From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Mon Jul 05 23:00:00 1993 Path: biosci!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!toxic!tyersome From: tyersome@toxic (Randall Tyers) Newsgroups: alt.memetics,bionet.population-bio,sci.environment,talk.environment,alt.rush-limbaugh Subject: Re: OVERPOPULATION Summary: How much space do we really need? Message-ID: <21cr3u$qk2@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: 6 Jul 93 21:33:50 GMT References: <1993Jul6.184720.21998@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> <21cl1t$a8p@fermat.mayo.edu> Reply-To: tyersome@toxic.Berkeley.EDU Followup-To: alt.rush-limbaugh Organization: Plant Biology Lines: 52 Xref: biosci alt.memetics:78 bionet.population-bio:449 sci.environment:8312 talk.environment:5403 alt.rush-limbaugh:25643 NNTP-Posting-Host: toxic.berkeley.edu In article <21cl1t$a8p@fermat.mayo.edu> vdp@mayo.edu writes: >what the heck is this thread doing in alt.memetics ? > >In article 21998@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu, krueger@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu >--deletions--- >#You had better take that overpopulation bunk somewhere else. Here on >#alt.rush-limbaugh, we have dealt with it before. >--deletions--- >#I have likewise done calculations supposing that the entire world population >#would live in a metropolitan area the size of the state of Texas. I >#demonstrated that half the state could give every family a nice sized home, >#and the other half of the state could be used for parks, schools and >#places for adults to work. >--deletions--- >#Understand that I am not advocating that everyone move to Texas, just >#arguing that, while some isolated areas are overpopulated, the world is >#not even within an order of magnitude. There is a difference between overpopulation and overcrowding which is what you are talking about. >such arguments can be expected from a rush-limbaugh fan only. i guess one has >to have IQ less than 10 to be a rush limbaugh fan. the problem of oper-population >has not much to do with having 10 sqr feet of land to build your house on. its >to do with having resources to support a certain population. one does not just >need land to live: need food, energy, shelter and so on ... & sewage treatment, garbage disposal, or maybe that's what these limbaughians are goin to eat? A perfect closed system! But hey, give the guy a break, he left lots of space for supermarkets :) Anyone have a good estimate for how much area is needed to provide a _minimal_ caloric intake (vegetarian only of course) per person? Also what percentage of the world's surface is arable, ie. not desert, deep ocean, mountain, ice- field or other agriculturally unuseable land. These people need to be educated not insulted - some people tend to believe anything they read, if it allows them to continue behaving in the same comfortable way. They then fix on those beliefs in preference to doing their own thinking ... Once you rub their noses in the truth some of them may change their ways or at least shut up and stop spreading second hand bullshit. Apologies to any alt.misanthropy people out there for this pathetic display of hopefulness and positive thinking ... and also to the various groups to which I cross posted this. Randall Tyers tyersome@insect.berkeley.edu To the limbaughians, you also might consider what is going to happen as the 5.3 billion people continue to breed. You may have noticed that the number of people keeps going up. Even if you feel that 5.3 E9 is acceptable do you really want 20 E9, 60 E9? Do you know what happens to populations that exceed their carrying capacity (look it up)? From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Mon Jul 05 23:00:00 1993 Path: biosci!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!darwin.sura.net!ua1ix!comec4.mh.ua.edu!rob From: rob@comec4.mh.ua.edu Newsgroups: bionet.population-bio Subject: Genetic Algorithms Conf. Schedule and Registration Info. Message-ID: <1993Jul06.160935.172239@ua1ix.ua.edu> Date: 6 Jul 93 16:09:35 GMT Sender: news@ua1ix.ua.edu Organization: The University of Alabama Lines: 1377 Nntp-Posting-Host: comec4.mh.ua.edu Schedule and Registration Information ICGA-93 The Fifth International Conference on Genetic Algorithms 17-21 July, 1993 University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign The Fifth International Conference on Genetic Algorithms (ICGA-93), will be held on July 17-21, 1993 at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. This meeting brings together an international community from academia, government, and industry interested in algorithms suggested by the evolutionary process of natural selection. Topics of particular interest include: genetic algorithms and classifier systems, evolution strategies, and other forms of evolutionary computation; machine learning and optimization using these methods, their relations to other learning paradigms (e.g., neural networks and simulated annealing), and mathematical descriptions of their behavior. The meeting will include pre-conference tutorials, invited speakers, and workshops. A registration form is included below. For more ICGA-93 registration information, contact: Lori Costello Conferences & Institutes Univ. of Illinois 302 E. John St. Suite 202, Champaign, IL 61820 Telephone: (217) 333-2888 E-Mail: loric@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu Questions on the conference program should be directed to icga93@unmvax.cs.unm.edu. Other questions should be directed to rob@comec4.mh.ua.edu. PROGRAM Saturday, July 17, 1993 12-3:00pm Registration Levis Faculty Center (Lobby, Main Floor) 1-5:00pm Tutorials Levis Faculty Center ICGA '93 will begin with the presentation of three parallel tutorial sessions. Conference attendees may attend one of these sessions for a supplementary fee. Tutorial 1: Introduction to Genetic Algorithms ( Music Room, 2ndFloor) Overview of Genetic Algorithms (90 minutes), Melanie Mitchell-- What genetic algorithms are; how, why, and by whom they were invented; how and why they work; comparisons with other algorithms; how to find out more about the genetic algorithm field; foundations of GA theory; genetic algorithms and artificial life; partial bibliography. Genetic Algorithm Applications (90 minutes), Lawrence Davis-- What kind of real-world problems are appropriate for genetic algorithms; design choices that must be made when applying genetic algorithms to real problems; partial survey of existing applications; partial survey of existing tools; some case histories. Tutorial 2: Advanced Genetic Algorithm Topics (3rd Floor) Genetic Algorithm Theory (90 minutes), Darrell Whitley-- The schema theorem and its ramifications; deception; recent approaches to the study of genetic algorithm performance; recent approaches to the study of genetic algorithm failure. Classifier Systems and Modeling (90 minutes), Rob Smith-- Introduction to classifier systems; recent advances in classifier system theory and practice; classifier systems as modeling tools; genetic algorithms and neural networks; genetic algorithms and artificial life. Tutorial 3: Spotlighted Technologies (Room 407) Evolutionary Programming (45 minutes), David Fogel-- Description and overview of evolutionary programming; history of the field; relation of evolutionary programming to biological evolution; theoretical aspects of the field; survey of existing applications. Evolution Strategies (45 minutes), Thomas Back-- Description and overview of evolution strategies; comparison with other technologies; engineering solutions with evolution strategies; survey of existing applications. Genetic Programming (90 minutes), John Koza-- Description and overview of genetic programming; example applications; future directions; brief video demonstrations. 7:00pm Reception/Registration Levis Faculty Center (Lobby, Main Floor) Sunday, July 18, 1993 8am-12:30pm Registration Krannert Center (KCPA) (Colwell Playhouse Foyer) 8:30-9:00am Coffee KCPA (Colwell Playhouse Foyer) 9-9:15am Welcoming Remarks/ Administrative Announcements KCPA (Colwell Playhouse ) 9:15-10:15am"Dynamical Systems and Evolution" Invited Speaker: David Campbell, Dept. of Physics, University of Illinois KCPA (Colwell Playhouse ) 10:15-11am Break KCPA (Colwell Playhouse Foyer) 11-12:30pm Technical Sessions KCPA/Levis Scheduling applications (Levis, 3rd Floor) R. Bruns, ``Direct chromosome representation and advanced genetic operators for production scheduling'' F.F. Easton and N. Mansour, ``A distributed genetic algorithm for employee staffing and scheduling problems'' P. Ross and H.-L. Fang, ``A promising genetic algorithm approach to job-shop scheduling, re-scheduling and open-shop scheduling problems'' Theory (Levis, Room 407) F. Palmieri and X. Qi, ``The diversification role of crossover in the genetic algorithms'' L.M. Patnaik and M. Srinivas, ``Binomially distributed populations for modelling GAs'' M. de la Maza and B. Tidor, ``An analysis of selection procedures with particular attention paid to proportional and Boltzmann selection'' Overviews and operators (Krannert Playhouse) K. De Jong and W. Spears, ``On the state of evolutionary computation'' I. Harvey, ``The puzzle of the persistent question marks: a case study of genetic drift'' D.M. Tate and A.E. Smith, ``Expected allele coverage and the role of mutation in genetic algorithms'' 12:30-2pm Lunch (Brown Bag) KCPA (Main Lobby, 5th Floor) 1:30-5:00pm Registration Levis (Lobby, Main Floor) 2-3:30pm Technical Sessions Levis Genetic algorithms and neural networks (3rd Floor) T. Uthmann and D. Polani, ``Training Kohonen feature maps in different topologies: an analysis using genetic algorithms'' F. Gruau, ``Genetic synthesis of modular neural networks'' S.G. Romaniuk, ``Evolutionary growth perceptrons'' D.S. Feldman, ``Fuzzy network synthesis with genetic algorithms'' Scheduling and other applications (Room 407) M.J. Shaw, I. Lee, and R. Sikora, ``Joint lot sizing and sequencing with genetic algorithms for scheduling: evolving the chromosome structure'' M.D. Kidwell, ``Using genetic algorithms to schedule distributed tasks on a bus-based system'' M. Schoenauer and S. Xanthakis, ``Constrained GA optimization'' S.R. Thangiah, ``Vehicle routing and time deadlines using genetic and local algorithms'' Theory (Music Room, 2nd Floor) T.N. Bui and B.R. Moon, ``Hyperplane synthesis for genetic algorithms'' J. Horn, ``Finite Markov chain analysis of genetic algorithms with niching'' J. Suzuki, ``A Markov chain analysis on a genetic algorithm'' S.J. Louis and G.J.E. Rawlins, ``Pareto optimality, GA-easiness and deception (extended abstract)'' 3:40-4:15pm Break Levis (2nd Floor) 4:15-5:30pm Technical Sessions Levis Genetic Operators (3rd Floor) N.J. Radcliffe and F.A.W. George, ``A study in set recombination'' D. Thierens and D.E. Goldberg, ``Mixing in genetic algorithms'' L.J. Eshelman and J.D. Schaffer, ``Crossover's niche'' Applications (Room 407) R. Unger and J. Moult, ``A genetic algorithm for 3D protein folding simulations'' G. Jones, R.D. Brown, D.E. Clark, P. Willett, and R.C. Glen, ``Searching databases of two-dimensional and three-dimensional chemical structures using genetic algorithms'' H.A. Guvenir and I. Sirin, ``A genetic algorithm for classification by feature partitioning'' Classifier systems (Music Room, 2nd Floor ) J. Oliver, ``Discovering individual decision rules: an application of genetic algorithms'' R.A. Zitar and M.H. Hassoun, ``Regulator control via genetic search assisted reinforcement learning'' P. Bonelli and A. Parodi, ``A new approach to fuzzy classifier systems''I 7:00pm Midwest Bar-B-Q Dinner Chancellor Hotel Midwest Ballroom 1501 S. Neil, Champaign Shuttle Bus Provided (Informal Dress) Monday, July 19, 1993 8am-12:30pm Registration From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Wed Jul 07 23:00:00 1993 Path: biosci!bcm!cs.utexas.edu!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!ua1ix!comec4.mh.ua.edu!rob From: rob@comec4.mh.ua.edu Newsgroups: bionet.population-bio Subject: Genetic Algorithms Conference Info Message-ID: <1993Jul08.131957.103359@ua1ix.ua.edu> Date: 8 Jul 93 13:19:57 GMT Sender: news@ua1ix.ua.edu Organization: The University of Alabama Lines: 319 Nntp-Posting-Host: comec4.mh.ua.edu -- Apparently, the GA conference schedule I posted the other day bounced from many newsgroups, due to size constraints. If anyone would like a copy of this schedule, please email me. I've enclosed a copy of the registration information. I hope to see all of you there. Looks like it's going to be a great conference again this year! ICGA-93 The Fifth International Conference on Genetic Algorithms 17-21 July, 1993 University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign The Fifth International Conference on Genetic Algorithms (ICGA-93), will be held on July 17-21, 1993 at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. This meeting brings together an international community from academia, government, and industry interested in algorithms suggested by the evolutionary process of natural selection. Topics of particular interest include: genetic algorithms and classifier systems, evolution strategies, and other forms of evolutionary computation; machine learning and optimization using these methods, their relations to other learning paradigms (e.g., neural networks and simulated annealing), and mathematical descriptions of their behavior. The meeting will include pre-conference tutorials, invited speakers, and workshops. A registration form is included below. For more ICGA-93 registration information, contact: Lori Costello Conferences & Institutes Univ. of Illinois 302 E. John St. Suite 202, Champaign, IL 61820 Telephone: (217) 333-2888 E-Mail: loric@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu Questions on the conference program should be directed to icga93@unmvax.cs.unm.edu. Other questions should be directed to rob@comec4.mh.ua.edu. GENERAL AND REGISTRATION INFORMATION Location: The conference will be held at two locations on the University of Illinois campus--the Krannert Center for the Performing Arts located at 500 South Goodwin, Urbana, and the Levis Faculty Center located at 919 West Illinois, Urbana (directly east of Krannert). ICGA '93 is a non-smoking conference. Smoking is allowed in designated areas only. Transportation: Champaign-Urbana is located 135 miles south of Chicago on Interstates 72, 74, and 57. By Car: >From Chicago: Take I-57 south to I-74 east which runs along the north edge of Champaign-Urbana. Take the Lincoln Avenue exit south. Once you reach campus, turn right on Illinois Street. Campus Parking: Pay parking is available in the lot adjacent to the Levis Faculty Center and under the Krannert Center (both accessible from Illinois Street). Do not park in any area marked "reserved" as campus parking is enforced and you will be towed. By Air: >From Champaign-Urbana's Willard Airport: Currently, American Airlines' American Eagle Service, Trans World Express, and US Air Express serve Willard Airport. Corky's Limousine Service is available and meets all incoming flights. The cost from Willard to most hotels in Champaign-Urbana is $8. If you need to contact Corky's, you may call 217/352-3121. By Train: AMTRAK service is also available from Chicago and points south. Weather: The weather in Illinois can vary to extremes. Please be prepared to dress in layered, cool clothing as July is normally hot (80 - 100 ) and very humid. Rain wear is also suggested. On-Campus Recreation: If you wish to take advantage of the recreation facilities on campus, you may purchase an IMPE (Intramural-Physical Education) pass for $5 per day upon showing your name badge at each recreation facility. Messages: If someone needs to reach you during the conference, they may call the Levis Faculty Center at 217/333-6241 and leave a message. A message board will be placed at this conference site. Lodging: Accommodations may be obtained at the following hotels/motels. A shuttle service will be available for transportation from your hotel to/from the conference sites. All hotel reservations should be made in advance by telephoning or writing the individual hotels. Be sure to mention that you are attending the Genetic Algorithms conference, as a block of rooms has been reserved for those attending this conference. We have listed the special conference rates beside the hotel/motel. Make your reservations early as the block of rooms will be released for "first come, first serve" reservations after June 16, 1993. Jumer's Castle Lodge 209 S. Broadway Urbana, IL 61801 Located about 1/4 mile from the campus. Within brisk walking distance. Toll free 800/285-8637 Single Double $60.00 $70.00 Plus tax Plus tax University Inn 302 E. John Street Champaign, IL 61820 Located about 1/2 mile from the campus. Within brisk walking distance. 217/384-2100; Toll free 800/252-1368 in Illinois; Toll free 800/322-8282 outside IL Single Double $54.00 $61.00 Plus tax Plus tax Travelodge 409 W. University Urbana, IL 61801 Located about 1 mile from the campus. Toll free 800/255-3050 Single Double $33.00 Plus tax Campus Inn-University (Days Inn) 1701 S. State Champaign, IL 61820 Located about 1 mile from the campus 217/359-8888 Single Double $30.00 $35.00 Plus tax King or Queen Busey-Evens Dormitory 1111 West Nevada Urbana, IL 61801 Located on campus 217/333-1766 $23.15 Plus tax Community Bath Registration Fee: Registrations received before 6/12/93 are $250 for participants and $100 for students. All registrations received on or after 6/12/93 and walk-in registrations at the conference will be $295 for participants and $125 for students. This includes entry to all technical sessions, 3 lunches, coffee breaks, reception Saturday evening, conference materials, and conference proceedings. Attendee and guest tickets for the banquet and guest tickets for the Sunday reception may be purchased at an additional cost (see attached registration form). Also, there is a separate fee for the tutorials. A limited fund has been set aside to assist students and scientists with their travel expenses. Students should have their advisor certify their student status and that sufficient funds are not available. If you are interested in obtaining such assistance and need travel support, send a letter before May 22, 1993 describing your situation and needs to: Larry Eshelman, Philips Laboratories, 345 Scarborough Road, Briarcliff Manor, NY 10510. Address questions to: lje@philabs.philips.com. To Register: Early registration is recommended. There are four ways you may register. Complete and mail the attached form or phone (217)244-7659 to register. Please be sure to call our office if your registration may be late in arriving. You may also FAX your registration to (217)333-9561. You may receive an e-mail registration by contacting loric@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu If you register by phone, fax, or e-mail, please remember to send a copy of the registration form with your payment to the Accounting Business Office within one week. Should you have additional questions, please call Lori Costello at 217/333-2888 or e-mail loric@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu. ---------------------------------------------- REGISTRATION FORM: The 5th International Conference on Genetic Algorithms July 17-21, 1993 UFAS Acct. #1-3-63141-0660 Four Easy Ways To Register 1. Fill out the form and mail with payment to: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Accounting Business Office, Room 162 Henry Administration Building, 506 South Wright Street, Urbana, IL 61801. 2. Call 217-244-7659 and the registration team will take your registration over the phone. 3. Call 217-333-9561 to FAX your registration. 4. E-mail: receive an e-mail form by contacting loric@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu. The deadline for e-mail registrations and to receive all e-mail registration fees is July 9, 1993. IF YOU REGISTER BY PHONE, FAX, OR E-MAIL: Please remember to send a hard copy of the registration form with your payment to the Accounting Business Office within one week of registration. Registration/Badge Information Please print or type __________________________________________________________________ Last Name First Name MI __________________________________________________________________ Affiliation/Business __________________________________________________________________ Address __________________________________________________________________ City State Zip __________________________________________________________________ Country __________________________________________________________________ Business Phone Home Phone REGISTRATION FEES: (all figures in US Dollars) Indicate your selection Conference Registration Fee Registration before 6/12/93 On or after 6/12/93 Participant $250 Participant $295 Student* $100 Student* $125 Tutorial for July 17 Before 6/12/93 On or after 6/12/93 Participant $75 Participant $95 Student $25 Student $50 Please specify choice: Tutorial I:__________ Tutorial II: __________ Tutorial III: __________ Banquet Tickets** Adult $30 # of tickets_______ amount_______ Child $10 # of tickets_______ amount_______ Additional Reception Tickets** Saturday $10 # of tickets_______ amount_______ Total Payment ________________________(U.S. Dollars) Method of Payment ______ Check enclosed (make payable to the University of Illinois, US banks only, send check with form to Accounting Business Office) ______ I prefer to charge on credit card Visa______ Mastercard______ American Express______ Card Number__________________________________ Exp. Date__________ Card Holder Signature______________________ From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Wed Jul 07 23:00:00 1993 Path: biosci!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!csd.unb.ca!news.ucs.mun.ca!kean.ucs.mun.ca!scarr From: scarr@kean.ucs.mun.ca Newsgroups: bionet.population-bio Subject: Bergmann's Rule Message-ID: <1993Jul8.162139.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca> Date: 8 Jul 93 19:51:39 GMT Sender: usenet@news.ucs.mun.ca (NNTP server account) Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada Lines: 20 Dear Netters Is anyone aware of any relatively recent review on ecogeographic rules, in particular Bergmann's Rule (colder/northern things are bigger)? I have a nice student laboratory based on a cline in body size of ermines (Mustela erminea) from temperate to high arctic North America, using empirical data (ie., the kids do the measurements) and Hall's monograph. But I can't find any general discussion more recent that Rensch's 'Evolution above the species level' (1959). All the standard texts cite it as common but never same to give specific reference to the primary literature. Thanks in advance for any help. Steve Carr Dept. of Biology Memorial University of Newfoundland St. John's NF A1B 3X9 Canada scarr@kean.ucs.mun.ca From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Thu Jul 08 23:00:00 1993 Path: biosci!bcm!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!pipex!uknet!liv!pm1 From: pm1@liverpool.ac.uk (Mr. P.J.M. Milligan) Newsgroups: bionet.population-bio Subject: Bergmann's Rule Message-ID: Date: 9 Jul 93 14:04:13 GMT Sender: news@liverpool.ac.uk (News System) Organization: The University of Liverpool Lines: 18 Nntp-Posting-Host: uxd.liv.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] A (very slightly) more recent reference is: Ray (1960) The application of Bergmann's and Allen's rules to the poikilotherms. J. morphol. 106:85-108. R.Lane applied Bergmann's rule to sandflies (chap. 6 in Biosystematics of haematophagous insects, ed. by M Service, Oxford Univ. Press, 1988). He also mentions Allen's rule: appendages are proportionally longer in cooler areas - and Gloger's rule: animals from warmer areas are more heavily pigmented. Paul Milligan Unit for Statistics and Epidemiology Liverpool School of Tropical Medicine Liverpool L3 5QA pm1@liverpool.ac.uk From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Mon Jul 12 23:00:00 1993 Path: biosci!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!hydra!klaava!klaava!not-for-mail From: norrdahl@kruuna.Helsinki.FI (Kai Norrdahl) Newsgroups: bionet.population-bio Subject: Re: Bergmann's Rule Message-ID: <21u07d$opk@kruuna.Helsinki.FI> Date: 13 Jul 93 09:45:17 GMT References: <1993Jul8.162139.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca> Organization: University of Helsinki Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: kruuna.helsinki.fi X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] scarr@kean.ucs.mun.ca wrote: > I have a nice student laboratory based on a cline in body size of ermines > (Mustela erminea) from temperate to high arctic North America, using > empirical data (ie., the kids do the measurements) and Hall's monograph. Probably you are already aware of papers discussing geographical trends in Mustelidae, but in case some of the following references is unknown to you, I give a short list of some possibly interesting ones: M. erminea: Erlinge,Sam (1987): Why do European stoats Mustela erminea not follow Bergmann's rule? - Holarctic Ecology 10:33-39 Ralls, Katherine & Harvey, Paul H. (1985): Geographic variation in size and sexual dimorphism of North American weasels. - Biologian Journal of the Linnean Society 25:119-167. M. nivalis: Schmidt, Krzysztof (1992): Skull variability of Mustela nivalis Linnaeus, 1766 in Poland. - Acta Theriologica 37:141-162. Stolt, Bengt-Olov (1979): Colour pattern and size variation of the weasel Mustela nivalis L. in Sweden. - Zoon 7:55-61. Martes martes/foina: Reig, Santiago (1992): Geographic variation in pine marten (Martes martes) and beech marten (M. foina) in Europe. - Journal of Mammalogy 73:744-769. Kai Norrdahl Dept of Zoology / Div of Ecology Univ of Helsinki From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Mon Jul 12 23:00:00 1993 Path: biosci!daresbury!daresbury!news From: BROWNNL@VMS1.ACADEMIC-COMPUTING-SERVICE.BIRMINGHAM.AC.UK (Nigel Brown) Newsgroups: bionet.population-bio Subject: INTERNATIONAL GENETICS CONGRESS Message-ID: <1993Jul13.140730.8480@gserv1.dl.ac.uk> Date: 13 Jul 93 15:03:00 GMT Sender: list-admin@daresbury.ac.uk Distribution: bionet Lines: 42 Original-To: POP-BIO@UK.AC.DARESBURY XVII INTERNATIONAL CONGRESS OF GENETICS AUGUST 15-21 1993, BIRMINGHAM, U.K. There is still room for participants at the International Congress of Genetics. Registration is 315 pounds sterling (or 75 pounds per day). The deadline for posters has been extended, and abstracts can be sent up to 19 July 1993. Later posters can be accepted (subject to space) but will not appear in the Abstracts Book. Note that Proceedings of the Congress will not be widely published this time; you will have to be there! Plenary lectures will be given by: Max Perutz, Richard Lewontin, Barry Hall, Elliot Meyerowitz, Obaid Siddiqi, Elizabeth Blackburn, French Anderson, Greg Winter, Walter Gehring, Henri Buc, Adrienne Clark, Richard Flavell, Alec Jeffreys. There are 40 symposia and 44 specialist workshops. Posters will be displayed throughout the congress. There are evening and Saturday Public Awareness Lectures which participants can also attend. FURTHER DETAILS from: Derek Smith (Secretary General) The University of Birmingham R.S.I.L. Edgbaston, Birmingham B15 2TT, U.K. Tel: UK+21-414-5888 or -4569 Fax: UK+21-414-3850 or -4577 E-mail (Internet) requests to N.L.Brown@BHAM.AC.UK will be forwarded. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- | Nigel L. Brown | Birmingham: England's second city. | | Biological Sciences | More trees than Paris; | | Univ. Birmingham, U.K. | more canals than Venice.| --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Tue Jul 13 23:00:00 1993 Path: biosci!parc!decwrl!decwrl!wupost!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!jimdb From: jimdb@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Newsgroups: bionet.biology.tropical,bionet.population-bio,bionet.general,bionet.jobs,sci.bio,sci.environment,sci.research,talk.environment Subject: Research Asst. Needed: Pronghorn Ecology & Reproductive Biology Message-ID: <1993Jul13.224854.51734@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Date: 14 Jul 93 04:48:52 GMT Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services Lines: 25 Xref: biosci bionet.biology.tropical:236 bionet.population-bio:455 bionet.general:5484 bionet.jobs:2054 sci.bio:4114 sci.environment:8740 sci.research:1018 talk.environment:5519 >>I am posting this for a friend, please reply to him directly<< Field assistants are needed in the summer (July-August) and the fall (September-November) to help in a long-term study of the behavior and ecology of pronghorn antelope in Colorado. Any students interested in behavior and evolution are welcome to apply. Primary duties include behavioral observations and videotaping of focal bucks, and vegetational sampling of territories. Basic observational equipment (binoculars, spotting scope) and patience are required. Housing will be provided and additinal funds are pending. To apply, please send a letter describing your qualifications and interests, and the names, addresses and phone numbers of two references to one of the following addreses: Sherwick Min P.O. Box 144 Kremmling, CO 80459 303-724-9470 Thanks for your interest.-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim Danoff-Burg (Snow Museum, Univ. of Kansas, Lawrence, KS 66045) Bitnet: JIMDB@UKANVAX Internet:jimdb@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu "Myrmecophiles-R-Us" From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Sun Jul 18 23:00:00 1993 Path: biosci!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!sdd.hp.com!swrinde!network.ucsd.edu!mvb.saic.com!cpva!finleys From: finleys@cpva.saic.com Newsgroups: bionet.population-bio Subject: help Message-ID: <17187.2c4a52eb@cpva.saic.com> Date: 19 Jul 93 15:53:15 GMT Organization: Science Applications Int'l Corp./San Diego Lines: 74 Note: This is posted for Isaac Diwan @ SAIC. Please forward any replies to this account: FINLEYS@CPVA.SAIC.COM Thanks. I am working under contract to EPA's Office of Ground Water and Drinking Water to identify sources of information (e.g electronic databases) that will be used by EPA in determining future drinking water contaminants for control. I am interested in knowing whether there are databases available that might provide a source of some occurrence related information or information from which occurrence of contaminants in drinking water could be estimated. In general, the types of information EPA is seeking falls within the following categories - chemical-specific data (e.g., information on physical-chemical properties and environmental fate); - production, use, release and geological information (e.g., data pertaining to chemical manufacturing and storage sites, waste disposal releases, pesticide/fertilizer uses/releases, locations of naturally-occurring contaminants, etc.); - environmental/ecological analytical data (e.g., information concerning contaminated sediments, results of contaminated fish/aquatic species tissue studies, etc.); - hazardous ranking or exposure assessment data; - water treatment process data (including such technologies as ion exchange, reverse osmosis, filtration and oxidation); and, - occurrence and co-occurrence data (e.g., monitoring and other data from raw and source waters covering both ground and surface waters). Some information that I am looking for and that would be really helpful at this stage of the project would be: 1) A data dictionary and/or a users guide or any other additional information 2) Names of people to contact to gain access to databased or documents 3) A description of the goals and objectives of the database? For example, is the system intended to track compliance or is it intended for some other purpose? 4) Type of Data (includes coverage, origin, record and time information) 5) Does the database reflect a census or sample (e.g. Simple random, Cluster, Stratified, etc.) 6) What are the current sources of information for the database? For example, is the information supplied by state agencies or the regulated community? 7) What categories of information does the database contain? For example, (a) water treatment plant data and (b) water sampling and monitoring data? 8) Examples of the data elements contained within the database, and description of the fields (or field names). 9) What range of information is contained in the database? (e.g. Bibliographic, Directory, Numeric, etc.) 10) The number of records in the database, and the update frequency. 11) The year the database originated? 12) The frequency of data collection? 13) Access Information and search aids available for accessing the database. I would appreciate any of the information outlined above that anybody can provide. From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Thu Jul 22 23:00:00 1993 Path: biosci!NET.BIO.NET!kristoff From: kristoff@NET.BIO.NET (David Kristofferson) Newsgroups: bionet.population-bio Subject: IMPORTANT BIOSCI INFORMATION Message-ID: <9307230900.AA19969@net.bio.net> Date: 23 Jul 93 09:00:03 GMT Sender: kristoff@net.bio.net Distribution: bionet Lines: 243 Three important items follow: BIOSCI archive searching by e-mail, the BIOSCI FAQ, and the BIOSCI User Address Directory form. If you have not yet listed yourself in our e-mail address directory, please take a few minutes to complete and return the form below. If your address information has changed since you listed yourself, please send us an updated form. Sincerely, Dave Kristofferson BIOSCI/bionet Manager kristoff@net.bio.net **** SEARCHING BIOSCI ARCHIVES WITH WAISMAIL **** E-mail users can search the BIOSCI archives by using our waismail e-mail server. For instructions send the message help to waismail@net.bio.net. 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Thanks again for your cooperation! --------------- please cut here and return portion below --------------- New information or Update to old record (enter N or U): date (DD-MM-YY): first name: middle initial: family name: job title: e-mail address: e-mail network: phone number: FAX number: institution: address1: address2: address3: city: state/province: country: postal code: research interest: research interest: comment: comment: comment: comment: comment: From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Mon Jul 26 23:00:00 1993 Path: biosci!daresbury!doc.ic.ac.uk!pipex!uunet!munnari.oz.au!metro!basser.cs.su.oz.au!news From: danny@orthanc.cs.su.oz.au (Danny) Newsgroups: alt.books.reviews,rec.arts.books,sci.bio,bionet.population-bio Subject: Book Review - The Dialectical Biologist Message-ID: <1993Jul27.021848.9075@cs.su.oz.au> Date: 27 Jul 93 02:18:48 GMT Sender: news@cs.su.oz.au (News) Reply-To: danny@cs.su.oz.au (Danny) Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia Lines: 63 Xref: biosci alt.books.reviews:524 rec.arts.books:24192 sci.bio:4297 bionet.population-bio:458 The Dialectical Biologist Richard Levins and Richard Lewontin Harvard University Press 1985 pp. 303 [ biology, philosophy of science ] "The Dialectical Biologist" is a collection of essays on various aspects of biology. Richard Lewontin is a population geneticist and Richard Levins is an ecologist, and they are both world-famous within their fields. But here they are also writing as Marxists (and dialectical materialists), and it is this that gives this book its unique perspective. It was by reading this book that I first came to an understanding of the dialectical method and attained some grasp of Marx and Engel's broader philosophy. Perhaps this is because my understanding of biology is better than my understanding of economics and political theory, or perhaps it is simply because Marx's writings are difficult to come to grips with and the commentary on them is so contentious. The essays are divided into three sections. The first is about evolution, and the three essays it contains are all attacks on the adaptionist, neo-Darwinian view of the subject. The essays are lucid and well argued (as one would expect from the author of "The Genetic Basis of Evolutionary Change") but there is a bit of repetition between them (two of them were originally encyclopaedia articles on "Evolution" and "Adaption"). The second section, entitled "On Anlysis", contains a warning of the potential for misuse of the analysis of variance in genetics, a brilliantly funny parody "Isadore Nabi on the Tendencies of Motion", and an essay on the relationship between dialectics and reductionism which makes particular reference to community ecology. The third section, entitled "Science as a Social Product and the Social Product of Science", contains an eclectic collection of essays on the use of science and the effects of social factors on science. The essay titles are "Lysenkoism", "The Commoditization of Science", "Biology in the Third World", "Political Economy of Agricultural Research", "The Pesticide System", "Research Needs for Latin Community Health" and "What is Human Nature?". The essay on Lysenkoism was the one I found the most interesting; while not denying the scientific errors involved, it is concerned to explain the full complexities of the "affair", which are all too often ignored by those using it as a warning to further their own ends. The common feature of all the essays is respect for the complexities of social processes and scientific practice, and of the interaction between them. The conclusion is a short (around twenty page) general discussion on the philosophical foundations of science entitled "Dialectics". It is one of the best things I have ever read on the philosophy of science. All said, this is a great book which I heartily recommend to anyone with an interest in biology. Danny Yee (danny@cs.su.oz.au) 26/7/93 ------------------------------------------------------- this review may by requested from any Internet site via $ finger 'books=The_Dialectical_Biologist%danny@orthanc.cs.su.oz.au' a list of my other book reviews may be obtained with $ finger 'books%danny@orthanc.cs.su.oz.au' and individual reviews extracted similarly $ finger 'books=Title_From_Index%danny@orthanc.cs.su.oz.au' --------------------------------------------------------- From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Mon Jul 26 23:00:00 1993 Path: biosci!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!lynx.unm.edu!carina.unm.edu!rsquires From: rsquires@carina.unm.edu (roger m squires) Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,sci.bio,bionet.population-bio Subject: Re: Book Review - The Dialectical Biologist Message-ID: <233g6lINN83d@lynx.unm.edu> Date: 27 Jul 93 15:04:53 GMT References: <1993Jul27.021848.9075@cs.su.oz.au> Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Lines: 16 Xref: biosci rec.arts.books:24235 sci.bio:4305 bionet.population-bio:459 NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu In article <1993Jul27.021848.9075@cs.su.oz.au> danny@cs.su.oz.au (Danny) writes: >[ biology, philosophy of science ] > >"The Dialectical Biologist" is a collection of essays on various aspects >of biology. . . . > I liked the review, and would like opinions on Ernst Mayr's new book (I forget the title) which concerns the philosophy of biology. I thoroughly enjoyed his _The Growth of Biological Thought_ and wonder if the new one is worth buying. >Danny Yee (danny@cs.su.oz.au) rms From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Tue Jul 27 23:00:00 1993 Path: biosci!daresbury!zeta.bmc.uu.se!corax.udac.uu.se!sunic!uunet!usc!sdd.hp.com!network.ucsd.edu!news.service.uci.edu!nntpsrv From: steve@fisher.bio.uci.edu (Steve Frank) Newsgroups: bionet.population-bio Subject: Postdoctoral position in theoretical biology Message-ID: <2C55C64F.26097@news.service.uci.edu> Date: 28 Jul 93 00:20:31 GMT Reply-To: steve@fisher.bio.uci.edu (Steve Frank) Lines: 103 Nntp-Posting-Host: alice.bio.uci.edu Attached below is an advertisement for a postdoctoral position in theoretical population biology. Please distribute the advertisement to anyone who may be interested. In addition to the usual of subjects in theoretical population biology, I also have a strong interest in the evolution of learning. Individuals whose backgrounds are in computer science but also have some knowledge of biology may wish to send an inquiry or application. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Frank | Tel: 714-725-2244 Dept. of Ecology and | Fax: 714-725-2181 Evolutionary Biology | email: safrank@uci.edu Univ. of California | bitnt: safrank@uci.bitnet Irvine, CA 92717 | --------------------------------------------------------------- [NOTE: I will be out of town August 13-28.] --------------------------------------------------------------- POSTDOCTORAL POSITION, UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA, IRVINE THEORETICAL POPULATION BIOLOGY A postdoctoral position in theoretical population biology is open at UC Irvine for a period of one year. An extension is possible depending on the availability of funds. Excellent space and computational facilities will be provided. The main qualifications are independence and a record that demonstrates the ability to choose and analyze interesting biological problems. Topics of specific interest include, but are not limited to, host-parasite interactions, symbiosis, breeding systems, evolution of learning, and social behavior. Please submit a statement of research interests, curriculum vitae, relevant publications, and the names and phone numbers of at least two references by October 1, 1993 to S. A. Frank, Dept of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, University of California, Irvine, CA 92717. Inquiries may be sent by electronic mail to safrank@uci.edu. UCI is an equal opportunity/affirmative action employer committed to excellence through diversity. ---------------------------------------------------------------- DEPARTMENT OF ECOLOGY AND EVOLUTIONARY BIOLOGY UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA, IRVINE FACULTY AND THEIR RESEARCH INTERESTS Mark C. Andersen: Plant-herbivore interactions, quantitative ecology, conservation biology Peter R. Atsatt: Plant ecology and evolution Francisco J. Ayala: Population and evolutionary genetics Albert F. Bennett: Environmental physiology, physiological ecology Timothy J. Bradley: Comparative physiology of ion transport epithelia Roy J. Britten: Genome organization and evolution Nancy Burley: Behavioral ecology, sexual selection, social organization and communication Diane R. Campbell: Plant population biology, pollination ecology F. Lynn Carpenter: Community ecology, behavioral ecology Walter M. Fitch: Molecular and genetic evolution Steven A. Frank: Social behavior and evolutionary genetics Alan G. Gibbs: Comparative physiology and biochemistry, arthropod cuticle lipids and cell membranes Joseph L. Graves, Jr.: Evolution and physiology of aging in Drosophila, cultural diversity and structure of science James W. Hicks: Comparative physiology of circulation and gas exchange Richard R. Hudson: Theoretical population genetics, molecular genetics, DNA variation within populations George L. Hunt, Jr.: Behavioral ecology, Marine ornithology Robert K. Josephson: Comparative neurophysiology, muscle physiology Harold Koopowitz: Comparative neurophysiology, conservation of endangered plant species George V. Lauder, Jr.: Functional vertebrate morphology Laurence D. Mueller: Theoretical and empirical studies of density-dependent natural selection Eloy Rodriguez: Chemical ecology of plant-animal interactions Michael R. Rose: Evolution of life histories and genetic systems Arthur E. Weis: Evolutionary ecology of plant-insect interactions, plant population biology Stephen G. Weller: Plant reproductive ecology, plant population ecology From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Wed Jul 28 23:00:00 1993 Path: biosci!daresbury!zeta.bmc.uu.se!corax.udac.uu.se!sunic!uunet!noc.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!gaia.ucs.orst.edu!connected.com!connected.com!not-for-mail From: seth@hebron.connected.com Newsgroups: bionet.population-bio Subject: K00L Internation Numbers Message-ID: <237pa8$n9v@hebron.connected.com> Date: 29 Jul 93 06:04:56 GMT Organization: Connected INC -- Internet Services Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: hebron.connected.com Cc: I found these COOL internation phone sex lines, and they are FREE. So if you want to unload your STUFF all over the PHONE give them a call. 011-239-129-2620 & 011-592-247-846 From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Thu Jul 29 23:00:00 1993 Path: biosci!agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!by334 From: by334@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Yiing Lin) Newsgroups: bionet.population-bio Subject: Questions on Brook Trout (Salvelinus Fontinalus) Message-ID: <23bhq8$ddu@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: 30 Jul 93 16:21:28 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu I have the following questions pertaining to brook trout (Salvelinus Fontinalus): 1. Is it known around when brook trout became an independent species? 2. Where did brook trout reside/occur before they entered the Great Lakes region? 3. Are there any theories on when and where brook trout entered the Great Lakes region? I'm not sure if these questions are presently answerable, but if someone coule answer these questions and/or direct me to references which may be helpful in answering these questions, it would be greatly appreciated! -Yiing Cleveland, OH From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Fri Jul 30 23:00:00 1993 Path: biosci!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.cso.uiuc.edu!vmd.cso.uiuc.edu!LOWELL From: LOWELL@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu Newsgroups: bionet.population-bio Subject: Time series problems Message-ID: <16C1B1208C.LOWELL@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: 31 Jul 93 01:31:08 GMT Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Organization: C.C.S.O. Lines: 8 I couldn't find a biostatistics group (let me know if I just missed it) so I thought I'd try here. Does anyone know of a way of comparing two time series (both of which are autocorrelated) in the same way that one would compare two variables, say, with a t-test? I"ve figured out how to do a cross correlation, but that's not quite what I'm after. I would like to compare the means. Thanks-- Laura