From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Mon Jan 01 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!biosci!not-for-mail From: tcnixon@ix.netcom.com (Thomas Nixon ) Newsgroups: bionet.cellbiol,bionet.immunology,bionet.microbiology,bionet.molbio.ageing,bionet.molbio.embldatabank,bionet.molbio.evolution,bionet.mycology,bionet.neuroscience,bionet.parasitology,bionet.population-bio,bionet.protista,bionet.software Subject: Points of interest Date: 2 Jan 1996 11:47:49 -0800 Organization: Netcom Lines: 16 Sender: biohelp@net.bio.net Distribution: world Message-ID: <4ca6qk$knt@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: net.bio.net Xref: biosci bionet.cellbiol:3719 bionet.immunology:6776 bionet.microbiology:4387 bionet.molbio.ageing:2357 bionet.molbio.embldatabank:585 bionet.molbio.evolution:4054 bionet.mycology:3303 bionet.neuroscience:11885 bionet.parasitology:1300 bionet.population-bio:1725 bionet.protista:461 bionet.software:14322 Hello! I am a freelance writer working on a project concerning the academic research capabilities and assets of the internet. I am particularly interested in which sites/resources (WWW, Gopher, FTP, Lists, etc.) that regular users/researchers find most beneficial. I am seeking input from professors, teachers, researchers, students, and anyone else who has something to contribute. Please reply here, or preferably to: tcnixon@netcom.com Tom Nixon P.S. I apologize for the crossposting. This is the only time that this post will appear in this newsgroup. From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Tue Jan 02 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!sundog.tiac.net!schlegel.tiac.net!user From: schlegel@tiac.net (Lawrence Schlegel) Newsgroups: bionet.cellbiol,bionet.immunology,bionet.microbiology,bionet.molbio.ageing,bionet.molbio.embldatabank,bionet.molbio.evolution,bionet.mycology,bionet.neuroscience,bionet.parasitology,bionet.population-bio,bionet.protista,bionet.software Subject: Re: Points of interest Date: Tue, 02 Jan 1996 20:19:10 -0500 Organization: The Internet Access Company Lines: 32 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <4ca6qk$knt@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: schlegel.tiac.net Xref: biosci bionet.cellbiol:3723 bionet.immunology:6780 bionet.microbiology:4391 bionet.molbio.ageing:2360 bionet.molbio.embldatabank:586 bionet.molbio.evolution:4059 bionet.mycology:3305 bionet.neuroscience:11894 bionet.parasitology:1301 bionet.population-bio:1726 bionet.protista:462 bionet.software:14324 In article <4ca6qk$knt@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, tcnixon@ix.netcom.com (Thomas Nixon ) wrote: > Hello! > > I am a freelance writer working on a project concerning the > academic research capabilities and assets of the internet. I am > particularly interested in which sites/resources (WWW, Gopher, FTP, > Lists, etc.) that regular users/researchers find most beneficial. I am > seeking input from professors, teachers, researchers, students, and > anyone else who has something to contribute. > > Please reply here, or preferably to: tcnixon@netcom.com > > > Tom Nixon > > P.S. I apologize for the crossposting. This is the only time that > this post will appear in this newsgroup. I love the internet. There is so much out there. At school (Wesleyan University) and home I have access to the WWW, which is great. The amount of information available is amazing and very overwhelming. I just wish I knew more about it and how to access everything it has to offer. I did want to make a comment for your project, if it matters, and that is that it is great that several universities and colleges (actually most) offer relatively free (a low monthly cover fee) personal access and free general/campus-wide access. I believe this availability is definitely a significant factor to its widespread use and effectiveness at institutions of higher education. 'Just wanted to drop a quick note for a worthy project. I'd like to know what the results of your project are.:) sschlegel@wesleyan.edu From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Tue Jan 02 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!in2p3.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.rediris.es!news.cica.es!pcsie03 From: famacias@merlin.uca.es (International Allelopathic Society) Newsgroups: bionet.population-bio Subject: FIRST WORLD CONGRESS ON ALLELOPATHY Date: 3 Jan 1996 11:47:23 GMT Organization: Dept. Organic Quemistry.University of Cadiz Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4cdqcb$cbi@erika.cica.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: pcsie03.uca.es X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 FIRST CIRCULAR You are invited to participate in the FIRST WORLD CONGRESS ON ALLELOPATHY. A SCIENCE FOR THE FUTURE which will be held in Cadiz, Spain, from Monday 16th to Friday 20th of September 1996. You can read all the information about International Allelopathy Society (IAS), International Advisory Committee, Scientific Programme and Pre-Registration form from: http://www2.uca.es/dept/quimica_organica/allelopathy.htm and a complete guide of Cadiz and his University (UCA) from: http://www.uca.es/ Those interested in receiving the Second Circular are requested to complete the Preliminary Registration Form and return it before JANUARY 31st, 1996. From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Fri Jan 05 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news1.toronto.fonorola.net!news1.toronto.istar.net!news.toronto.istar.net!theglobeandmail.com!news.north.net!usenet From: longwave@mail.north.net (Ed Cheung) Newsgroups: bionet.population-bio Subject: Kondratieff Wave Newsgroup Date: 4 Jan 1996 15:33:26 GMT Organization: UUNorth International Inc. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4cgs06$vqv@news.north.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.52.32.27 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 The Longwave discussion group (population related) is now operating from the Michigan Technological University. To subscribe to the newsgroup, put the following message in the body of your email: subscribe lw-l and send it to MAJORDOMO@MTU.EDU. The web site is at the URL below. /********************************************************************** **/ /* /\/\/\ The Longwave and Social Cycles Resource Centre /\/\/\ */ /* URL: http://web.idirect.com/~longwave/ */ /* /\/\/\/\/\/\ email: longwave@mail.north.net /\/\/\/\/\/\ */ /********************************************************************** **/ From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Fri Jan 05 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!bcm.tmc.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!newsmaster From: Barry Brook Newsgroups: bionet.population-bio Subject: Population Viability Analysis (PVA) data needed Date: 6 Jan 1996 04:46:36 GMT Organization: Australian National University Lines: 43 Message-ID: <4ckurc$gaa@manuel.anu.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.92.16 Dear All, We are currently looking for good life history data on small populations of vertebrate species. The data is intended to be used as input for a number of Population Viability Analysis (PVA) software packages, so the data should preferrably include information on the species mortality, fecundity, lifespan etc. and on the number of individuals in the population. The data need not come from an endangered species. However, the population must be small and isolated, or have gone through a bottleneck. The population may now be extinct, or may have recovered to a stable size, with or without human intervention. A long term monitoring of the population would be very useful. The idea is to use this data to retrospectively test the predictive accuracy of PVA software. To best achieve this, the data should be comprehensive. Examples of the sort of population data we are looking for include that for: - Lord Howe Island Woodhen - Northern Hairy-nosed Wombat - Chatnam Island Robin - Black-footed ferret - European Bison If you know of any other data sets that may be useful, in the literature or elsewhere, we would greatly appreciate your suggestions. Contact either: E-mail: bbrook@mso.anu.edu.au (Barry Brook) or rfrankha@rna.bio.mq.edu.au (Richard Frankham) Post: A/Prof Richard Frankham School of Biological Sciences Macquarie University NSW 2109 Australia Phone: (02) 850-8186 Fax: (02) 850-8245 International: +61 2 850.... Please leave your contact details so we may get back to you. Alternatively, post to this newsgroup. Look forward to hearing from you soon. Regards, Barry Brook. Richard Frankham. From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Sat Jan 06 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.cais.net!news.iac.net!usenet From: Newsgroups: bionet.cellbiol,bionet.immunology,bionet.microbiology,bionet.molbio.ageing,bionet.molbio.embldatabank,bionet.molbio.evolution,bionet.mycology,bionet.neuroscience,bionet.parasitology,bionet.population-bio,bionet.protista,bionet.software Subject: Help please!!!!! Date: 7 Jan 1996 23:00:47 GMT Organization: Internet Access Cincinnati 513-887-8877 Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4cpjav$abe@cheyenne.iac.net> References: <4ca6qk$knt@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip043013.iac.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.12(Macintosh; I; PPC) X-URL: news:schlegel-0201962019100001@schlegel.tiac.net Xref: biosci bionet.cellbiol:3742 bionet.immunology:6850 bionet.microbiology:4437 bionet.molbio.ageing:2370 bionet.molbio.embldatabank:588 bionet.molbio.evolution:4065 bionet.mycology:3325 bionet.neuroscience:11974 bionet.parasitology:1316 bionet.population-bio:1730 bionet.protista:464 bionet.software:14364 My friend needs the scientific classifications of these organisms: ticks bamboo pandorina fusarium pseudomonas He needs the complete classifications, from kingdom to species. It is rather last minute and will be very much appreciated. Sorry for the inconvenience. Please direct information to: birsen.kaya@uc.edu Thank you very much!!!! From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Sun Jan 07 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!gatech!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!csn!csn!nntp-xfer-2.csn.net!yuma!purdue!haven.umd.edu!news.ums.edu!sol.towson.edu!midget.towson.edu!hltha005 From: hltha005@midget.towson.edu () Newsgroups: bionet.population-bio Subject: population N. Africa Date: 8 Jan 1996 00:59:30 GMT Organization: Towson State University, Towson, MD Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4cpq9i$ht5@sol.towson.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: midget.towson.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Please help me!!! I am a graduate student in health adminstration and am doing a project on population control of north Africa. Any information on how and were to look for information will be greatly appreciated. In addition to that project i am require to make contact with some one from another country in order to ask them question about their countrys health care delivery system. If someone from another country reads this please respond. I am writing this from the United States. my e-mail address is hltha005@midget.tsu.edu From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Sun Jan 07 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!cc.usu.edu!nntp Newsgroups: bionet.population-bio Subject: Use of Ecotypes Message-ID: <25604.slztt@cc.usu.edu> From: "Javad Torabinejad" Date: Mon, 8 Jan 96 02:43:38 MDT Nntp-Posting-Host: rm162c-1.bnr.usu.edu X-Minuet-Version: Minuet1.0_Beta_17A X-POPMail-Charset: English Lines: 6 I'd like to know the benefits and the ill effects of using different ecotypes of the same species in management plans. Your reply is very much appreciated. J. Torabinejad From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Sun Jan 07 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!agate!news.ucdavis.edu!library.ucla.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!nac.no!ifi.uio.no!news.sics.se!newsfeed.sunet.se!news01.sunet.se!sunic!news99.sunet.se!news.funet.fi!news.csc.fi!usenet From: "Heikki LehvŠslaiho" Newsgroups: bionet.cellbiol,bionet.immunology,bionet.microbiology,bionet.molbio.ageing,bionet.molbio.embldatabank,bionet.molbio.evolution,bionet.mycology,bionet.neuroscience,bionet.parasitology,bionet.population-bio,bionet.protista,bionet.software Subject: Re: Help please!!!!! (taxonomy) Date: 8 Jan 1996 09:23:00 GMT Organization: CSC - Center for Scientific Computing Lines: 106 Message-ID: <4cqnpk$bv0@ankka.csc.fi> References: <4ca6qk$knt@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> <4cpjav$abe@cheyenne.iac.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: siru.csc.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.12(Macintosh; I; PPC) To: birsen.kaya@uc.edu,Heikki.Lehvaslaiho@csc.fi X-URL: news:4cpjav$abe@cheyenne.iac.net Xref: biosci bionet.cellbiol:3745 bionet.immunology:6855 bionet.microbiology:4443 bionet.molbio.ageing:2371 bionet.molbio.embldatabank:589 bionet.molbio.evolution:4068 bionet.mycology:3326 bionet.neuroscience:11986 bionet.parasitology:1317 bionet.population-bio:1733 bionet.protista:465 bionet.software:14369 >My friend needs the scientific classifications of these organisms: > >ticks >bamboo >pandorina >fusarium >pseudomonas > >He needs the complete classifications, from kingdom to species. It is >rather last minute and will be very much appreciated. Sorry for the >inconvenience. Taxonomy is a rather controversial science. Moreover, not all everything is available in net. There are three good ways of finding taxonomical information. 1. Tree of Life =============== http://phylogeny.arizona.edu/ A very good idea but needs a lot more work to cover more taxons. 2. NCBI Taxonomy Browser ======================== http://www3.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Taxonomy/taxonomyhome.html The fastest way of finding the complete, hierarcial taxonomy. This taxonomy is from molecular biologists point of view. Classical taxonomists no doubt disagree in many cases. SRS (Sequence Retireval System) =============================== http://cypress.csc.fi:8001/srs/srsc SRS is the most powerful tool for browsing sequence databases. There are more than 15 servers world wide. SRS is developed st EMBL (http://www.embl-heidelberg.de:80/srs/srsc). If you check my server (or any other European servers), you will notice that the wording of the taxon hierarchy differs slightly in the European sequence database EMBL from that in US (GenBank). All the best, -Heikki Here are the classifications I found : ticks ===== http://www3.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/htbin-post/Taxonomy/wgetorg?id=6935&lvl=3 Eukaryotae; mitochondrial eukaryotes; Metazoa; Arthropoda; Chelicerata; Arachnida; Acari; Parasitiformes, Argasidae (soft ticks) | xodidae (hard ticks) bamboo, Bambusa sp. =================== http://www3.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/htbin-post/Taxonomy/wgetorg?id=4581&lvl=0 Eukaryotae; mitochondrial eukaryotes; Viridiplantae; Charophyta/Embryophyta group; Embryophyta; Magnoliophyta; Liliopsida; Poales; Poaceae pandorina ========= http://www3.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/htbin-post/Taxonomy/wgetorg?id=33098&lvl=0 Eukaryotae; mitochondrial eukaryotes; Viridiplantae; Chlorophyta; Chlorophyceae; Volvocales; Volvocaceae Fusarium sp. ============ http://www3.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/htbin-post/Taxonomy/wgetorg?id=5506&lvl=0 Eukaryotae; mitochondrial eukaryotes; Eumycota; Ascomycota; Euascomycetes; Pyrenomycetes; Hypocreales; Hypocreaceae; mitosporic Hypocreaceae OC Eukaryota; Plantae; Thallobionta; Eumycota; Ascomycotina; OC Pyrenomycetes; Hypocreales; Hypocreaceae. Pseudomonas sp. =============== http://www3.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/htbin-post/Taxonomy/wgetorg?id=286&lvl=0 Eubacteria; Proteobacteria; gamma subdivision OC Prokaryota; Bacteria; Gracilicutes; Scotobacteria; OC Aerobic rods and cocci; Pseudomonadaceae. ______ _/ _/____________________________________________________ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Heikki Lehväslaiho _/_/_/_/_/ CSC Scientific Computing _/ _/ _/ Tietotie 6, P.O. Box 405, FIN-02101 Espoo FINLAND _/ _/ _/ Phone: +358 0 457 2076 FAX: +358 0 457 2302 _/ The Finnish EMBnet node __ _/_/_/_/_/________________________________________________________ From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Tue Jan 09 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!newsfeed.acns.nwu.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!peckinpah.nulmedia.nwu.edu!user From: balloon@yosemite.acns.nwu.edu (Shelly Gunther) Newsgroups: alt.misc,alt.org.earth-first,alt.org.food-not-bombs,alt.org.sierra-club,bionet.population-bio Subject: is there a problem w/ population? Date: Tue, 09 Jan 1996 20:21:54 -0600 Organization: ETHS Lines: 13 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: peckinpah.nulmedia.nwu.edu I don't understand why people are so concerned with the size of the population. Don't we have the technology to make more food? Or at least use it better? These people w/ their "overpopulation" thing seem a little paranoid to me. -s -- ------- (Shelly Gunther ) (balloon@yosemite.acns.nwu.edu ) ("Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage" ) ------- From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Tue Jan 09 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!newsfeed.acns.nwu.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!ccs079031.res-hall.nwu.edu!user From: scott@howard.psych.nwu.edu (Scott Edward Keef) Newsgroups: alt.misc,alt.org.earth-first,alt.org.food-not-bombs,alt.org.sierra-club,bionet.population-bio Subject: Re: is there a problem w/ population? Date: Tue, 09 Jan 1996 23:27:58 -0600 Organization: Northwestern University Dept. of Psychology Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ccs079031.res-hall.nwu.edu In article , balloon@yosemite.acns.nwu.edu (Shelly Gunther) wrote: > I don't understand why people are so concerned with the size of the > population. Don't we have the technology to make more food? Or at least > use it better? These people w/ their "overpopulation" thing seem a little > paranoid to me. > Okay...first of all...anyone who tells you that there ISN'T a problem with overpopulation should start paying attention to the world we ALL live in. There IS a problem with overpopulation and the sooner people wake up and realize it, the better. More importantly, the idea that the problem is just about food is the wrong outlook. Think of the analogy of humans as organisms in a petrie disk with enough food for all of us. If the bacteria keep multiplying they will use up all of their food. The disk (the Earth) will become a barren waste. Then the bacteria (us) will die...no matter how far technology stretches the food supply. Personally, I'd love to believe that science will solve humanity's problems. I just don't see how it's possible, though. All you're looking at is the short term and avoiding the inevitable. Scott Edward Keef scott@howard.psych.nwu.edu Northwestern University College of Arts and Sciences Social Psychology From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Tue Jan 09 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!newsfeed.acns.nwu.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!ccs079031.res-hall.nwu.edu!user From: scott@howard.psych.nwu.edu (Scott Edward Keef) Newsgroups: alt.misc,alt.org.earth-first,alt.org.food-not-bombs,alt.org.sierra-club,bionet.population-bio Subject: Re: is there a problem w/ population? Date: Tue, 09 Jan 1996 23:27:48 -0600 Organization: Northwestern University Dept. of Psychology Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ccs079031.res-hall.nwu.edu In article , balloon@yosemite.acns.nwu.edu (Shelly Gunther) wrote: > I don't understand why people are so concerned with the size of the > population. Don't we have the technology to make more food? Or at least > use it better? These people w/ their "overpopulation" thing seem a little > paranoid to me. > > -s > Okay...first of all...anyone who tells you that there ISN'T a problem with overpopulation should start paying attention to the world we ALL live in. There IS a problem with overpopulation and the sooner people wake up and realize it, the better. More importantly, the idea that the problem is just about food is the wrong outlook. Think of the analogy of humans as organisms in a petrie disk with enough food for all of us. If the bacteria keep multiplying they will use up all of their food. The disk (the Earth) will become a barren waste. Then the bacteria (us) will die...no matter how far technology stretches the food supply. Personally, I'd love to believe that science will solve humanity's problems. I just don't see how it's possible, though. All you're looking at is the short term and avoiding the inevitable. Scott Edward Keef scott@howard.psych.nwu.edu Northwestern University College of Arts and Sciences Social Psychology From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Tue Jan 09 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!newshub.cts.com!usenet From: James Michael Newsgroups: alt.misc,alt.org.earth-first,alt.org.food-not-bombs,alt.org.sierra-club,bionet.population-bio Subject: Re: is there a problem w/ population? Date: 10 Jan 1996 05:05:21 GMT Organization: CTS Network Services Lines: 30 Message-ID: <4cvheh$laq@news2.cts.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: jmichael.cts.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) To: jmichael balloon@yosemite.acns.nwu.edu (Shelly Gunther) wrote: >I don't understand why people are so concerned with the size of the >population. Don't we have the technology to make more food? Or at least >use it better? These people w/ their "overpopulation" thing seem a little >paranoid to me. > >-s > >-- >------- >(Shelly Gunther ) >(balloon@yosemite.acns.nwu.edu ) >("Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage" ) >------- Well, Shelly, consider this: we can't grow forever. I, and many others, think that the sooner the population stops growing, the better off we all will be in the long run. I don't think it has really been shown that we could support the current world population (6 billion?) at a U.S. standard of living sustainably (that means forever, without polluting air, water and sources of food). Once you accept the fact (yes, it is) that we can't grow indefinitely, then you should realize that smaller numbers of people (remember, we're talking billions here) make easier to solve problems than larger numbers of people. Jim Michael From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Tue Jan 09 22:00:00 1996 Newsgroups: alt.misc,alt.org.earth-first,alt.org.food-not-bombs,alt.org.sierra-club,bionet.population-bio Path: biosci!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!anasaz!dean From: dean@anasazi.com (Dean Barto) Subject: Re: is there a problem w/ population? Message-ID: Sender: usenet@anasazi.com (News System) Organization: Anasazi, Inc. Phoenix, Arizona USA References: Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:57:58 GMT Lines: 52 In article balloon@yosemite.acns.nwu.edu (Shelly Gunther) writes: >I don't understand why people are so concerned with the size of the >population. Don't we have the technology to make more food? Or at least >use it better? These people w/ their "overpopulation" thing seem a little >paranoid to me. > First of all there is just so much arable land on the planet, and it's all being cultivated now. Don't beleive me? Most of the SouthWestern U.S. is desert, and while a lot of it is being cultivated, water for growing the crops is a really BIG issue. All of the states along the Colorado River fight over the rights to the water in the river. As it is now a fresh drop of water entering the headwaters of the Colorado River never makes it to the Gulf of California, and what water does eventually flow from the mouth of the once mighty Colorado is polluted with salts and minerals from the runoff from the agricultural areas. Then consider the other vast desert areas of the world which are unusable for fairly obvious reasons. Some of those deserts are growing as the human population around those areas puts even more pressure on surrounding forests or jungles for wood for fuel and housing, and clearing land for raising crops or farm animals. Then how about the jungles of Central and South America? Well, as the natives of those areas lay waste to the jungles by cutting down and burning all of the jungle vegetation, the very thin topsoil gets easily washed away leaving very poop cropland with the crop-raising capacity of a bunch of clay (not very good). Second, you can see the effects of overpopulation even in U.S. cities as people commit more violent crimes, such as shooting other drivers, drive-by shootings, etc. Go visit any city in India, or go to Mexico City, or China, to get a real feel for overpopulation. And, it's only going to get worse because mankind is arrogant and feels that it's not a problem. A lot of the religions are at the root of the problem in that regard: "Go forth and be fruitful." Yeah, right...right into oblivion. Disease and famine are nature's way of controlling populations, un- fortunately man has seen fit to throw a monkey wrench into the gearworks. I feel that AIDS is nature's latest attempt to trim the human population, and it's working since the more recent estimates are that every 1 in 200 persons in the U.S. is now HIV positive. Maybe the great increase in mutations of some of the old diseases that used to be treatable with antibiotics will also serve to trim the population down to what the planet can support. (Wars also work to do the trimming, but are much more destructive to the planet.) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dean Barto, GFA | Systems Sanitation Engineer Anasazi, Inc. | 7500 N. Dreamy Draw Dr. | (602) 861-7611 Suite 120 | (602) 861-7687 FAX Phoenix, AZ 85020 | dean@anasazi.com From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Tue Jan 09 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!bcm.tmc.edu!pendragon!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!newsfeed.acns.nwu.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!ccs079031.res-hall.nwu.edu!user From: scott@howard.psych.nwu.edu (Scott Edward Keef) Newsgroups: alt.misc,alt.org.earth-first,alt.org.food-not-bombs,alt.org.sierra-club,bionet.population-bio Subject: Re: is there a problem w/ population? Date: Tue, 09 Jan 1996 23:28:47 -0600 Organization: Northwestern University Dept. of Psychology Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ccs079031.res-hall.nwu.edu In article , balloon@yosemite.acns.nwu.edu (Shelly Gunther) wrote: > I don't understand why people are so concerned with the size of the > population. Don't we have the technology to make more food? Or at least > use it better? These people w/ their "overpopulation" thing seem a little > paranoid to me. > Okay...first of all...anyone who tells you that there ISN'T a problem with overpopulation should start paying attention to the world we ALL live in. There IS a problem with overpopulation and the sooner people wake up and realize it, the better. More importantly, the idea that the problem is just about food is the wrong outlook. Think of the analogy of humans as organisms in a petrie disk with enough food for all of us. If the bacteria keep multiplying they will use up all of their food. The disk (the Earth) will become a barren waste. Then the bacteria (us) will die...no matter how far technology stretches the food supply. Personally, I'd love to believe that science will solve humanity's problems. I just don't see how it's possible, though. All you're looking at is the short term and avoiding the inevitable. Scott Edward Keef scott@howard.psych.nwu.edu Northwestern University College of Arts and Sciences Social Psychology From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Tue Jan 09 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!nnrp.info.ucla.edu!usenet From: komaromi@ucla.edu (Dan Komaromi) Newsgroups: bionet.cellbiol,bionet.immunology,bionet.microbiology,bionet.molbio.ageing,bionet.molbio.embldatabank,bionet.molbio.evolution,bionet.mycology,bionet.neuroscience,bionet.parasitology,bionet.population-bio,bionet.protista,bionet.software Subject: Re: Points of interest Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 22:26:53 GMT Organization: University of California, Los Angeles Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4d1eff$13au@saba.info.ucla.edu> References: <4ca6qk$knt@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts32-12.wla.ts.ucla.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: biosci bionet.cellbiol:3770 bionet.immunology:6918 bionet.microbiology:4472 bionet.molbio.ageing:2381 bionet.molbio.embldatabank:591 bionet.molbio.evolution:4075 bionet.mycology:3345 bionet.neuroscience:12029 bionet.parasitology:1328 bionet.population-bio:1742 bionet.protista:468 bionet.software:14404 Try the UCLA Neuroscience Undergraduate Society homepage (address listed below). Dan ___________________________ Email: komaromi@ucla.edu Phone: (310) 312-0570 10969 Rochester Avenue #202 Westwood, CA 90024 ___________________________ President, UCLA Neuroscience Undergraduate Society http://www.mednet.ucla.edu/dept/bri/NUS/welcome.htm Newsgroup: ucla.org.neurosci.undergrad.society From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Tue Jan 09 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!THEORY.BCHS.UH.EDU!dbd From: dbd@THEORY.BCHS.UH.EDU (Dan Davison) Newsgroups: bionet.population-bio Subject: Faculty Position - Molecular Evolutionary Biology Date: 10 Jan 1996 12:58:26 -0800 Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Molecular Biology Lines: 22 Sender: daemon@net.bio.net Distribution: world Message-ID: <199601102056.OAA24867@theory.BCHS.UH.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: net.bio.net The Department of Biology at the University of Houston invites applications for a tenure-track faculty position at the Assistant or Associate Professor level in the area of evolutionary mechanisms at the molecular level. The position requires a Ph.D. degree and post- doctoral experience. The faculty member will be expected to develop a nationally competitive research program and participate in graduate and undergraduate teaching. The successful applicant will join a diverse group whose interests range from behavioral ecology to molecular phylogenetics and a Department with spacious labs, and strong research programs which encourages active research collaborations among its faculty. Further information about the Department may be obtained at http://www.bchs.uh.edu. Review of applications will begin January 15, 1996. Please submit curriculum vitae, a statement of research plans, and have three letters of reference sent to Dr. Joseph Eichberg, Chair, Search Committee, Department of Biology, University of Houston, Houston, TX 77204-5513. UH is an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action Employer. Minorities, women, veterans, and persons with disabilities are encouraged to apply. From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Tue Jan 09 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!galaxy.ucr.edu!usenet From: "Nicole M. van Dam" Newsgroups: alt.misc,alt.org.earth-first,alt.org.food-not-bombs,alt.org.sierra-club,bionet.population-bio Subject: Re: is there a problem w/ population? Date: 10 Jan 1996 17:50:35 GMT Organization: University of California, Riverside Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4d0u9b$7kc@galaxy.ucr.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: chapman9.ucr.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) To: dean@anasazi.com dean@anasazi.com (Dean Barto) wrote: >Second, you can see the effects of overpopulation even in U.S. cities >as people commit more violent crimes, such as shooting other drivers, >drive-by shootings, etc. Go visit any city in India, or go to Mexico >City, or China, to get a real feel for overpopulation. Coming from The Netherlands, the second densely populated country in the world (Bangladesh is no.1), I would say it is not the overpopulation per se that causes crimes and other problems in U.S. cities. Crime rates in The Netherlands are much and much lower than they are in the U.S. I think this is merely a result of the people's mentality than anything else. Moreover, in the latest issue of Time Magazine I read that crime rates in big US cities, such as New York, are declining, because of a different police policy. Let's not confuse sociology with biology. Nicole From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Wed Jan 10 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!library.ucla.edu!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!clpgh.org!panzar From: panzar@clpgh.org (Robin Panza) Newsgroups: bionet.population-bio Subject: Re: is there a problem w/ population? Message-ID: <1996Jan11.102636.4543@clp2> Date: 11 Jan 96 10:26:36 -5 References: <4cvheh$laq@news2.cts.com> Organization: Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh Lines: 33 In article <4cvheh$laq@news2.cts.com>, James Michael writes: > balloon@yosemite.acns.nwu.edu (Shelly Gunther) wrote: >>I don't understand why people are so concerned with the size of the >>population. Don't we have the technology to make more food? Or at least >>use it better? These people w/ their "overpopulation" thing seem a little >>paranoid to me. >>------- >>(Shelly Gunther ) >>(balloon@yosemite.acns.nwu.edu ) >>("Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage" ) >>------- > > Well, Shelly, consider this: we can't grow forever. I, and many others, > think that the sooner the population stops growing, the better off we all > will be in the long run. I don't think it has really been shown that we > could support the current world population (6 billion?) at a U.S. > standard of living sustainably (that means forever, without polluting > air, water and sources of food). > > Jim Michael One thing Jim alludes to but doesn't really point out is that food supply is not the only issue. Ignoring what's happening in other countries, we in the US have some serious problems, most (probably all, imho) attributable directly or indirectly to overpopulation--either from crowding or simply too many people trying to do or get the same thing. If our population were 1/4 what it is now, there would be no significant pollution, a great deal less crime and mental illness, a great deal less "poverty". There would be less reason to scrabble for resources (money), as it would be easier to be self-sustaining at the individual level. Robin Panza panzar@clp2.clpgh.org From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Fri Jan 12 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: mthogerson@aol.com (MTHOGERSON) Newsgroups: bionet.population-bio Subject: Re: Use of Ecotypes Date: 12 Jan 1996 18:11:39 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 32 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4d6prb$r22@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <25604.slztt@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader If by ecotypes you mean races or subspecies found in only a part of the range of a species, I may be able to help a bit. Lake whitefish (Coregonus spp.) from the Great Lakes have such a distribution. There are separate races for each lake; in a couple cases, there is one race in the eastern end of a lake, and another in the west end. The whitefish race endemic to Lake Erie has been nearly extirpated, so US and Canadian fisheries people tried to introduce a race from a place where the species is still fairly common: the west end of Lake Superior. There were a variety of problems they didn't think about: (1) L. Erie fish are used to warmer, more nutrient-rich water; (2) L. Erie fish spawn in weed beds in the shallows, while L. Superior fish spawn in rocky reefs (which don't exist in L. Erie); (3) Because of the different water characteristics of the two lakes, different food items are available; and (4) Natural interbreeds of these fish are really confused about what to do and what to eat! Dilution of the gene pool of a natural stock by one brought from outside should be closely examined before the transplant takes place. Of course, if the natural stock has been extirpated, you might as well try re-introducing the species. Some of the individuals might actually survive, and pass their genetics and behaviors on, creating a new race on its way to being adapted for that particular habitat. Hope this helps, Mark Thogerson Biology Dept. Grand Valley State University Allendale, MI 49401 email: mthogerson@aol.com or thogersm@gvsu.edu home page: http://users.aol.com/mthogerson From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Fri Jan 12 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.pe.net!news.corpcomm.net!newspeak.ultratech.net!worldlinx.com!news.worldlinx.com!localhost From: bwinterb@intranet.on.ca (Bruce Winterbon) Newsgroups: bionet.population-bio Subject: Re: is there a problem w/ population? Date: Fri, 12 Jan 96 21:50:08 GMT Organization: Dis Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4d6lfu$gg4@news.worldlinx.com> References: <4cvheh$laq@news2.cts.com> <1996Jan11.102636.4543@clp2> NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.intranet.on.ca X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 >> balloon@yosemite.acns.nwu.edu (Shelly Gunther) wrote: >>>I don't understand why people are so concerned with the size of the >>>population. Don't we have the technology to make more food? Or at least >>>use it better? These people w/ their "overpopulation" thing seem a little >>>paranoid to me. There are two parts to this problem. First, exponential growth can not continue forever. I think John Fremlin, about 20 years ago, in a New Scientist article, argued that if we assume a constant mass per person, say 40 kg, and hence a constant volume of about 40 l, and packed people in on the surface of the earth, closely packed, one layer upon another, eventually the radius of the outer layer would be growing faster than the speed of light, which we know is impossible. Having thus proven that our population must approach zero growth rate, we then have the question of when it should stop: what is the ideal population? IMHO it's somewhere about a tenth of our present population: life would be a damned sight better for everyone present if there were only 10% as many of us present. Hence the time to start reducing the growth rate is now. Please note that I am NOT advocating taking steps to reduce the population in any way, other than by reducing birth rate, and would strongly object to any proposal to do so. Bruce Winterbon bwinterb@intranet.on.ca http://intranet.on.ca/~bwinterb From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Sat Jan 13 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.mcn.net!Pjesscanada From: jesscanada@mcn.net (Jess Canada) Newsgroups: bionet.population-bio Subject: Pygmy Indians Date: Sun, 14 Jan 96 08:52:33 GMT Organization: JC! Software Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4da5mq$m8m@news.mcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: gfpm01-056.mcn.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 Researcher seeks information and artifacts on Pygmy Indians ranged from Canada to Mexic. Anyone having knowledge of such contact jesscanada@mcn.net To help me sort through all my mail, please type PYGMY in the subject box. Thank You! From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Sun Jan 14 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.campus.mci.net!usenet From: Matt Gregory Newsgroups: alt.misc,alt.org.earth-first,alt.org.food-not-bombs,alt.org.sierra-club,bionet.population-bio Subject: Re: is there a problem w/ population? Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 10:25:54 +0000 Organization: University of Kentucky Lines: 29 Message-ID: <30FA2BB2.3AF0@uky.campus.mci.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: s20-pm05.uky.campus.mci.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b3 (Win95; I) To: Shelly Gunther Shelly Gunther wrote: > > I don't understand why people are so concerned with the size of the > population. Don't we have the technology to make more food? Or at least > use it better? These people w/ their "overpopulation" thing seem a little > paranoid to me. > > -s > > -- > ------- > (Shelly Gunther ) > (balloon@yosemite.acns.nwu.edu ) > ("Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage" ) > -------I disagree with you feelings that we are being a little paranoid about the population explosion we are now seeing. The carrying capacity of our earth is a very touchy thing. To see how fragile it is all you need to do is look at it on a region by region basis. If you view some of the disadvantaged nations of the world it can be clearly seen what happens we the carrying capacity is surpassed. You have rampant disease and horriable cases of malnutrition. Need we be reminded of Ethiopian famine of the mid 80's, our more recently the run in with ebola in Zaire. While the populations on these nations is not as big as other nations maybe they have already exceeded there carrying capacity I support the notion that Thomas Malthus had in the early nineteenth century. Malthus basically felt there would be a time when we will have a larger population than our food supply can handle. The results I fear will be catastrophic. From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Mon Jan 15 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!csn!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!haven.umd.edu!news.ums.edu!sol.towson.edu!midget.towson.edu!hltha005 From: hltha005@midget.towson.edu () Newsgroups: bionet.population-bio Subject: family planning Date: 16 Jan 1996 04:40:00 GMT Organization: Towson State University, Towson, MD Lines: 1 Message-ID: <4dfa70$a0d@sol.towson.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: midget.towson.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Tue Jan 16 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: ZUCP44A@prodigy.com (Theodore Oberman) Newsgroups: bionet.population-bio Subject: Re: is there a problem w/ population? Date: 17 Jan 1996 01:30:29 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 10 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4dhjfl$2p1c@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> References: <30fa2bb2.3af0@uky.campus.mci.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: inugap3.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 What's the evidence that an increase in population to say 20 billion would dramatically increase misery upon the earth? If you agree with Malthus so much, how do you respond to the fact that he was so clearly wrong if one looks only at his time and the predictions he made about his near future. Malthus clearly believed that there was soon to be scarcity, and that was with only 100 million or so; how many people have to be upon this earth before you throw in the malthuian towel? Theodore Oberman From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Tue Jan 16 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!newshost.dpie.gov.au!newsmaster From: Stephen Kerr Newsgroups: bionet.population-bio Subject: Re: is there a problem w/ population? Date: 17 Jan 1996 06:40:08 GMT Organization: Department of Primary Industry and Energy Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4di5k8$gjk@candelo.dpie.gov.au> References: <30fa2bb2.3af0@uky.campus.mci.net> <4dhjfl$2p1c@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.104.45.203 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1 (Windows; I; 16bit) Dear Theo, Ever heard of soil depletion, degradation, famine? Well at the rate we are currently mining the soil, we will soon (speaking in decades) deplete the soil to and unsustainable level, AT CURRENT USAGE. More so if more demands are made on it. IMHO the world is probably over its carrying capacity as it is let alone with more mouths to feed. We need to seriously look at current agricultural practices and ensure that they are SUSTAINABLE and at what level of production before promoting an increase in world population. Steve From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Tue Jan 16 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!CS.CUHK.HK!iconip96 From: iconip96@CS.CUHK.HK (iconip96) Newsgroups: bionet.population-bio Subject: *** ICONIP'96 FINAL CALL FOR PAPERS *** Date: 17 Jan 1996 07:29:39 -0800 Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Molecular Biology Lines: 292 Sender: daemon@net.bio.net Distribution: world Message-ID: <199601171332.VAA00980@cs.cuhk.hk> NNTP-Posting-Host: net.bio.net Please do not re-distribute this CFP to other lists. 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Richard Zemel, CMU Jacek Zurada, U. Louisville From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Thu Jan 18 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!bcm.tmc.edu!newsfeed.rice.edu!news.sesqui.net!gryphon.phoenix.net!usenet From: tfelton@phoenix.phoenix.net Newsgroups: alt.misc,alt.org.earth-first,alt.org.food-not-bombs,alt.org.sierra-club,bionet.population-bio Subject: Re: is there a problem w/ population? Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 02:52:27 GMT Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4dmm4e$o2f@gryphon.phoenix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: dial78.phoenix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 balloon@yosemite.acns.nwu.edu (Shelly Gunther) wrote: >I don't understand why people are so concerned with the size of the >population. Don't we have the technology to make more food? Or at least >use it better? These people w/ their "overpopulation" thing seem a little >paranoid to me. >-s >-- >------- >(Shelly Gunther ) >(balloon@yosemite.acns.nwu.edu ) >("Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage" ) >------- Shell. It's not paranoia, it is the struggle for power and control. With the few paranoids following unaware. From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Thu Jan 18 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!psgrain!fizban.solace.mh.se!demos!news.spb.su!news1.relcom.eu.net!push.stack.serpukhov.su!usenet From: ECO@adm.pgu.serpukhov.su (ECO) Newsgroups: bionet.population-bio Subject: Re: Pygmy Indians Date: 19 Jan 1996 12:50:22 GMT Organization: ECO Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4do42e$fnl@push.stack.serpukhov.su> References: <4da5mq$m8m@news.mcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: nebel.padm.serpukhov.su X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.1 In article <4da5mq$m8m@news.mcn.net>, jesscanada@mcn.net (Jess Canada) says: > >Researcher seeks information and artifacts on Pygmy Indians ranged from >Canada to Mexic. Anyone having knowledge of such contact > >jesscanada@mcn.net > >To help me sort through all my mail, please type PYGMY in the subject >box. >Thank You! From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Thu Jan 18 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!news.cerf.net!newsserver.sdsc.edu!newshub.csu.net!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!waldorf.csc.calpoly.edu!isnews.csc.calpoly.edu!tuba.aix.calpoly.edu!not-for-mail From: dchippin@tuba.aix.calpoly.edu (David Chipping) Newsgroups: alt.misc,alt.org.earth-first,alt.org.food-not-bombs,alt.org.sierra-club,bionet.population-bio Subject: Re: is there a problem w/ population? Date: 18 Jan 1996 21:45:42 -0800 Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4dnb66$22q0@tuba.aix.calpoly.edu> References: <4dmm4e$o2f@gryphon.phoenix.net> NNTP-Posting-User: dchippin@tuba.aix.calpoly.edu Hey Shell and Thio: Did you know that it currently takes 10 calories of energy to produce a calorie of food in the US agribusiness-marketing complex.... that some crops require up to seven passes of the field with a tractor. We have advanced beyond the Malthus predictions because of fossil fuels, but they are NOT limitless. To substitute a high-tech substitute, like the nuclear tractor, even if possible, would require too much capital. Many areas such as Cairo, Mexico City, Yellow River Valley, simply cannot handle any more people. Check out also the increasing debt in the Third World, which has increased by a factor of 6 since the 1970's in constant dollars (World Bank) and the gradual reduction in carry-over grain stocks. From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Thu Jan 18 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!rutgers!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!xmission!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!waldorf.csc.calpoly.edu!isnews.csc.calpoly.edu!violin.aix.calpoly.edu!mthanson From: "Michael T. Hanson" Newsgroups: alt.misc,alt.org.earth-first,alt.org.food-not-bombs,alt.org.sierra-club,bionet.population-bio Subject: Re: is there a problem w/ population? Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 11:27:21 -0800 Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: <30FA2BB2.3AF0@uky.campus.mci.net> NNTP-Posting-User: mthanson@violin.aix.calpoly.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <30FA2BB2.3AF0@uky.campus.mci.net> The famine in Ethiopia was a political decision by those in power to subjugate the population. It had nothing to do with population size. Food supplies were available, but the government chose not to allow distribution or to allow planting of crops. From: Michael T.Hanson, Ph.D. Biological Sciences Department California Polytechnic State University San Luis Obispo, CA 93407 mthanson@oboe.calpoly.edu (805)756-2444 fax (805)756-1419 On Mon, 15 Jan 1996, Matt Gregory wrote: > Shelly Gunther wrote: > > > > I don't understand why people are so concerned with the size of the > > population. Don't we have the technology to make more food? Or at least > > use it better? These people w/ their "overpopulation" thing seem a little > > paranoid to me. > > > > -s > > > > -- > > ------- > > (Shelly Gunther ) > > (balloon@yosemite.acns.nwu.edu ) > > ("Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage" ) > > -------I disagree with you feelings that we are being a little paranoid about > the population explosion we are now seeing. The carrying capacity of our > earth is a very touchy thing. To see how fragile it is all you need to > do is look at it on a region by region basis. If you view some of the > disadvantaged nations of the world it can be clearly seen what happens > we the carrying capacity is surpassed. You have rampant disease and > horriable cases of malnutrition. Need we be reminded of Ethiopian famine > of the mid 80's, our more recently the run in with ebola in Zaire. While > the populations on these nations is not as big as other nations maybe > they have already exceeded there carrying capacity > > I support the notion that Thomas Malthus had in the early nineteenth > century. Malthus basically felt there would be a time when we will have > a larger population than our food supply can handle. The results I fear > will be catastrophic. > > From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Thu Jan 18 22:00:00 1996 Newsgroups: bionet.population-bio Path: biosci!rutgers!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!odin25 From: odin25@netcom.com ([ffr.de]) Subject: population control Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 19:10:42 GMT Lines: 68 Sender: odin25@netcom21.netcom.com Some societies have managed to reduce their birth rates to at or below replacement rates. These are the developed countries (US, Canada, Europe, Japan). The only reason these populations increase is due to immigration from countries where population continues to surge without regard to sustainability (undeveloped Asia, Africa, Latin American, India, Mid-East). Allowing the developed countries to serve as a release valve for the pressure built-up in over-breeding countries not only allows the breeding countries to continue in their destructive paths but also permits the export of destructive breeding habits to societies which have brought the birth rates of their native populations down to replacement/sub-replacement levels. Though probably not politically feasible it would seem that a refusal to allow immigration out of burgeoning countries would force the leaders of those countries to face up to the problems their policies (or lack there of) are causing. Rather than rewarding policies which export human surplus the leaders in breeding countries would see the real impact their people are having on the world through having to face the "full" impact at home. Currently the export of people is a no lose policy for countries like Mexico. By encouraging immigration to the US they get rid of many of the poor in their society and at the same time get the money sent back to Mexico by those who do leave. Less costs and more cash...it is no wonder the Mexican government (and leaders of other similar bottom-heavy demographic populations) give only lip-service to the concerns of countries like the US while in practice encouraging the migratory trends. Just like any human or animal empire which benefits at home by extending its loyalists to far lands the breeding countries are deriving only benefits from the current state of immigration affairs. It would be quite a gift to the earth if we could stop this flow and force populations to live sustainibly within their boarders. Ultimately we all have the boarder of Earth to deal with (barring extraterrestrial technology developments). By forcing local sustainability global sustainability is ensured. Ok, before people get all emotional and say nasty things regarding the motivations for this , Blah.... Please think of this as a biological/sociological problem and try to limit your responses to the real issues. So many people try to stifle debate by getting offended that this or that race or class is being held up as a bad example. The fact is population growth is currently vastly disproportionate depending on the population being discussed. Deal with it and don't deflect debate with your own biggotries or self-rightiousness. If it will help think of this as an abstract problem of species members in interlinked environments rather than people in various countries. Also, it is obvious that enriching all and educating will bring about a reduction in birth rates. That is a goal but is not an answer to the problem. It is more likely that such enrichment on a planet-wide scale can occur if people are forced to deal with the population and destruction they cause. The two can go hand in hand. Please, no tiraids about "the average US citizen uses x% of world resources...". This may be true but it is also true that with our technological advance we now increase per capita GNP using ever less of the world's resources. It is also true that the rest of the world's population is going to continue to try and live like we do and thus can be expected to use an ever larger amount of resources as they "develop". Since these nations are adding people at such a high rate it is meaningless to dwell on US usage of resources... The fact is that even if the US and the rest of the developed world were to be wiped out their numbers would be made up for in just a few years by the breeding in the underdeveloped world. Then what is the solution? Face it, recycling a pop bottle is only beneficial if everyone is doing it. By allowing much of they world to continue dumping human exttras they will not face up to their impact until much more damage is done. Cutting back on US per-capita polution by 40% is insignificant in the face of a world population which increases by more than 70% of the US population per year. Anything we do to conserve is lost to those who are making no effective effort to do so. Please offer solutions. From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Thu Jan 18 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!rutgers!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!psgrain!fizban.solace.mh.se!demos!news.spb.su!news1.relcom.eu.net!push.stack.serpukhov.su!usenet From: ECO@adm.pgu.serpukhov.su (ECO) Newsgroups: bionet.population-bio Subject: study mussel (Unio, Anodonta) population density Date: 19 Jan 1996 13:11:00 GMT Organization: ECO Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4do594$fnl@push.stack.serpukhov.su> NNTP-Posting-Host: nebel.padm.serpukhov.su X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.1 We study in 1993-1995 mussel population density Anodonta cygneae and Unio pictorum in Oka river in Moscow region in Russia in ecologycal point of view.We try have complex study- heavy metal concentration and so on.in sediments and water.We want have contact with reseachers in the world working in closed fields. The problem Laboratory for water ecosystem monitoring Pushchino State University. Peter Mashkin. From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Thu Jan 18 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!rutgers!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.campus.mci.net!usenet From: Matt Gregory Newsgroups: alt.misc,alt.org.earth-first,alt.org.food-not-bombs,alt.org.sierra-club,bionet.population-bio Subject: Re: is there a problem w/ population? Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 18:14:05 +0000 Organization: University of Kentucky Lines: 68 Message-ID: <30FFDF6D.6C05@uky.campus.mci.net> References: <30FA2BB2.3AF0@uky.campus.mci.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: s08-pm06.uky.campus.mci.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b3 (Win95; I) Michael T. Hanson wrote: > > The famine in Ethiopia was a political decision by those in power to > subjugate the population. It had nothing to do with population size. > Food supplies were available, but the government chose not to allow > distribution or to allow planting of crops. > > From: Michael T.Hanson, Ph.D. > Biological Sciences Department > California Polytechnic State University > San Luis Obispo, CA 93407 > mthanson@oboe.calpoly.edu > (805)756-2444 > fax (805)756-1419 > > On Mon, 15 Jan 1996, Matt Gregory wrote: > > > Shelly Gunther wrote: > > > > > > I don't understand why people are so concerned with the size of the > > > population. Don't we have the technology to make more food? Or at least > > > use it better? These people w/ their "overpopulation" thing seem a little > > > paranoid to me. > > > > > > -s > > > > > > -- > > > ------- > > > (Shelly Gunther ) > > > (balloon@yosemite.acns.nwu.edu ) > > > ("Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage" ) > > > -------I disagree with you feelings that we are being a little paranoid about > > the population explosion we are now seeing. The carrying capacity of our > > earth is a very touchy thing. To see how fragile it is all you need to > > do is look at it on a region by region basis. If you view some of the > > disadvantaged nations of the world it can be clearly seen what happens > > we the carrying capacity is surpassed. You have rampant disease and > > horriable cases of malnutrition. Need we be reminded of Ethiopian famine > > of the mid 80's, our more recently the run in with ebola in Zaire. While > > the populations on these nations is not as big as other nations maybe > > they have already exceeded there carrying capacity > > > > I support the notion that Thomas Malthus had in the early nineteenth > > century. Malthus basically felt there would be a time when we will have > > a larger population than our food supply can handle. The results I fear > > will be catastrophic. > > > >After posting this message, I was stimulated to read further in the area of population growth. My earlier knowledge, on the subject of population growth, was based mostly on the pessimist model of growth. This model is the easiest for us to digest because we are bombarded by it in the media every day. Once I sat down and read the works of Herman Kahn and Julian Simon, the optmist model of population growth began to make much more sense. I to believe that we humans are a crafty race, and when faced with a severe resource problem we will rise to the occasion. We have done it in the past and we shall do it again in the future. The pessimist model, after study, seems to have a big problem. The founders of this dismal view were alive before the advent of modern agriculture. This caused them to view the world as a place that would always be stuck in the mode of subsistance farming. But as we can see today this is clearly not the case. I feel now that there is plenty of food out there we just have a problem with distribution because of unstable governments that can be found around the world. From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Fri Jan 19 22:00:00 1996 Newsgroups: alt.misc,alt.org.earth-first,alt.org.food-not-bombs,alt.org.sierra-club,bionet.population-bio Path: biosci!rutgers!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!EU.net!peer-news.britain.eu.net!bcc.ac.uk!news From: "G.LEONARDI" Subject: Re: is there a problem w/ population? Sender: news@ucl.ac.uk (Usenet News System) Message-ID: <1996Jan20.214731.73031@ucl.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 21:47:31 GMT To: dchippin@tuba.aix.calpoly.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <4dmm4e$o2f@gryphon.phoenix.net> <4dnb66$22q0@tuba.aix.calpoly.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) Organization: lshtm Lines: 17 dchippin@tuba.aix.calpoly.edu (David Chipping) wrote: >Hey Shell and Thio: >Did you know that it currently takes 10 calories of energy to produce a >calorie of food in the US agribusiness-marketing complex.... that some >crops require up to seven passes of the field with a tractor. We have >advanced beyond the Malthus predictions because of fossil fuels, but >they are NOT limitless. To substitute a high-tech substitute, like the >nuclear tractor, even if possible, would require too much capital. Many >areas such as Cairo, Mexico City, Yellow River Valley, simply cannot >handle any more people. Check out also the increasing debt in the Third >World, which has increased by a factor of 6 since the 1970's in constant >dollars (World Bank) and the gradual reduction in carry-over grain >stocks. the world bank does not need all that money: we may cancel the debt From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Fri Jan 19 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!agate!darkstar.UCSC.EDU!dfong From: dfong@cse.ucsc.edu (Don Fong) Newsgroups: alt.misc,alt.org.earth-first,alt.org.food-not-bombs,alt.org.sierra-club,bionet.population-bio Subject: Re: is there a problem w/ population? Date: 20 Jan 1996 02:02:48 GMT Organization: UC Santa Cruz CIS/CE Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4dpig8$fa1@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <30FA2BB2.3AF0@uky.campus.mci.net> <30FFDF6D.6C05@uky.campus.mci.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: arapaho.cse.ucsc.edu In article <30FFDF6D.6C05@uky.campus.mci.net>, Matt Gregory wrote: >Once I sat down and read the works of Herman Kahn and Julian Simon, the >optmist model of population growth began to make much more sense. I to >believe that we humans are a crafty race, and when faced with a severe >resource problem we will rise to the occasion. We have done it in the >past and we shall do it again in the future. unfortunately, humans have been able to do this only at the expense of other species. an ever-increasing share of the productivity of the biosphere now goes to meet human needs. (just take a look at world fisheries, for example.) optimistically it might be possible to increase this to 100%. but is this the kind of world we want to live in? -- --- don fong ``i still want the peace dividend'' -- From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Fri Jan 19 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!rutgers!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!istar.net!news1.ottawa.istar.net!fonorola!news.ottawa.istar.net!nntp.igs.net!usenet From: dleech@cnwl.igs.net (David Leech) Newsgroups: bionet.plants,bionet.population-bio Subject: St Lawrence River Conference - Call for Papers Date: 20 Jan 1996 15:25:43 GMT Organization: IGS - Information Gateway Services Lines: 129 Message-ID: <4dr1hn$kc2@nntp.igs.net> Reply-To: dleech@cnwl.igs.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp2.cnwl.igs.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.6 Xref: biosci bionet.plants:9981 bionet.population-bio:1761 (Aussi disponsible en francais de dleech@cnwl.igs.net) Call for Abstracts 3rd Annual Conference on the St. Lawrence River Ecosystem May 14-16, 1996 - Civic Complex, Cornwall, Ontario Canada, the United States and the Mohawk Community at Akwesasne share one of the World's major river systems - the majestic St. Lawrence. Students, professors, government managers, community leaders, environmentalists, business and industry representatives, and other inquisitive minds from universities, colleges, and other science centres are invited to share their knowledge and their science on the River's state, its major stressors, and its potential for rehabilitation and recovery. The Conference is intended to be an integrated scientific exploration of problems and issues of strategic importance in order to lead to the River's rehabilitation. Sessions will be structured to include natural, health and social science perspectives on the problems and solutions that represent the St. Lawrence Ecosystem challenge. The conference will be an opportunity to enhance international and regional dialogue among different levels of government, different cultural and linguistic groups, and other stakeholders and to facilitate partnership building for the sake of better public policy. This Conference will provide a forum for the presentation of final research results from the three-year St. Lawrence River Ecosystem Recovery Project (1993 - 1996), a Green Plan, Tri-Council research project being carried out by the Institute for Research on Environment and Economy (IREE), University of Ottawa. The entire St. Lawrence River community is extended an invitation to participate and to comment on the science presented. Themes to be explored at the conference Public policy in the St. Lawrence River - Great Lakes Basin Landscape Ecology of the St. Lawrence River - Great Lakes Basin Fisheries Science Biological Effects Monitoring Relative Significance of Environmental Problems in the Cornwall/Massena area Sediment Contamination Human Health in the Ecosystem Wetlands Integrity Air Quality - monitoring and change Forestry Agriculture - ground water contamination, pesticide use Education - perceptions, innovations and the media L'ethique Environnementale RAPs, ZIPs, public participation and environmental activism St. Lawrence River Ecosystem Geology Naturalized Knowledge Systems History of the River Any other paper or poster regarding the St. Lawrence River Ecosystem. Contacts Please submit abstracts to: Attention: Roger Needham, Academic Committee, Department of Geography, University of Ottawa, Ottawa, Ontario, K1N 6N5. E-mail: rdnad@acadvm1.uottawa.ca . Deadline for Paper and Poster Abstracts Paper and poster abstracts must be submitted to the Academic Committee no later than February 15, 1996. Announcement of Acceptance The announcements of acceptance will be mailed to presenting authors on March 15, 1996. A registration package and fees list for the conference will be included with the announcement. Format Please prepare an abstract that is readable for a general audience. It should be a maximum of 250 words, including a clear statement of purpose, a brief overview of method or approach, a summary of results, and a concluding statement. Please submit the abstract on a 3½" diskette in an IBM WordPerfect or Word 5.x format. Please label the disk with the last and first name(s) of the presenter(s). Please submit two hard copies of the abstract with the diskette. You may also send your abstract, in ASCII format, to rdnad@acadvm1.uottawa.ca . Final papers must be submitted by March 15, 1996. The abstracts will not be edited. Authors are responsible for spelling, grammatical and typographical accuracy. Type the title in upper and lower case, followed by the author(s), affiliations(s), and address(es). The name of the person who will present the paper or poster should appear first in the case of co-authors. The body of the abstract should be single spaced in upper and lower case. Do not use underline or boldface. Abstracts will be published in the conference proceedings. Please indicate your preference of platform or poster presentation. In planning your presentation, please note that each platform speaker is allotted 20 minutes, including questions and discussion. Audio-visual equipment will be provided for your presentation with advance notice of 48 hours. A critique of each presentation will be made by members of the community. A specific time will be allotted during the conference for a poster session. Poster presenters are expected to remain with their poster during that time. Posters must have maximum dimensions of 5' x 6' and may be free standing or mounted on display boards. Presenters are responsible for supplying their own means of attachment. For more information, please contact: Conference Committee, St. Lawrence River Institute of Environmental Sciences, 709 Cotton Mill Street, Cornwall, Ontario, K6H 7K7. Phone #: (613) 936-6620, Fax: (613)936-1803. E-mail: dleech@cnwl.igs.net Attention: David Leech, Conference Coordinator. From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Fri Jan 19 22:00:00 1996 Newsgroups: alt.misc,alt.org.earth-first,alt.org.food-not-bombs,alt.org.sierra-club,bionet.population-bio Path: biosci!rutgers!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!EU.net!peer-news.britain.eu.net!bcc.ac.uk!news From: "G.LEONARDI" Subject: Re: is there a problem w/ population? Sender: news@ucl.ac.uk (Usenet News System) Message-ID: <1996Jan20.215947.53051@ucl.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 21:59:47 GMT To: dchippin@tuba.aix.calpoly.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <4dmm4e$o2f@gryphon.phoenix.net> <4dnb66$22q0@tuba.aix.calpoly.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) Organization: lshtm Lines: 19 dchippin@tuba.aix.calpoly.edu (David Chipping) wrote: >Hey Shell and Thio: >Did you know that it currently takes 10 calories of energy to produce a >calorie of food in the US agribusiness-marketing complex.... that some >crops require up to seven passes of the field with a tractor. We have >advanced beyond the Malthus predictions because of fossil fuels, but >they are NOT limitless. To substitute a high-tech substitute, like the >nuclear tractor, even if possible, would require too much capital. Many >areas such as Cairo, Mexico City, Yellow River Valley, simply cannot >handle any more people. Check out also the increasing debt in the Third >World, which has increased by a factor of 6 since the 1970's in constant >dollars (World Bank) and the gradual reduction in carry-over grain >stocks. the world bank does not need all that money: we may cancel the debt From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Sat Jan 20 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!rutgers!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!news.forth.gr!news-ath.forthnet.gr!news.compulink.gr!NewsWatcher!user From: artcore1@compulink.gr (Manos Krokos) Newsgroups: alt.misc,alt.org.earth-first,alt.org.food-not-bombs,alt.org.sierra-club,bionet.population-bio Subject: Re: is there a problem w/ population? Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 03:44:47 +0300 Organization: CompuLink Network Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: <30FA2BB2.3AF0@uky.campus.mci.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: athena.compulink.gr In article <30FA2BB2.3AF0@uky.campus.mci.net>, Matt Gregory wrote: > Shelly Gunther wrote: > > > > I don't understand why people are so concerned with the size of the > > population. Don't we have the technology to make more food? Or at least > > use it better? These people w/ their "overpopulation" thing seem a little > > paranoid to me. > > > > -s > > > > -- > > ------- > > (Shelly Gunther ) > > (balloon@yosemite.acns.nwu.edu ) > > ("Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage" ) > > -------I disagree with you feelings that we are being a little paranoid about > the population explosion we are now seeing. The carrying capacity of our > earth is a very touchy thing. To see how fragile it is all you need to > do is look at it on a region by region basis. If you view some of the > disadvantaged nations of the world it can be clearly seen what happens > we the carrying capacity is surpassed. You have rampant disease and > horriable cases of malnutrition. Need we be reminded of Ethiopian famine > of the mid 80's, our more recently the run in with ebola in Zaire. While > the populations on these nations is not as big as other nations maybe > they have already exceeded there carrying capacity > > I support the notion that Thomas Malthus had in the early nineteenth > century. Malthus basically felt there would be a time when we will have > a larger population than our food supply can handle. The results I fear > will be catastrophic. Well, according to Malthus' notion, people in Zaire and Ethiopia should NOT get any aid, but left to die. Earth does not have any human morals. It will support only if it can. The rest will perish. The matter is that considering, let's say, African reaches, each African should be if not a tycoon, quite well off. It is a matter of politics. It is a matter of capitalism draining the reaches of the globe. Of rich countries in the «free» capitalist world making profit from human suffer. -- manos artcore1@compulink.gr From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Sun Jan 21 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!news00.sunet.se!sunic!news99.sunet.se!news.funet.fi!news.helsinki.fi!kruuna!cjjohans From: cjjohans@cc.Helsinki.FI (Carl J R Johansson) Newsgroups: alt.misc,alt.org.earth-first,alt.org.food-not-bombs,alt.org.sierra-club,bionet.population-bio Subject: Re: is there a problem w/ population? Followup-To: alt.misc,alt.org.earth-first,alt.org.food-not-bombs,alt.org.sierra-club,bionet.population-bio Date: 22 Jan 1996 17:01:22 GMT Organization: University of Helsinki Lines: 41 Message-ID: <4e0ft2$mdl@oravannahka.Helsinki.FI> References: <30FA2BB2.3AF0@uky.campus.mci.net> <30FFDF6D.6C05@uky.campus.mci.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kruuna.helsinki.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] : > >After posting this message, I was stimulated to read further in the area : of population growth. My earlier knowledge, on the subject of population : growth, was based mostly on the pessimist model of growth. This model is : the easiest for us to digest because we are bombarded by it in the media : every day. : Once I sat down and read the works of Herman Kahn and Julian Simon, the : optmist model of population growth began to make much more sense. I to : believe that we humans are a crafty race, and when faced with a severe : resource problem we will rise to the occasion. We have done it in the : past and we shall do it again in the future. : The pessimist model, after study, seems to have a big problem. The : founders of this dismal view were alive before the advent of modern : agriculture. This caused them to view the world as a place that would : always be stuck in the mode of subsistance farming. But as we can see : today this is clearly not the case. : I feel now that there is plenty of food out there we just have a problem : with distribution because of unstable governments that can be found : around the world. According to my information only the U.S., Argentina and Australia & New Zeeland are net exporters of food today, the rest of the world is a net importer if one treats Europe and Asia as single units (with big overall food deficits). This was a source of major humiliation for the USSR, they strived to be self-reliant in everything but were forced to import food from their arch-enemy. China is very likely becoming a major importer soon because of population growth and desertification. The Third World could produce more food but they prefer to cultivate "cash crops" instead (coffee, cacao, bananas etc.) for export. The only major arable areas left in the world are the rain forests, but they are needed to keep the atmosphere in check. So if there was another Dust Bowl in your country today that would have a significant global impact. From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Sun Jan 21 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!rutgers!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: dmckeen@ix.netcom.com(Darren McKeen ) Newsgroups: bionet.population-bio Subject: Family size...Population growth Date: 21 Jan 1996 22:02:54 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4dud6e$8vf@ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-van-wa1-10.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Jan 21 2:02:55 PM PST 1996 I'm doing a study on understanding the reasons why people in the US decide on the size of their families; such as religious, economic, lack of contraception reasons, etc. Can you please provide any insight into this matter? Any online database would also be helpful. From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Sun Jan 21 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!CNS.BU.EDU!cns-cas From: cns-cas@CNS.BU.EDU (CNS/CAS) Newsgroups: bionet.population-bio Subject: B.U. Neural Systems Seminars Date: 22 Jan 1996 07:51:54 -0800 Organization: Boston University - Dept. of Cognitive & Neural Systems Lines: 48 Sender: daemon@net.bio.net Distribution: world Message-ID: <199601221543.KAA05031@cns.bu.edu> Reply-To: cas-cns@cns.bu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: net.bio.net CENTER FOR ADAPTIVE SYSTEMS AND DEPARTMENT OF COGNITIVE AND NEURAL SYSTEMS BOSTON UNIVERSITY January 26 SELF--SIMILARITY IN NEURAL SIGNALS Professor Malvin Teich, Department of Electrical, Computer, and Systems Engineering, Boston University February 2 THE FUNCTIONAL ARCHITECTURE OF HUMAN VISUAL MOTION PERCEPTION Dr. Zhong-Lin Lu, Department of Cognitive Sciences and Institute for Mathematical Behavioral Sciences, University of California at Irvine February 9 DIVERSITY IN THE STRUCTURE AND FUNCTION OF HIPPOCAMPAL SYNAPSES Professor Kristen Harris, Division of Neuroscience, Children's Hospital and Program in Neuroscience, Harvard Medical School February 16 GROUP BEHAVIOR AND LEARNING IN AUTONOMOUS AGENTS Dr. Maja Mataric, Department of Computer Science, Brandeis University March 15 TOPOGRAPHY OF COGNITION: CELLULAR AND CIRCUIT BASIS OF WORKING MEMORY Dr. Patricia Goldman-Rakic, Neurobiology Section, Yale University School of Medicine March 22 EMOTION, MEMORY, AND THE BRAIN Professor Joseph LeDoux, Center for Neural Science, New York University April 5 AUDITORY PROCESSING OF COMPLEX SOUNDS Professor Laurel Carney, Department of Biomedical Engineering, Boston University April 19, 1:00--5:00 P.M. OPENING CELEBRATION FOR 677 BEACON STREET Invited lectures and refreshments to celebrate the new CNS building. Details to follow. Call 353-7857 for information. All talks except April 19 on Fridays at 2:00 PM in Room B02 (Please note the new lecture time!) Refreshments after the lecture in Room B01 677 Beacon Street, Boston From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Sun Jan 21 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!dircon!usenet From: k-k@dircon.co.uk (semtex et al) Newsgroups: alt.misc,alt.org.earth-first,alt.org.food-not-bombs,alt.org.sierra-club,bionet.population-bio Subject: Re: is there a problem w/ population? Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 18:10:35 GMT Organization: Direct Connection Lines: 100 Message-ID: <4e0jrf$5c@newsgate.dircon.co.uk> References: <30FA2BB2.3AF0@uky.campus.mci.net> <30FFDF6D.6C05@uky.campus.mci.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: gw4-039.pool.dircon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Matt Gregory wrote: ->>Michael T. Hanson wrote: ->>> ->>> The famine in Ethiopia was a political decision by those in power to ->>> subjugate the population. It had nothing to do with population size. ->>> Food supplies were available, but the government chose not to allow ->>> distribution or to allow planting of crops. ->>> ->>> From: Michael T.Hanson, Ph.D. ->>> Biological Sciences Department ->>> California Polytechnic State University ->>> San Luis Obispo, CA 93407 ->>> mthanson@oboe.calpoly.edu ->>> (805)756-2444 ->>> fax (805)756-1419 ->>> ->>> On Mon, 15 Jan 1996, Matt Gregory wrote: ->>> ->>> > Shelly Gunther wrote: ->>> > > ->>> > > I don't understand why people are so concerned with the size of the ->>> > > population. Don't we have the technology to make more food? Or at least ->>> > > use it better? These people w/ their "overpopulation" thing seem a little ->>> > > paranoid to me. ->>> > > ->>> > > -s ->>> > > ->>> > > -- ->>> > > ------- ->>> > > (Shelly Gunther ) ->>> > > (balloon@yosemite.acns.nwu.edu ) ->>> > > ("Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage" ) ->>> > > -------I disagree with you feelings that we are being a little paranoid about ->>> > the population explosion we are now seeing. The carrying capacity of our ->>> > earth is a very touchy thing. To see how fragile it is all you need to ->>> > do is look at it on a region by region basis. If you view some of the ->>> > disadvantaged nations of the world it can be clearly seen what happens ->>> > we the carrying capacity is surpassed. You have rampant disease and ->>> > horriable cases of malnutrition. Need we be reminded of Ethiopian famine ->>> > of the mid 80's, our more recently the run in with ebola in Zaire. While ->>> > the populations on these nations is not as big as other nations maybe ->>> > they have already exceeded there carrying capacity ->>> > ->>> > I support the notion that Thomas Malthus had in the early nineteenth ->>> > century. Malthus basically felt there would be a time when we will have ->>> > a larger population than our food supply can handle. The results I fear ->>> > will be catastrophic. ->>> > ->>> >After posting this message, I was stimulated to read further in the area ->>of population growth. My earlier knowledge, on the subject of population ->>growth, was based mostly on the pessimist model of growth. This model is ->>the easiest for us to digest because we are bombarded by it in the media ->>every day. ->>Once I sat down and read the works of Herman Kahn and Julian Simon, the ->>optmist model of population growth began to make much more sense. I to ->>believe that we humans are a crafty race, and when faced with a severe ->>resource problem we will rise to the occasion. We have done it in the ->>past and we shall do it again in the future. ->>The pessimist model, after study, seems to have a big problem. The ->>founders of this dismal view were alive before the advent of modern ->>agriculture. This caused them to view the world as a place that would ->>always be stuck in the mode of subsistance farming. But as we can see ->>today this is clearly not the case. ->>I feel now that there is plenty of food out there we just have a problem ->>with distribution because of unstable governments that can be found ->>around the It is worth also noting the relationship between army involvement in government and the level of poverty in many of *the over-populated* poor countries. In many countries - it is not that the economy can't support the population but that huge proportions of the GNP is being spent on arms imports. One *advnatage* for a miltary or other dictatorship of a starving, undernourished population with negligable healthcare is their inability to revolt or organise. Regarding the Eubola virus. I would argue that it is dangerous to connect over population with outbreaks of rare or *dangerous* viri. A similar virus *let loose* in New York, London, Berlin etc would also find some considerable success. It is not *over-population* but the nature of modern urban living that is the issue. "The unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates (469-399BC) "Nothing ever become real untill it is experienced" John Keats (1795-1821) "Until the conditions themselves cry out 'hic Rhodus hic salta' (here is the Rose. And here we shall dance) " Karl Marx (1818-1883) From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Sun Jan 21 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!unixhub!news.Stanford.EDU!morrow.stanford.edu!usenet From: felix@wilson.Stanford.EDU (Li Jin) Newsgroups: bionet.population-bio Subject: one day symposium on gene expression and mutation analysis Date: 22 Jan 1996 20:09:04 GMT Organization: Stanford University Lines: 112 Message-ID: <4e0qt0$ii7@morrow.stanford.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: wilson.stanford.edu Gene Expression and Mutation Analysis Holiday Inn, Foster City, CA April 16th, 1996 (Tuesday) [Sponsored by the Californian Separation Science Society] 8:45 - 9:00 am Gene expression and mutation analysis - a perspective. To be named Quantitation of Gene Expression 9:00 - 9:30 am Development of branched DNA (bDNA) signal amplification assays for the direct quantitation of gene expression. Janice A. Kolberg Nucleic Acid Systems, Chiron Corp., Emeryville, CA 9:30 - 10:00 am Accurate quantitation of gene expression by single-tube competitive RT-PCR and HPLC. Peter A. Doris Department of Cell Biology and Biochemistry, Texas Tech University, Lubbock, TX 10:00 - 10:30 am Characterization of gene expression in single neurons by patch-clamp and single-cell RT-PCR. Lillian W. Chiang Department of Neurobiology, Stanford University, CA 10:30 - 11:00 am Coffee Break Gene Expression and Function Analysis 11:00 - 11:30 am Parallel gene expression monitoring on high-density cDNA microarrays. Mark Schena Department of Biochemistry, Stanford University, CA 11:30 - 12:00 am High-throughput functional analysis of open reading frames using tagged deletion strains and high-density oligonucleotide arrays. Dan Shoemaker Department of Biochemistry, Stanford University, CA 12:00 - 12:30 am Genomic Analysis of Gene Function in Yeast using Genetic Footprinting. Victoria Smith Department of Biochemistry, Stanford University, CA 12:30 - 1:30 pm Lunch In Search of Unknown Mutations 1:30 - 2:00 pm Hybrid SSCP methods for detecting essentially 100% of mutations Hiroshi Nishino Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology, Mayo Medical School, Rochester, MN. 2:00 - 2:30 pm Enzymatic methods for mutation detection. Christopher D. Earl Avitech Diagnostics, Malvern, PA 2:30 - 3:00 pm Development and application of an in vivo method to detect DNA sequence variation. Malek Faham Department of Genetics, Stanford University, CA 3:00 - 3:30 pm High-performance liquid chromatography of nucleic acids and its application to comparative DNA sequencing. Peter Oefner Department of Biochemistry, Stanford University, CA 3:30 - 4:00 pm Coffee Break From Sequence to Genotype 4:00 - 4:20 pm Direct sequencing of PCR products. Peter Underhill Department of Genetics, Stanford University, CA 4:20 - 4:40 pm Heterozygote sequencing of HLA-polymorphisms. Mel Kronick Perkin-Elmer, Applied Biosystems Division, Foster City, CA 4:40 - 5:10 pm Closed-tube PCR analysis with fluorogenic probes for very high throughput sequence detection and quantitation. Kenneth Livak Perkin-Elmer, Applied Biosystems Division, Foster City, CA 5:10 - 5:40 pm PCR-OLA-SCS for massive-multiplex genetic testing. William Bloch Perkin-Elmer, Applied Biosystems Division, Foster City, CA 5:40 - 6:10 pm Generation of bi-allelic markers and their use in automated gene localization. Li Jin Department of Genetics, Stanford University, CA 6:10 - 8:00 pm Microbrewery Debriefing and Tasting For further information, please contact Dr. Peter Oefner at (415) 725-6117, oefner@genome.stanford.edu or Ms. Joan Salucci at Californian Separation Science Society at (415) 512-1032, society@hooked.net. Registration information: Advance registration (before April 1, 1996): CaSSS members $100.00 non-CaSSS members $125.00 students $ 50.00 Late registration (after April 1, 1996): CaSSS members $125.00 non-CaSSS members $175.00 students $ 75.00 (Registration fee includes admission, hand-out, lunch, and microbrewery tasting.) From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Sun Jan 21 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!ccnet.com!rahul.net!a2i!cameron.a2i!cameron From: Cameron Spitzer Newsgroups: alt.org.earth-first,alt.org.food-not-bombs,bionet.population-bio Subject: Re: is there a problem w/ population? Date: 22 Jan 1996 18:50:17 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4e0m99$q6p@hustle.rahul.net> References: <30FFDF6D.6C05@uky.campus.mci.net> <4e0ft2$mdl@oravannahka.helsinki.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: cameron Cc: cjjohans@cc.Helsinki.FI In article <4e0ft2$mdl@oravannahka.helsinki.fi>, Carl J R Johansson wrote: > The only major arable >areas left in the world are the rain forests, but they are needed to >keep the atmosphere in check. Most tropical rainforests don't have the kind of soil it takes to grow food crops, so it is a mistake to class tropical rainforest acreage as "arable." In a rainforest, the nutrients are tied up in living biomass, not in soil. A large fraction of tropical rainforest acreage sits on "soil" bearing high quantities of oxides of aluminum and other metals. These soils can only support (even in the mechanical sense) vegetation when they are moist and shaded. If they are suddenly exposed to full sunlight, a chemical reaction called "laterization" takes place, producing a rock-like material called "laterite" composed of a family of ceramic-like compounds. Crabgrass won't even grow on laterite. It's seldom an all-or-nothing thing, though: a typical clearcut in a tropical rainforest will sometimes grow cattle forage for a couple of years before it fails completely. Temperate rainforest soil is seldom much better. Cameron From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Sun Jan 21 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.campus.mci.net!calweb!quiknet3.quiknet.com!usenet From: zanedick@quiknet.com (Dan McAlpine) Newsgroups: bionet.population-bio Subject: Self-Control Date: 22 Jan 1996 16:32:41 GMT Organization: Quiknet Information Services. (916) 773-0917. http://www.quiknet.com Lines: 85 Message-ID: <4e0e7t$ifp@quiknet3.quiknet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: fo-55.quiknet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Human over-population is causing the extinction of many species. In order to feed and house the world population, large areas of our planet are experiencing natural resource depletion, deforestation, and pollution. Man's encroachment into the natural habitat is literally scaring animals to death. Population control, and a change in values which determine what is a high standard of living, must occur if we are to survive in a balanced ecosystem. The world population is now approaching 6 billion people and is expected to exceed 9 billion people within 50 years. Almost all of the growth in third world population will occur in the developing nations. The worlds hungry people are very eager to share in the depletion of fossil fuels. Most of the worlds production of food production is based on modern agriculture. The "ear markings" of modern agriculture are the use of artificial fertilizers, pesticides and forced irrigation. There is also a heavy dependency on machine based cultivation and harvesting. This whole system of agriculture rests on an a enormous infrastructure of aqueducts, highways, warehouses and processing plants. Modern agriculture is completely dependent on fossil fuels and expanding technology. There are no roads back to the world we once knew. The use of pesticides and fungicides has already led to the selection for resistant organisms. The people of Asia and India, still use the same methods of agriculture that were practiced hundreds of years age. None of them uses a whole lot of petroleum. In fact, these nations are where mandatory birth control policies are in effect. Yet, these countries are rapidly developing infrastructures which use fossil fuels. Will the pressure's for population control be eased due to further fossil fuel consumption? I fear to say it will. How long will the fuel oil last? Current estimates of "easily pumpable" oil reserves are on the order of 500 billion barrels. The world consumes 24 billion barrels each year. A simple calculation gives 21 years. The development of new fossil energy resources to replace petroleum are unlikely to arrive before energy shortages strike. Meanwhile, nuclear power production facilities continue to be shut down, and few new facilities are under construction.Large nuclear power plants use uranium fission to produce thermoelectric power. Where does uranium come from? Uranium deposits in the United States are actually another form of fossil fuel. They were formed by bacterial living within the great inland sea which existed millions of years ago in what is now called the Great Basin. The breakdown of granite releases the uranium into the inland sea and is precipitated out within the cell bodies of organisms. They die and collect in sedimentary layers. Though uranium is deposited in many other ways, it is still best thought of as a fossil fuel. The lifestyle of most of the people of the developing countries is rather skimpy compared to that standard of living enjoyed by the average American. If the way we rate our standard of living is by our consumption of manufactured products, and the rest of the people of the developing countries doing likewise, we will deplete resources at 4 times the current rate, assuming that Americans make up 7% of the world's population, and consume 7 billion barrels of oil per year by the year 2000. Remember, the United States is a major importer of other natural resources as well. The world now recognize 1000 endangered species. Much as the Carrier Pigeon did, some of these species will probably go extinct regardless of our efforts to save them by placing them under protection. These rare species are most affected by commercial fishing, trapping agriculture, urbanization, and pollution. The damage due to deforestation done to the rain forests of South America will cause the extinction of species which are not even known to exist yet. From this, lets try to project fifty years from now given that nothing significant changes. In United States, the once fertile agricultural land, no longer "farmable", is converted to housing tracts. Each year our farmers abandon crops which require useless pesticides and fungicides. We hear on the news that gasoline is being shipped to the third world countries in order to bury the dead in mass graves, as billions succumb to starvation and disease. The borders of the United States are heavily guarded in order to prevent entry of illegal aliens infected with incurable contagious diseases such as several drug resistant strains of tuberculosis, malaria, syphilis, AIDS, and others which were once also thought to be curable.. The orders are "shoot to kill". The only existing species of wildlife from other countries live in zoos and conservatories, half of all species are now extinct. The Atlanta Center for Disease Control has prohibited travel to foreign countries. The remaining oil bearing countries are under attack by starving and diseased soldiers. Meanwhile, the United States begins to convert vehicles to electric power and utility companies continue to convert facilities to coal burners in order to meet the increasing demands for electricity. In order to maintain our standard of living, are nuclear arsenal is used to fuel atomic power plants. Because we have no "crystal ball" to predict future events, common sense tells us that the future is in our hands. We cannot compare people to swarms of hungry locusts or predict our behavior by conducting experiments using mice. We must explore our philosophy and ethics for common ground with other living things. The proper number of people for this planet will depend on how we deal with new developments in technology, changes in philosophy, ethics, religion, politics, and economics. In any event, I suggest that a world population no greater than that which existed prior to the industrial revolution be considered as a temporary maximum, that is, of about one billion people. Some other factors which will increase the number of people that our ecosystem can support are programs such as recycling, conservation, alternate use of renewable resources. However, it is not currently possible to save enough resources through these means to add one person to an American household ( even as wasteful as we are). The control of over-population in ecologically sensitive regions of the world and a shift in the importance of the species in the picture of their standard of living must happen before the fossil resource depletion occurs, or else human starvation and mass extinction will follow, then - anything that can be eaten will be eaten. From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Mon Jan 22 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!news00.sunet.se!sunic!news99.sunet.se!news.kth.se!news From: Mike Noreen Newsgroups: alt.misc,alt.org.earth-first,alt.org.food-not-bombs,alt.org.sierra-club,bionet.population-bio Subject: Re: is there a problem w/ population? Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 01:08:15 -0800 Organization: MolSyst Lab, Naturhistoriska Riksmuseet Lines: 42 Message-ID: <3104A57F.82B@nrm.se> References: <30FA2BB2.3AF0@uky.campus.mci.net> <30FFDF6D.6C05@uky.campus.mci.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp_6.nordm.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b5 (Win16; I) Matt Gregory wrote: > Once I sat down and read the works of Herman Kahn and Julian Simon, the > optmist model of population growth began to make much more sense. I to > believe that we humans are a crafty race, and when faced with a severe > resource problem we will rise to the occasion. We have done it in the > past and we shall do it again in the future. Could someone give me a run down on what this is? I've, as a biologist, a hard time seeing anything 'optimistic' coming out of the current situation. It is a fact that almost all of the worlds current problems, from deforestation via pollution to greenhouse effects are directly linked to overpopulation, and I'm at a loss to see this change without the population decreasing - and I've got even greater problems seeing hte population decrease in an orderly manner. > The pessimist model, after study, seems to have a big problem. The > founders of this dismal view were alive before the advent of modern > agriculture. This caused them to view the world as a place that would > always be stuck in the mode of subsistance farming. But as we can see > today this is clearly not the case. Our current high production is a) topping out (try as you might, there is no more arable land to start culturing, and the seas are already taxed beyond their capacities worldwide), and b) fuelled by a non-renewable energy source - oil. Current production is impossible without the use of insecticides and fossil fuels, that's the plain truth. > I feel now that there is plenty of food out there we just have a problem > with distribution because of unstable governments that can be found > around the world. That is true today. We COULD feed a population more than twice that of today - but not give them a living standard anywhere near what the industrialized countries have today. In short, yes, the earth can sustain (for a while, atleast) a huge human population living in poverty, with as many people starving as are born. Does anyone find this scenario appealing? I would also like to point out that there is nothing but famine to curb the population growth. Even the UN estimate of 12B is based on carrying capacity. From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Mon Jan 22 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!news00.sunet.se!sunic!news99.sunet.se!news.kth.se!news From: Mike Noreen Newsgroups: alt.misc,alt.org.earth-first,alt.org.food-not-bombs,alt.org.sierra-club,bionet.population-bio Subject: Re: is there a problem w/ population? Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 01:11:44 -0800 Organization: MolSyst Lab, Naturhistoriska Riksmuseet Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3104A650.DE6@nrm.se> References: <30FA2BB2.3AF0@uky.campus.mci.net> <30FFDF6D.6C05@uky.campus.mci.net> <4e0jrf$5c@newsgate.dircon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp_6.nordm.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b5 (Win16; I) semtex et al wrote: > > Matt Gregory wrote: > > I would argue that it is dangerous to connect over population with outbreaks of > rare or *dangerous* viri. I agree. > A similar virus *let loose* in New York, London, Berlin etc would also find some > considerable success. It is not *over-population* but the nature of modern urban > living that is the issue. What you're really saying is that it's population density, not necessarily size, which is the important factor. Let's remember here that having several tens of thousand people per square kilometer (as you'll have in a city) really IS highly unnatural and over-populated. From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Mon Jan 22 22:00:00 1996 Newsgroups: alt.misc,alt.org.earth-first,alt.org.food-not-bombs,alt.org.sierra-club,bionet.population-bio Path: biosci!rutgers!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!fox.almaden.ibm.com!garlic.com!news.scruz.net!cruzio.com!news From: Joe Rooney Subject: Re: is there a problem w/ population? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: Cruzio Community Networking System, Santa Cruz, CA Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 16:38:39 GMT Message-ID: <31050F0F.E7F@cruzio.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b5 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Nntp-Posting-Host: surf228.cruzio.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <30FA2BB2.3AF0@uky.campus.mci.net> <30FFDF6D.6C05@uky.campus.mci.net> Sender: news@cruzio.com (The News UID) Lines: 61 Matt Gregory wrote: > Once I sat down and read the works of Herman Kahn and Julian Simon, the > optmist model of population growth began to make much more sense. I to > believe that we humans are a crafty race, and when faced with a severe > resource problem we will rise to the occasion. We have done it in the > past and we shall do it again in the future. > > The pessimist model, after study, seems to have a big problem. The > founders of this dismal view were alive before the advent of modern > agriculture. This caused them to view the world as a place that would > always be stuck in the mode of subsistance farming. But as we can see > today this is clearly not the case. > > I feel now that there is plenty of food out there we just have a problem > with distribution because of unstable governments that can be found > around the world. -- It seems that alot of people are missing the most crucial aspect of the whole population debate. It's true that when a species is populated beyond its carrying capacity it can continue to survive beyond its means for quite some time before the bottom drops out. However a more significant problem is the rate of population increase. If we humans continue to produce firtile offspring at the rate we've been going, even if there's no immediate problem now, there soon will be. I beleve we're already beyond our capacity, especially if the rest of the world is busily trying to meet the US/European model of success. Even without an increase in population, there will be an increase in the load humans put on the Earth's ecology, as everyone tries to waste as much energy as the next guy. With regard to modern agriculture, assuming the only resource humans need for a decent lifestyle is food, there may be more technology to produce more food for more humans to produce more humans, but is this really what we want? There can never be enough technology to produce enough for an arbitrarily large population that's growing out of control. If our population is doubling every twenty years, or even every fifty years, our food production must also be doubling at the same rate. At some point something's gotta give. Let's assume food production can keep up with population for several more generations, of course it can't, but... Okay, what are the costs of all this food production? How have we managed to churn out as much food as we already have? By clear-cutting forrests, evicting all the life we could find (including humans), and plowing all the land under vast monocultures. When we find that that kind of concentration of a single species results in disease and pests, we rise to the occassion by making chemical pesticides to spray all over our food. When we find the soil can't support an annual harvesting of everything growing on it, we add chemical fertilizers to compensate. Of course, all these chemicals have to come from SOMEWHERE; all we're doing is shifting energy from one part of the earth to another. The technology of producing amazing quantities of food is not magic, it's science. The law of conservation of energy cannot be violated. If Nebraska exports hundreds of tons of corn year after year, it needs to import hundreds of tons of whatever that corn is made of. Otherwise we're just subsisting off of savings until it's all gone. And in the world of biological survival, there is no public assistance, only extinction. -Joe "Liability limited to the replacement value of this post" From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Mon Jan 22 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!bcm.tmc.edu!pendragon!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.eng.convex.com!not-for-mail From: schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher) Newsgroups: alt.misc,alt.org.earth-first,alt.org.food-not-bombs,alt.org.sierra-club,bionet.population-bio Subject: Re: is there a problem w/ population? Date: 22 Jan 1996 23:44:53 -0600 Organization: Engineering, Convex Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx USA Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4e1skl$2sj@flare.convex.com> References: <30FA2BB2.3AF0@uky.campus.mci.net> <30FFDF6D.6C05@uky.campus.mci.net> <4e0jrf$5c@newsgate.dircon.co.uk> <3104A650.DE6@nrm.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: flare.convex.com >> > I don't understand why people are so concerned with the size of the >> > population. Don't we have the technology to make more food? Or at least >> > use it better? These people w/ their "overpopulation" thing seem a little >> > paranoid to me. You're right! In the future, all people will enjoy a hearty diet while telecommuting and watching TV in their 800 square-foot apartments. Of course, no one will be able to afford cars, there'll be traffic jams on all the bike paths inside the megamalls, and there will be a six year wait for a weekend camping permit at Devil's Lake, Wisconsin (limit two per lifetime), but at least we'll be able to carry along twelve billion well-fed people. >> > ("Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage" ) You think so now? Just wait forty years. From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Tue Jan 23 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!rutgers!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: ZUCP44A@prodigy.com (Theodore Oberman) Newsgroups: bionet.population-bio Subject: Re: is there a problem w/ population? Date: 24 Jan 1996 16:15:55 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 9 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4e5lvr$2vd0@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> References: <30fa2bb2.3af0@uky.campus.mci.net> <30ffdf6d.6c05@uky.campus.mci.net> <4dpig8$fa1@darkstar.ucsc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: inugap3.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Whether or not the ideal world has humans utilizing 100 percent of the available resources is another question entirely. No, probably no one wants to live in that type of world, but that doesn't change the fact that overpopulation should, for the foreseeable future, be relegated to the realm of science fiction, not science. Theodore Oberman From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Tue Jan 23 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!rutgers!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!news00.sunet.se!sunic!news99.sunet.se!news.funet.fi!news.helsinki.fi!kruuna!cjjohans From: cjjohans@cc.Helsinki.FI (Carl J R Johansson) Newsgroups: alt.misc,alt.org.earth-first,alt.org.food-not-bombs,alt.org.sierra-club,bionet.population-bio Subject: Re: is there a problem w/ population? Followup-To: alt.misc,alt.org.earth-first,alt.org.food-not-bombs,alt.org.sierra-club,bionet.population-bio Date: 24 Jan 1996 10:25:46 GMT Organization: University of Helsinki Lines: 64 Message-ID: <4e51fa$4l7@oravannahka.Helsinki.FI> References: <30FA2BB2.3AF0@uky.campus.mci.net> <30FFDF6D.6C05@uky.campus.mci.net> <3104A57F.82B@nrm.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: kruuna.helsinki.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Mike Noreen (ev-michael@nrm.se) wrote: : Matt Gregory wrote: : > Once I sat down and read the works of Herman Kahn and Julian Simon, the : > optmist model of population growth began to make much more sense. I to : > believe that we humans are a crafty race, and when faced with a severe : > resource problem we will rise to the occasion. We have done it in the : > past and we shall do it again in the future. : Could someone give me a run down on what this is? I've, as a biologist, : a hard time seeing anything 'optimistic' coming out of the current : situation. It is a fact that almost all of the worlds current problems, : from deforestation via pollution to greenhouse effects are directly : linked to overpopulation, and I'm at a loss to see this change without : the population decreasing - and I've got even greater problems seeing hte : population decrease in an orderly manner. : > The pessimist model, after study, seems to have a big problem. The : > founders of this dismal view were alive before the advent of modern : > agriculture. This caused them to view the world as a place that would : > always be stuck in the mode of subsistance farming. But as we can see : > today this is clearly not the case. : Our current high production is a) topping out (try as you might, there is : no more arable land to start culturing, and the seas are already taxed : beyond their capacities worldwide), and b) fuelled by a non-renewable : energy source - oil. Current production is impossible without the use of : insecticides and fossil fuels, that's the plain truth. : > I feel now that there is plenty of food out there we just have a problem : > with distribution because of unstable governments that can be found : > around the world. : That is true today. We COULD feed a population more than twice that of : today - but not give them a living standard anywhere near what the : industrialized countries have today. In short, yes, the earth can sustain : (for a while, atleast) a huge human population living in poverty, with : as many people starving as are born. Does anyone find this scenario : appealing? : I would also like to point out that there is nothing but famine to curb : the population growth. Even the UN estimate of 12B is based on carrying : capacity. I don't think there is any reason to be THAT gloomy, India is developing a middle class with a smaller urge to have big families and even in rural China people are actually starting to *want* to have one-kid families (instead of being forced to by the government). I think it's all about the status of women in society, the higher the standards of living are and the more equal the society is the better. My country (Finland) is one of the most equal in the world and a couple of years ago we had zero population growth (I think it was actually declining). If women have their career to worry about they don't have much spare time for many kids, but if they are supposed to handle the household they can use as many helping hands as possible. The situation in Islamic countries is of course still pretty bad, and the repression there is not even decreed by the religion, it's only an ancient Arabic custom. cj From owner-population-bio@net.bio.net Tue Jan 23 22:00:00 1996 Path: biosci!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!xmission!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!waldorf.csc.calpoly.edu!isnews.csc.calpoly.edu!violin.aix.calpoly.edu!mthanson From: "Michael T. Hanson" Newsgroups: alt.misc,alt.org.earth-first,alt.org.food-not-bombs,alt.org.sierra-club,bionet.population-bio Subject: Re: is there a problem w/ population? Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 14:59:24 -0800 Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo Lines: 73 Message-ID: References: <30FA2BB2.3AF0@uky.campus.mci.net> NNTP-Posting-User: mthanson@violin.aix.calpoly.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE In-Reply-To: Bull crap! From: Michael T.Hanson, Ph.D. Biological Sciences Department California Polytechnic State University San Luis Obispo, CA 93407 mthanson@oboe.calpoly.edu (805)756-2444 fax (805)756-1419 On Sun, 21 Jan 1996, Manos Krokos wrote: > In article <30FA2BB2.3AF0@uky.campus.mci.net>, Matt Gregory > wrote: >=20 > > Shelly Gunther wrote: > > >=20 > > > I don't understand why people are so concerned with the size of the > > > population. Don't we have the technology to make more food? Or at l= east > > > use it better? These people w/ their "overpopulation" thing seem a l= ittle > > > paranoid to me. > > >=20 > > > -s > > >=20 > > > -- > > > ------- > > > (Shelly Gunther ) > > > (balloon@yosemite.acns.nwu.edu ) > > > ("Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage" ) > > > -------I disagree with you feelings that we are being a little > paranoid about=20 > > the population explosion we are now seeing. The carrying capacity of ou= r=20 > > earth is a very touchy thing. To see how fragile it is al