From owner-molec-model@net.bio.net Mon Jan 02 22:00:00 1995
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From: dougnb@netcom.com (Doug Neubauer)
Subject: Molecular Dynamics (specific heat)
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Hello.

I am working through the section in Allen-Tildesley on calculating
properties from RMS fluctuations.  In particular, specific heat,
Cv, from fluctuations in potential (or kinetic) energy.

This works fine in the NVE ensemble, however I am attempting to
use Berendsen's external bath technique to generate a constant
pressure and temperature.  According to the 1984 article the
ensemble is undefined and therefore the fluctuation data is
invalid.  (Which I verified, neither Cv or Cp were correct)

So what I ended up doing is using the coupling bath to establish
the target temperature/pressure then turn off the bath in order to
generate correct RMS fluctuation data.   Unfortunately the pressure
(and temperature) tend to wander away from the target values.

Could someone point me to more recent literature which might have
a better way to do this.  Ideally, I would like to get the specific
heat value without having to turn off the external bath.

Thanks in advance.

Doug Neubauer

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Please respond to this posting by Email or phone, as it is
a bit unusual for me to be keeping up with these newsgroups.

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From owner-molec-model@net.bio.net Tue Jan 03 22:00:00 1995
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From: vp19wqa3@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (Yao S. Ko)
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Hi,

I should greatly appreciate if anyone can tell me the URL for the
HBPLUS www site. Thanks in advance!


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From owner-molec-model@net.bio.net Wed Jan 04 22:00:00 1995
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From: steeg@cs.toronto.edu ("Evan W. Steeg")
Subject: Pictures/coordinates for states in protein folding 
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  A friend of mine would like some pictures of a protein in several
different states of folding/unfolding.  She'd really prefer Cytochrome C,
but other proteins would suffice.  Otherwise, her needs are very
flexible:

  -- Intermediate states may be observed (NMR, etc.) or modelled (according
     to some accepted classical/qm simulation model).

  -- Pictures may be space-filling, or ribbon diagrams, or etc.

  -- Pictures in any unix-friendly format (gif, tiff, ppm, etc.)

 In addition to or in lieu of graphics, perhaps there is a database
of partially-folded structures somewhere, akin to the brookhaven pdb
of folded structure coordinate files?  I'm curious about this myself.

 Last but not least, can anyone recommend offhand a particularly good
paper on some theoretical or empirical aspects of folding that features
a sequence of pictures as described above (especially of Cyt C!) ?

  Thanks for any pictures, pointers, or references!  If I discover
anything especially interesting, I'd be glad to summarize and repost.

   Regards,

      Evan

Evan W. Steeg (416) 978-5182              steeg@ai.toronto.edu
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From owner-molec-model@net.bio.net Wed Jan 04 22:00:00 1995
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From: steeg@cs.toronto.edu ("Evan W. Steeg")
Subject: Re: Pictures/coordinates for states in protein folding 
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 If I may just follow up on my own posting of yesterday:

In article <95Jan4.201837edt.280@neuron.ai.toronto.edu>,
Evan W. Steeg <steeg@cs.toronto.edu> wrote:
>  A friend of mine would like some pictures of a protein in several
>different states of folding/unfolding.  She'd really prefer Cytochrome C,
>but other proteins would suffice.  Otherwise, her needs are very
>flexible:
>
>  -- Intermediate states may be observed (NMR, etc.) or modelled (according
>     to some accepted classical/qm simulation model).
>
>  -- Pictures may be space-filling, or ribbon diagrams, or etc.
>
>  -- Pictures in any unix-friendly format (gif, tiff, ppm, etc.)
>
> In addition to or in lieu of graphics, perhaps there is a database
>of partially-folded structures somewhere, akin to the brookhaven pdb
>of folded structure coordinate files?  I'm curious about this myself.
>
> Last but not least, can anyone recommend offhand a particularly good
>paper on some theoretical or empirical aspects of folding that features
>a sequence of pictures as described above (especially of Cyt C!) ?
>

  1. Lest there be any confusion... what I meant when I referred to
     various states of folding/unfolding was *well-characterized
     intermediates in the folding pathway*, and not "unfolded" or
     "random" configurations.  Obviously, it makes no sense to have
     a database of "unfolded" protein coordinates.

  2. I'm making this request for a friend who wants to do a research/reading
     project for a chemistry course.  I talked her into being interested
     in the protein folding problem (oops) and she is already thinking
     of how she might give her presentation if she does follow through
     on this nontrivial topic.  It would be nice if she could put up a
     couple of slides graphically illustrating the ("real" or hypothesized)
     folding of a particular protein.

  3. It occurs to me that, besides my friend's immediate needs, it may
     be of interest to others (myself included) if there exists any
     database of either graphics (e.g., a WWW site) or databases of
     proposed or discovered intermediate structures.

   Thanks again for your attention.

     -- Evan

Evan W. Steeg (416) 978-5182              steeg@ai.toronto.edu
Dept of Computer Science                  steeg@t13.lanl.gov
University of Toronto,
Toronto, Canada M5S 1A4                   FAX:  (416) 978-1455


From owner-molec-model@net.bio.net Wed Jan 04 22:00:00 1995
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From: michel@biophy.jussieu.fr (Michel SEIGNEURET)
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Subject: re:looking for HBPLUS www site
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Hi,
Why don't you try: http://bsmcha1.biochem.ucl.ac.uk/~mcdonald/hbplus/home.html
Good luck.
Michel


From owner-molec-model@net.bio.net Thu Jan 05 22:00:00 1995
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From: morgan@mercury.interpath.net (Morgan Ryan)
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Subject: pdb->dxf or anything else?
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Is there a utility that will convert pdb files to dxf or any other 3d 
format? (Mac preferred). I'm trying to move molecular graphics to Ray 
Dream Designer...Thanks. Morgan Ryan

From owner-molec-model@net.bio.net Sun Jan 08 22:00:00 1995
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From: pujadas@ARGO.URV.ES (Gerard Pujadas BQ 2253)
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Subject: Mac Mollecular Moldelling Soft
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        Hi, my name is Gerard Pujadas and I am looking for a cheap Mollecular
Modelling program for Macintosh. Does anybody know a program of this characte-
ristics? Thanks and good year to all the netters.


                Gerard Pujadas
                Dept. Bioquimica i Biotecnologia
                Universitat Rovira i Virgili
                Plac,a Imperial Tarraco 1
                43005 Tarragona (CATALONIA) Europe.

                e-mails: pujadas@quimica.urv.es
                         utabbt01@cadi.cesca.es

                telf: (34 77) 55 95 65



From owner-molec-model@net.bio.net Sun Jan 08 22:00:00 1995
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From: terra@tiac.net (Ophira Rosolio Aharonson)
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Wanted: contact for Journal of Computational chemistry. Thanks
Ophira Rosolio-Aharonson
Terra@Computers Inc.
terra tiac.net

From owner-molec-model@net.bio.net Mon Jan 09 22:00:00 1995
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From: mbasd@s-crim1.dl.ac.uk (A. Sheppard)
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Dear Readers,

I would be grateful for comments, ideas, anecdotes, references etc. on the
following topic:

In the area of drug research, a frequent problem which arises is that of
obtaining oral-availability: it is usually more desirable to have an orally
active compound than one which is active only when injected.

What I want to know is the following:

1  Is it possible to predict whether a compound will be orally active?

2  On observing a compound has little or no oral activity, are there any
   structural modifications which can be used to increase the oral activity
   of the compound?

3  Is it possible to use an adjuvant to increase the absorption of a
   weakly orally active compound?

4  Are there any in vitro test systems which will predict whether a
   compound is orally active? If there are such test systems, are they
   available commercially or have they been devloped in-house?

I will summarise useful information to the net.

Andy Sheppard
Ferring Research Institute
mbasd@seqnet.dl.ac.uk

[crossposted to newsgroups bionet.general, bionet.molbio.methds-reagnts,
 bionet.molec-model and the Computational Chemistry list]


From owner-molec-model@net.bio.net Mon Jan 09 22:00:00 1995
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Subject: Re: pdb->dxf or anything else?
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morgan@mercury.interpath.net (Morgan Ryan) wrote:
>
> Is there a utility that will convert pdb files to dxf or any other 3d 
> format? (Mac preferred). I'm trying to move molecular graphics to Ray 
> Dream Designer...Thanks. Morgan Ryan

You may want to try the Babel program suite, developed by the
Dolata Research Group, University of Arizona.

Babel will read the following file types :
Alchemy                  AMBER PREP               Ball and Stick           
Biosym .CAR              Boogie                   Cacao Cartesian          
Cambridge CADPAC         CHARMm                   Chem3D Cartesian 1       
Chem3D Cartesian 2       CSD CSSR                 CSD FDAT                 
CSD GSTAT                Free Form Fractional     GAMESS Output            
Gaussian Z-Matrix        Gaussian Output          Hyperchem HIN            
Mac Molecule             Macromodel               Micro World              
MM2 Input                MM2 Ouput                MM3                      
MMADS                    MDL MOLfile              MOLIN                    
Mopac Cartesian          Mopac Internal           Mopac Output             
PDB                      Quanta                   ShelX                    
Spartan                  Sybyl Mol                Sybyl Mol2               
XYZ                      


Babel will write the following file types :
Alchemy                  Ball and Stick           Cacao Cartesian          
CAChe MolStruct          Chem3D Cartesian 1       Chem3D Cartesian 2       
ChemDraw Conn. Table     CSD CSSR                 Gamess Input             
Gaussian Cartesian       Gaussian Z-matrix        Hyperchem HIN            
IDATM                    Mac Molecule             Macromodel               
Micro World              MM2 Input                MM2 Ouput                
MM3                      MMADS                    MDL Molfile              
Mopac Cartesian          Mopac Internal           PDB                      
Report                   Spartan                  Sybyl Mol                
Sybyl Mol2               XYZ                      

Babel is available via annonymous ftp from 
joplin.biosci.arizona.edu in pub/Babel.

Hope this helps.
Ton Rullmann.

From owner-molec-model@net.bio.net Tue Jan 10 22:00:00 1995
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From: naussjl@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Jeffrey L Nauss)
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Subject: AMBER Parameters for Ba2+ and Sr2+
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Would anyone happen to have parameters for the AMBER forcefield 
for the ions Ba2+ and Sr2+?  The actual parameters or a reference
would be helpful.

Thanks in advance.

-- 
Jeff Nauss				Texas A&M Class of '77
Department of Chemistry			Gig 'em, Aggies!
University of Cincinnati

From owner-molec-model@net.bio.net Wed Jan 11 22:00:00 1995
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From: samuelm@selway.umt.edu (Samuel J Mitchell)
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Hello netters,
	We've recently stumbled into the gory world of 23s ribosomes, and
are wondering if there are any programs (preferably public-domain) which
can fold a 23s rRNA with some semblance of reality.  I've checked the
Ribosomal Database Project with no success, and we don't think that the
PC-GENE RNAFOLD program (Zuker's algorithm) can handle such a long sequence.
	If anyone has any leads, or just tips on where we could get started
on folding by hand, I'd really appreciate.
	Thanks in advance!
	Sam Mitchell

	samuelm@selway.umt.edu, (406) 243-5972 (Univ. of Montana)




From owner-molec-model@net.bio.net Wed Jan 11 22:00:00 1995
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From: naussjl@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Jeffrey L Nauss)
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Subject: InsightII and IRIX
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Has anyone else heard this rumour?  With the next release of the
Biosym software (current InsightII version is 2.3.5), IRIX 4.0.5 will
no longer be supported.  If true this means we will all have to
upgrade to IRIX 5.3 if we still want to use Biosym products.


-- 
Jeff Nauss				Texas A&M Class of '77
Department of Chemistry			Gig 'em, Aggies!
University of Cincinnati

From owner-molec-model@net.bio.net Thu Jan 12 22:00:00 1995
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From: dalke@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Andrew Dalke)
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Subject: NpT ensemble calculations
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  We want to implement NpT ensemble calculations in our parallel MD
code but are not sure how to do it.  I looked at Berendsen's paper,
and at the information in McCammon and Harvey, but the equations don't
seem correct.  Specifically, Berendsen's says:
                    __ ->   ->
P=(2/3 V) ( E + 0.5 \  r  . F   )
             k      /_  ij  ij
                    i<j
                             ->
E  is the kinetic energy  ,  r   is the vector from i to j
 k                            ij
     ->
and  F    is the force on j from i
      ij


Now, my problem is that this equation assumes there are only pair-wise
forces, but we use the CHARMm parameter set; with angles, dihedrals,
etc.  These cannot be broken down into pair-wise forces, so the above
equation doesn't work for MD.

  Am I correct?  And if so, does anyone have a reference to a paper
that tells how to include the higher body terms?


						Andrew Dalke
						dalke@ks.uiuc.edu


From owner-molec-model@net.bio.net Thu Jan 12 22:00:00 1995
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From: stefan@indi.oci.uni-heidelberg.de (Stefan Beyreuther)
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Subject: SHELX .res files -> Insight II?
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Who can import .res files generated by Sheldrick's X-ray software SHELXL-93 into
Biosym's Insight II?

Thanks
Stefan
 
_______________________________________________________________________________

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                                                Anorganisch-Chemisches Institut
Tel 0049-6221-562565                            Universitaet Heidelberg
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From owner-molec-model@net.bio.net Thu Jan 12 22:00:00 1995
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From: ogretza@hrz.uni-bielefeld.de ( Olaf Gretza)
Subject: thioredoxin
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Hi folks,
i am looking for a picture of thioredoxin. It would be nice if anyone could 
tell me where i can find one. It is for an homework, to be done until 
tuesday next week (as you can see i am in a hurry). 

If you know one, please tell me or leave a message here. Thanks.

Olaf


From owner-molec-model@net.bio.net Mon Jan 16 22:00:00 1995
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Subject: Conformational isomers and the brain
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 95 00:36:41 -0500     
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Hi!

	I read an article in the January '95 issue of Scientific American 
about PRIONS (proteinaceous infectious particle) disease. These new kinds 
of diseases are caused by conformational isomers of proteins present in 
the brain. These proteins, besides being pathogenic, are able to induce 
other proteins to adopt the same destructive conformation.
	I must say I was quite impressed by the discovery. I have a simple 
question: Is it possible that conformational isomers could be information
storing systems for the brain? Is it possible that these isomers would 
have been unnoticed by researchers? There exists no "conformational 
isomers detectors"... yet. Is it possible that proteins could be the brain 
RAM ( or ROM...) or am I totally out of it?

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From owner-molec-model@net.bio.net Tue Jan 17 22:00:00 1995
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From: rosenbac@darwin.bu.edu (D. Srikar Rao)
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Hi,

I'm a graduate student working on protein modeling, and I'm trying to find
out if there is some free software out there that allows for viewing pdb
files on an XTERM. This software could be as simple as just allowing for 
rotation, but it would be nice if it allowed for only backbone, or alpha
carbon trace, as well as allowed for picking individual atoms. Does such
software exist for free out there? (something like Rasmol, but that would
work on an xterm. 

If this isn't the place to post, can someone let me know where a good place
to post would be?
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From: lorenzo@cristal (Gabriel Moreno Hagelsieb)
Subject: InsightII vs. Quanta
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Hi,

Can anybody tell me how do Quanta and InsightII compare as to modeling
of nucleic acids? Is Quanta really superior in this aspect?

Thanks,
Please e-mail your answers

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From: heino.prinz@mpi-dortmund.mpg.de (Heino Prinz)
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Subject: Re: Conformational isomers and the brain
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In article <01-17-1995.44561@harfang>, guy@harfang.login.qc.ca (Guy Tremblay) says:
>
>Hi!
>
>        I read an article in the January '95 issue of Scientific American 
>about PRIONS (proteinaceous infectious particle) disease. These new kinds 
>of diseases are caused by conformational isomers of proteins present in 
>the brain. These proteins, besides being pathogenic, are able to induce 
>other proteins to adopt the same destructive conformation.
>        I must say I was quite impressed by the discovery. I have a simple 
>question: Is it possible that conformational isomers could be information
>storing systems for the brain? Is it possible that these isomers would 
>have been unnoticed by researchers? There exists no "conformational 
>isomers detectors"... yet. Is it possible that proteins could be the brain 
>RAM ( or ROM...) or am I totally out of it?
>

Yes, of course such a thing might be possible. But it would require a 
mechanism by which different isomers are formed or modulated in the
process of developing long-term memory. I think that it is unlikely that 
such a mechanism has escaped detection so far.

Still, I think it might be an exiting new area of research. In order to do it 
properly, one has to develop the tools of protein chemistry in these lipid-
water interfaces. - Not an easy task!

Heino

From owner-molec-model@net.bio.net Wed Jan 18 22:00:00 1995
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From: max@mycroft.mmid.ualberta.ca (Max Cummings)
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Hi,

I am wondering about the availability of programs that calculate
the surface areas of molecules which are not peptides or
nucleic acids (ie programs which can deal with all kinds of
drug0like small molecules). None of the programs i have encountered
are set up to deal with this.

Do you know of anything?

Thanks,

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From owner-molec-model@net.bio.net Thu Jan 19 22:00:00 1995
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From: "Lev A. Gorenstein" <lev@cv4.chem.purdue.edu>
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On 18 Jan 1995, D. Srikar Rao wrote:

> out if there is some free software out there that allows for viewing pdb
> files on an XTERM. This software could be as simple as just allowing for 
> rotation, but it would be nice if it allowed for only backbone, or alpha
> carbon trace, as well as allowed for picking individual atoms. Does such
> software exist for free out there? (something like Rasmol, but that would
> work on an xterm. 

Rasmol works very well on XTERM!  We have it working on IBM RS/6000 
AIXWindows.  ftp to kekule.osc.edu and download it.

Lev.

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Cambridge Healthtech Institute is sponsoring a conference on
Computer-Aided Drug Development to be held on April 12-13, 1995 in San
Francisco, CA.

Computers have taken on an increasing role in drug development.  They are
being used for a wide range of tasks, from managing and analyzing data
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In article <01-17-1995.44561@harfang>,
Guy Tremblay <guy@harfang.login.qc.ca> wrote:
>	I read an article in the January '95 issue of Scientific American 
>about PRIONS (proteinaceous infectious particle) disease. These new kinds 
>......

	I haven't read this article but the hypothesis of prions
is hardly new.   A small circle of people propounding this idea
have been pushing it for at least a decade on tenuous grounds.



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From owner-molec-model@net.bio.net Mon Jan 23 22:00:00 1995
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I'm having problems getting HyperChem Version 2 working with a color printer.

They have a 486 8 Meg machine running Windows and HyperChem.  They would 
like to print using their HP DeskJet 560C printer.  The HP printer driver 
is installed, and HyperChem is using it.

The problem involves color output.  I cannot make the output in color no
matter what I do.  I can make the printer print in color from other
applications.  I can cut a image of the HyperChem window, paste it into
another application and print it in color that way.  Of course, cut and
paste restricts the image to screen resolution, and the printer can
provide much higher resolution in black&white from HyperChem.  But I can't
get HyperChem to print in color on this printer. 

If anyone knows how to print in color using HyperChem, please let me 
know.  If HyperChem cannot print in color, I'd like to know that as 
well.

Thanks for your help!

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From owner-molec-model@net.bio.net Tue Jan 24 22:00:00 1995
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From: kurz3@sun.uakom.sk (kurz 3)
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Guy Tremblay (guy@harfang.login.qc.ca) wrote:
: Hi!

: 	I read an article in the January '95 issue of Scientific American
: about PRIONS (proteinaceous infectious particle) disease. These new kinds
: of diseases are caused by conformational isomers of proteins present in
: the brain. These proteins, besides being pathogenic, are able to induce
: other proteins to adopt the same destructive conformation.
: 	I must say I was quite impressed by the discovery. I have a simple
: question: Is it possible that conformational isomers could be information
: storing systems for the brain? Is it possible that these isomers would
: have been unnoticed by researchers? There exists no "conformational
: isomers detectors"... yet. Is it possible that proteins could be the brain
: RAM ( or ROM...) or am I totally out of it?

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Prions is closely related with chaperons. One of their main tasks is
transport of the some proteins across the cytoplasmatic membrane and repair
of damaged structure of proteins. Chaperons are enable to unfold and fold
proteins, which was structuraly damaged f.e. in the stress conditions.
	In my opinion it is may be other function of this proteins




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From: arne@hodgkin.mbi.ucla.edu (Arne Elofsson)
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P.W. Anderson  writes>
:Prions is closely related with chaperons. One of their main tasks is
:transport of the some proteins across the cytoplasmatic membrane and repair
:of damaged structure of proteins. Chaperons are enable to unfold and fold
:proteins, which was structuraly damaged f.e. in the stress conditions.
:	In my opinion it is may be other function of this proteins

This is wrong, Prions are not closely related to chaperones.
Chaperones might be involved in prions diseases, but chaparones
helps protein to fold and prions are wrongly folded proteins.
It is a big difference

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From owner-molec-model@net.bio.net Wed Jan 25 22:00:00 1995
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Hi All-

	Can proteins fold in a different way in the absence of
gravity ? I believe that their density changes (compacts) when
spun in ultracentrifuges at high rpm's (high G). So, the reverse 
(low G) should be also true. Gravity is one of the forces apart
from the nuclear forces. Does folding depend only on nuclear
forces ?  I am not sure though. Was any study made in this direction 
during space experiments ? Could anyone throw some light ?

Mohan Srinivasan Ph.D                            | email: smohan@helix.nih.gov 
DCBDC/NCI/Bldg 37 Rm 2B10,NIH,9000 Rockville Pike| phone: 301 496 2202
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From owner-molec-model@net.bio.net Thu Jan 26 22:00:00 1995
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From: rvenable@deimos.cber.nih.gov (Rick Venable)
Subject: Re: DOES GRAVITY AFFECT PROTEIN FOLDING ?
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On Thu, 26 Jan 1995 22:53:19 GMT Mohan Srinivasan pontificated:
> 	Can proteins fold in a different way in the absence of
> gravity ? I believe that their density changes (compacts) when
> spun in ultracentrifuges at high rpm's (high G). So, the reverse 
> (low G) should be also true. Gravity is one of the forces apart
> from the nuclear forces. Does folding depend only on nuclear
> forces ?  I am not sure though. Was any study made in this direction 
> during space experiments ? Could anyone throw some light ?

I'd say that there is little or no difference.  First, the difference
between 0 G and 1 G is very small, compared to the high G force in a
modern ultracentrifuge.  Second, perhaps many astronauts would be dead if
the change from 1 G to 0 G seriously altered protein folding.  Third, most
theoretical chemistry programs (molecular dynamics, quantum calculations,
etc.) ignore gravity completely.  Not that the absence is proof, but many
leading scientists studying protein folding from a theoretical approach do
not consider gravity.  After all, the mass of a protein is infintesimal
compared to the mass of the Earth, and it exists in a buoyant medium.

Folding does not depend on nuclear forces, but electrostatic forces (charge
attraction and repulsion) and the mostly attractive London dispersion, or van
der Waals, forces.  The charge interactions can be fairly long range, easily
2-5 times the zero point as van der Waals forces; the latter forces are close
to zero for atom interactions further than 10 Angstroms apart.

Finally, I'm sure there have been 0 G protein crystallization experiments on
the space shuttle, as well as a fair number of biochemistry and biological
experiments.  Perhaps they've even made blood density measurements.  NASA
is very foward about providing access to the results of their work, both as
publications and on-line thru gopher and www servers.

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In article <Pine.SGI.3.91.950126174410.2174A-100000@helix.nih.gov>, Mohan Srinivasan <smohan@helix.nih.gov> writes:
|> 
|> Hi All-
|> 
|> 	Can proteins fold in a different way in the absence of
|> gravity ? I believe that their density changes (compacts) when
|> spun in ultracentrifuges at high rpm's (high G). So, the reverse 
|> (low G) should be also true. Gravity is one of the forces apart
|> from the nuclear forces. Does folding depend only on nuclear
|> forces ?  I am not sure though. Was any study made in this direction 
|> during space experiments ? Could anyone throw some light ?
|> 
|> Mohan Srinivasan Ph.D                            | email: smohan@helix.nih.gov 
|> DCBDC/NCI/Bldg 37 Rm 2B10,NIH,9000 Rockville Pike| phone: 301 496 2202
|> Bethesda, MD 20892, USA                          | fax  : 301 402 1031
|> 
|> 
|> 

Just to add yet another NIH voice to this--

The magnitude of gravitational forces is extremely small compared to 
the magnitude of electrostatic forces.  That's why a kitchen magnet
can hold a note to the fridge with the entire gravitational force
of the Earth pulling against it.

Of course, electrostatics (salt bridges, Hbonds, vdW, etc.) do not
determine folding by themselves--entropic considerations are nearly 
equal.  The free energy of stabilization of most folded proteins' 
structure is typically 20 kcal/mol at 25C, but the aggregate size of
the electrostatic forces holding the folded structure together is
on the order of thousands of kcal/mol.  Entropy nearly balances 
electrostatics.

And yes, some protein crystals have been grown on the Shuttle, 
but they're usually so fragile that they're unusable.
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(just in fun - this is not really my topic!)

In article <1995Jan27.024118.3087@alw.nih.gov>, rvenable@deimos.cber.nih.gov (Rick Venable) writes:
> On Thu, 26 Jan 1995 22:53:19 GMT Mohan Srinivasan pontificated:
>> 	Can proteins fold in a different way in the absence of
>> gravity ? I believe that their density changes (compacts) when
>> spun in ultracentrifuges at high rpm's (high G). So, the reverse 
>> (low G) should be also true. Gravity is one of the forces apart
>> from the nuclear forces. Does folding depend only on nuclear
>> forces ?  I am not sure though. Was any study made in this direction 
>> during space experiments ? Could anyone throw some light ?
> 
> I'd say that there is little or no difference.  First, the difference
> between 0 G and 1 G is very small, compared to the high G force in a
> modern ultracentrifuge.  Second, perhaps many astronauts would be dead if
> the change from 1 G to 0 G seriously altered protein folding.  

Nicely put.

> Third, most
> theoretical chemistry programs (molecular dynamics, quantum calculations,
> etc.) ignore gravity completely.  Not that the absence is proof, but many
> leading scientists studying protein folding from a theoretical approach do
> not consider gravity.  After all, the mass of a protein is infintesimal
> compared to the mass of the Earth, and it exists in a buoyant medium.
> 
[snip]

Just another thought - do proteins care "which way up" they are while they
are folding - I doubt it! (a grativational effect implies a directional
effect).

Grant.

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In article <Pine.SGI.3.91.950126174410.2174A-100000@helix.nih.gov>, Mohan
Srinivasan <smohan@helix.nih.gov> wrote:

> 	Can proteins fold in a different way in the absence of
> gravity ? 

The conformational free energy of a protein is primarily determined by
electrostatic forces and entropy. These forces, on a molecular scale are
_many_ orders of magnitude larger than the gravitational forces involved.
Even more important, the possible perturbations due to gravitation are
again _many_ orders of magnitude smaller than thermal perturbations under
physiological conditions. We do not expect gravity to have noticable
effetcs on protein folding.

Even more so, since external applied fields homogeneously affect all atoms
in the molecule, there is no gradient which might generate a force.

On the other hand, gravity can affect protein concentration. Concentration
affects the propensity towards aggregation and this influences unproductive
side-reactions along the folding pathway. This is a question of kinetics,
not thermodynamics.

Protein crystallization has _many_ variables. The presence or absence of
gravitational fields is one of them. It has been argued, that under
microgravitational conditions, the absence of convective currents in the
crystalization experiment should produce better crystals. Indeed,
space-shuttle experiments have grown crystals, that are no worse than those
which have been grown on earth ;-). But the reverse also works. A
BioTechnology cover page some years ago showed crystals grown in the
centrifuge, apparently high-G conditions favored nucleation under certain
conditions.

Greetings
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