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Applications and Methodology of Molecular Simulation
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	in the Physical and Biological Sciences
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-- An International Conference in Electronic Format --
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Conference Chair: 	Professor Nick Quirke, Imperial College, 
			Editor-in-Chief, Molecular Simulation Journal

Dates: 19 April - 4 May '99

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___DESCRIPTION___
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wide range of disciplines encompassed
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related techniques. An important aim
of the meeting is to foster cross fertilisation of ideas, algorithms and
applications between them. Sessions will include papers on topics in
physics, chemistry, materials science, biology and pharmacology. Comment and
discussion will be encouraged and the resulting material will be edited and
form part of the proceedings.

The format of the virtual conference will be formal sessions with invited
and contributed papers, posters and
subsequent interactive discussions with authors, where comment and
criticism will be sought on the formal lectures (along the lines of a
Faraday Discussion). During the conference all material will be accessible
at the conference Web site and accepted papers will be published after the
end of the conference (following refereeing and editing) in Molecular
Simulation.


___TOPICS, CHAIRS and SPEAKERS___
The six sections will cover the following topics.  Also find listed the
chairs for each topic and some of the invited speakers confirmed so far.

Applications: 

1. Frontiers of Materials Science
	Chairs: Prof. Alain Fuchs, Prof. C R A Catlow
	Invited Speakers: 

2. Novel Applications in Chemistry and Physics
	Chairs: Prof Donald Brenner, Dr. Deepak Srivastava
	Invited Speakers:

3. Computer based Modelling, Simulation, and Analysis of Biological and
Pharmacological Systems
	Chairs: Prof. Graham Richards, Dr. Jeffrey L. Nauss
	Invited Speakers: Steve Doughty, Vijay Gombar, Ian Haworth, Prof. Mati
Karelson, Dave Winkler 

    
Methodology: 

4. Advances in Mesoscale Simulation Methodology
	Chairs: Dr. Julia Yeomans, Dr. Dave Nicolaides
	Invited Speakers: Bruce Boghosian, Hudong Chen, J.G.E.M. Fraaije, Anatoly
Malevanets

5. Non Equilibrium and Monte Carlo Simulation
	Chairs: J.M.D.MacElroy, B.E.Ph.D., Grant S. Heffelfinger, Ph.D.
	Invited Speakers: Prof. David M. Ford, Prof. Akira Miyamoto, Dr. David
Nicholson, Prof. Tomoshige Nitta, 				Dr. Aidan Thompson, Dr. Karl P. Travis, 
     
6. Advances in Quantum Simulation
	Chairs: Dr. Dominic King-Smith, Dr. M.C. Payne
	Invited Speakers: Mike Gillan, Pablo Ordejon, Dr. Mike Payne, Gustavo
Scuseria, Alain St-Amant

____________________________________________________________________________
___________________________________

I hope that this conference will be of interest to some people on the list.
 I apologise for any duplicate postings received by people subscribed to
other lists.

Yours sincerely,

Martha de Souza
VEI
martha@vei.co.uk

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Applications and Methodology of Molecular Simulation in the Physical and
Biological Sciences
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    -- An International Conference in Electronic Format sponsored by
Gordon and Breach --

Conference Chair: Professor Nick Quirke, Imperial College,
Editor-in-Chief, Molecular Simulation Journal

Dates: 19 April - 4 May '99

URL: http://molsim.vei.co.uk/

_________________________________________________________________________________

** Now calling for PAPERS - Submit your abstract via the on-line form at

http://molsim.vei.co.uk/submissions/index.html
N.B. Deadline for abstracts = 1 March 1999

** FREE Registration to attend the conference now available - Fill in
the form at
http://molsim.vei.co.uk/register/index.html
_________________________________________________________________________________



___DESCRIPTION___
The international journal Molecular Simulation is sponsoring a virtual
conference on the latest applications and
techniques in the field. The conference will bring together experts, in
a wide range of disciplines encompassed
within the physical and biological sciences, using molecular simulation
and related techniques. An important aim
of the meeting is to foster cross fertilisation of ideas, algorithms and
applications between them. Sessions will
include papers on topics in physics, chemistry, materials science,
biology and pharmacology. Comment and
discussion will be encouraged and the resulting material will be edited
and form part of the proceedings.

The format of the virtual conference will be formal sessions with
invited and contributed papers, posters and
subsequent interactive discussions with authors, where comment and
criticism will be sought on the formal lectures
(along the lines of a Faraday Discussion). During the conference all
material will be accessible at the conference Web site and accepted
papers will be published after the end of the conference (following
refereeing and editing) in Molecular Simulation.


___TOPICS, CHAIRS and SPEAKERS___
The six sections will cover the following topics.  Also find listed the
chairs for each topic and some of the invited speakers confirmed so far.

Applications:

1. Frontiers of Materials Science
 Chairs: Prof. Alain Fuchs, Prof. C R A Catlow
 Invited Speakers:

2. Novel Applications in Chemistry and Physics
 Chairs: Prof Donald Brenner, Dr. Deepak Srivastava
 Invited Speakers:

3. Computer based Modelling, Simulation, and Analysis of Biological and
Pharmacological Systems
 Chairs: Prof. Graham Richards, Dr. Jeffrey L. Nauss
 Invited Speakers: Steve Doughty, Vijay Gombar, Ian Haworth, Prof. Mati
Karelson, Dave Winkler


Methodology:

4. Advances in Mesoscale Simulation Methodology
 Chairs: Dr. Julia Yeomans, Dr. Dave Nicolaides
 Invited Speakers: Bruce Boghosian, Hudong Chen, J.G.E.M. Fraaije,
Anatoly Malevanets

5. Non Equilibrium and Monte Carlo Simulation
 Chairs: J.M.D.MacElroy, B.E.Ph.D., Grant S. Heffelfinger, Ph.D.
 Invited Speakers: Prof. David M. Ford, Prof. Akira Miyamoto, Dr. David
Nicholson, Prof. Tomoshige Nitta,     Dr. Aidan Thompson, Dr. Karl P.
Travis,

6. Advances in Quantum Simulation
 Chairs: Dr. Dominic King-Smith, Dr. M.C. Payne
 Invited Speakers: Mike Gillan, Pablo Ordejon, Dr. Mike Payne, Gustavo
Scuseria, Alain St-Amant

_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________

I hope that this conference will be of interest to some people on the
list.  I apologise for any duplicate postings received by people
subscribed to other lists.

Yours sincerely,

Martha de Souza
VEI
martha@vei.co.uk


From owner-molec-model@net.bio.net Mon Feb 01 22:00:00 1999
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From: ptitjean@ccr.jussieu.fr (Michel PETITJEAN)
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Subject: minimal sphere
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Subj: minimal sphere

A colleague told me recently that it should be useful to have a
programme computing the minimal sphere containing a molecule,
together with various shape coefficients.
I have done it.
Binaries are available for DEC-alpha (VMS and unix), RS6000 serie
(and SP2) CRAY Y and J90, SGI O2 (and various mips1 to mips4).
Interested people should email me, without forgetting to tell which
computer is used.

Michel Petitjean,                     Email: petitjean@itodys.jussieu.fr
ITODYS (CNRS, ESA 7086)                      ptitjean@ccr.jussieu.fr
1 rue Guy de la Brosse                Phone: +33 01 44 27 48 57
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From owner-molec-model@net.bio.net Tue Feb 02 22:00:00 1999
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Hallo!

I am looking for software (for Linux) to generate those nice pictures=20
with ribbons and tubes ... for proteins. i.e. tertiary (and=20
quarternary?) structures. I tried to start with those expasy programs,=20
but failed, because there is no model structure available for my=20
protein. Hence there shold be a prediction program, which uses the AS=20
sequence.

Thanks
Herbert Plass
University Vienna, Austria




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Subject: Re: Proteins 3D
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Am 03.02.99, 10:53:34, schrieb m.mitchell@icrf.icnet.uk (Mike=20
Mitchell) zum Thema Re: Proteins 3D:
> herbert.plass@univie.ac.at wrote:
> > I am looking for software (for Linux) to generate those nice picture=
s
> > with ribbons and tubes ... for proteins. i.e. tertiary (and
> > quarternary?) structures. I tried to start with those expasy program=
s,
> > but failed, because there is no model structure available for my
> > protein. Hence there shold be a prediction program, which uses the A=
S
> > sequence.

> Try using SwissModel to predict the structure, the results are=20
returned
> as a PDB format file. PDB files can be "rendered" as ribbons and tubes=

> with applications such as RasMol.

Thank you,
what I meant with _expasy programs_ was actually SwissModel. But I=20
understood, that for a prediction this program needs some kind of=20
template. When I submitted the query for my sequence, i got the=20
answer, that there is no model and hence therefore a calculation is=20
impossible. I would be glad if I am wrong and there _is_ a way to=20
calculate a guess.

Herbert Plass




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International Symposium "Molecular Genetics of Mental Disorders"
Date : December 1-3, 1999
Castres (Tarn)
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The final scientific program is now available on
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In article <19990203.8015500@plass.pharm.univie.ac.at>,
herbert.plass@univie.ac.at wrote:

> Hallo!
> 
> I am looking for software (for Linux) to generate those nice pictures 
> with ribbons and tubes ... for proteins. i.e. tertiary (and 
> quarternary?) structures. I tried to start with those expasy programs, 
> but failed, because there is no model structure available for my 
> protein. Hence there shold be a prediction program, which uses the AS 
> sequence.

Try using SwissModel to predict the structure, the results are returned
as a PDB format file. PDB files can be "rendered" as ribbons and tubes
with applications such as RasMol.

SwissModel (web):

    http://expasy.hcuge.ch/swissmod/SWISS-MODEL.html

RasMol:

   http://www.glaxowellcome.co.uk/science/software/

   ftp://ftp.dcs.ed.ac.uk/pub/rasmol/


There are several other applications that can display PDB data.

-- 
Michael Mitchell                 "Smoke me a kipper,
User Support                  I'll be back for breakfast."
Molecular Biology Software      Ace Rimmer, Test Pilot
+44 (0)171 269 3115                BBC-TV Red Dwarf           ENFJ

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Subject: Re: Proteins 3D
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Herbert Plass schrieb:

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ursprüngliche Nachricht <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> > > I am looking for software (for Linux) to generate those nice pictures
> > > with ribbons and tubes ... for proteins. i.e. tertiary (and
> > > quarternary?) structures. I tried to start with those expasy programs,
>

[...]

> answer, that there is no model and hence therefore a calculation is
> impossible. I would be glad if I am wrong and there _is_ a way to
> calculate a guess.
>
> Herbert Plass

Hi,
I hope you know that calculating "those nice pictures with ribbons and tubes",
i.e. calculating the protein structure, without any model or without
structural (X-ray, NMR) data of your protein is a _very_ difficult thing?
If it was possible for every protein, a whole bunch of scientists would be
both happy and unemployed. Surely there are algorithms, and sometimes they
work quite fine, but sometime the same algorithm doesn't work at all on a
particular protein, or predicts a structure which is later, by the use of
experimental (X-ray, NMR) data shown to be wrong, or at least not completely
right. A prominent example which may be known by other people than structural
biologists is the predicted and NMR-structure of the [hamster]prion protein
[NMR: Wuethrich, Glockshuber et al., somewhen in 1997, I think in Nature].

So if you find a prediction program and pass your aa-sequence through it, it
might be you get some structure, but you'll have to be extremely careful in
interpreting it, especially if you're not an expert in that field.
In my opinion it would be better to admit that you don't know the structure
and not show any, instead of presenting a guess which might be good, or bad.

btw I think that there exist methods of elucidating the structure of a binding
site by NMR if you know the conformation of a (non-macromolecular?) ligand,
which would be easier than doing the whole structure. Ask a pharmacologist.

Frank


From owner-molec-model@net.bio.net Wed Feb 03 22:00:00 1999
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Herbert Plass wrote:
> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ursprüngliche Nachricht <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> Am 03.02.99, 10:53:34, schrieb m.mitchell@icrf.icnet.uk (Mike
> Mitchell) zum Thema Re: Proteins 3D:
> > herbert.plass@univie.ac.at wrote:
> > > I am looking for software (for Linux) to generate those nice pictures
> > > with ribbons and tubes ... for proteins. i.e. tertiary (and
> > > quarternary?) structures. I tried to start with those expasy programs,
> > > but failed, because there is no model structure available for my
> > > protein. Hence there shold be a prediction program, which uses the AS
> > > sequence.
> 
> > Try using SwissModel to predict the structure, the results are
> returned
> > as a PDB format file. PDB files can be "rendered" as ribbons and tubes
> > with applications such as RasMol.
> 
> Thank you,
> what I meant with _expasy programs_ was actually SwissModel. But I
> understood, that for a prediction this program needs some kind of
> template. When I submitted the query for my sequence, i got the
> answer, that there is no model and hence therefore a calculation is
> impossible. I would be glad if I am wrong and there _is_ a way to
> calculate a guess.
> 
> Herbert Plass

You can try to predict a model of this protein using fold recognition.
This method is very successful in many cases and its applicability
was demonstrated in a public blind prediction test (CASP3):
http://PredictionCenter.llnl.gov/casp3/Casp3.html.

We participated in CASP3 and our fold recognition program was quite
successful. The Web page of this program is redesigned at the
moment and therefore not accessible (I can send you the Web address
as soon as the page is available again.)

There is not guarantee to find a template for every sequence but
the chances are rather good because the number of folds in the PDB
is already quite large.

Hope this helps,
Walter 
-- 
===============================================================
Walter Koppensteiner                                           
                                            
University of Salzburg
Center of Applied Molecular Engineering

Jakob Haringer Strasse 3           Phone: +43-662-8044-5794
A-5020 Salzburg, Austria           Fax:   +43-662-454889
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From owner-molec-model@net.bio.net Wed Feb 10 22:00:00 1999
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Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 19:05:21 -0500
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Frank Fürst wrote:
> 
> Herbert Plass schrieb:
> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ursprüngliche Nachricht <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> > > > I am looking for software (for Linux) to generate those nice pictures
> > > > with ribbons and tubes ... for proteins. i.e. tertiary (and
> > > > quarternary?) structures. I tried to start with those expasy programs,
> >
> 
> [...]
> 
> > answer, that there is no model and hence therefore a calculation is
> > impossible. I would be glad if I am wrong and there _is_ a way to
> > calculate a guess.
> >
> > Herbert Plass
> 
> Hi,
> I hope you know that calculating "those nice pictures with ribbons and tubes",
> i.e. calculating the protein structure, without any model or without
> structural (X-ray, NMR) data of your protein is a _very_ difficult thing?
> If it was possible for every protein, a whole bunch of scientists would be
> both happy and unemployed. Surely there are algorithms, and sometimes they
> work quite fine, but sometime the same algorithm doesn't work at all on a
> particular protein, or predicts a structure which is later, by the use of
> experimental (X-ray, NMR) data shown to be wrong, or at least not completely
> right. A prominent example which may be known by other people than structural
> biologists is the predicted and NMR-structure of the [hamster]prion protein
> [NMR: Wuethrich, Glockshuber et al., somewhen in 1997, I think in Nature].
> 
> So if you find a prediction program and pass your aa-sequence through it, it
> might be you get some structure, but you'll have to be extremely careful in
> interpreting it, especially if you're not an expert in that field.
> In my opinion it would be better to admit that you don't know the structure
> and not show any, instead of presenting a guess which might be good, or bad.
> 
> btw I think that there exist methods of elucidating the structure of a binding
> site by NMR if you know the conformation of a (non-macromolecular?) ligand,
> which would be easier than doing the whole structure. Ask a pharmacologist.
> 
> Frank

Herbert,

  Frank is right.  To exemplify, I read in a not to far past Biophysical
Journal, that, even with simplified, shortened sequences (<20aa) it was
difficult for some experts to make a computer fold alpha-helices by
strict algorithms.  Even these weren't all that close to emperical
observation.
  How big is your protein, and what is it's name?  If you can find an
ancestor close enough (>50% homology); mutate it, minimize the energy,
and send it through molecular dynamics, and you _might_ have a good
guess.  
  This can all be done with Tripos' SYBYL.  Let us know how things work
out.

Deacon Sweeney
Wright State University

From owner-molec-model@net.bio.net Wed Feb 10 22:00:00 1999
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From: bowermj@mh.us.sbphrd.com ("Michael J. Bower")
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>Frank Fürst wrote:
>> 
>> Herbert Plass schrieb:
>> 
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ursprüngliche Nachricht <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>> > > > I am looking for software (for Linux) to generate those nice pictures
>> > > > with ribbons and tubes ... for proteins. i.e. tertiary (and
>> > > > quarternary?) structures. I tried to start with those expasy programs,
>> >
>> 
>> [...]
>> 
>> > answer, that there is no model and hence therefore a calculation is
>> > impossible. I would be glad if I am wrong and there _is_ a way to
>> > calculate a guess.
>> >
>> > Herbert Plass
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I hope you know that calculating "those nice pictures with ribbons and tubes",
>> i.e. calculating the protein structure, without any model or without
>> structural (X-ray, NMR) data of your protein is a _very_ difficult thing?
>> If it was possible for every protein, a whole bunch of scientists would be
>> both happy and unemployed. Surely there are algorithms, and sometimes they
>> work quite fine, but sometime the same algorithm doesn't work at all on a
>> particular protein, or predicts a structure which is later, by the use of
>> experimental (X-ray, NMR) data shown to be wrong, or at least not completely
>> right. A prominent example which may be known by other people than structural
>> biologists is the predicted and NMR-structure of the [hamster]prion protein
>> [NMR: Wuethrich, Glockshuber et al., somewhen in 1997, I think in Nature].
>> 
>> So if you find a prediction program and pass your aa-sequence through it, it
>> might be you get some structure, but you'll have to be extremely careful in
>> interpreting it, especially if you're not an expert in that field.
>> In my opinion it would be better to admit that you don't know the structure
>> and not show any, instead of presenting a guess which might be good, or bad.
>> 
>> btw I think that there exist methods of elucidating the structure of a binding
>> site by NMR if you know the conformation of a (non-macromolecular?) ligand,
>> which would be easier than doing the whole structure. Ask a pharmacologist.
>> 
>> Frank
>
>Herbert,
>
>  Frank is right.  To exemplify, I read in a not to far past Biophysical
>Journal, that, even with simplified, shortened sequences (<20aa) it was
>difficult for some experts to make a computer fold alpha-helices by
>strict algorithms.  Even these weren't all that close to emperical
>observation.
>  How big is your protein, and what is it's name?  If you can find an
>ancestor close enough (>50% homology); mutate it, minimize the energy,
>and send it through molecular dynamics, and you _might_ have a good
>guess.  
>  This can all be done with Tripos' SYBYL.  Let us know how things work
>out.
>
>Deacon Sweeney
>Wright State University

I would add only one caution to this recipe for a homology model - if there
is one lesson which has come out of the protein structure prediction 
conferences, it is that "refinement" of modeled structures rarely if ever
leads toward the correct structure.  This includes minimization and dynamics.
Their main effect seems to be to push the model in one of the many vectors
which do not connect the model and the actual structure.  Many of the most
succesful modelers currently use strictly conservative methods with 
constrained minimization to relieve the most gross problems, while 
acknowledging that while this method is unlikely to yield the correct structure
in every detail, it consistently gives the best approximation.  Good luck.

	Mike

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From owner-molec-model@net.bio.net Fri Feb 12 22:00:00 1999
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From owner-molec-model@net.bio.net Sat Feb 13 22:00:00 1999
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Michael J. Bower (bowermj@mh.us.sbphrd.com) wrote:

: I would add only one caution to this recipe for a homology model - if there
: is one lesson which has come out of the protein structure prediction 
: conferences, it is that "refinement" of modeled structures rarely if ever
: leads toward the correct structure.  This includes minimization and dynamics.

I'd agree with that. Only in rare cases is the RMSd reduced by minimisation
and then only marginally. Look at my paper on the analysis of the CASP2
comparative modelling section (PROTEINS: Structure, Function and Genetics,
Suppl 1 (1997), 14-28)


Andrew




From owner-molec-model@net.bio.net Sat Feb 13 22:00:00 1999
From: "The Flavored Coffee Guy" <elgersmad@email.msn.com>
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http://pc65.frontier.osrhe.edu/hs/science/emspec.gif


    Looking at the radio spectrum in order to define which compounds, and
elements are present have frequently been used in astronomy.  But, in the
field of microscopy this form of information gathering isn't utilized.  In
this post are links that consist of the parts of highest significance
required to build a microscope that doesn't require stains, or staining
procedures to view cell tissues.  A tunable laser is used as a light source
in order to align the spectral lines generated in spectroscopy associated to
a sample being viewed.  Minimum amounts of light enable the reflectivity, or
absorption lines found to either be reflected or absorbed within in a
minimum number of atoms, or molecules.  Therefore, the image multiplier tube
is used to amplify what little light is used to unveil the internal, or
external structures of the cell being examined.  Basing the lasers output
frequency  to be an issue resolved by computer controls, stepping the laser
through it's output frequency range.   Retrieving a series of images
produced on a one image, per step in frequency would enable software to
retrieve, and compile an image based on the absorbed, or reflected
wavelengths of light.  Accumulating this information using software to
generate a multiple of grayscale images which would be placed in the visible
range of colors generated by a computer by spacing the gray images in a
false color spectrum map, then letting the computer compress the scale into
the visible range for viewing.

    Based on the objective of viewing the translucent cells, such as neural
tissues, and doing so without damaging them.  The light exiting the source
is polarized in order to determine the polarize state of molecules which are
being viewed.  If this is included in the frequency/image stepping sequence,
several images will need to be take based on the degree of rotation of the
interference lenses rotation.  This lens is a secondary rotatable polarized
lens that is used for interference to detect the degree at which polarized
light rotates passing through any given molecule.

    Further stepping modifications include detailing focal lengths, and
calibrating a robotic drive assembly to generate a 3 dimensional model of a
cell in a computer based on objective, and focal length.  This would amount
to either an auto focus system, or focusing on the highest point of a cell,
and then the slide.  From there the computer would asses the cell in steps
in the first order.

    If the microscopes software follows through this full featured design
sequence properly the order of events are as follows.

1. Objective start step, and finish step pinion settings.
2. Step 1 of the tunable laser frequency, either the highest, or lowest.
3. Polarized Rotation stepping and images are accumulated.
4. Next Objective step.
5. Goto step 3 until Objective step = last step.
6. Next laser output frequency.
7. Goto 3 until laser output frequency = last frequency.

A binary search would be used to find the image files which contained the
highest contrast, and mark, or rename each file.  Then use the compressed
light range to generate a complete image out of overlaying the images
produced in the grayscale format.  I have leave you with the three
dimensional stuff, because that's a trigonometric function of boxes in a
box.


Selected tunable laser Diode sites

http://www.maycomm.com/
http://aesd.larc.nasa.gov/C/CF/CF12f.html

Robotics positioner assemblies.
http://mwrn.com/product/light_microscopy/accessories.htm


Instrument grade low light Imaging tube spec sheet.
http://www.burle.com/cgi-bin/byteserver.pl/pdf/4804h.pdf


The Flavored Coffee Guy.








From owner-molec-model@net.bio.net Sun Feb 14 22:00:00 1999
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I'd like to announce the first public release of DockCam, a small 3D
visualization program to view docking results.  It reads PDB files,
and is well suited to reading in large numbers of molecules, for 
quick and easy visualization.

It's totally FREE!  Executables for SGI and Linux are available.

To get it go to:

www.dockvision.com



Steven Ness.


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ABI 430, working: $6,000
ABI 430, rebuilt, warranteed: $10,500
ABI 433, upgraded by ABI from 431: $39,000
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On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 00:30:13 -0800, "user793871"
<user793871@earthlink.net> wrote:

>I am looking for some databsaes on the net that have information about
>speciific compounds. Hopefully a model of tehm as well. Anyone know of
>something?
>I know of one called the CIS (Chemical Information System) but I cant find
>it on the net.
>Please email me.
>Sincerely
>user793871@earthlink.net
>
>
>

Check
info.CAS.org
or
www.chemcenter.org




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I am looking for some databsaes on the net that have information about
speciific compounds. Hopefully a model of tehm as well. Anyone know of
something?
I know of one called the CIS (Chemical Information System) but I cant find
it on the net.
Please email me.
Sincerely
user793871@earthlink.net




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http://webbook.nist.gov





From owner-molec-model@net.bio.net Sat Feb 20 22:00:00 1999
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From: "Achim Recktenwald" <achimr@home.com>
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Try http://www.chemfinder.com/
The search-engine gives not only basic data to the compound of interest -
the chemical structure, as well - and then a long list of cross-references
in other web-databases - extremely helpful.

Achim


user793871 wrote in message <7agjmt$h3k$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
>I am looking for some databsaes on the net that have information about
>speciific compounds. Hopefully a model of tehm as well. Anyone know of
>something?
>I know of one called the CIS (Chemical Information System) but I cant find
>it on the net.
>Please email me.
>Sincerely
>user793871@earthlink.net
>
>
>



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From owner-molec-model@net.bio.net Tue Feb 23 22:00:00 1999
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From: Guillermo Moyna <gmoyna@cbnmr.chem.tamu.edu>
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Subject: Gaussian 98 stuff
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Dear netters,

Does anybody knows a trick to make Gaussian98 calculate chemical shifts
at the MP2 level? Supposedly it should do it, but I'm having big
problmes. Please, answer me by e-mail...


-- 
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Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
University of the Sciences in Philadelphia
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Phone: (215)-596-8552 (ext. 1)
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I am looking for C++ class libraries relevant to molecular dynamics. 
Does anyone know where I might find some?

Deacon Sweeney
Wright State University

From owner-molec-model@net.bio.net Wed Feb 24 22:00:00 1999
From: spg@jabez.anu.edu.au (Steve Greatbanks)
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Subject: Re: Gaussian 98 stuff
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In article <36D40A3D.4615@cbnmr.chem.tamu.edu>, Guillermo Moyna wrote:
>Dear netters,
>
>Does anybody knows a trick to make Gaussian98 calculate chemical shifts
>at the MP2 level? Supposedly it should do it, but I'm having big
>problmes. Please, answer me by e-mail...

Guillermo,

You should expect people to reply to newsgroups if you send a question
in a newsgroup - could be useful to people other than you. I've
followed up as well sending you an email copy (as a courtesy).
Anyway, I'm not sure what your problem exactly is because you fail to
describe it, but test415 of the gaussian test suite appears to be what 
you are looking for... (I do not know if you have the programmer's
reference or the source for g98).

This works on all our machines here

--start--
#p mp2/6-311G(df,pd) 5d 7f Units=Bohr NMR test

First section of Gaussian Test Job 415:
Fluoro-ethylene MP2 NMR

0,1
F      -2.02476070     0.33315211      .00000000
C       0.24111266    -0.85292320      .00000000
C       2.40542436     0.41348845      .00000000
H       0.04195708    -2.89204527      .00000000
H       2.44295852     2.45832509      .00000000
H       4.17176525    -0.61421962      .00000000

--end--
As you can see, the only non-standard bit in here is the 5d 7f
part. However, these are not the source of the problem...

For some reason, options like

#p mp2/3-21g nmr=giao 

do not set the right route and do not enter l1002, but the exactly 
equivalent command line of

#p mp2/3-21g nmr

Works fine!

In summary, just ensure that if you are using nmr=giao (which seems to
be the best method anyway), make sure you just use the equivalent
`nmr'. If you need to use the other nmr methods, set them using
iop(10/45=xx) where xx=1 for single gauge origin, xx=2 for IGAIM and
xx=4 for CSGT. The route generator appears to be rather ill 

i.e. #p mp2/3-21g nmr                 works (checked)
     #p mp2/3-21g nmr=giao            is broken (checked)


Hope that helps,


Steve Greatbanks

ps - this is with g98a6
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From owner-molec-model@net.bio.net Fri Feb 26 22:00:00 1999
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	0) BIOSCI NEEDS YOUR SUPPORT!!

	1) Using the WWW to access the BIOSCI/bionet newsgroups.

	2) What to do about "spams," i.e., junk mail, ads, etc.

	3) Examples of subscribing and unsubscribing to the mailing lists.

	4) The BIOSCI user address and research interest directory.


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1) Using the WWW to access the BIOSCI/bionet newsgroups.
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As of 10 December 1995, all BIOSCI/bionet full newsgroups are
accessible through the World Wide Web (WWW) at URL http://www.bio.net.
One can read and reply publicly or privately to both recent postings
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-------------------------------------------------------
BIOSCI is a set of parallel USENET newsgroups (the "bionet" groups),
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From owner-molec-model@net.bio.net Sat Feb 27 22:00:00 1999
Path: biosci!news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!remarQ-uK!remarQ.com!supernews.com!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail
From: "Don Ainley" <don@ainley.freeserve.co.uk>
Newsgroups: alt.drugs.chemistry,alt.advanced.placed.or.honors.chemistry.2,alt.sci.physics,bionet.molec-model,ntu.sci.chemistry
Subject: Re: Anyone know some good compound databases?
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 20:19:37 -0000
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Try http://webbook.nist.gov/chemistry/ for organic compounds.

Don Ainley



From owner-molec-model@net.bio.net Sun Feb 28 22:00:00 1999
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From: "Don Ainley" <don@ainley.freeserve.co.uk>
Newsgroups: alt.drugs.chemistry,alt.advanced.placed.or.honors.chemistry.2,alt.sci.physics,bionet.molec-model,ntu.sci.chemistry
Subject: Re: Anyone know some good compound databases?
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Try
                        webbook.nist.gov/chemistry/

for organic compounds.

Don Ainley



From owner-molec-model@net.bio.net Sun Feb 28 22:00:00 1999
Path: biosci!CORNELL.EDU!eev1
From: eev1@CORNELL.EDU (Elaine Van Etten)
Newsgroups: bionet.molec-model
Subject: Faculty Position Available
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BIODIVERSITY OF PLANTS


The Boyce Thompson Institute for Plant Research at Cornell University

invites applications for a tenure-track position for a junior level

scientist who uses genomics or proteomics approaches to study

fundamental mechanisms underlying plant biodiversity at the organismal

or population levels.  Research areas of interest include, but are not

limited to:


- Adaptation to biotic or abiotic stresses or environmental factors

- Genetics and biochemistry of plant-insect or plant-pathogen

interactions

- Molecular analysis of ecological systems


The successful candidate will establish an independent,

extramurally-funded research program and collaborate with colleagues
at

the Boyce Thompson Institute and elsewhere on the Cornell University

campus.  This position is synergistic with the Cornell Genomics

Initiative which is a comprehensive effort to recruit 20 new genomics

faculty to the Cornell campus and significantly upgrade facilities and

infrastructure for genomics and proteomics research.  Excellent
start-up

funds and benefits are available. Review of applications will begin

April 5, 1999 and continue until the position is filled.


Applicants should send a curriculum vitae, statement of research

interests, and names of at least three references to Molecular

Biodiversity Search Committee, Boyce Thompson Institute, Ithaca, New

York 14853.  Questions regarding the position may be directed to Dr.

David Stern, 607-254-1306; e-mail ds28@cornell.edu or Dr. Robert
Kohut,

607-254-1233, e-mail rjk9@cornell.edu.


Boyce Thompson Institute is a private, independent, non-profit
research

institute formally affiliated with Cornell University.  The institute
is

an affirmative action, equal opportunity employer and is committed to

increasing the diversity of its faculty and staff. Applications from

women and minorities are encouraged.








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