:34:46 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <33acb06c.12964997@news.earthlink.net> References: <19970621090601.FAA17087@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust15.tnt3.sfo3.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 On 21 Jun 1997 09:06:41 GMT, dkmason2@aol.com (DKMason2) wrote: >Anyone wanting a step by step CURE effective within 5 days please e-mail >. For "Subject" write CURE.html. In the body of >the message area type "Subscribe". I am a Licensed Clinical Social Worker with a large ASO. I do not think that hypes and quackery should be posted to lure PWA's. Only responsible and proven therapies should be posted in this area. Ken From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Sat Jun 21 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!agate!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: gmc0@ix.netcom.com (George M. Carter) Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.hiv Subject: Re: -----CURE HIV IN 5 DAYS?---- Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 22:19:55 GMT Organization: Free Radical Enterprises Lines: 13 Message-ID: <5ok8dk$soj@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> References: <19970621090601.FAA17087@ladder02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: gmc0@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: nyc-ny16-17.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Jun 22 5:19:32 PM CDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 dkmason2@aol.com (DKMason2) wrote: >Anyone wanting a step by step CURE effective within 5 days please e-mail >. For "Subject" write CURE.html. In the body of >the message area type "Subscribe". Why don't you simply state what the "cure" is supposed to be, how much it costs and what is the basis for the claim? Is this Hulda Clark's so-called cure? Have YOU been cured by this approach? George M. Carter From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Mon Jun 23 23:00:00 1997 Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.hiv Path: biosci!agate!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!vunovick From: vunovick@netcom.com (Varda Ullman Novick) Subject: STUDY FINDS THREE DRUG AIDS COCKTAIL BETTER THAN TWO Message-ID: Organization: Netcom On-Line Services X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 02:15:18 GMT Lines: 67 Sender: vunovick@netcom23.netcom.com FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Jeff Winton Hoffmann-La Roche 973/562-2373 jeffwinton@roche.com LARGEST-EVER AIDS STUDY FINDS THREE DRUG AIDS COCKTAIL BETTER THAN TWO NUTLEY, NJ, June 20, 1997 --New data from the largest-ever AIDS study shows that using a three drug cocktail -- the protease inhibitor INVIRASE(R) (saquinavir mesylate) and the nucleoside analogues AZT and HIVID(R) (ddC) -- reduces time to disease progression or death by 50 percent compared to the two drug combination of AZT and HIVID. The global study, which took place in 22 countries, enrolled 3,485 people who have never been treated with antiretroviral therapy. These data, which come from an international clinical endpoint study, Hoffmann-La Roche trial SV 14604, demonstrate that three-drug therapy with a protease inhibitor is clinically superior to the standard two-drug regimen. However, a significant number of people with HIV and AIDS are still being treated with just two nucleoside analogues. "Thirty-eight percent of patients under a physician's care for HIV are not receiving a protease inhibitor, according to a study we completed this month with 300 AIDS-treating physicians in the U.S.," said Stephen Ketterer, president of HIV Research in Washington, D.C. The international clinical endpoint trial enrolled patients in four treatment arms who were followed for approximately one and one-half years. Patients were naive to antiretroviral drugs, with no patient having more than 16 weeks of prior AZT therapy. Patients enrolled in the triple combination INVIRASE/AZT/HIVID arm experienced a total of 76 clinical endpoints (first AIDS-defining event or death) compared with 142 endpoints in the AZT/HIVID arm and 116 endpoints in the INVIRASE/AZT arm. Patients in the triple combination arm had a median baseline viral load of 5.0 logs and a median baseline CD4 count of 204; patients in the AZT/HIVID arm had a median baseline viral load of 5.1 logs and a median baseline CD4 count of 199; and patients in the INVIRASE/AZT arm had a median baseline viral load of 5.0 logs and a median baseline CD4 count of 202. Results from this clinical trial have not yet been reviewed by the FDA and will be submitted in order to update the product labeling for INVIRASE. About INVIRASE INVIRASE is indicated in combination with nucleoside analogues for the treatment of HIV infection when therapy is warranted. This indication is based on results from studies of surrogate marker responses and from a clinical study that showed a reduction in both mortality and AIDS-defining clinical events for patients who received INVIRASE in combination with HIVID compared to patients who received either HIVID or INVIRASE alone. In clinical studies, INVIRASE was well tolerated by most patients and reported adverse events were mostly of mild intensity. The most frequently reported adverse events, at least possibly related to INVIRASE treatment and of at least moderate intensity, included diarrhea (3.8 percent), abdominal discomfort (1.3 percent) and nausea (1.9 percent). About Roche Laboratories Inc. Roche Laboratories Inc. is the marketing and sales subsidiary of Hoffmann-La Roche Inc., a leading research-intensive pharmaceutical company. Roche Laboratories markets more than 35 medications in major therapeutic areas including AIDS, oncology, transplantation, infectious diseases, cardiovascular diseases and dermatology. # # # From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Mon Jun 23 23:00:00 1997 From: jwallenberg@delta.net (June Ellen Wallenberg) Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.hiv Subject: 300,000 word dictionary FREE Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 22:31:48 GMT Message-ID: <33b04a9a.569645519@news.why.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.60.112.102 Lines: 7 Path: biosci!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!europa.clark.net!feed1.news.erols.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.inil.com!news!209.60.112.102 Just found 300,000 word dictionary for FREE. http://www.supernet-2000.com/software.htm June Ellen From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Mon Jun 23 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!agate!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!uunet!in1.uu.net!140.142.64.3!news.u.washington.edu!fae2xx.biostat.washington.edu!user From: marnix@u.washington.edu (Marnix L. Bosch) Newsgroups: misc.health.aids,bionet.molbio.hiv,gay-net.aids,uk.gay-lesbian.bi Subject: Re: More UK Media Expose "Aids" Propaganda Date: 24 Jun 1997 19:51:18 GMT Organization: UW Lines: 134 Message-ID: References: <867176978snz@blackdog.demon.co.uk.snip> NNTP-Posting-Host: fae2xx.biostat.washington.edu John still hasn't progressed from providing "references" to the popular media. Draw your own conclusions. Marnix Bosch In article <867176978snz@blackdog.demon.co.uk.snip>, john@blackdog.demon.co.uk.snip wrote: > Channel 5 TV Enquiry Into "Aids" Propaganda. > > [ Although "Aids" has been known for over a decade not to have > an infectious cause or to be a significant public health factor, > organisations and individuals benefiting from the "Aids" scandal > continue to feed dishonest and misleading scare stories into the > media. Drawing on archive material from the U.K. government's > discredited "Aids" terror campaign of 1897, Channel 5's weekend > current affairs programme "What's The Story?" reported the > consequences of the continuing torrent of disinformation, and > the widespread public confusion and ignorance it has created. ] > > Extracts from "What's The Story?" [Ch 5, Sunday, 22 June, 1997] > > WTS Reporter Charlotte Hudson interviewed Dr Mike Fitzpatrick > about the effects of the early media barrage. > > Dr MF: Well, the 'Tombstones and Icebergs Campaign' had a > tremendous impact. It created a most enormous wave of > public fear and anxiety about AIDS. We saw a great > wave of people coming in, the worried well: people who > had absolutely no chance from any practical point of > view of being "HIV positive". One boy came in with a > spot on his chest he thought was Kaposi's Sarcoma; so > 'well informed' was he by watching television about > the peculiar complications of symptoms of AIDS. It was > in fact ringworm! > > Hudson: After the eighties we were told "Don't Die of Ignorance" > But just how ignorant are we of the risk? > > The programme interviewed a sample of young people, asking them > how many people they thought had contracted "HIV" from straight > sex with a low-risk partner. Estimates ranged from 7% to 75%, > from "most of the population" to "about half", from 5,000 to > 50,000. The official figure is 46. > > Dr MF: People have a greater chance of winning the National > Lottery or being struck by lightning. > > Even more surprisingly, Charlotte Hudson reported, the reported > number of people who contracted HIV from straight sex with a > "high-risk partner" is only 40. So is AIDS still seen as part > of our lives? > > Dr MF: We have a level of concern that is out of all > proportion to the real risk, and that has merely > continued and been boosted at various times over the > last ten years. > > Hudson: The leaflets and TV ads may have stopped coming, but > every week there is some "Aids risk" story in the > media warning of the dangers of heterosexual sex. To > the majority of us it seems the only person we > actually know of who has contracted HIV through > heterosexual sex in this country is 'Eastenders' > character Mark Fowler. > > ['Eastenders' is a popular BBC TV soap opera. The Mark > Fowler "Aids" story, although crudely exploitive and > essentially unbelievable, has a strange accuracy in > that the alleged "Aids" victim is clearly in excellent > health, having refused all medication, but is now shown > to be subject to coercive medical bullying to accept > new drugs. If the accuracy is to be maintained, he will > have to either accept the drugs and become ill from > them, or continue to refuse them and remain healthy.] > > Corinne Hollingworth, ex-producer of "Eastenders", was given > an opportunity to explain the existence of an incongruous > story so far outside any possible experience of her audience. > > Hollingworth: When we decided on the AIDS storyline in > 'Eastenders' it was the late eighties, and it felt > like there was a very definite need to expand peoples' > awareness of that subject. And what better medium than > a soap which reaches twenty million people on a regular > basis? And what we wanted to do was to show what we > felt was going to be an important development in the > history, if you like, of AIDS, which was that it would > start to affect anybody and everybody. With hindsight, > I think we were "stretching it" slightly. > > Hudson: So 'The Beeb' is left with the continuing legacy of > Mark and HIV. This storyline, once started, can't be > overturned, even in Soapland! > > Dr MF: Every time you see these stories coming around, we > will see more people coming in who will be frightened > and afraid. People whose risk of getting HIV and AIDS > is for practical purposes usually zero. > > Finally, to highlight the depth of ignorance about real > sexually transmitted infectious disease, in contrast to what > people think they "know" about AIDS, the programme surveyed a > group of young people on their knowledge of Chlamydia, an > infectious STD which can lead to infertility, with an > estimated 5-10% prevalence in those under 25. None even knew > what it was. But over 39,000 people in Britain are known to > have caught Chlamydia in 1995, 'What's The Story' revealed. > > ==//== > > [ The Chlamydia figures explode the common "Aids" industry lie > that Safe Sex campaigns have prevented the "spread of HIV". And > it remains an unanswerable contradiction in "HIV theory" that > there has been effectively no incidence of "Aids" in the general > public. Real infectious diseases simply *cannot* behave in this > way, which is why "Aids" promoters prefer to keep on lying. > > Channel 5's 'What's The Story' deserves credit for this exposure > of the ignorance and confusion deliberately fostered through the > media by the "Aids" industry. The co-operation of communications > media has been instrumental in creating a climate of fearful > ignorance and incomprehension, but it has also contributed to the > unnecessary deaths of over 8,000 healthy or curable so-called > "HIV positive" people in Britain, and the damaged health of > thousands more, through scandalously irresponsible medical > intervention with deadly drugs. It has also allowed the diversion > of huge sums from healthcare budgets to shore up the defunct > "Aids" myth and reward its promoters and exploiters. It is to be > hoped that UK media will continue to expose the lies around > "Aids", which, unlike the industry's propaganda, really is the > 'Tip of The Iceberg'. ] > > -- From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Mon Jun 23 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!fcs280s.ncifcrf.gov!cpk-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: Wally Boulton <"wallyb@earthlink.net"@mail.earthlink.net> Newsgroups: misc.health.aids,bionet.molbio.hiv,gay-net.aids,uk.gay-lesbian.bi Subject: Re: More UK Media Expose "Aids" Propaganda Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 18:29:28 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <5ophqb$nb3@ecuador.earthlink.net> References: <867176978snz@blackdog.demon.co.uk.snip> Reply-To: "wallyb@earthlink.net"@mail.earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust22.max79.new-york.ny.ms.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) himself wrote: > Channel 5 TV Enquiry Into "Aids" Propaganda. Somehow, John, your offering of TV interviews just doesn't have an element of believability. But then, what did we expect from the Village Idiot? Wally From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Mon Jun 23 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!agate!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!bcm.tmc.edu!rice!newspump.wustl.edu!wubios.wustl.edu!wubios.wustl.edu!not-for-mail From: "Aids Center(Infectious Diseases)" Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.hiv,sci.med.aids,misc.health.aids Subject: AIDS-Related Neuropathy Lecture Date: 24 Jun 1997 07:17:07 -0500 Organization: unspecified Lines: 19 Sender: sma@wubios.wustl.edu Approved: Yes: Jeff Rizzo ,"S. Hall" Message-ID: <45484@sci.med.aids> NNTP-Posting-Host: wubios.wustl.edu X-Auth: PGPMoose V1.1 PGP sci.med.aids iQBVAwUBM6+6wsAkkj4XV8rpAQF5TgH6A+LoBb52tpFOvHd4MMvUa+6KJnvuMLHM ANzqFdLYi6fN89Kzr6nB0zTbjeSxKvOOZl5W24yj6RTqA4NCiRNI/A== =+9ML AIDS-RELATED NEUROPATHY David M. Simpson, MD Associate Professor Director, Clinical Neurophysiology Laboratories Director, Neuro-AIDS Research Program Mount Sinai Medical Center Wednesday, June 25, 1997 6:00pm The Lighthouse 111 East 59th Street between Park Ave & Lexington Ave Take #6, N or R train to 59th St. This free lecture is open to the public From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Mon Jun 23 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!agate!howland.erols.net!europa.clark.net!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!blackdog.demon.co.uk.snip!john From: john@blackdog.demon.co.uk.snip (himself) Newsgroups: misc.health.aids,bionet.molbio.hiv,gay-net.aids,uk.gay-lesbian.bi Subject: More UK Media Expose "Aids" Propaganda Date: Tue, 24 Jun 97 18:29:38 GMT Organization: Cockamamie Computing Message-ID: <867176978snz@blackdog.demon.co.uk.snip> Reply-To: john@blackdog.demon.co.uk.snip X-Mail2News-User: john@blackdog.demon.co.uk.snip X-Mail2News-Path: blackdog.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Lines: 128 Channel 5 TV Enquiry Into "Aids" Propaganda. [ Although "Aids" has been known for over a decade not to have an infectious cause or to be a significant public health factor, organisations and individuals benefiting from the "Aids" scandal continue to feed dishonest and misleading scare stories into the media. Drawing on archive material from the U.K. government's discredited "Aids" terror campaign of 1897, Channel 5's weekend current affairs programme "What's The Story?" reported the consequences of the continuing torrent of disinformation, and the widespread public confusion and ignorance it has created. ] Extracts from "What's The Story?" [Ch 5, Sunday, 22 June, 1997] WTS Reporter Charlotte Hudson interviewed Dr Mike Fitzpatrick about the effects of the early media barrage. Dr MF: Well, the 'Tombstones and Icebergs Campaign' had a tremendous impact. It created a most enormous wave of public fear and anxiety about AIDS. We saw a great wave of people coming in, the worried well: people who had absolutely no chance from any practical point of view of being "HIV positive". One boy came in with a spot on his chest he thought was Kaposi's Sarcoma; so 'well informed' was he by watching television about the peculiar complications of symptoms of AIDS. It was in fact ringworm! Hudson: After the eighties we were told "Don't Die of Ignorance" But just how ignorant are we of the risk? The programme interviewed a sample of young people, asking them how many people they thought had contracted "HIV" from straight sex with a low-risk partner. Estimates ranged from 7% to 75%, from "most of the population" to "about half", from 5,000 to 50,000. The official figure is 46. Dr MF: People have a greater chance of winning the National Lottery or being struck by lightning. Even more surprisingly, Charlotte Hudson reported, the reported number of people who contracted HIV from straight sex with a "high-risk partner" is only 40. So is AIDS still seen as part of our lives? Dr MF: We have a level of concern that is out of all proportion to the real risk, and that has merely continued and been boosted at various times over the last ten years. Hudson: The leaflets and TV ads may have stopped coming, but every week there is some "Aids risk" story in the media warning of the dangers of heterosexual sex. To the majority of us it seems the only person we actually know of who has contracted HIV through heterosexual sex in this country is 'Eastenders' character Mark Fowler. ['Eastenders' is a popular BBC TV soap opera. The Mark Fowler "Aids" story, although crudely exploitive and essentially unbelievable, has a strange accuracy in that the alleged "Aids" victim is clearly in excellent health, having refused all medication, but is now shown to be subject to coercive medical bullying to accept new drugs. If the accuracy is to be maintained, he will have to either accept the drugs and become ill from them, or continue to refuse them and remain healthy.] Corinne Hollingworth, ex-producer of "Eastenders", was given an opportunity to explain the existence of an incongruous story so far outside any possible experience of her audience. Hollingworth: When we decided on the AIDS storyline in 'Eastenders' it was the late eighties, and it felt like there was a very definite need to expand peoples' awareness of that subject. And what better medium than a soap which reaches twenty million people on a regular basis? And what we wanted to do was to show what we felt was going to be an important development in the history, if you like, of AIDS, which was that it would start to affect anybody and everybody. With hindsight, I think we were "stretching it" slightly. Hudson: So 'The Beeb' is left with the continuing legacy of Mark and HIV. This storyline, once started, can't be overturned, even in Soapland! Dr MF: Every time you see these stories coming around, we will see more people coming in who will be frightened and afraid. People whose risk of getting HIV and AIDS is for practical purposes usually zero. Finally, to highlight the depth of ignorance about real sexually transmitted infectious disease, in contrast to what people think they "know" about AIDS, the programme surveyed a group of young people on their knowledge of Chlamydia, an infectious STD which can lead to infertility, with an estimated 5-10% prevalence in those under 25. None even knew what it was. But over 39,000 people in Britain are known to have caught Chlamydia in 1995, 'What's The Story' revealed. ==//== [ The Chlamydia figures explode the common "Aids" industry lie that Safe Sex campaigns have prevented the "spread of HIV". And it remains an unanswerable contradiction in "HIV theory" that there has been effectively no incidence of "Aids" in the general public. Real infectious diseases simply *cannot* behave in this way, which is why "Aids" promoters prefer to keep on lying. Channel 5's 'What's The Story' deserves credit for this exposure of the ignorance and confusion deliberately fostered through the media by the "Aids" industry. The co-operation of communications media has been instrumental in creating a climate of fearful ignorance and incomprehension, but it has also contributed to the unnecessary deaths of over 8,000 healthy or curable so-called "HIV positive" people in Britain, and the damaged health of thousands more, through scandalously irresponsible medical intervention with deadly drugs. It has also allowed the diversion of huge sums from healthcare budgets to shore up the defunct "Aids" myth and reward its promoters and exploiters. It is to be hoped that UK media will continue to expose the lies around "Aids", which, unlike the industry's propaganda, really is the 'Tip of The Iceberg'. ] -- From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Tue Jun 24 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!agate!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.inet.co.th!locker From: Umnarj Paeratakul Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.hiv Subject: Help - concentrating protein by AQUACIDE Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 11:25:10 -0700 Organization: microbiologist Lines: 16 Message-ID: <33B16286.653B@mozart.inet.co.th> Reply-To: umnarj@mozart.inet.co.th NNTP-Posting-Host: truppp140.inet.co.th Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win16; I) Dear friends, Long time ago, I concentrate protein in dilute solution by putting it in a dialysis bag (with very small holes), sprinkle AQUACIDE over the bag, and leave it overnight at 4 degrees. Next morning, aquacide will suck up all the water from the dialysis bag and leave the concentrated protein in there. My problem is now I cannot remember what company make AQUACIDE, or if you know a similar product, I would appreciate your help. Please reply by e-mail umnarj@mozart.inet.co.th Thank you in advance Umnarj From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Tue Jun 24 23:00:00 1997 Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.hiv Path: biosci!agate!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!vunovick From: vunovick@netcom.com (Varda Ullman Novick) Subject: REVISED NEWS RELEASE Message-ID: Organization: Netcom On-Line Services X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:04:57 GMT Lines: 72 Sender: vunovick@netcom23.netcom.com This news release is a revised version of a release posted on Friday, June 20. Please refer to this version if you are interested in the results of a clinical endpoint trial with saquinavir. FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Jeff Winton Hoffmann-La Roche 973/562-2373 jeffrey.winton@roche.com LARGEST-EVER AIDS STUDY FINDS THREE DRUG AIDS COCKTAIL BETTER THAN TWO NUTLEY, NJ, June 20, 1997 --New data from the largest-ever AIDS study shows that using a three drug cocktail -- the protease inhibitor INVIRASE(R) (saquinavir mesylate) and the nucleoside analogues AZT and HIVID(R) (ddC) -- delays time to disease progression or death by 50 percent compared to the two drug combination of AZT and HIVID. The global study, which took place in 22 countries, enrolled 3,485 people who have never been treated with antiretroviral therapy. These data, which come from an international clinical endpoint study, Hoffmann-La Roche trial SV 14604, demonstrate that three-drug therapy with a protease inhibitor is clinically superior to the standard two-drug regimen. However, a significant number of people with HIV and AIDS are still being treated with just two nucleoside analogues. "Thirty-eight percent of patients under a physician's care for HIV are not receiving a protease inhibitor, according to a study we completed this month with 300 AIDS-treating physicians in the U.S.," said Stephen Ketterer, president of HIV Research in Washington, D.C. The international clinical endpoint trial enrolled patients in four treatment arms who were followed for approximately one and one-half years. Patients were naive to antiretroviral drugs, with no patient having more than 16 weeks of prior AZT therapy. Patients enrolled in the triple combination INVIRASE/AZT/HIVID arm experienced a total of 76 clinical endpoints (first AIDS-defining event or death) compared with 142 endpoints in the AZT/HIVID arm and 116 endpoints in the INVIRASE/AZT arm. Patients in the triple combination arm had a median baseline viral load of 5.0 logs and a median baseline CD4 count of 204; patients in the AZT/HIVID arm had a median baseline viral load of 5.1 logs and a median baseline CD4 count of 199; and patients in the INVIRASE/AZT arm had a median baseline viral load of 5.0 logs and a median baseline CD4 count of 202. Results from this clinical trial have not yet been reviewed by the FDA and will be submitted in order to update the product labeling for INVIRASE. About INVIRASE INVIRASE is indicated in combination with nucleoside analogues for the treatment of HIV infection when therapy is warranted. This indication is based on results from studies of surrogate marker responses and from a clinical study that showed a reduction in both mortality and AIDS-defining clinical events for patients who received INVIRASE in combination with HIVID compared to patients who received either HIVID or INVIRASE alone. In clinical studies, INVIRASE was well tolerated by most patients and reported adverse events were mostly of mild intensity. The most frequently reported adverse events, at least possibly related to INVIRASE treatment and of at least moderate intensity, included diarrhea (3.8 percent), abdominal discomfort (1.3 percent) and nausea (1.9 percent). About Roche Laboratories Inc. Roche Laboratories Inc. is the marketing and sales subsidiary of Hoffmann-La Roche Inc., a leading research-intensive pharmaceutical company. Roche Laboratories markets more than 35 medications in major therapeutic areas including AIDS, oncology, transplantation, infectious diseases, cardiovascular diseases and dermatology. # # # From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Wed Jun 25 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!agate!howland.erols.net!europa.clark.net!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!bmaids.demon.co.uk!bmaids.demon.co.uk!hilary From: Hilary Curtis Newsgroups: misc.health.aids,bionet.molbio.hiv,gay-net.aids,uk.gay-lesbian.bi Subject: Re: More UK Media Expose "Aids" Propaganda Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 09:33:53 +0100 Organization: BMA Foundation for AIDS Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <867176978snz@blackdog.demon.co.uk.snip> NNTP-Posting-Host: bmaids.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: bmaids.demon.co.uk [194.222.62.84] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.01 Lines: 54 In article , "Marnix L. Bosch" writes >John still hasn't progressed from providing "references" to the popular >media. Draw your own conclusions. > >Marnix Bosch > >In article <867176978snz@blackdog.demon.co.uk.snip>, >john@blackdog.demon.co.uk.snip wrote: > >> Channel 5 TV Enquiry Into "Aids" Propaganda. >> >> The programme interviewed a sample of young people, asking them >> how many people they thought had contracted "HIV" from straight >> sex with a low-risk partner. Estimates ranged from 7% to 75%, >> from "most of the population" to "about half", from 5,000 to >> 50,000. The official figure is 46. >> The official figure, for cases of HIV infection reported up to 31 Dec 1996 in the UK attributed to heterosexual exposure in the UK for which there is no evidence that the partner was at high risk is 472. >> Dr MF: People have a greater chance of winning the National >> Lottery or being struck by lightning. >> >> Even more surprisingly, Charlotte Hudson reported, the reported >> number of people who contracted HIV from straight sex with a >> "high-risk partner" is only 40. So is AIDS still seen as part >> of our lives? The official figure, for cases of HIV reported up to 31 Dec 1996 in the UK attributed to heterosexual exposure in the UK with a "high risk" partner* is 633. In addition, the official figure for cases of HIV reported up to 31 Dec 1996 in the UK attributed to heterosexual exposure which took place outside the UK is 4007. Plus there have been a further 321 reported cases of HIV in the UK attributed to heterosexual intercourse which have not been fully investigated and where it is unclear whether the partner was or was not "high risk" or whether exposure took place in or outside the UK. * "Partners exposed to HIV infection through sexual intercourse between men, IDU, blood factor treatment or blood/tissue transfer. All data from Communicable Disease Report, Vol 7, No 4, 24 Jan 1997. (That's a scientific journal, not a TV programme.) -- Hilary Curtis, Executive Director, BMA Foundation for AIDS http://www.bmaids.demon.co.uk/ Education for HIV/AIDS policy, prevention and professional practice BMA House, Tavistock Square, London WC1H 9JP, UK From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Thu Jun 26 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!agate!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!206.250.118.17!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: Wally Boulton <"wallyb@earthlink.net"@mail.earthlink.net> Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.hiv,misc.health.aids,uk.gay-lesbian-bi,gay-net.aids Subject: Re: More UK Media Expose "Aids" Propaganda Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 18:24:54 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <5p1elq$51@ecuador.earthlink.net> References: <867436992snz@blackdog.demon.co.uk.snip> Reply-To: "wallyb@earthlink.net"@mail.earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust23.max75.new-york.ny.ms.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) himself wrote: > Channel 5 TV Enquiry Into "Aids" Propaganda. > > NOTE: Sorry if you are seeing this twice - it missed a couple of groups. It didn't miss nearly enough of them. Wally From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Thu Jun 26 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!europa.clark.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!206.250.118.17!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: Wally Boulton <"wallyb@earthlink.net"@mail.earthlink.net> Newsgroups: misc.health.aids,bionet.molbio.hiv,gay-net.aids,uk.gay-lesbian-bi Subject: Re: More UK Media Expose "Aids" Propaganda Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 18:28:09 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <5p1ert$51@ecuador.earthlink.net> References: <867176978snz@blackdog.demon.co.uk.snip> <867438119snz@blackdog.demon.co.uk.snip> Reply-To: "wallyb@earthlink.net"@mail.earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust23.max75.new-york.ny.ms.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) himself wrote: > Rubbish. Take it up with Channel 5 (Or Twenty-Twenty Television, > who made the programme). Right, a real authority on anything -- television. > The fact that even the tame media, so long obedient to the crooks > who exploit the "Aids" superstition, now refuse to play along, > should be a worrying portent The only thing the media refuses to play along with is the dissident line of nonsense. Otherwise, why is this newsgroup the only place you are visible? Wally From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Thu Jun 26 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!europa.clark.net!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: gmc0@ix.netcom.com (George M. Carter) Newsgroups: misc.health.aids,bionet.molbio.hiv,gay-net.aids,uk.gay-lesbian-bi Subject: Re: More UK Media Expose "Aids" Propaganda Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 23:34:47 GMT Organization: Free Radical Enterprises Lines: 17 Message-ID: <5p1im2$cl@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com> References: <867176978snz@blackdog.demon.co.uk.snip> <867438119snz@blackdog.demon.co.uk.snip> Reply-To: gmc0@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: nyc-ny44-19.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Jun 27 4:34:26 PM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 john@blackdog.demon.co.uk.snip (himself) wrote: >Why on earth the BMA continues to waste resources on your lying >"Foundation" is a mystery. Its existence and behaviour is a serious >insult to British medicine, and its promotional disinformation is >a real health danger and an obstacle to decent medical practice. >The BMA should not be seen to be swimming in this sewer. What, perhaps they should swim in the toxic waste stream trickling out of your lot? Why should anyone believe anything you say? Who are you? Does anybody care? But since the media and all of the UK apparently sees through the so-called AIDS hoax, everything oughta be safe and peachy, even for a tired, reluctant little fellow like you. Come out! George M. Carter From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Thu Jun 26 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!europa.clark.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!blackdog.demon.co.uk.snip!john From: john@blackdog.demon.co.uk.snip (himself) Newsgroups: misc.health.aids,bionet.molbio.hiv,gay-net.aids,uk.gay-lesbian-bi Subject: Re: More UK Media Expose "Aids" Propaganda Date: Fri, 27 Jun 97 19:01:59 GMT Organization: Cockamamie Computing Distribution: world Message-ID: <867438119snz@blackdog.demon.co.uk.snip> References: <867176978snz@blackdog.demon.co.uk.snip> Reply-To: john@blackdog.demon.co.uk.snip X-Mail2News-User: john@blackdog.demon.co.uk.snip X-Mail2News-Path: blackdog.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Lines: 57 hilary@bmaids.demon.co.uk "Hilary Curtis" writes: > >> Channel 5 TV Enquiry Into "Aids" Propaganda. > >> > >> The programme interviewed a sample of young people, asking them > >> how many people they thought had contracted "HIV" from straight > >> sex with a low-risk partner. Estimates ranged from 7% to 75%, > >> from "most of the population" to "about half", from 5,000 to > >> 50,000. The official figure is 46. > > The official figure, for cases of HIV infection reported up to 31 Dec > 1996 in the UK attributed to heterosexual exposure in the UK for which > there is no evidence that the partner was at high risk is 472. Rubbish. Take it up with Channel 5 (Or Twenty-Twenty Television, who made the programme). It is revealing that several discordant "official" versions of "Aids figures" now exist. It underlines that absolute lack of integrity which characterises the field. > >> Dr MF: People have a greater chance of winning the National > >> Lottery or being struck by lightning. > >> > >> Even more surprisingly, Charlotte Hudson reported, the reported > >> number of people who contracted HIV from straight sex with a > >> "high-risk partner" is only 40. So is AIDS still seen as part > >> of our lives? > > The official figure, for cases of HIV reported up to 31 Dec 1996 in > the UK attributed to heterosexual exposure in the UK with a "high > risk" partner* is 633. More dishonesty. But again I am glad to find that no one gives your crude lies the least credit. The fact that even the tame media, so long obedient to the crooks who exploit the "Aids" superstition, now refuse to play along, should be a worrying portent for those of you with your snouts still guzzling in the trough. No one believes you. > Hilary Curtis, Executive Director, BMA Foundation for AIDS Why on earth the BMA continues to waste resources on your lying "Foundation" is a mystery. Its existence and behaviour is a serious insult to British medicine, and its promotional disinformation is a real health danger and an obstacle to decent medical practice. The BMA should not be seen to be swimming in this sewer. John -- "There is this terrible fear throughout the field that it will be discovered we have been walking down the wrong route all these years and advising people to do things which will turn out to be the wrong things. I think about quitting all the time." UK "Aids" industry worker's letter to Neville Hodgkinson, author of _AIDS: The Failure of Contemporary Science_ From owner-hiv@net.bio.net Thu Jun 26 23:00:00 1997 Path: biosci!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!europa.clark.net!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!blackdog.demon.co.uk.snip!john From: john@blackdog.demon.co.uk.snip (himself) Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.hiv,misc.health.aids,uk.gay-lesbian-bi,gay-net.aids Subject: More UK Media Expose "Aids" Propaganda Date: Fri, 27 Jun 97 18:43:12 GMT Organization: Cockamamie Computing Message-ID: <867436992snz@blackdog.demon.co.uk.snip> Reply-To: john@blackdog.demon.co.uk.snip X-Mail2News-User: john@blackdog.demon.co.uk.snip X-Mail2News-Path: blackdog.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Lines: 129 Channel 5 TV Enquiry Into "Aids" Propaganda. [ Although "Aids" has been known for over a decade not to have an infectious cause or to be a significant public health factor, organisations and individuals benefiting from the "Aids" scandal continue to feed dishonest and misleading scare stories into the media. Drawing on archive material from the U.K. government's discredited "Aids" terror campaign of 1987, Channel 5's weekend current affairs programme "What's The Story?" reported the consequences of the continuing torrent of disinformation, and the widespread public confusion and ignorance it has created. ] Extracts from "What's The Story?" [Ch 5, Sunday, 22 June, 1997] WTS Reporter Charlotte Hudson interviewed Dr Mike Fitzpatrick about the effects of the early media barrage. Dr MF: Well, the 'Tombstones and Icebergs Campaign' had a tremendous impact. It created a most enormous wave of public fear and anxiety about AIDS. We saw a great wave of people coming in, the worried well: people who had absolutely no chance from any practical point of view of being "HIV positive". One boy came in with a spot on his chest he thought was Kaposi's Sarcoma; so 'well informed' was he by watching television about the peculiar complications of symptoms of AIDS. It was in fact ringworm! Hudson: After the eighties we were told "Don't Die of Ignorance" But just how ignorant are we of the risk? The programme interviewed a sample of young people, asking them how many people they thought had contracted "HIV" from straight sex with a low-risk partner. Estimates ranged from 7% to 75%, from "most of the population" to "about half", from 5,000 to 50,000. The official figure is 46. Dr MF: People have a greater chance of winning the National Lottery or being struck by lightning. Even more surprisingly, Charlotte Hudson reported, the reported number of people who contracted HIV from straight sex with a "high-risk partner" is only 40. So is AIDS still seen as part of our lives? Dr MF: We have a level of concern that is out of all proportion to the real risk, and that has merely continued and been boosted at various times over the last ten years. Hudson: The leaflets and TV ads may have stopped coming, but every week there is some "Aids risk" story in the media warning of the dangers of heterosexual sex. To the majority of us it seems the only person we actually know of who has contracted HIV through heterosexual sex in this country is 'Eastenders' character Mark Fowler. ['Eastenders' is a popular BBC TV soap opera. The Mark Fowler "Aids" story, although crudely exploitive and essentially unbelievable, has a strange accuracy in that the alleged "Aids" victim is clearly in excellent health, having refused all medication, but is now shown to be subject to coercive medical bullying to accept new drugs. If the accuracy is to be maintained, he will have to either accept the drugs and become ill from them, or continue to refuse them and remain healthy.] Corinne Hollingworth, ex-producer of "Eastenders", was given an opportunity to explain the existence of an incongruous story so far outside any possible experience of her audience. Hollingworth: When we decided on the AIDS storyline in 'Eastenders' it was the late eighties, and it felt like there was a very definite need to expand peoples' awareness of that subject. And what better medium than a soap which reaches twenty million people on a regular basis? And what we wanted to do was to show what we felt was going to be an important development in the history, if you like, of AIDS, which was that it would start to affect anybody and everybody. With hindsight, I think we were "stretching it" slightly. Hudson: So 'The Beeb' is left with the continuing legacy of Mark and HIV. This storyline, once started, can't be overturned, even in Soapland! Dr MF: Every time you see these stories coming around, we will see more people coming in who will be frightened and afraid. People whose risk of getting HIV and AIDS is for practical purposes usually zero. Finally, to highlight the depth of ignorance about real sexually transmitted infectious disease, in contrast to what people think they "know" about AIDS, the programme surveyed a group of young people on their knowledge of Chlamydia, an infectious STD