From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Tue Mar 01 22:00:00 1994
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From: lpss@unixg.ubc.ca (Alex Chang)
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Subject: Summary of neutrophil isolation methods
Date: 2 Mar 1994 16:46:48 GMT
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Hi, Folks:

Several days ago, I posted a message asking for efficient ways to
isolate neutrophils from human peripheral blood, I got lots of
helpful messages. I'd like to thank the people who responded to my
request.

Here is the summary of them.

A. Ficoll/Hypaque is the fastest way to isolate PMN.  There are
many formulations of ficoll/hypaque, some are much faster than
others. The formulation we use is homemade. It takes about one and
a half hours (one hour if you hurry).

Mike Herron<herro001@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
Comment: not yet received the formulation yet.

B. We have used a one step method for neutrophil isolation that
works well for chemotaxis assays-Polymorphprep from Nycomed, used
to be distributed by Accurate, now by Gibco/BRL.

Cliff Beall <cbeall@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Research Scientist
Ohio State Biotech. Ctr.

C. Have you tried the Neutrophil Isolation medium. I have been
using it to separate human neutrophils for the past 4 years. It is
marketed by CARDINAL ASSOCIATES (Address: Cardinal Associates, P.O.
Box 5220 SANTA FE, NM 87501, Ross Robinson, 1-800-359-3249, fax
505-473-5637)
This one works perfectly well. You should keep it on the bench to
bring it to room temp before you start separating. It is a straight
forward procedure.

Padmakumar Narayanan <narayana@vet.vet.purdue.edu>
school of vet: medicine/purdue university

D.  I've been using magnetic beads (from Dynal) to separate rat B
spleenocytes from T spleenocytes. It is very efficient. I don't
known about neutrophils. It is an expensive method for start (the
magnetic separator is quit expensive comparing with the coated
magnetic beads), but at the end of the day, its worthwhile.
    I don't have the dynal catalogue here but if you need more
information, I can send to you latter.

Denise M. Moreira <D.Moreira@sheffield.ac.uk>

E. You should try a discontinous PERCOLL gradient of 55%/70%.
PERCOLL is available from Sigma and Pharmacia.
100% PERCOLL = stock solution of PERCOLL plus 0.9% w/v NaCl.

JOACHIM <nexejhey@rrzn-user.uni-hannover.de> 
-- 

From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Tue Mar 01 22:00:00 1994
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From: szjmahr@othello.ucdavis.edu ()
Subject: capital letters
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	WHY OH WHY IS IT THAT SOME ARE SO AFFECTED BY THE USE OF ALL 
CAPITAL LETTERS?  DO YOU FEEL AS THOUGH I AM SHOUTING AT YOU?

	here, i'll lower my voice a little,  is this better?

	does this preserve the sanctity of your ears?

	how are your eyes?
	
	perhaps i could arrange to post this in a more agreeable color.

	are my sentences to long? how about the spacing?

	but i ask you who are affected

	WHAT THE HELL DOES IT MATTER?  THIS IS SCIENCE, PEOPLE, DON'T WE 
HAVE BETTER THINGS TO WORRY ABOUT?  COULDN'T WE LIMIT OURSELVES TO 
WORTHWHILE  ENDEAVORS, MAYBE EVEN SOLVE A FEW PROBLEMS WHILE WE ARE AT IT?

	THIS IS A COMUNICATION NETWORK
	
	not a style conference


From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Tue Mar 01 22:00:00 1994
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From: <FORSDYKE@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
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Subject: Intracellular self/not-self discrimination
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THE NEED FOR INTRACELLULAR SELF/NOT-SELF DISCRIMINATION

The maturation of immunologically competent cells involves the deletion
or inactivation of cells which react with high specificity with self antigenic
determinants. Since the cells first "show their colours" by displaying
antigen-specific, outward-facing, receptors at their surfaces, their
"education" is regarded as part of an extracellular process of self/not-self
discrimination. A cell whose receptors happen to react with some free or
cell-borne self-antigenic determinant will either be deleted or inactivated.

   The principle of intracellular self/not-self discrimination was firmly
established with the discovery of bacterial restriction/modification
systems. An advantage to higher multicellular organism of having an
intracellular self/not-self discrimination system became particularly
apparent with the finding that peptides from both self and foreign
intracellular proteins can be displayed at the cell surface in association
with major histocompatibility complex (MHC) proteins; here they are
recognized by immunologically competent cells of the cytotoxic T cell
class. In the absence of a mechanism for distinguishing intracellularly
self peptides or proteins from foreign (e.g. virally-derived) peptides or
proteins, cells would have to display all MHC-bound peptides. Hedrick (1992)
has noted that "It is hard to understand how peptides derived from
foreign antigens can compete with the tide of self peptides...", and has
suggested that "Perhaps there is a mechanism that could help to sort
peptides into those originating from self and those originating from foreign
peptides".

  In the absence of such a sorting mechanism, an organism would depend
solely on prior education of T cells to prevent their being activated by
self-peptide-MHC complexes. Several studies indicate that this deletion
of potential self-reacting T cells would create numerous gaps in the T cell
repertoire, which might adversely affect resistance to infection
For example, Du Pasquier and coworkers (1977) presented
evidence that polyploid toad species, while apparently functionally
polyploid for most genes, are functionally DIPLOID for MHC genes. That
this had occurred over evolutionary time was suggested by the
observation that healthy laboratory-made polyploid toads expressed all
MHC loci. Since the final T cell repertoire reflects the processes of
negative and positive selection, every additional functional MHC gene
would increase the number of potential anti-self T cells which would have
to be deleted (negative selection). This would decrease the range of
foreign proteins to which the surviving positively selected cells could
respond. Fitness would be impaired. Individuals which lost excess MHC
loci through mutation, would then have a selective advantage so that the
modern polyploid survivors would be MHC diploid. As Vidovic and
Matzinger (1988) succinctly state: "There will be a selective pressure
against the expression of too many MHC genes. Because the number of
cells in the immune system is finite, the elimination of cells recognizing
self obviously reduces the recognition repertoire of the individual."

  The prior sorting of peptides intracellularly would mean that populations
of T cells would exist with the potential to respond against self-peptides
should they be inadvertantly, or artificially, presented. Thus, Schild and
coworkers (1990) found that cytotoxic T lymphocytes "are only tolerant of
those endogenous self peptide sequences that are presented by MHC
Class I-positive cells in a physiological manner".

  For a possible mechanism of intracellular self/not self discrimination see
Forsdyke, 1994.

REFS:

Du Pasquier et al. (1977) Immunogenetics 5, 129-147. The genetic control of
   histocompatibility reactions in natural and laboratory-made polyploid
   individuals of the clawed toad Xenopus.
Forsdyke, D. R. (1994) J. Biol. Systems (in press) Entropy-driven protein
   self-aggregation as the basis for self/not-self discrimination in the
   crowded cytosol.
Hedrick, S. M. (1992) Cell 70, 177-180. Dawn of the hunt for non-classical
   MHC function.
Schild et al. (1990) Science 247, 1587-89. Limit of T cell tolerance to self
   proteins by peptide presentation.
Vidovik, D. & Matzinger, P. (1988) Nature 336, 22-225. Unresponsiveness to
   a foreign antigen can be caused by self-tolerance.

                      Sincerely, Don Forsdyke, Discussion Leader,
                                               Bionet Immunology

From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Wed Mar 02 22:00:00 1994
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From: philstas@vub.ac.be (Stas Philippe)
Newsgroups: bionet.immunology
Subject: Re: Immunodeficient kids needed!
Date: 3 Mar 1994 11:53:22 GMT
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david creery (grad student) (g554061@labsun1.med.uottawa.ca) wrote:
: I am a Pediatric resident working on a PhD in Ottawa. We don't have very
: many immunodeficient children in the area. If anyone knows of a
: collection of children with an immunodeficiency syndrome (e.g.
: Wiskott-Aldrich, Chronic Granulomatous Disease, Chediak-Higashi, SCID
: etc.) I would like to hear about it. We are trying to reconstitute the
: immune system using IL-12, and I would like to try it one some cell
: samples from these kids.

: Thanks.

: David Creery
: aq045@FreeNet.Carleton.ca OR
: g554061@labsun1.med.uottawa.ca

Hi,

Is this some kind of a joke? How can one reconstitute a immune system
using IL12? Wath kind of cell sample this person wants?

johor

From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Wed Mar 02 22:00:00 1994
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From: na@gnome.co.uk (Nigel Appleton)
Subject: IL 1 beta convertase
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I'm posting this for a friend who needs a source of 100 micrograms of
interleukin 1 beta convertase. I should be grareful for any help - please
email replies to na@gnome.co.uk

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Nigel Appleton				      na@gnome.co.uk
Practical Diagnostics                         Tel/Fax: 44 (0)480 471743
25A Huntingdon St, St Neots, Cambridgeshire, PE19 1BG

From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Wed Mar 02 22:00:00 1994
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> 	WHY OH WHY IS IT THAT SOME ARE SO AFFECTED BY THE USE OF ALL 

> CAPITAL LETTERS?  DO YOU FEEL AS THOUGH I AM SHOUTING AT YOU?

> 	WHAT THE HELL DOES IT MATTER?  THIS IS SCIENCE, PEOPLE, DON'T WE 

> HAVE BETTER THINGS TO WORRY ABOUT?  COULDN'T WE LIMIT OURSELVES TO 

> WORTHWHILE  ENDEAVORS, MAYBE EVEN SOLVE A FEW PROBLEMS WHILE WE ARE AT IT?
> 
> 	THIS IS A COMUNICATION NETWORK
> 	

	May be for all those who insist on (intentionally or otherwise)
typing with all UPPERCASE, may be if you type with two line spacing
will make it easy on others to read.
Raj.

From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Wed Mar 02 22:00:00 1994
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From: g554061@labsun1.med.uottawa.ca (david creery (grad student))
Newsgroups: bionet.immunology
Subject: Immunodeficient kids needed!
Date: 3 Mar 1994 03:20:18 GMT
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I am a Pediatric resident working on a PhD in Ottawa. We don't have very
many immunodeficient children in the area. If anyone knows of a
collection of children with an immunodeficiency syndrome (e.g.
Wiskott-Aldrich, Chronic Granulomatous Disease, Chediak-Higashi, SCID
etc.) I would like to hear about it. We are trying to reconstitute the
immune system using IL-12, and I would like to try it one some cell
samples from these kids.

Thanks.

David Creery
aq045@FreeNet.Carleton.ca OR
g554061@labsun1.med.uottawa.ca


From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Wed Mar 02 22:00:00 1994
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From: evargas@SPEEDY.COACADE.UV.MX (Enrique Vargas)
Newsgroups: bionet.immunology
Subject: Phone number
Date: 3 Mar 1994 01:09:25 -0000
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	Hi!
	I want to know if somebody can send me the Tai Te Wu, George Johnson 
or the Kabat database administrators phone number for ask them:
 	When this database is available again by INTERNET?
	Thanks in advance.
*******************************************************************************
* Enrique Vargas-Madrazo                  *  evargas@speedy.coacade.uv.mx     *
*******************************************************************************
* Laboratorio de Biologia Molecular       *  Phone number: (28)125757         *
* e Inmunologia Teorica.                  *  FAX number: (28)125757           *
*******************************************************************************
* Instituto de Investigaciones Biologicas *   Universidad Veracruzana         *
*                                         *   Xalapa, Veracruz; Mexico.       *
*******************************************************************************

From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Wed Mar 02 22:00:00 1994
Path: biosci!MUSIC.FERRIS.EDU!MRYAN
From: MRYAN@MUSIC.FERRIS.EDU ("Ryan, Michael")
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Subject: AZT use during pregnancy
Date: 3 Mar 1994 18:40:22 -0000
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I'm looking for the journal citation to support the 7march1994
Newsweek article entitled "Locking HIV Out of the Womb" by G.Cowley.
If you know, please "zip me a line"! Thanks in advance.

From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Thu Mar 03 22:00:00 1994
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From: txpljfg@UABCVSR.CVSR.UAB.EDU
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Subject: Re: stress hormones and opoptosis
Date: 4 Mar 1994 22:46:32 -0000
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One person who was looking at glucocorticoids and apoptosis a while
back (I don't know if he is still interested in this area) is J. John
Cohen at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center.  You might
try looking up his references to see if there is any thing recent.

good luck


> My first posting to this news group!!!
> 
> 	It was great to finally find this medium to expound on ideas in 
> this exciting field. My research for my academic endeavors focuses within 
> the field of psychoneuroimmunology (PNI). I have a particular interest in 
> glucocorticoids and their influence on opoptosis. I am however, getting 
> bottlenecked for information on programmed cell destruction. Any offered 
> information in this area would be greatly appreciated.
>  
> ****************************************************************************
> 	It is not the goal itself that holds to ultimate
> 	satisfaction. The effort qualifies the outcome!!
> ****************************************************************************
> 	               CWHALE@TRENTU.ON.CA
>  
> 

==============================================================================
James F. George, Ph.D.              "Back off man, I'm a scientist"
Department of Surgery                --Bill Murray
University of Alabama at Birmingham
205-934-4261 voice
txpljfg@uabcvsr.cvsr.uab.edu
===============================================================================

From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Thu Mar 03 22:00:00 1994
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From: cwhale@TrentU.CA (chris whale)
Subject: stress hormones and opoptosis
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My first posting to this news group!!!

	It was great to finally find this medium to expound on ideas in 
this exciting field. My research for my academic endeavors focuses within 
the field of psychoneuroimmunology (PNI). I have a particular interest in 
glucocorticoids and their influence on opoptosis. I am however, getting 
bottlenecked for information on programmed cell destruction. Any offered 
information in this area would be greatly appreciated.
 
****************************************************************************
	It is not the goal itself that holds to ultimate
	satisfaction. The effort qualifies the outcome!!
****************************************************************************
	               CWHALE@TRENTU.ON.CA
 

From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Thu Mar 03 22:00:00 1994
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From: lritter@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Linda M Ritter)
Newsgroups: bionet.immunology
Subject: Need Help Culturing U937 cells
Date: 4 Mar 1994 15:46:36 GMT
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Summary: Tissue culture advice needed


To anyone who can help me:

I am a graduate student at the Ohio State University in the Molecular Genetics
department.  I have had this problem before and have just come up against it
again today.  If anyone could help me it would be greatly appreciated.

When I grow my U937 cells in RPMI with 10% FBS in flasks the grow exceptionally
well and expand quickly.  They all look healthy and the culture is uniform.
However, when I then transfer them to spinner flasks, their growth slows almost
to a stand-still and the culture does not look as uniform as it had.

I gas the flasks when I transfer the cells.  The cultures are not contaminated.

I don't know what causes this.  If anyone could help, please either e-mail me 
at lritter@magnus.ohio-state.edu or post a reply to this usernet.

Thank you for your help.

Linda

From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Thu Mar 03 22:00:00 1994
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From: PAPAGEORGIOU GEORGIOS <gcpap@cyclades.nrcps.ariadne-t.gr>
Newsgroups: bionet.immunology
Subject: INVITATION TO GREEK BIOSCIENTISTS
Date: 4 Mar 1994 06:16:26 -0000
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      * * * * INVITATION TO GREEK BIOLOGICAL SCIENTISTS * * * *

The Institute of Biology of the National Research Center Demokritos in 
Athens, Greece, is interested in compiling a list of Greek research 
scientists working in diverse fields of life sciences who might be 
interested in future staff openings at the Institute. The information 
will be used to formulate the expansion policy of the Institute.

Please send brief memo including name, addresses (postal mail, e-mail,
telefax, telephone), present affiliation and research area. A list of
publications will be helpful.

A rough sketch of research areas in the Institute of Biology includes,
but it is not limited to, the following:

BASIC BIOSCIENCE
Mammalian gene expression; cytokines and oncogenes; human serum growth
factors; cell regulation mechanisms; opioid peptides and receptors;
transmembrane signals; lectines; photosynthesis (function, regulation,
biogenesis); developmental theoretical biology.

APPLIED BIOSCIENCE
Environmental genotoxicity; radiation induced mutations; primary sea
productivity and phytoplanckton; chemical communication of insects
(feromones); management of insect populations; insect ecophysiology; 
insect nutrition; soil microbiology; uptake of radioactive nuclides by 
plants.
  
Please disseminate this information to other interested scientists you 
may know.

Thank you.     

Contact person:
Dr. George C. Papageorgiou, Director
NRC Demokritos, Institute of Biology
Athens, Greece 153 10
_______________________________
Telefax	: (301) 651 1767
Telephone	: (301) 652 2018
E-mail: gcpap@cyclades.nrcps.ariadne-t.gr
_______________________________




From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Thu Mar 03 22:00:00 1994
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From: lritter@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Linda M Ritter)
Newsgroups: bionet.immunology
Subject: Help needed with U937 cells
Date: 4 Mar 1994 17:19:30 GMT
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Summary: Wrong e-mail address given


I omitted part of my e-mail address.  The correct address is

lritter@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

Thank you for the help in answering my question.

Linda

From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Thu Mar 03 22:00:00 1994
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From: ladasky@leland.Stanford.EDU (John Ladasky)
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Subject: Re: Capital Letters
Date: 4 Mar 1994 01:47:18 GMT
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	I didn't read the original objection to all-caps postings, so I
don't know whether the objection was a friendly one.  But this recent 
posting is clearly not friendly.  If a flamewar ensues (in a bionet
newsgroup?), please, let's all be ready to take it to alt.flame.

In article <CM279M.792@ucdavis.edu>,  <szjmahr@othello.ucdavis.edu> wrote
(and I have gratuitously edited his writing):

>	WHY OH WHY IS IT THAT SOME ARE SO AFFECTED BY THE USE OF ALL 
>CAPITAL LETTERS?  DO YOU FEEL AS THOUGH I AM SHOUTING AT YOU?
>
>	how are your eyes?

	This is actually a relevant point.  My eyes find it much easier
to read sentences which include lower case letters.  I think this is 
true for a lot of people... how about you?

>	WHAT THE HELL DOES IT MATTER?  THIS IS SCIENCE, PEOPLE, DON'T WE 
>HAVE BETTER THINGS TO WORRY ABOUT?  COULDN'T WE LIMIT OURSELVES TO 
>WORTHWHILE  ENDEAVORS, MAYBE EVEN SOLVE A FEW PROBLEMS WHILE WE ARE AT IT?
>
>	THIS IS A COMUNICATION NETWORK
>	
>	not a style conference

	Speaking for myself, I'd *prefer* it if I could get at the essence
of something without being sidetracked by the manner of presentation.  And
frequently I can do so where others cannot.  I have been known to argue
rather strenously with relatives and colleagues who believe in "dressing
well." 

	But unfortunately for all of us, even us relatively non-conformist,
high-brain-plasticity science types, style impacts communication.  The par-
ticular style that we prefer may merely be the product of repeated exposure
(I'm not sure there's anything inherent about all-caps being less readable),
but there's no doubt that style impacts people's ability (or willingness)
to listen/read/whatever.  And as the poster from Davis said, this *is* a
communication network.  I wouldn't consider it impolite to ask someone to
try to make it easier for me to understand their writing.  It will make
it easier to focus on those "worthwhile endeavors" and to "solve a few
problems."

					Just another radical Berkeley
					undergrad who somehow wound up
						at Stanford, 


					      - John Ladasky



From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Fri Mar 04 22:00:00 1994
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From: dexper@WRAIR-EMH1.ARMY.MIL
Newsgroups: bionet.immunology
Subject: re: stress hormones and apoptosis
Date: 5 Mar 1994 03:09:46 -0000
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  J. John Cohen has a review of programmed cell death in Advances in Immu-
nology vol. 50 p. 55-85, 1991.  Other reviews include: Arends, M.J. and 
Wyllie, A.H., Int. Rev. Exp. Pathol. 32:223 (1991), Marrack et al., Immunol.
Rev. 133:119 (1993), Cohen, J.J., Hospital Practice Dec. 15, 1993 p. 35,  
Martin, S.J. et al., Trends in Biochemical Sci. 19:26, 1994, Taylor, R.,
J. NIH Research 5:59 (1993).  There are two articles in the 20 Jan 1994
Nature on the role of the orphan steroid hormone receptor Nur77 in apoptosis
of T cells.  
                                          Jack Komisar
                                          Dexper@Wrair-emh1.army.mil


From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Fri Mar 04 22:00:00 1994
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I've been given a reference:

Fieldman RG, Fleer A. The Immune response of the Group B Streptococcus.
Rev Med Microbiol 1992;3:488-490.

Can anybody give me any information about this, such as where I can find it,
and the full name of the publication?


Thanking you in advance.

-- 
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From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Fri Mar 04 22:00:00 1994
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From: vrdiderr@utkvx.utk.edu
Subject: RE: Invasion by unknown organism
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Date: Sat, 5 Mar 1994 07:16:37 GMT

In Article <CLsE52.9t6@festival.ed.ac.uk>
p92126@cplab.ph.ed.ac.uk (James Talbot) writes:

>If the body developes a disease, is there anyway of identifying
>the culprit responsible, without any information about 
>the organism.
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If the host dies, a Pathologist can almost always find out via bacterial
cultures, virus isolation and histopath.

			
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From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Sat Mar 05 22:00:00 1994
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  The full title of this journal is Reviews in Medical Microbiology.  it
looks like smaller libraries don't have it.  It is in the Cambridge Univer-
sity library.  Maybe you can get it by interlibrary loan.
                                             Jack Komisar
                                             dexper@wrair-emh1.army.mil


From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Sat Mar 05 22:00:00 1994
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From: rgarcia@sun.cis.smu.edu (Ryan Garcia)
Subject: information
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 I do not want to be bothersome by posting to this newsgroup several
times, so I am asking that someone please give me the information that I
am requesting. I need to find: 1) Archive Copy of The FAQ'S of the newsgroup
                               2) Charter of Newsgroup
                                   a) Statement of Purpose
                                   b) FTP Archive Site
                                   c) Significant Topics covered in the group

 This will save your time by not having to read anymore of my postings
about such information and save my time by not having to post and ask for
such information. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

                                             Thank you,
                                                Ryan



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From: rgarcia@sun.cis.smu.edu (Ryan Garcia)
Subject: information
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 I do not want to be bothersome by posting to this newsgroup several
times, so I am asking that someone please give me the information that I
am requesting. I need to find: 1) Archive Copy of The FAQ'S of the newsgroup
                               2) Charter of Newsgroup
                                   a) Statement of Purpose
                                   b) FTP Archive Site
                                   c) Significant Topics covered in the group

 This will save your time by not having to read anymore of my postings
about such information and save my time by not having to post and ask for
such information. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

                                             Thank you,
                                                Ryan


From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Sun Mar 06 22:00:00 1994
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From: schuette@quip.eecs.umich.edu (R. Wade Schuette)
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Subject: Any evidence Communicable Immunity?
Date: 7 Mar 1994 07:50:28 GMT
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This may be a dumb question, and I apologize if it's emotionally
charged, but I'm working on a paper on adaptive systems and came
across this question that I really had no idea about;

After fetal development and breast-feeding, which have obvious
mechanisms, is there any evidence for communication between immune
systems directly of working responses against pathogens?

I'm interested in plants as well as animals, and secondarily in
signalling mechanisms to invoke existing responses, but primarily
in solution of the problem in one immune system and transmission
of that answer to other immune systems, a human counterpart of 
Multiple Drug Resistant exchange of attacking/defense strategies.

Obviously people with labs and hypodermics can facilitate such 
exchanges, ala "immunizations".  But what occurs "naturally"?

Anecdotal information, blue-sky speculation, as welcome as 
peer-reviewed journal references.  Theoretical arguements why
this might, Must, Can't possibly occur also welcome.

E-mail long stuff or flame-war bait, and I'll preprocess and
post the results or summarize the structure of the thinking.

Basically, one way to look at this is, besides Acquired Immune
Deficits, are there Acquired Immune Strengths?



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From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Sun Mar 06 22:00:00 1994
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From: tsornas@dbmdec5.ulb.ac.be (Thierry Sornasse)
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Subject: Nude mice: immune defects other than T cells ?
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Hi Immunenetters,

I study the possible influence of T cells on the maturation of DC. Since Nude
mice have a little number of fonctionnal T cells, I work with type of mice.
Although, I am wondering if the Nude mutation has other affects on other cells
type of the immune system.

I know that some authors suggest that B cells of Nu/Nu mice are not normal but is
there any evidence for that ?
I would like also to know if other cell types like monocytes/macrophages,
granulocytes, NK cells, mastocytes are affected by the Nu mutation ?

Thank you in advance for your help

Bye

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From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Mon Mar 07 22:00:00 1994
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From: dmoregan@genpharm.com ("Donna Munoz O'Regan")
Newsgroups: bionet.immunology
Subject: ELISA MICROPLATE WASHERS
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                                GenPharm Memoo
                                          Subject:
                                          ELISA MICROPLATE WASHERS
                                           Date:            Time:
                                          3.8.94            12:46 PM
Hi, 
We're looking into buying an ELISA microplate washer which will wash multiple
plates.  They're called stackers.   And I've found only a few out there, Denley,
Titertek.  Does anyone have one of these plate stacker washers?  Do you like it?
Are there any other vendors you know about and can you email their names and
telephone numbers?
Thanks very much.
Donna.

email:  dmoregan@genpharm.com

my opinions only, if you want one you have to get your own, or at least and pi
and an onion.


From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Mon Mar 07 22:00:00 1994
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From: brambl@graz.cbs.umn.edu (Robert Brambl)
Subject: search for cyclosporin A
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Hello, all:

We are attempting to find a source of cyclosporin A or FK506 for a study  
of mitochondrial membrane proteins in Neurospora.  ICN sold cyclosporin  
until recently, but they no longer have it available.  It would be helpful  
to receive either vendor information or the name of the manufacturer. 

Thanks and best wishes.

Robert Brambl
University of Minnesota
brambl@molbio.cbs.umn.edu

From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Mon Mar 07 22:00:00 1994
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From: acc4636@tamsun.tamu.edu (Anthony C.)
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Subject: Opinions on whether TH1 and TH2 cell types originate from TH0
Date: 8 Mar 1994 14:32:52 -0600
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Hello, I am wondering what peoples opinions are on the idea that TH1 and TH2
phenotypes that are localized in an infection are a result of differentiation
of the TH0 phenotype.  Also, what are your feelings on a good definition of
TH1 and TH2 phenotypes.  While the original definition was characterized
by multiple cytokines, it seems that more and more papers are focusing 
just on Il4 and Il-10 to demonstrate a TH2 phenotype and Il-2 and IFN-gamma
to demonstrate a Th1 phenotype.  Also, some labs use an Il-4/IFN-gamma
ratio rather than absolute numbers as a measure of the phenotype since
most cells secrete at least a little of both.  
     There is a lot of evidence to support the TH0---> Th1/Th2 concept
(but I dont have citations with me) and it seems to make sense in the same
way that monocytes are present in the blood stream and localize to tissue
and differentiate into macrophages. 
    I hope that this can spark some kind of discussion to liven up the group. 

From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Mon Mar 07 22:00:00 1994
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From: nmenoux@univ-rennes1.fr (Nicolas Menoux)
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							  Nicholas MENOUX
							  10, rue Michelet
							  F35700 RENNES
							  FRANCE
							  Phone: (33)99368508
                                                            Fax: (33)99286957
							  Mar.7  1994

Hello !

To be honest, I must say that I am quite desperate . Why ?
It is a long time I've been looking for a full time or contract
positions within immunology laboratories but it still doesn't
work ! It is true that I've no educational immunology background but as I am
very inquiring spirit and very motivated, I've read lots of book,
articles, discuss with many immunologists, that's why I can say now that
I am a 'good' novice in that domain. I do not pretend to work of course
as a high skilled researcher in immunology but I think that my computing
background and experience could be a good contribution to many immunology
research programs. I am really interested in switching in this research
field, especially in TCells and MHC molecules, HIV,...

I really want to work for researchers by designing and carrying out
graphic tools systems with PCs or workstations like sparc, RS/6000,etc..
I am motivated to learn immunology technics and knowledge and help
researchers in their works.  I have a strong interest in Image (3D, 2D).
I think I have a good Graphic interface background with numerous platforms
like OpenLook, XWindow, MS-Windows, GKS. Moreover, my educational background in
harware could be a plus to develop some new devices in order to improve
Human-Machine interface in immunology like virtual realities (example: travel
inside the human body and analyse, modelize Cells receptors - paratope/epitope
, carry out 3D animations to improve communication impact during conferences,
and so on...)

As you can see, I have the research feeling and I am always fascinated
in working for research. I got my Master degree in Computer Science and
Electrical Engineering from Engineer School, Nantes University - FRANCE.
I am quick at learning, hard working, results oriented and really creative.
I think the combination of knowledges in both programming and Image with
training and experience will enable me to make contribution to your laboratory. 

	The following is what I am familiar with

   * C, C++, Fortran, Pascal and Visual-Basic  
   * Sun OpenWindows, MS-Windows 3.1, X-WINDOW, GKS, ...
   * Unix SunOs, AIX, MS-Dos 6.0     
   * 3D Image, ray-tracing, ... 
   * MS-Word, FrameMaker, Ventura-Publisher   

My resume is enclosed for your reference. Thank you for considering my
qualifications for any potential position. Please call or e-mail me 
if I can provide any additional information.


Sincerely,


Nicholas MENOUX

===============================================================================

			       NICHOLAS MENOUX

      Current address:
      10, rue Michelet
      F35700 RENNES
      FRANCE
      Phone: (33)99368508
        Fax: (33)99286957
      E-mail: nmenoux@univ-rennes1.fr


      Date of birth: 01/25/69
      Nationality: French
      Marital Status: Single
      Languages spoken: English (TOEFL 567), German, French




			   EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND
			   ======================

1990-1992  Three-year course in IRESTE (University of Nantes - Graduate 
	   School of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science)
	   MS CS/EE : Diploma obtained in June 1992

1988-1989  Two-year preparation school in depth math & physics courses 
	   (intensive preparation for the competitive entrance examination 
	   giving access to advanced national schools of engineering)

1987       Baccalaureat C (French equivalent to the Higher Leaving 
	   Certificate, math and physics, with scientific orientation)



				 ABILITIES
				 =========

		       * Sense of Creativity 
		       * Resourcefulness and Adaptation
Operating Systems:     DOS, MS Windows, Unix, Aix, ...
Graphic Interfaces:    Windows, X-Window, GKS, Phigs, Openview, Sunview, ...
Languages:             C, C++, Pascal, SQL, Visual Basic, ...
MicroP:                68000, 80x86, 6502, ...



			  PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUND
			  =======================

1993       Project of Genealogy research programm with MS-Windows and
           Borland C++ : (graphic interface, easy to use, powerful tree
           drawing, ...) Contacts with french firm to commercialize it
           in France.       

1992       IBM France (Montpellier). Six-month industrial training period as
	   a local area network administrator in the Advanced Techniques 
	   Group. I was responsible for 20 Xstations, 6 PS2 and 3 RS/6000 
	   workstations under AIX 3.2 and TCP/IP protocols. I designed an 
	   Xwindow module in order to facilitate LAN administration. 
	   Moreover, I made a close study of external connections on Internet 
	   with X.25 protocols (IP encapsulated).

1992       Real-time application in VxWorks environment. I set a real-time 
	   speed control up in a distributed architecture with a Sun Sparc 
	   and two 68030 VME cards. The Sun workstation was used to design 
	   the speed graph (Sunview) and both VME cards to control the motor.

1992       I carried out a graphic program to assist researchers in spectrum 
	   analysis. (Atomic and Molecular Physics Department - University 
	   of Rennes - France)

1991       Two-month industrial training period with the S2HF research 
	   laboratory in Nantes. This laboratory works on Hyper-frequency 
	   for radar measurements. I made an easy and interactive interface 
	   to visualize 2D & 3D hyper-frequency images.

1991       Communication project selected by the Telesystems Institute of 
	   Paris. I presented my project in May 1991 in M.I.T and Boston 
	   Communication School.

1990       Industrial training period with La Telephonie Centrale 
	   (French Telephone Company which marketed Numeris(ISDN) telephone). 
	   I designed and carried out a local area network to facilitate 
	   interdepartment communication inside the company. I used 
	   Dbase III+ with DBcom option module and LAN servers.

1988-1989  I designed my own 1200 bps server at home on Apple //c. It was 
	   based on the modem card of the well-known french terminal : 
	   MINITEL.

1987       One-month training period with GRAVI Production (French company 
	   specialized in Image Synthesis and 3D animation). I made a program 
	   on Apple //c to preview 3D wire frames and a serial link to the 
	   main graphic server.

1984       I designed a video-game in 6502 machine code on Oric Atmos.
	   It was selected by LORICIELS french video-game editor.

1983       I designed my first video-game "CANADA" on ORIC-1.
	   It was commercialized by MICROLOGIC, a french video-game editor.


				   MISCELLANEOUS
				   =============

	   * Numerous travels all around the World (USA, Russia, European 
	     and Eastern countries, ...)
	   * Participate in different school newspapers
           * Arabic Calligraphy.
	   * Black & White photographs, Drawing
	   * Squash

From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Mon Mar 07 22:00:00 1994
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Subject: Omaha Project
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From: vengeance@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
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   I am trying to build a list of names and E-Mail addresses of
people in the Omaha Nebraska area for a school related project.
   If you live in Omaha or go to school there or know someone
that does and will be around for three months or more, please
reply via E-Mail to Vengeance@vax1.mankato.msus.edu.

Thank you very much!

Ryan Krueger

From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Mon Mar 07 22:00:00 1994
Path: biosci!infomed.sld.cu!monoclon
From: monoclon@infomed.sld.cu (Ctro Inmunologia Molecular)
Newsgroups: bionet.immunology
Subject: AABOUT THE CENTER OF MOLECULAR IMMUNOLOGY, HAVANA, CUBA
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WHAT IS CIM THE CENTER OF MOLECULAR IMMUNOLOGY (CIM) is a research -
production institution with more than 60 scientists and engineers, devoted
to basic research and product development in the fields of monoclonal
antibodies and cancer vaccines.
 
THE WORLD SCIENCE CONTEXT
 
Molecular immunology is just emerging and opening enormous new
possibilities of applications. This is because it is the uncoding of an
information system.
Somewhere in the sixties, molecular genetics started to discover the
organization and functioning of the information pieces stored in DNA,
and the relationships between this information and the biological
experiences of the species. Nowadays a second information system (the immune
system) is being well understood and this system, beyond the biological
experience of the species, stores the individual experience coded on a
repertoire of protein receptors. When one realizes that the potential diversity
of only the antibody repertoire is calculated to be near 10X30 it is clear that
we have barely started to take the first steps inside the possibilities of
such an eficient molecule invention machinery.
Molecular Immunology is a field of interphases. It is a mixture of Immunology,
Molecular Biology, Cell Culture, Fermentation, Pharmacology, Clinical expertise and so
on. Success depends not only on how in depth one can go in any of these
disciplines, but also on how to mix knowledge across disciplines borders.
That is what CIM is doing.
 
THE NATIONAL CONTEXT
 
Biotechnology was identified as a national priority by the cuban
government early in the eighiies . Big investments have been
performed to create new scientific institutions, scale up facilities,
nation wide laboratory networks and commercial enterprises.This
emerging Biotechnology industry profited the enormous investment
previously made in education, scientific research and public health.
The most well known investment of the nascent biotechnology industry is what
is called The West Havana Scientific Pole: it is a zone of the town where more
than 20 scientific centers and production facilhies are located near each other.
 
One of them is The Center of Molecular Immunology.
CIM is located near The Finlay Institute for vaccine production, The Center of
Genetic Engineering and Biotechnology, Center of Medical and Surgical Research,
The Center of Immunoassay, The Faculty of Pharmaceutical Sciences, the Faculty
of Medicine, among others.
 
CIM has promoted the creation of monoclonal antibody laboratories inside the
Faculties of Medicine in 13 out of 14 provinces of the country. This is a nation
wide network which increases research capahilities and also guarantees practical
uses of MAb based products.
 
HISTORY OF CIM.
 
The Center of Molecular Immunology is a new ins~tution, that
gathers an experienced scientific staff in the field of monoclonal antibodies.
 
The senior staff of CIM is a group of scientists which started working in the
seventies in the experimental research division
of the National Institute of Oncology and Radiobiology ()INOR) . At
that time the control of cell proliferation, immunology of lyrnphomas and
screening of new immunomodulators were the main fields of research . They also
camed out research on horrnone receptors and growth factors in cancer. World on
monoclonal antibodies (MAbs started in 1981. One of the first INOR MAbs, an
anti T lymphocyte (CD6 antibody) was used in vivo for the treatment of lymphoma
akeady in 1984.
In the second half of the eighties research on monoclonal antibodies becarne one of the
Institute's priorities.
 
A new clinical trial using anti CD3 antibody as immunosuppressor in organ
transplantation started in 1987. The product was registered in Cuba in 1989.
At that time, space and equipment limitations prevented further scaling-up MAb
production.
 
Therefore, in 1990, CIM was decided to be created gathering the majority of the previous
INOR experimental research staff and also hiring other scientists and engineers with
experience in Fermentation, Scale up production and Quality Control Programs.
Building of new facilities started in 1991.
 
THE STAFF.
The permanent staff of CIM consists 62 scientists and engineers,
directly involved in research and production. Most of them have
received training in Europe, mainly in Sweden, France, Germany,
U.K., and Holland.
 
The 29 scientists that conform the core group of this staff have been working
together for more than 10 years.
 
There has been an effort to keep the staff highly heterogeneous in professional
background.
 
Medical Doctors..6
Physics......4
Biologists......1
Chemists.....6
Biochemists..20
Veterinary Doctors..2
Engineers...........9
 
Managing positions are currently occupied by:
 
       Director:
       Dr. Agustin Lage, Ph.D.
 
       Vice-Director of Research & Development:
       Dr. Rolando Perez, Ph.D.
 
       Vice-Director of Production:
       Eng. Joaqu!n Vill n, Ph.D.
 
       Quality Assurance Dept.:
       Dr. Teresita Rodriguez, Ph.D.
 
THE FACILITIES
 
 The new facility of CIM is a 12 000 sqm building. The ground floor
 was built according to the principle of box into box. The core units
are the cell culture, fermentation and purification areas. They are
surrounded by a clean hall which cornmunicates through air locks with
peripheric laboratories for research diagnostic production and quality control
department. The second floor is for technical services and administration.
 
A system for filtered air at 9 diferent pressure levels guarantees class 10 000
and class 100 000 in 560 sqm areas respectively. Cleanest operations are performed
in class 100 stations inside class 10 000 rooms.
 
The building is supplied by 5 water loops of different qualities from normal
sanitary water up to "water for injection". Gas, waste treatmentt and "cleaning
in place" services are also provided.
 
Up stream production flows through three paralell ways: Mouse ascites, hollow
fiber bioreactors and stirred tank fermenters.
 
Down strearn purification consises of concentrative filtration followed by different
chromatographic steps  (i.e.ion exchange, affinity)
 
A computer network connects all units for collection and processing of production
data, and scientific information.
 
The facility allows to produce Monoclonal Antibodies up to Kilogram levels and to
handle more than 100 cell strains. It has been built according to current GMP guidelines
for manufacturing products intended for human use.
 
CURRENT WORK FIELD.
 
There are three levels of activity according to development stage of
products and results:
. mature product research
y Developing products
y Basic research.
 
Mature products are those with enough evaluation to be given to other Institutions.
They currently are:
 
y a panel of monoclonal antibodies for immunophenotyping of leukocyte subpopulations.
y a panel of monoclonal antibodies for tumor diagnosis.
y a panel of monoclonal antibodies for research
y ELISA systems for carcinoembryonic antigen determination in serum and Hb detection in
stool.
y purified gangliosides
y a monoclonal antibody for intravenous application as an irnmunosuppresor, in
the prevention and treatment of rejection crisis in organ transplantation.
Several scientific and medical instilutions participate in research projects for
further evaluation of usefulness of these products. Participation of new
institutions is wellcome.
 
Developing products are in turn at different levels of preclinical and clinical evaluation
and they include:
 
y Two new monoclonal antibodies for the treatment of Iymphomas and epidermoid
carcinomas.
 
y Three new radioactive monoclonal antibodies for tumor imaging.
 
y new tumor marker Elisa systems.
 
y new monoclonal antibodies for immunohistochemistry.
 
Basic research proJects concentrate in the idea of breaking tolerance to self antigens
expressed in malignant tumors.
Gangliosides and Epidermal Growth Factor receptor are the two main models. New
antiidiotypic antibodies are also being investigated.
 
LOOKING FOR PARTNERS.
 
CIM actively promotes international cooperation. Science today
requires not only intelligent production of new knowledge but also
intelligent "recombination" of the existing one. As in gene evolution,
"recombination"  is a source of new traits that is as important as new
information. Several different cooperation modalities can be considered:
 
y joint research projects.
 
y cooperation in the generation of a new hybridoma
 
y cooperation in scaling up the production of an existing hybridoma
 
y  joint development of a new MAb based product
 
y research cooperation in some of the CIM products
 
y joint chnical trials
 
The reader of this brochure has now enough information to asses if his Institution has
areas of overlapping interests and if a cooperation meeting is worth to be promoted.
 
 
HOW TO CONTACT US:
 
Center of Molecular immunology.
PO.BOX: 16040. Havana 11600, CUBA.
Fax 53-7-33 35 09
    53-7-335049
E.Mail: monoclon@infomed.sld.cu
With US the best way is electronic mail!!!!!!
 
 

From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Tue Mar 08 22:00:00 1994
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   Cyclosporin A is manufactured by Sandoz Pharma LTD in Basle, Switzerland
and is distributed in the U.S. by Sandoz Pharmaceuticals Corp, East Hanover,
NJ 07936.  When I wanted to use cyclosporine in research, I had to get it
through a hospital that is connected to our institute, since the amount I
needed was too small for them to sell to me.

                                   Jack Komisar
                                   dexper@wrair-emh-1.army.mil


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From: gorska@camtwh.eric.on.ca (Barbara Gorska)
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Hi!
I am not sure if this is the right place to post such a query,
but I have exhausted all other sources.
I am a hospital-based health sciences librarian and  I was asked
by one of our doctors if there is a connection 
between amputation of the upper limb and osteoarthritis in the
other upper limb. Can anybody give me any suggestions how to
approach this problem? 

Thank you
Barbara Gorska
gorska@camtwh.eric.on.ca


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From: tsornas@dbmdec5.ulb.ac.be (Thierry Sornasse)
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Subject: Re: Opinions on whether TH1 and TH2 cell types originate from TH0
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Hi Immunonetters,

The discrimination between Th1 and Th2 phenotypes was established from data about
T cell clones derived from mice. With this background, it is possible to
characterize individual cells. Although, if you look in vivo, the image you will
get is quite more confuse. Moreover, the studies made in human suggest strongly
that the simple scheme of Th1/Th2 is rather difficult to apply. 
On the other hand, if you focus your attention on global response and not on
single cells, I think that it is possible to characterize either Th1 like
response or Th2 like response. In each case the cytokines and the effectors
implied in hte response will be different, altho!ugh  with some overlapping. 
I think that in the scope of therapy, the global evaluation of Th1/Th2 balance 
should lead to better results than the fine description of individual clones. 
I think that is one of the reason why immunologist look only to specific
cytokines like IL4,IL10,IL2 and IFNg. The detection of these cytokines is
sufficient to predict with a good confidence the type of response studied.

About the hypothesis that Th1 and Th2 are the result of the differentiation of
Th0, I am convince that is the best way to describe the regulation of the immune
response with the present background. 
This hypothesis fit perfectly in vitro experiments (patterns of cytokines
secreted by T cells which have been activated once or twice).
The paper of the team of A. O'Garra about the role of macrophages and dendritic 
cells in the differentiation of Th1 clones from naive T cells confirms this
hypothesis. In fact, you need both DC and Mac to get a optimal Th1
differentiation. DC activate naive T cells but do not trigger the differentiation
of Th1, while Mac do not activate naive T cells but trigger the differentiation
of Th1 by secreting IL12. In other words, DC would allow the activation of Th0
and Mac would allow the differentiation of activated Th0 to Th1.
In vivo, the situation seems to be more complicated. If you consider an adult
human, his immune system is not naive. Thus, there could be some memory T cells
that are already shifted to Th1 or to Th2.

In conclusion, I could say that the relevance of the Th1/Th2 discrimination
depends on the scale at which you study the immune system: the model fits well to
a global scale but the at the clonal scale the model is practically useless.

Best regards

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From: hkatz@nucmed.med.nyu.edu (Henry Katz)
Subject: HSV meningitis
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Could anyone give me references and or groups conducting inquiries into
the following topic:

What are the factors responsible for the retrograde propagation in
normal non-immunocompromised individuals of HSV after an anterograde
topical herpetic lesion outbreak leading to meningitis?

If any interest I can refer you to workers currently treating such a 
patient.

TIA,

hek 
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From: Graham Pawelec <olxpa01@mailserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de>
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Subject: EUCAMBIS
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With this posting, allow me to introduce a new initiative of the 
European Union (EU), scheduled to start at the beginning of April 1994,
called EUCAMBIS (= EU Concerted Action on the Molecular Biology of
Immunosenescence), of which I am the coordinator. This is one of a large
series of EU concerted actions covering many areas of biomedical science.
The concept of the concerted action is simply that it should be a
mechanism to facilitate the collaboration of different groups (in Europe)
on particular areas of research. In our case, we are concentrating on
immunosenescence of the T cell, employing an interdisciplinary approach
to define genetic events correlating with altered immune functioning
in aged individuals. This research network will bring together molecular
biologists, gerontologists and immunologists to study T cell function
in healthy aged people, patients with progeroid syndromes and other 
genetic diseases known or suspected to manifest accelerated senescence
phenotypes, and to compare these with events occuring in vitro in a long-
term culture model of T cell ageing. The expression of growth arrest-
specific genes, known tumor-suppressor genes and cell cycle control genes
will be investigated in these materials and correlated to cellular
immunological function of the cells. We will attempt to isolate novel
genes that are upregulated during ageing and to identify senescence-
inducing genes or those that contribute actively to the senescent phenotype.
Molecular data will be correlated with alterations of function assesssed
by cytokine gene transcription and protein secretion, development of
cytotoxicity or suppressor capacity. The relationship, if any, between 
senescence programs and those involved in the special type of T cell
growth arrest designated "anergy" will be investigated.

Obviously, such a project covers a multitude of sins, and we expect to
have to play it by ear. I am particularly keen to hear from non-European
scientists interested in any of these areas (but also of course,
European workers as well) to start a dialogue on these aspects of 
immunogerontological research. In an attempt to broaden potential
collaboration from its purely European (and small!) base, I am particularly
interested to hear from any non-European scientists who might like to
work with us for a year or so in Tuebingen (small medieval south-west German
University city near Lake Constance, the Alps and the Black Forrest) 
on this project. We would have to obtain dedicated funding for these persons, 
but clearly I would assist in the preparation of any applications for funding 
fellowships, stipendia etc. 

Please feel free to contact me on the any of the above points, or to
request further information on any particular component.

With best regards to all readers of this notice,
 
Graham

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Summary: Growing U937 cells

Thank you to all who responded to my request for help growing U937 cells in 
spinner flasks.  My cells are a variant that do not attach to a substrate but 
grow in suspension.

I appreciated the responses and solutions offered.  This was my first post to 
this newsgroup and was pleased by the warm response.

Thanks again.

Linda

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IMMUNOTHERAPY IN THE NINETIES:
The impact of molecular immunology in the treatment
of cancer and autoimmune diseases
 
International Workshop
Center of Molecular Immunology
Havana City, Cuba
May 16-20, 1994
SPONSORED BY:
PAN-AMERICAN
HEALTH ORGANIZATION
 
 
T H I R D   A N N O U N C E M E N T
 
I.- MEETING COMPOSITION
 
In the previous 2nd Announcement, the organizing committe advanced some ideas
about the reasons for this meeting, the topics to be discussed and the
fundamental questions to be addressed. These ideas were well received by the
scientific community active in the field.
 
Up to now, the following scientists have expressed intention to participate:
 
List of Invited Speakers
 
             NAME                COUNTRY               POSITION
 
1. Prof. Peter Biberfeld         Sweden        Head, Lab of Immunopathology,
                                                   Karolinska Institute.
 
2. Prof. G. Dighiero             France        Chief,  Service of Immunohematology and
                                               Immunopathology.
                                               Pasteur Institute.
 
3. Dr. James Larrick            USA            Scientific Director, Palo Alto Institute
                                               for Molecular                                                                           Medicine.
 
4. Prof. Jesper Zeuthen         Denmark        Head, Department of Tumor Cell
                                               Biology, The Fibiger Institute,                                                          Danish Cancer Center.
 
5. Prof. Philip                 USA            Head, Clinical Livingston Immunology Service,
                                               Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer                                                                        Center.
 
6. Prof. Willian J.  Harris     UK             President and Chief
   Harris                                      Scientific Officer, Scotgen                                                                                         Biopharmaceuticals.
 
7. Prof. Sherie L.              USA            Chairman and Profesor,
   Morrison                                    Dept. of Microbiology and Genetics
                                               UCLA, University of California.
 
8. Dr. Dan Holmberg             Sweden         Chief, Dept. for Cell and Molecular Biology.  University                                                            of Umea.
 
9. Dr. Tadashi Tai              Japan          Chief of Dept. of Tumor Immunology.
                                               Tokyo Metropolitan Institute of Medical Science.
 
10. Prof. Donald Marcus         USA            Chief, Section on Rheumatic Diseases.
                                               Baylor College of Medicine.
 
11. Dr. Jacques                 France         Director of  Research
   Portoukalian                                Inserm. Institut National de nti et de la Recherche
                                               Modicale
 
12. Prof. Carlos                Spain           Director, Centro de Biologia Molecular
    Martinez                                    Universidad Autonoma de Madrid.
 
13. Dr. Andrew                  UK              Senior Scientist
    Griffiths                                   Medical Research Council (MRC), Cambridge Centre
                                                for Protein Engineering.
 
14. Dr. Heinz Kohler           USA             Medical Doctor, Ph.D. University of Kentuchy.
 
15. Dr. Jacques Aubry          France          Senior Scientist. University of  Nantes.
                                               Institut National de la                                                                 Santi et de la
                                               Recherche Midicale.
 
16. Dra. Cecilia                Chile          Head of the Immunology
    Sepulveda                                  Unit. University of Chile.
 
17. Dra. Christiane             Argentina      Head, Dpt. Medicine
    Dosne                                      National Academy of Medicine.
                                               Buenos Aires.
 
18. Dr. Agustin Lage           Cuba            Director. Center of Molecular Immunology
 
19. Dr. Rolando Perez          Cuba            Research Director Center of Molecular
                                                Immunology.
 
20. Dr. Luis Fernandez         Cuba            Head of Immunochemistry
                                               Lab. Center of Molecular Immunology.
 
21. Dr. Jorge Gavilondo        Cuba            Head of the Diagnostic Division. Center of
                                               Genetic Engineering and Biotechnology.
 
22. Dr. Carlos Garcia          Cuba            Head of the Clinical Immunology Lab.
                                               National Institute of Oncology and Radiobiology.
 
23. Dr. Gustavo Sierra         Cuba            Vice-President. Finlay Institute.
 
 
Representations of scientific journals are also being invited.
 
The meeting will gather around 50 people, in a context adequate  for intensive
discussion.
 
II.- MEETING ORGANIZATION
 
In the previous 2nd announcement, the organizers advanced several questions
around which discussions could be focussed.
 
These were:
 
Is it practically possible to re-program the adult immune system for
recognizing tumors as "nonself"?
 
Which  molecules could be the best targets for an autoimmune rejection of
tumors? Can growth factors and growth factor receptors be presented as
autoantigens?
 
Which ways are available today to modify presentation of tumor-associated
antigens?
 
Is it possible to induce a mature response (high affinity antibodies produced
by conventional B cells in germinal centers) to T-independent self-antigens?
Can the conventional B cell repertoire be induced to react to the antigens of
the B-CD5+ repertoire?
 
What experimental strategies can be designed in order to identify meaningful
cross-reactive idiotopes on human V-regions and to evaluate the clinical
significance of their measurement?
 
Can idiotypic connectivity be artificially manipulated (increased or
decreased) in the adults central immune system? Which would be the predicted
outcomes of such an intervention? Is it possible to design a laboratory test
for the measurement of idiotypic connectivity in adult humans?
 
Is it possible to design a laboratory test for measuring the reduction of
diversity that take place in the B-CD5+ repertoire during aging? Can this
reduction of diversity be related to the increase in the incidence of tumors
and autoimmune disease with aging?
 
What is the predictable impact of antibody engineering technology on the
therapeutic efficacy of monoclonal antibodies?
 
What is the role of B-1a (CD5+), B-1b (sister) and B-conventional lymphocyte
subpopulations in the immune response to tumor antigens?
 
Which procedures can be designed today in order to induce (or suppress)
specifically selected idiotypes in the adults repertoire?
 
These questions are still non-operational. It is, they can not be directly
translated into experiments to answer them.
 
This is  surely a very difficult task. In fact, the formulation of the critical
questions which are both meaningful and experimentally  accesible is the core
of scientific creativity.
 
Immunology is full of non-operational concepts. For items such as network
antigen, self-related antigen, regulatory idiotope, suppresor clone, idiotypic
conectivity, and many others there is not a clear-cut experiment to define it.
 
The therapeutic manipulation of the repertoire of immune receptors in order to
reprogram the system to reject new antigens (cancer) or to accept other ones
(autoimmune diseases, organ transplantation), is a very appealing idea.
 
If the meeting is able:
 
to define each concept in operational (experimentally accessible) terms,
 
to decompose each question into questions susceptible to be addressed through
an experiment,
 
then meeting would have contributed to the advancement of "Immunotherapy in
the Nineties".
 
The organization of the meeting has been conceived to create possibilities for
this intellectual enterprise.
 
The following is a preliminary Program. Any suggestion of participants about
this preliminary Program will be highly appreciated and taken into account.
 
 
PRELIMINARY PROGRAM
 
 
MONDAY 16
Morning
 
9:00    . Wellcome speech
          Dr. Miguel Marquez
          Head of WHO/PAHO
          Office in Havana.
 
        . Acreditation of
          participants.
 
        . Overview of facilities
	  of the Center of
          Molecular Immunology.
 
 10:30 . Coffee Break
 
11:00 . Opening Conference.
          Fundamental obstacles
          for a rational thera-
          peutic manipulation of the
          repertoire of immune
          receptors.
          Dr. Agustmn Lage
          (Cuba)
 
12:00 . Discussion
 
 
1:00  . Lunch
                                                                                                                    identification of
                                                                                               human diseases
 
 
 
MONDAY 16						 
Afternoon						
Chairman: Dr. Cristina Mateo
 
2:00	. Enhancement of Antibody
	  Function.
	  Dr. Sherie L. Morrison 
	  (USA)
 
2:30	. Discussion
 
3:00	. Production of Humanised
	  Monoclonal Antibodies
	  for in vivo imaging and
	  therapy.
	  Dr. W.J. Harris (UK)
 
3:30	. General Discussion
 
4:00	. Coffee Break
 
4:30	. Monoclonal Antibodies from
	  combinatorial immunoglobulin
	  libraries. Prospects and 
	  current limitations.
	  Dr. Donald Marcus (USA)
 
5:00	. Discussion
 
5:30	. Antibody engineering. New
	  perspectives.
	  Dr. Andrew Griffiths (UK)
 
6:00	. Discussion
 
TUESDAY 17
Morning
Chairman: Dr. Amparo Macmas
 
9:00    . Natural Antibodies.
          Dr. G. Dighiero
          (France)                                                                            ven clone selection, affinity
 
 
9:30    . Discussion
10:00 . Coffee Break		
 
10:30 . Natural Antibodies,
        effective B-Cell
        repertoire develop-
        ment and autoimmune
        pathogenesis.
        Dr. Dan Holmberg
	   (Sweden)
 
11:00 . Discussion			
 
11:30 . Current status of
        idiotypic vaccines
        for  cancer therapy.
        Heinz Kohler
        (USA)
 
 
12:00 . Discussion
		
1:00    . Lunch                                                                                                internal world seems to
 
TUESDAY 17
Afternoon
Chairman: Dr. Amparo Macias
 
2:00  . MRL/lpr A5 a model for
        developing and testing
        models in immunotherapy.
        Dr. Carlos Martinez
          (Spain)
 
2:30	. Discussion
 
3:00	. The EGF-system as a 
	  target of cancer 
	  immunotherapy.
          Dr. Agustin Lage (Cuba)
 
3:30	. Discussion
 
4:00	. Coffee Break
 
4:30	. Recurrent Idiotypes and
	  idiotype-induced T Cell
	  suppresion concepts:
	  their impact in cancer
	  vaccine design.
	  Dr. Rolando Pirez (Cuba)
 
5:00	. General Discussion
 
 
WEDNESDAY 18
Morning
Chairman: Dr. Oscar Valiente
 
9:00    . Immunotherapy of human
	  tumor-associated
          gangliosides: a pilot
          study of the EORTC
          melanoma group.
          Dr. Jacques Portoukalian
          (France)
 
9:30    . Discussion                                                                                                               carrier sequences
 
10:00 . Coffee Break
 
10:30 . Towards v-gene repertoire
        of antiganglioside anti
          bodies.
          Dr. Jacques Aubry (France)
 
 
11:00 . Discussion
 
11:30 . Ganglioside-KLH conjugate
        vaccines plus a potent
        immunological adyuvant,
        results in prolonged IgM
        and IgG antibody responses
        in patients with melanoma.
        Dr. Philip Livingston (USA)
 
12:00 . Discussion                                                                                                                     session about vaccine                                                                   design will
 
 
1:00	. Lunch
WEDNESDAY 18
Afternoon
Chairman: Dr. Oscar Valiente
 
2:00	. Characterization of
	  ganglioside expression
	  in human melanoma cells:
	  Immunological and 
	  biochemical analysis.
	  Dr. Tadashi Tai (Japan)
 
2:30	. Discussion
 
3:00	. Monosialoganglioside,
	  GM3 and derivatives as
	  targets for cancer 
	  immunotherapy.
	  Dr. Luis E. Fernandez (Cuba)
 
3:30	. Discussion
 
4:00	. Coffee Break
 
4:30	. Computer-assisted modeling
	  of ganglioside antigens: 
	  energetic mapping of self
	  epitopes.
	  Dr. Juan D. Garrido (Cuba)
 
5:00	. Discussion
 
5:30	. Selection of carriers, 
	  adjuvants and potentiators
	  for new vaccines.
	  Dr. Gustavo Sierra (Cuba)
 
6:00	. General Discussion
 
 
THURSDAY 19
Morning
Chairman: Dr. Ana M. Vazquez (Cuba)
 
9:00    . T-Cell receptor variable
          gene usage in tumor infil-
          trating lymphocytes in
          malignant melanoma.
          Dr. Jesper Zeuthen
	  (Denmark)
 
9:30    . Discussion
 
10:00 . Coffee Break
 
10:30 . Anti B-7 therapeutics.
        The therapeutic use of
        recent knowledge about
        the CD28-B7 pathway.
        Dr. James W. Larrick (USA)
 
11:00 . Discussion
 
11:30 . The dual role of the
        immune system in tumor
        development.
        Dr. Christiane D.
        Pasqualini (Argentina)
 
12:00 . Discussion
 
1:00    . Lunch
 
 
THURSDAY 19
Afternoon
Chairman: Dr. Ana M. Vazquez
 
2:00	. New anti IL-6 and 
	  immunoprotocol for
	  treatment of AIDS
	  lymphoma. A model for
	  anti-growth factor
	  immunotherapy.
	  Dr. Peter Biberfeld (Sweden)
 
2:30	. Discussion
 
3:00	. The treatment of lymphoma
	  with anti-CD6 monoclonal
	  antibodies.
	  Dr. Carlos Garcma (Cuba)
 
3:30	. Discussion
 
4:00	. Coffee Break
 
4:30	. Expression of Antibody
	  Fragments in E. Coli.
	  Dr. Jorge Gavilondo (Cuba)
 
5:00	. General Discussion
 
 
FRIDAY 20
Morning
""Buffer" Session: topics to be  The morning session is
announced.
 
FRIDAY 20
Afternoon
 
2:00	. Visit to biotechnology
          facilities in the west
          zone of Havana.
 
4:00    . Concluding session.
 
 

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Subject: Human IgA
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From: del_valle@MPIMG-Berlin-Dahlem.MPG.DE (Jesus del Valle)
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Hi. I am currently studying the IgA protease of the pathogenic bacterium 
Neisseria meningitidis. It is known to cleave only human IgA1 and primates 
IgA therefore I am interested in the following questions: Since they only 
differ in 20 of the approx. 330 aa comprising the alpha chain, is there a 
functional difference between both human IgAs (IgA1 and IgA2)?. Do cells 
expressing them are somehow different or react to different interleukins or 
anything else?. Do other primates or animals have also two or more IgAs?. 
Any comments or literature references will be appreciated. Thanks a lot.
Jesus del Valle    

From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Thu Mar 10 22:00:00 1994
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From: VERPHELD@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU (Daniela verthelyi)
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Hi, I need to get Beta2-Glycoprotein I, a glycoprotein that has been associated
 with increased binding of anticardiolipin antibodies.  I havce been able to
induce these antibodies in normal mice, and I would like to to look at their bi
nding in the presence of this glycoprotein.  Does anybody know of a source for
this product?   Thank you   Daniela Verthelyi
                            VA-MD Veterinary College
                            Virginia Tech
                            (703)231-7757
                            Verpheld@VTVM1

From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Fri Mar 11 22:00:00 1994
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From: michaelr@u.washington.edu (Michael Robertson)
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Subject: Re: Human IgA
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In article <del_valle.5.007E73D9@mpimg-berlin-dahlem.mpg.de>,
Jesus del Valle <del_valle@MPIMG-Berlin-Dahlem.MPG.DE> wrote:
>Hi. I am currently studying the IgA protease of the pathogenic bacterium 
>Neisseria meningitidis. It is known to cleave only human IgA1 and primates 
>IgA therefore I am interested in the following questions: Since they only 
>differ in 20 of the approx. 330 aa comprising the alpha chain, is there a 
>functional difference between both human IgAs (IgA1 and IgA2)?. Do cells 
>expressing them are somehow different or react to different interleukins or 
>anything else?. Do other primates or animals have also two or more IgAs?. 
>Any comments or literature references will be appreciated. Thanks a lot.
>Jesus del Valle    

Does anyone know if US researchers can obtain reagents throught the MRC 
AIDS Reagent Project and/or the ANRS Programme Reactifs SIDA?  If so, 
what is the cost, etc.

Thanks.

Reply by e-mail


From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Fri Mar 11 22:00:00 1994
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From: michaelr@u.washington.edu (Michael Robertson)
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Subject: AIDS Reagents
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Does anyone know if US researchers can obtain reagents throught the MRC 
AIDS Reagent Project and/or the ANRS Programme Reactifs SIDA?  If so, 
what is the cost, etc.

Thanks.

Reply by e-mail


From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Sat Mar 12 22:00:00 1994
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From: gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko)
Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.methds-reagnts,bionet.immunology
Subject: Diluted ECL Reagent ?
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Has anyone tried to dilute Amersham's ECL reagent? The kind of signal
I get usually requires 3-10 secs exposure and it occurred to me that
if I could dilute the reagent in TBS-T or something I wouldn't use it
up as fast.

George



From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Sun Mar 13 22:00:00 1994
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From: Graham Pawelec <olxpa01@mailserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de>
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Subject: T cell senescence project "EUCAMBIS"
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With this posting, allow me to introduce a new initiative of the 
European Union (EU), scheduled to start at the beginning of April 1994,
called EUCAMBIS (= EU Concerted Action on the Molecular Biology of
Immunosenescence), of which I am the coordinator. This is one of a large
series of EU concerted actions covering many areas of biomedical science.
The concept of the concerted action is simply that it should be a
mechanism to facilitate the collaboration of different groups (in Europe)
on particular areas of research. In our case, we are concentrating on
immunosenescence of the T cell, employing an interdisciplinary approach
to define genetic events correlating with altered immune functioning
in aged individuals. This research network will bring together molecular
biologists, gerontologists and immunologists to study T cell function
in healthy aged people, patients with progeroid syndromes and other 
genetic diseases known or suspected to manifest accelerated senescence
phenotypes, and to compare these with events occuring in vitro in a long-
term culture model of T cell ageing. The expression of growth arrest-
specific genes, known tumor-suppressor genes and cell cycle control genes
will be investigated in these materials and correlated to cellular
immunological function of the cells. We will attempt to isolate novel
genes that are upregulated during ageing and to identify senescence-
inducing genes or those that contribute actively to the senescent phenotype.
Molecular data will be correlated with alterations of function assesssed
by cytokine gene transcription and protein secretion, development of
cytotoxicity or suppressor capacity. The relationship, if any, between 
senescence programs and those involved in the special type of T cell
growth arrest designated "anergy" will be investigated.

Obviously, such a project covers a multitude of sins, and we expect to
have to play it by ear. I am particularly keen to hear from non-European
scientists interested in any of these areas (but also of course,
European workers as well) to start a dialogue on these aspects of 
immunogerontological research. In an attempt to broaden potential
collaboration from its purely European (and small!) base, I am particularly
interested to hear from any non-European scientists who might like to
work with us for a year or so in Tuebingen (small medieval south-west German
University city near Lake Constance, the Alps and the Black Forrest) 
on this project. We would have to obtain dedicated funding for these persons, 
but clearly I would assist in the preparation of any applications for funding 
fellowships, stipendia etc. 

Please feel free to contact me on the any of the above points, or to
request further information on any particular component.

With best regards to all readers of this notice,
 
Graham

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From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Mon Mar 14 22:00:00 1994
Path: biosci!infomed.sld.cu!monoclon
From: monoclon@infomed.sld.cu (Ctro Inmunologia Molecular)
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Subject: EUCAMBIS!!!
Date: 15 Mar 1994 05:17:29 -0000
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We have known about EUCAMBIS through Bionet discussion group. The idea of a
concerted action seems very attractive. We work at the Center of Molecular
Immunology in Havana, CUBA; a research facility actively working on monoclonal
antibodies and cancer vaccines. One of the teams has been studying natural
autoantibodies against peptide growth factors. Main interest has been
autoantibody relationships with malignant tumors. However, a screening on
healthy population is going on (for setting up good controls) and these
measurements can provide information about aging also.
Would a subject like this be interesting for EUCAMBIS? Are there other
on going projects about this? Which members of Bionet discussion group are
involved in autoantibody research? We would like to identify people active
in the field in order to exchange more specific information. You can also
contact us by fax. (537-335049)
 
 

From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Mon Mar 14 22:00:00 1994
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From: CCC_GAME@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (Gamel Anton)
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Subject: Q: IF 2nd ABs Mono- or Polyklonal?
Date: 15 Mar 1994 11:27:49 GMT
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High all!

With indirect immunofluorescence double labelling experiments
I have made good experiences using first ABs from different
species and goat polyklonals as 2nd ABs (FITC and Cy3 conjugated)

Now I have to set up a double labelling with two monoklonals
from mouse differing only in the isotype: IgG1 contra IgG2b.
There are lots of conjugated polyklonals that discriminate
IgG1 and IgG2b, what about the cross reactions?

The experiment should show the two antigens in one cell.
There are some monoklonal 2nd ABs (only one red) available.
I suppose  they are much more specific but expensive and all
from rat. Could there occur other cross reactions e.g.
Rat@IgG2b binding to a RatIgG2b@MouseIgG1??

What system should I use monoclonal or polyclonal and are there
other tricks to get good results in this case?

Every comment is appreciated!

Many thanks
Best greetings

    Anton J. Gamel

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From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Mon Mar 14 22:00:00 1994
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From: lsrbd@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Chris Hodgson)
Newsgroups: bionet.immunology
Subject: Re: Opinions on whether TH1 and TH2 cell types originate from TH0
Date: 15 Mar 1994 17:42:00 -0000
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Dear Immunonetters,

I feel that this discussion warrants some clarification and further opinion.

I am in agreement with the recent article postees as regards the presence of
TH1 and TH2 cells during differing responses. My personal interest lies
within sensitization to chemical allergens, some of which can be classified
aas respiratory or contact dermatitis agents.

However the immune response at the TH cell level is not absolute to one or
the other committed cytokine-based cell types, rather both specific TH1 & TH2 
cells are formed during rounds of clonal expansion to an antigen (be this
microbial, oncogenically derived or allergen). 

The balance between specific TH1 and TH2 cells is altered according to the
antigen(s), the cell types and millieu in which they are presented and is
further likely to be mediated by a parallel clonal selection of B-cells with
lymph nodes local to the inflammatory site [i.e. a region from which antigen
is derived by APC, and which attracts specific T and B lymphocytes from the
circulating networks)

In essence I am saying that one or the other type of TH cell may predominate
at the antigenic site - this effect will be more markedly apparent during a
true amanestic memory response where memory cells rapidly commit to the
beginnings of inflammation. Good evidence exists for the role of TH1
specific cytokines in mediating delayed type hypersensitivity, and also for
TH2 cytokines in recruiting the cells types (eosinophils in particular)
associated with late-phase reaction in asthma. 

I would be interested to know if anyone is aware of what happens to a TH1 or
TH2 cell once infection has been curbed / erradicated. Do they fractionate
into populations as follows :

1) TH1 and/or TH2 cells, short lived and poised for blast formation
2) TH1 and/or TH2 cells, long lived memory cells (CD45 isoforms ?)
3) TH0 cell state - Can a TH1 or TH2 cell return to this and retain a memory
   phenotype thus having the potential to become either TH1 or TH2-like on
   future encounters with the same of similar antigen ?

It does not seem beyond credibility that all three of the above types of
population may result following "recovery". I think it likely that in
recurrent asthmatics and eczema sufferers that frequent exposure to
allergens never gives the TH2-like cells responding any opportunity to
diminish at reactive inflammatory sites - this might futher be maintained by
B-cell IgE production which is just ticking over and longer term antigen
presentation both at previously damaged tissue regions and within regional
lymph nodes.

I certainly feel that the TH1 / TH2 phenotype are the extremes of TH cell
development and are only readily observable during an ongoing immune
response. I begin to view them more as a product of short-term
immunoevolution within mammals, recruiting different effector cells and
inducing appropriate killing mechanisms (e.g DTH is essential for virally
infected cell erradication).

Finally, in what has been a long post (my apologies), I do not see any
problems in the manner in which we classify TH1/TH2 like cells based on their
cytokine-production potential. From tissue biopsies most workers approach
the analysis by mRNA in-situ hybridisation, in vivo cultures can
demsonstrate secretion patterns of clones or mixed cells. 

I encourage and welcome further discussion from all of the newsgroup readers
on this thread - TH1 and TH2 cells are pivotol to the effector phase of
immune respones and are here to stay.


Chris Hodgson

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From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Wed Mar 16 22:00:00 1994
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From: smiklasz@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven Miklasz)
Newsgroups: bionet.immunology
Subject: Monoclonal Antibody
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 18:41:37
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I would like to know if anyone has information regarding monoclonal antibodies 
made against rna polymerase.  I would be greatful if you could email me 
information about its availability.

Thanks in advance,
Steven Miklasz
Immunological Resource Center
School of Life Sciences
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Wed Mar 16 22:00:00 1994
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From: rhartman@isrec-sun1.unil.ch (Reto Hartmann)
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Subject: Help! c-Yes antibody
Date: 17 Mar 1994 10:04:54 GMT
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Hi does anyone out there have or know who has an antibody to p62
c-Yes? Any information would be helpful.  

thanks
Reto

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rhartman@isrec-sun1.unil.ch

From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Wed Mar 16 22:00:00 1994
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From: dLee@CCMAIL.LLU.EDU ("dLee")
Newsgroups: bionet.immunology
Subject: Re: Intracellular self/not-self discrimination
Date: 17 Mar 1994 22:42:52 -0000
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It's been two weeks since Dr. Forsdyke posted this message, and
unfortunately, I haven't seen any comments on it (although I do
occassionally miss some of the posted items).  So, since we've been
discussing the item here, I'll throw out a few of our objections.
Mind you, they are not objections to the possibility of intracellular
self/not-self discrimination, but arguments against the need for it.

Forsdyke writes:
> Since the final T cell repertoire reflects the processes of
> negative and positive selection, every additional functional MHC
> gene would increase the number of potential anti-self T cells which
> would have to be deleted (negative selection). This would decrease
> the range of foreign proteins to which the surviving positively
> selected cells could respond. Fitness would be impaired. Individuals
> which lost excess MHC loci through mutation, would then have a
> selective advantage ...

I agree with his interpretation of the effect of increased MHC
expression on negative selection, but he seems to have ignored the
effect on positive selection.  Since the vast majority of T cells are
neither positively nor negatively selected (99%), the newly-selected
thymocytes (positive or negative) would be primarily from the pool of
cells which previously had been non-selected.  Increased MHC-peptide
combinations in thymic development would be more effective in
increasing the number of positively selected thymocytes from the large
non-selected pool than increasing the number of negatively selected
thymocytes from the small positively-selected pool.

With this in mind, the reason for a limitted set of MHC might be to
maximize antigenic responsiveness while keeping the potential for
*peripheral* development of autoreactivity (as a product of rare TCR
mutation) at a minimum.

> In the absence of a mechanism for distinguishing intracellularly
> self peptides or proteins from foreign (e.g. virally-derived)
> peptides or proteins, cells would have to display all MHC-bound
> peptides.  Hedrick (1992) has noted that "It is hard to understand
> how peptides derived from foreign antigens can compete with the tide
> of self peptides...", and has suggested that "Perhaps there is a
> mechanism that could help to sort peptides into those originating
> from self and those originating from foreign peptides".

To begin with, this is much more of a problem for Class I, presenting
intracellular antigens (self-antigens being produced on a constant
basis), than Class II, presenting phagocytized extracellular antigens.
However, even this might not be a problem, if one considers the
differential production of foreign antigens versus self antigens
during something like viral infection or bacterial phagocytosis.  In
both situations, I would expect a majority of the MHC (Class I and II,
respectively) to be presenting foreign antigenic peptides.

Even in situations of low antigen concentrations, it has been
estimated that only 50-300 TCR must be engaged with MHC-peptide to
trigger a full T cell response.  Considering 10^4-10^5 TCR per T cell
and 10^5-10^7 MHC per APC, all of the above arguements might be moot,
since very few of the MHC even need to have foreign antigen peptides
to effect a T cell response.


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Dept of Micro and Mol Genetics  * and suppose,                      *
Loma Linda University           * But the secret sits in the middle *
dLee@ccmail.llu.edu             * and knows.               R. Frost *
*********************************************************************

From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Thu Mar 17 22:00:00 1994
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From: RAMPITSCH@BCRSSU.AGR.CA
Newsgroups: bionet.immunology
Subject: mono vs polyclonals; cross-reactions
Date: 17 Mar 1994 20:44:17 -0000
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>High all!

>With indirect immunofluorescence double labelling experiments
>I have made good experiences using first ABs from different
>species and goat polyklonals as 2nd ABs (FITC and Cy3 conjugated)

>Now I have to set up a double labelling with two monoklonals
>from mouse differing only in the isotype: IgG1 contra IgG2b.
>There are lots of conjugated polyklonals that discriminate
>IgG1 and IgG2b, what about the cross reactions?

>The experiment should show the two antigens in one cell.
>There are some monoklonal 2nd ABs (only one red) available.
>I suppose  they are much more specific but expensive and all
>from rat. Could there occur other cross reactions e.g.
>Rat@IgG2b binding to a RatIgG2b@MouseIgG1??

>What system should I use monoclonal or polyclonal and are there
>other tricks to get good results in this case?

>Every comment is appreciated!


Hi:
If your assay allows it, why don't you conjugate your Ab with
flourochrome (or whatever); you'll lose sensitivity and its a 
bit of a hassle, but you'll have no cross reactions. Otherwise
I think I'd go for the monoclonals, although I have had good
luck with some batches of polyclonals in similar situations, 
however, my system (DAS ELISA) could tolerate cross reaction -
I dind't mind a slight background. Try conjugation.
cheers,

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From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Thu Mar 17 22:00:00 1994
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From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Thu Mar 17 22:00:00 1994
Path: biosci!UVVM.UVIC.CA!LSDA
From: LSDA@UVVM.UVIC.CA (Larry Anthony)
Newsgroups: bionet.immunology
Subject: IFN and IL-4 assays
Date: 18 Mar 1994 09:48:33 -0800
Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Molecular Biology
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Sender: daemon@net.bio.net
Distribution: bionet
Message-ID: <199403181748.JAA29511@net.bio.net>
NNTP-Posting-Host: net.bio.net

Greetings fellow Immunonetters!
           I, too, am in the market for peoples recommendations for a commercia
l source of cytokine ELISA kits.  I am particularly interested in IFN-g, IL-2,
IL-4, IL-10 and IL-12.  Any thoughts?
                                     Larry
                                     LSDA@UVVM.UVic.Ca

From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Thu Mar 17 22:00:00 1994
Path: biosci!daresbury!not-for-mail
From: mbstg@seqnet.dl.ac.uk
Newsgroups: bionet.immunology
Subject: IFN-g Abs
Date: 18 Mar 1994 10:05:58 -0000
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Distribution: bionet
Message-ID: <2mbue6$h5t@mserv1.dl.ac.uk>
Original-To: immuno@dl.ac.uk

Dear Netcolleagues,
I'm urgently seeking to set up a direct (not an effector) assay
for murine IFN-g, and I wonder if anyone could recommend a
commercial source for an ELISA kit.
We also want to look at in vivo neutralisation of IFN-g. All the Abs
I have seen to date such as R4-6A2 are supposed to require growth
in nu.nu mice in order to get sufficient concentration for in vivo
neutralistaion, and this is not practical for us. So any advice on expereinces 
with in vivo neutralisation using culture s/n concentrates, or again
commercial suppliers of purified high neutralising activity Abs to IFN-g
would be very welcome
thanks
Jeremy Sternberg
Dept of Zoology
Univ of Aberdeen, Scotland
e-mail:j.sternberg@abdn.ac.uk
or
       mbstg@dl.ac.uk


From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Thu Mar 17 22:00:00 1994
Path: biosci!CCMAIL.LLU.EDU!dLee
From: dLee@CCMAIL.LLU.EDU ("dLee")
Newsgroups: bionet.immunology
Subject: Re: mono vs polyclonals; cross-reactions
Date: 18 Mar 1994 09:46:43 -0800
Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Molecular Biology
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>There are lots of conjugated polyklonals that discriminate
>IgG1 and IgG2b, what about the cross reactions?

Polyclonals made to discriminate between these two must be adsorbed or
absorbed against the other subclasses in order to be specific, since
any immunization with one IgG class will generate antibodies to
both class-specific and subclass-specific epitopes.  If absorbed on a
column, the resulting polyclonal should be ok, but if adsorbed
directly, the immune complexes will be left in the Ab solution and may
create problems.

>There are some monoklonal 2nd ABs (only one red) available.
>I suppose  they are much more specific but expensive and all
>from rat. Could there occur other cross reactions e.g.
>Rat@IgG2b binding to a RatIgG2b@MouseIgG1??

Since rat and mouse are genetically close, and immunizations rarely
induce autoantibodies, a rat mAb against mouse IgG2b will have been
selected (during the initial immunization/antibody response) for
epitopes which rat does not have in common with the mouse.  The
cross-reaction you describe above would be very unlikely.

>What system should I use monoclonal or polyclonal and are there
>other tricks to get good results in this case?

Extended incubations in the cold at low antibody concentrations has
been, in our experience, the general rule for the best combination of
sensitivity and specificity.


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Dean Lee                        * We dance 'round in a ring         *
Dept of Micro and Mol Genetics  * and suppose,                      *
Loma Linda University           * But the secret sits in the middle *
dLee@ccmail.llu.edu             * and knows.               R. Frost *
*********************************************************************

From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Fri Mar 18 22:00:00 1994
Path: biosci!daresbury!trane.uninett.no!sunic!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!ptiwari
From: ptiwari@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Pratima Tiwari)
Newsgroups: bionet.immunology,bionet.virology,bionet.molbio.hiv
Subject: Information Requested
Date: 19 Mar 1994 14:37:57 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University
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NNTP-Posting-Host: beauty.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Xref: biosci bionet.immunology:1162 bionet.virology:426 bionet.molbio.hiv:332

Please reply to my email which will be easier for me access.

Thanks

Pratima
PS if It is wrong network or crosslisted, sorry.  I am asking info for first 
time.  Email... ptiwari@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Fri Mar 18 22:00:00 1994
Path: biosci!bcm!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!ptiwari
From: ptiwari@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Pratima Tiwari)
Newsgroups: bionet.immunology,bionet.virology,bionet.molbio.hiv
Subject: Information requested
Date: 19 Mar 1994 14:50:00 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University
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Xref: biosci bionet.immunology:1163 bionet.virology:427 bionet.molbio.hiv:333


Can anybody suggest/ write on Hepatitis B and its treatment?
An acquiantance got infected with that during leg fracture
operation oversees and has been told 'no cure'.  I am
trying to gather more information and if we have treatment
facilities in United states.  Any suggestion will be appreciated.

Please reply to my email which will be easier for me access.

Thanks

Pratima
PS if It is wrong network or crosslisted, sorry.  I am asking info for first
time.  Email... ptiwari@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Sat Mar 19 22:00:00 1994
Path: biosci!daresbury!not-for-mail
From: mkuiper@crc.ac.uk (Mr. M. Kuiper)
Newsgroups: bionet.immunology
Subject: Anergy & Memory
Date: 20 Mar 1994 12:34:12 -0000
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Message-ID: <2mhfs4$3tm@mserv1.dl.ac.uk>
Original-To: immuno@dl.ac.uk

Hello immunonetters,

Has anybody out there an idea about the question if anergized T-cells generate
memory cells?

The concept of anergy vs activation is quite difficult for me, since I
think that anergized and activated T-cells against the same antigen might
exist side by side. To me this seems to be a very inefficient and possibly
dangerous for the organism, depending on which of both populations is
dominant. The question whether anergized T-cells generate memory cells is
central to me in this process, because anergy could then be equally impor-
tant to activation in a 2nd response to an antigen.

Marcel Kuiper. mkuiper@uk.ac.crc.hgmp    or    rchz103@uk.ac.kcl.cc.bay

From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Sun Mar 20 22:00:00 1994
Path: biosci!bcm!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!trane.uninett.no!daresbury!not-for-mail
From: <Milan.Jira@lf3.cuni.cz>
Newsgroups: bionet.immunology
Subject: Re: EUCAMBIS
Date: 21 Mar 1994 08:58:52 -0000
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Sender: daemon@mserv1.dl.ac.uk
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Original-To: immuno@dl.ac.uk

If there is interest from the countries associated with EU (in this case
of the Czech Republic) drop me message with more details about (how to apply)
details at one of the addresses bellow.

Greetings,

	
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/       Milan Jira, M.D., Ph.D.                  /            
/       3rd Medical School, Charles University   /
/       RuskNS 87, 100 00  Praha 10               /
/       Czech Republic                           /
/       Phone: +42-2-739451, ext. 439, 440       /
/       Fax: +42-2-67311812                      /
/       E-mail: Milan.Jira@lf3.cuni.cz           /
/               jira@maclc.ruk.cuni.cz           /
/               ulimj@earn.cvut.cz               /
/               ULIMJ@CSPUNI12                   /
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From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Mon Mar 21 22:00:00 1994
Path: biosci!daresbury!not-for-mail
From: Kurt Schaudt <olxsc01@mailserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de>
Newsgroups: bionet.immunology
Subject: Re: Anergy & Memory
Date: 22 Mar 1994 14:58:16 -0000
Lines: 51
Sender: daemon@mserv1.dl.ac.uk
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Message-ID: <2mn128$j67@mserv1.dl.ac.uk>
Original-To: Immunology discussion group <immuno@dl.ac.uk>

Marcel Kuiper wrote:

>Hello immunonetters,
>
>Has anybody out there an idea about the question if anergized T-cells generate
>memory cells?
>
>The concept of anergy vs activation is quite difficult for me, since I
>think that anergized and activated T-cells against the same antigen might
>exist side by side. To me this seems to be a very inefficient and possibly
>dangerous for the organism, depending on which of both populations is
>dominant. The question whether anergized T-cells generate memory cells is
>central to me in this process, because anergy could then be equally impor-
>tant to activation in a 2nd response to an antigen.
>
>Marcel Kuiper. mkuiper@uk.ac.crc.hgmp        or    rchz103@uk.ac.kcl.cc.bay

Induction of anergy must be seen as one step in a sequential process (of the
immune response); it is not induced at the start of an immune response.
When an immune response is started, its efficacy will depend on the time needed
for producing a sufficient amount of competent t cells (starting from theoretically
one cell!), meanwhile the target cells still will continue growing. This race can only
be won if cells of the immune system will grow much faster than the target cells, so
they must go through maximal stimulation (supplied by suitable interleukines
allowing the specific t cells to grow exponentially).
However, using this kind of maximal stimulation is most dangerous for the
organism and only reasonable if there exist effectual steps for extinguishing this
now needless growth when the fight is won (and the cells still are growing
exponentially).
This extinguishing can be (and is) reliably performed by apoptosis. But it would be
a pity to kill all the labourious produced t cells. Better, to keep a small percentage
alive but resting - for the next time!
And that is done by anergy. In our experience, in experiments inducing anergy
there is always a considerable percentage of cells lost by apoptosis. It seems that
in the mechanism of extinguishing the immune response a procedure is comprised
that ENSURES (seems to be not accidentally) a certain percentage of cells to
escape from apoptosis by getting anergic. 
Obviously in this extinguishing process the cytotoxic t cells must be involved, there
may be any mechanism enabling idle (because they find no target cell) CTL's to
stimulate other t cells (antigen specific) without appropriate costimulus and so
inducing apoptosis or anergy within them.
So far it is unclear how the decision apoptosis/anergy is made (I would like to hear
suggestions!).

Kurt Schaudt

Medical School of Tuebingen

Germany

kschaudt@mailserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de  

From owner-immunology@net.bio.net Mon Mar 21 22:00:00 1994
Path: biosci!VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU!CVMBMD
From: CVMBMD@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU ("D. Wise")
Newsgroups: bionet.immunology
Subject: need help culturing CTLL cells
Date: 21 Mar 1994 18:17:10 -0800
Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Molecular Biology
Lin