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Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 12:11:07 GMT Organization: Seeker of Truth Lines: 375 Message-ID: <8579gn$eia$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <84u51j$rpg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: lisse@saintmail.net X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jan 08 12:11:07 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.0Gold (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x37.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 202.188.180.30 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDlovingly To: pop-bio@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sender: owner-pop-bio@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear Graham, Thank you for replying. Let me answer your last question first - Yes, _officially_ there are supposed to be "regulations", including "PLANNING REGULATIONS", - but Graham, please bear in mind the following two things: 1. Malaysia is a Third World Country 2. Malaysia is one of the MOST CORRUPTED country in the world - corruption is EVERYWHERE, straight from the TOP LEVEL of the Malaysian government, down to lowly "regulation enforcers". The people here are essentially POWERLESS to do anything, because A. The government has the backing of the military and secret police, and they are not afraid of using terror to scare the people back in line, and B. The so called "DEMOCRACY" is a joke. The so called "ELECTION" was filled with frauds, with over SIX HUNDRED THOUSANDS voters found themselves NOT ALLOWED TO VOTE, because of "technicalities", and ballot-box stuffings happened almost everywhere. So to answer your question "Are there no planning regulations in Malaysia ?" the answer is Yes, but they were NEVER implemented. People can get around with _ANY_ regulation if they STUFF MONEY into the pocket of the officers in charged of enforcing the "regulations". Shell Malaysia is OVERFLOWING with MONEY. In fact, Shell Malaysia commands THE LARGEST SHARE of Malaysia's petroleum (gasoline) market. I do NOT want to make any baseless accusation here, but it isn't that hard to imagine Shell not using some of their overflowing pot of gold to fatten up some officers in charge of safety regulations and planning regulations. After all, one more Shell station up is ONE MORE MONEY MAKING MACHINE for Shell Oil Company. Who cares about the safety and health of ANYBODY when MONEY is everything? To answer your question "Is their no way of legally/officially objecting to this decision?" my answer is this - If I am RICHER than Shell Oil Company, there will be MANY WAYS for me. But unfortunately, I am NOT THAT RICH ! You see, the court system in Malaysia is corrupted as well. Even if I sue Shell Malaysia, they can throw my case out, AND THEN get the court to impose a HEFTY PENALTY on me, for "ruining the reputation of Shell Malaysia". There _had_ been precendents before. In Malaysia, there had been cases of individuals making some remarks regarding some wealthy bigshots and/or big conglomerates, and the individuals ended up having FINED by the Malaysian court for MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR DAMAGES for "damaging the reputations" of those bigshots / businesses. I have to add that Shell Malaysia so far hasn't done this kind of thing yet, but that doesn't mean they will NOT do it, right? To answer your question "Can the parents be mobalised/organised?" my answer is First, I have to find ways to EDUCATE the parents. Most of the Malaysians are NOT THAT WELL EDUCATED. Most of them don't know the TRUE DANGER for so many things. You will be amazed (or TERRIFIED) with the way Malaysians doing things. There are SO MANY TIMES I have witnessed people SMOKING CIGARETTES WHILE PUMPING GAS, and even with EXPLOSIONS of gas stations (yes, there HAD BEEN SEVERAL EXPLOSIONS of gas stations in Malaysia !!) most people here still have much difficulties to understand the connection of SMOKING INSIDE GAS STATIONS and the EXPLOSIONS of gas stations ! I know, it _IS_ very frustrating at times, when I think about things like this. One of the easiest way to educate the parents is by printing leaflets outlining the DANGERS of gas stations, and even the VERY ACT of printing leaflets can get you trouble (LEGALLY) in Malaysia. You see, in Malaysia, there are lots of DRACONIAN LAWS in the book. One of the draconian law is the PRINTING ACT - that is, if you print something the government doesn't like, they can LEGALLY CHARGE YOU in the court, with trumped up charges. So what can I do? Sincerely I do not know. That is why I come online, to the internet, SEEKING IDEAS and HELPS from anyone who are willing to offer tips or whatever help they can offer. I have to stress that I am NOT anti-Shell, or anti-ANYTHING. The only thing I am trying to do is to CLOSE DOWN A SHELL GAS STATION that the SHELL MALAYSIA is building NEXT DOOR TO AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL which has OVER ONE THOUSAND STUDENTS currently studying there ! I have written to Shell Malaysia, I have called them up, I have faxed them, I have tried EVERYTHING to contact them, but they (Shell Malaysia) has so far VERY SUCCESSFUL in NOT REPLYING. They have IGNORED ALL MY APPEAL, and they are deteremined to GET THAT GAS STATION (in final phase of completion) in OPERATION. I do not know what you call it in the UK or elsewhere, but over here, I call it EVIL. Anyone willing to sacrify the SAFETY and HEALTH of OVER ONE THOUSAND SMALL CHILDREN for money are NOT good people. To me, NO AMOUNT OF MONEY can buy the health and safety of small children. THE CHILDREN'S LIVES ARE NOT FOR SALE, but so far, Shell Malaysia seems to think that there _IS_ a price tag on the lives of small children in Malaysia, and to them, the price tag MUST BE SMALL, because they totally DISREGARD the lives of OVER ONE THOUSAND LITTLE CHILDREN for just ONE LOUSY GAS STATION ! To answer your question "Can the school staff, or even the kids do something?" my answer is the school staffs have the SAME LEVEL of EDUCATION as most of the Malaysian people - that is to say, NOT MUCH. And the kids? If their parents aren't aware of ANYTHING, who am I to tell the kids that their parents are IGNORANT ? This sounds VERY HOPELESS, isn't it? But I am NOT giving up. I STEADFASTLY REFUSE to give up, because I think what I am trying to do is RIGHT. I am STILL TRYING TO FIND WAYS, and IF ANYONE OF YOU CAN OFFER ANY HELP, PLEASE HELP. Someone once told me that there may be environmental groups in Holland that may be able to put some pressure on Shell Oil's World Headquarter in Holland. I have sent an email to the Green Peace group in Holland three days ago, and so far, I have NOT received any reply from them. I hope they will reply me. And in the meantime, if you, or ANYONE YOU KNOW, know of any group of people, inside or outside of Holland who may know how to put pressure on Shell Oil Company, please get them to contact me. I sure would very much need the help from ANYONE willing to help me. I know, I know, I am sounding like a crusader, but I am NOT a crusader. I am only a simple person, in my twenties, just finished my education from the United States, and working for a small company in Malaysia. Am I alone in my concern? I do not think so. Four days ago, some one wrote a "Letter to the Editor" to a local newspaper "The Star" pointing out the danger of having a petrol station beside heavily populated area. Apparently the person was refering to the SAME SCHOOL I am concerned with. I have contacted the paper, trying to find out who was it who wrote that "Letter to the Editor", hoping that perhaps I can join forces with that person. Unfortunately the newspaper did not keep any record of who sent them what. So I am back to square one, trying to deal with this matter on my own. Anyway, here is the re-hashed blurb of what is going on: Shell Malaysia, a subsidiary of Shell Oil Company, in Malaysia, is constructing a new gas station NEXT DOOR to an elementary school, which has OVER ONE THOUSAND LITTLE SCHOOL CHILDREN in attendance. The gas station is in its final stage of completion, and I expect it will be operational in one or two weeks' time. The elementary school's name is Sekolah Rendah Jenis Kebangsaan (Cina) Sin Kang, or in short form, S.R.J.K (C) Sin Kang, and it is located at Thean Tek Road, in Bandar Baru Ayer Itam, (the locals here call the place "Farlim"), in the state of Penang, Malaysia. What I am trying to do is to prevent the gas station from being operational, because I am aware of the danger of explosion of gas station, which may kill many of the little school children studying in the school building RIGHT NEXT DOOR, and in Malaysia, gas stations _had_ exploded before, because of poor safety practices and non-existence of safety-regulation enforcement in Malaysia. I am also worried about the health of the young school children, over one thousand of them, because their school building is ONLY 10 METERS AWAY from the gas station. The chemical Benzene, which is HIGHLY TOXIC and also a proven CARCINOGEN to human beings, is present in gasoline. The boiling point of Benzene is 27 degree Celcius (80 degree Fehrenheit) and Penang is in the TROPICAL CLIMATE, which means, ALL YEAR LONG, the temperature reaches ABOVE 27 degree Celcius, - reaches as high as 35 degrees on some days -, which means, for the school children, EVERY SCHOOL DAY they have to breathe in Benzene fumes generated by the gasoline station RIGHT NEXT DOOR, and if you multiply up to EIGHT HOURS per school day the children have to spend at the school, by the over 280 days per year, AND by the SIX YEARS it takes an elementary school children to graduate from the elementary school, we get an alarming result of 13,440 HOURS of BENZENE INTOXICATION for each and every of the OVER ONE THOUSAND school children. With enough concentration, Benzene has proven to be able to kill A FULL GROWN ADULT HUMAN BEING in FIVE MINUTES, and we are talking about having over one thousand school children being subjected to inhaling Benzene fumes for over THIRTEEN THOUSANDS, FOUR HUNDRED AND FOURTY HOURS ! Let me ask any of you this: Is this reasonable? Is it reasonable for The Shell Oil Company to subject over one thousand little school children for such AGONY, just because they want to make more money? If you think it is NOT reasonable, I am inviting you to help out. Please tell me what to do. I am almost out of idea of what actually I can do. If you know of any environmental groups in Holland, please give me their contact addresses, names, telephone numbers, website addresses, email addresses, everything that you have, because I am thinking that perhaps I can enlist the help of Holland's environmental group into pressuring Shell Oil Company's World Headquarters, which is located in Holland, to stop their subsidiary in Malaysia, Shell Malaysia, from committing such an UNFORGIVABLE act of harming the health and safety of OVER ONE THOUSAND LITTLE SCHOOL CHILDREN by constructing, and soon to be operating, a gas station RIGHT NEXT DOOR to an elementary school, where the school children are getting their education. In the matter of fact, I truly need all the help I can get. If you can write to the people in charge of Shell Oil Company in your country, and Shell's world headquarter in Holland, demanding that they STOP the construction of the gas station their Malaysian subsidiary is building NEXT DOOR TO AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, I would be VERY GRATEFUL ! If you can think of ANY IDEA you can share, please, PLEASE CC. me a copy at lisse@saintmail.net, because I am not usually subscribing to this newsgroup. I thank any and all of you for any help you can offer. Thank you, Merci, Gracias, Danke ! Most sincerely, Lisa lisse@saintmail.net In article , "Graham Caswell" wrote: > Hi Lisa, > > Despite being globally branded, each national Shell company is a seperate > legal entity, being linked through the 'Royal Dutch/Shell Group'. > > You can reach Shell International Ltd. (whatever THEIR 'legal status' is!) > at the following address: > > Shell International Ltd. > Shell Centre, > London > SE1 7NA > UK > > Shell Malaysia Ltd can be reached at the following contact details: > > Shell Malaysia Ltd > P.O. Box 11027 > Kuala Lumpur 50732 > Malaysia > > Phone: +60 3 255 9144 > Fax: +60 3 251 2957 > > However, there are another half a dozen companies trading under the 'Shell > Oil' banner in Malaysia. A list of these can be found at > http://www.shell.com/world/country/0,1452,1454,00.html > > Shell are currently in the midst of a marketing campaign that they are > calling 'The Profits and Principals Debate', (is that Profits VS Principals > debate, I wonder?) This is an attempt to rehabilitate their brand's > environmental image (tarnished after Brent Spar, the Nigerian disasters, > etc). You can read about Shell's declared values and principals at > http://www.shell.com/values/directory/0,1224,1043,00.html . I myself find > it very difficult to seriously listen to talk of 'values' from those who > push oil in a world of climate change. > > Finally, are there no planning regulations in Malaysia? Is their no way of > legally/officially objecting to this decision? Can the parents be > mobalised/organised? Can the school staff, or even the kids do something. > With a good media and press release strategy, a few hundred school children > doing something interesting in protest would make a great newspaper or TV > filler. > > Congradulations on standing up to whatever group or individual is behind the > 'development'. > Good luck > > Graham Caswell > caswell@indigo.ie > > Lisa wrote in message <84u51j$rpg$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... > >Hello to all. > > > >I need your help in finding information about Dutch environmental > >groups. > > > >I am from Malaysia, a third world country, and recently the Shell oil > >company in Malaysia is constructing a petrol station right next door to > >a primary school building that houses over ONE THOUSAND little school > >children. > > > >I find that act irresponsible and in total disregard to the safety and > >health of the school children, but unfortunately, in Malaysia, there is > >NO LAW prohibiting oil companies like Shell in erecting (and operating) > >petrol station right next door to highly populated area like school > >buildings or shopping malls. > > > >I have tried to contact Shell's subsidiary in Malaysia, but so far they > >have stonewalled me. On the government side, since there is NO LAW > >against Shell (and all other oil companies) in having petrol stations > >right next to school buildings, they (the government of Malaysia) has no > >legal ground to stop the construction of the petrol station that I have > >mentioned above. > > > >Since Shell's subsidiary in Malaysia is not respond to my plea, I am > >thinking of getting help from environmental groups in Holland to put > >pressure on Shell Oil Company's headquarter, which is located in > >Holland, and perhaps that may get their subsidiary in Malaysia to heed > >my plea. > > > >It is very possible that the Shell Oil's headquarter in Holland isn't > >aware of what their subsidiary in Malaysia is doing, but I have also > >sent emails to Shell's website at shell.com, but so far I have received > >NO REPLY. > > > >If you know of the name, address, contact numbers, web-address and > >email-addresses of environmental groups in Holland, I shall be extremely > >grateful if you can send me the information. > > > >If you reply to this message, would you mind CC: me a copy, [ > >lisse@saintmail.net ], because I do not usually subscribe to this > >newsgroup. > > > >Thank you for reading, and thank you for your help !!! > > > > > >Most sincerely, > >Lisa > >lisse@saintmail.net > > > > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > >Before you buy. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. 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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 14:26:29 -0600 Organization: O'Donnell & Associates http://home.att.net/~dodonnell/odonnell.html Lines: 381 Message-ID: <387B91F5.B76947CD@worldnet.att.net> References: <84u51j$rpg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8579gn$eia$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: dodonnell@worldnet.att.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 947622506 23826 12.74.69.207 (11 Jan 2000 20:28:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-WNS5.0 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: pop-bio@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sender: owner-pop-bio@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Lisa, Have you considered becoming President of the United States and asking their government officials to come sleep in the Lincoln bedroom? If I'm not mistaken-big assumption here-the current resident of the office did just that...and we all know how much he cares "for the children", now don't we...dod Lisa wrote: > > Dear Graham, > > Thank you for replying. > > Let me answer your last question first - Yes, _officially_ there are > supposed to be "regulations", including "PLANNING REGULATIONS", - but > Graham, please bear in mind the following two things: > > 1. Malaysia is a Third World Country > > 2. Malaysia is one of the MOST CORRUPTED country in the world > > - corruption is EVERYWHERE, straight from the TOP LEVEL > of the Malaysian government, down to lowly "regulation > enforcers". > > The people here are essentially POWERLESS to do anything, because A. The > government has the backing of the military and secret police, and they > are not afraid of using terror to scare the people back in line, and B. > The so called "DEMOCRACY" is a joke. The so called "ELECTION" was filled > with frauds, with over SIX HUNDRED THOUSANDS voters found themselves NOT > ALLOWED TO VOTE, because of "technicalities", and ballot-box stuffings > happened almost everywhere. > > So to answer your question "Are there no planning regulations in > Malaysia ?" the answer is Yes, but they were NEVER implemented. People > can get around with _ANY_ regulation if they STUFF MONEY into the pocket > of the officers in charged of enforcing the "regulations". > > Shell Malaysia is OVERFLOWING with MONEY. In fact, Shell Malaysia > commands THE LARGEST SHARE of Malaysia's petroleum (gasoline) market. I > do NOT want to make any baseless accusation here, but it isn't that hard > to imagine Shell not using some of their overflowing pot of gold to > fatten up some officers in charge of safety regulations and planning > regulations. After all, one more Shell station up is ONE MORE MONEY > MAKING MACHINE for Shell Oil Company. > > Who cares about the safety and health of ANYBODY when MONEY is > everything? > > To answer your question "Is their no way of legally/officially objecting > to this decision?" my answer is this - If I am RICHER than Shell Oil > Company, there will be MANY WAYS for me. But unfortunately, I am NOT > THAT RICH ! > > You see, the court system in Malaysia is corrupted as well. Even if I > sue Shell Malaysia, they can throw my case out, AND THEN get the court > to impose a HEFTY PENALTY on me, for "ruining the reputation of Shell > Malaysia". > > There _had_ been precendents before. In Malaysia, there had been cases > of individuals making some remarks regarding some wealthy bigshots > and/or big conglomerates, and the individuals ended up having FINED by > the Malaysian court for MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR DAMAGES for "damaging the > reputations" of those bigshots / businesses. I have to add that Shell > Malaysia so far hasn't done this kind of thing yet, but that doesn't > mean they will NOT do it, right? > > To answer your question "Can the parents be mobalised/organised?" my > answer is First, I have to find ways to EDUCATE the parents. Most of the > Malaysians are NOT THAT WELL EDUCATED. Most of them don't know the TRUE > DANGER for so many things. > > You will be amazed (or TERRIFIED) with the way Malaysians doing things. > There are SO MANY TIMES I have witnessed people SMOKING CIGARETTES WHILE > PUMPING GAS, and even with EXPLOSIONS of gas stations (yes, there HAD > BEEN SEVERAL EXPLOSIONS of gas stations in Malaysia !!) most people here > still have much difficulties to understand the connection of SMOKING > INSIDE GAS STATIONS and the EXPLOSIONS of gas stations ! > > I know, it _IS_ very frustrating at times, when I think about things > like this. > > One of the easiest way to educate the parents is by printing leaflets > outlining the DANGERS of gas stations, and even the VERY ACT of printing > leaflets can get you trouble (LEGALLY) in Malaysia. > > You see, in Malaysia, there are lots of DRACONIAN LAWS in the book. One > of the draconian law is the PRINTING ACT - that is, if you print > something the government doesn't like, they can LEGALLY CHARGE YOU in > the court, with trumped up charges. > > So what can I do? Sincerely I do not know. > > That is why I come online, to the internet, SEEKING IDEAS and HELPS from > anyone who are willing to offer tips or whatever help they can offer. > > I have to stress that I am NOT anti-Shell, or anti-ANYTHING. > > The only thing I am trying to do is to CLOSE DOWN A SHELL GAS STATION > that the SHELL MALAYSIA is building NEXT DOOR TO AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL > which has OVER ONE THOUSAND STUDENTS currently studying there ! > > I have written to Shell Malaysia, I have called them up, I have faxed > them, I have tried EVERYTHING to contact them, but they (Shell Malaysia) > has so far VERY SUCCESSFUL in NOT REPLYING. They have IGNORED ALL MY > APPEAL, and they are deteremined to GET THAT GAS STATION (in final phase > of completion) in OPERATION. > > I do not know what you call it in the UK or elsewhere, but over here, I > call it EVIL. > > Anyone willing to sacrify the SAFETY and HEALTH of OVER ONE THOUSAND > SMALL CHILDREN for money are NOT good people. > > To me, NO AMOUNT OF MONEY can buy the health and safety of small > children. THE CHILDREN'S LIVES ARE NOT FOR SALE, but so far, Shell > Malaysia seems to think that there _IS_ a price tag on the lives of > small children in Malaysia, and to them, the price tag MUST BE SMALL, > because they totally DISREGARD the lives of OVER ONE THOUSAND LITTLE > CHILDREN for just ONE LOUSY GAS STATION ! > > To answer your question "Can the school staff, or even the kids do > something?" my answer is the school staffs have the SAME LEVEL of > EDUCATION as most of the Malaysian people - that is to say, NOT MUCH. > > And the kids? If their parents aren't aware of ANYTHING, who am I to > tell the kids that their parents are IGNORANT ? > > This sounds VERY HOPELESS, isn't it? > > But I am NOT giving up. I STEADFASTLY REFUSE to give up, because I think > what I am trying to do is RIGHT. I am STILL TRYING TO FIND WAYS, and IF > ANYONE OF YOU CAN OFFER ANY HELP, PLEASE HELP. > > Someone once told me that there may be environmental groups in Holland > that may be able to put some pressure on Shell Oil's World Headquarter > in Holland. I have sent an email to the Green Peace group in Holland > three days ago, and so far, I have NOT received any reply from them. I > hope they will reply me. > > And in the meantime, if you, or ANYONE YOU KNOW, know of any group of > people, inside or outside of Holland who may know how to put pressure on > Shell Oil Company, please get them to contact me. I sure would very much > need the help from ANYONE willing to help me. > > I know, I know, I am sounding like a crusader, but I am NOT a crusader. > I am only a simple person, in my twenties, just finished my education > from the United States, and working for a small company in Malaysia. > > Am I alone in my concern? I do not think so. > > Four days ago, some one wrote a "Letter to the Editor" to a local > newspaper "The Star" pointing out the danger of having a petrol station > beside heavily populated area. Apparently the person was refering to the > SAME SCHOOL I am concerned with. I have contacted the paper, trying to > find out who was it who wrote that "Letter to the Editor", hoping that > perhaps I can join forces with that person. > > Unfortunately the newspaper did not keep any record of who sent them > what. So I am back to square one, trying to deal with this matter on my > own. > > Anyway, here is the re-hashed blurb of what is going on: > > Shell Malaysia, a subsidiary of Shell Oil Company, in Malaysia, is > constructing a new gas station NEXT DOOR to an elementary school, which > has OVER ONE THOUSAND LITTLE SCHOOL CHILDREN in attendance. > > The gas station is in its final stage of completion, and I expect it > will be operational in one or two weeks' time. > > The elementary school's name is Sekolah Rendah Jenis Kebangsaan (Cina) > Sin Kang, or in short form, S.R.J.K (C) Sin Kang, and it is located at > Thean Tek Road, in Bandar Baru Ayer Itam, (the locals here call the > place "Farlim"), in the state of Penang, Malaysia. > > What I am trying to do is to prevent the gas station from being > operational, because I am aware of the danger of explosion of gas > station, which may kill many of the little school children studying in > the school building RIGHT NEXT DOOR, and in Malaysia, gas stations _had_ > exploded before, because of poor safety practices and non-existence of > safety-regulation enforcement in Malaysia. > > I am also worried about the health of the young school children, over > one thousand of them, because their school building is ONLY 10 METERS > AWAY from the gas station. > > The chemical Benzene, which is HIGHLY TOXIC and also a proven CARCINOGEN > to human beings, is present in gasoline. The boiling point of Benzene is > 27 degree Celcius (80 degree Fehrenheit) and Penang is in the TROPICAL > CLIMATE, which means, ALL YEAR LONG, the temperature reaches ABOVE 27 > degree Celcius, - reaches as high as 35 degrees on some days -, which > means, for the school children, EVERY SCHOOL DAY they have to breathe in > Benzene fumes generated by the gasoline station RIGHT NEXT DOOR, and if > you multiply up to EIGHT HOURS per school day the children have to spend > at the school, by the over 280 days per year, AND by the SIX YEARS it > takes an elementary school children to graduate from the elementary > school, we get an alarming result of 13,440 HOURS of BENZENE > INTOXICATION for each and every of the OVER ONE THOUSAND school > children. > > With enough concentration, Benzene has proven to be able to kill A FULL > GROWN ADULT HUMAN BEING in FIVE MINUTES, and we are talking about having > over one thousand school children being subjected to inhaling Benzene > fumes for over THIRTEEN THOUSANDS, FOUR HUNDRED AND FOURTY HOURS ! > > Let me ask any of you this: Is this reasonable? > > Is it reasonable for The Shell Oil Company to subject over one thousand > little school children for such AGONY, just because they want to make > more money? > > If you think it is NOT reasonable, I am inviting you to help out. > > Please tell me what to do. I am almost out of idea of what actually I > can do. > > If you know of any environmental groups in Holland, please give me their > contact addresses, names, telephone numbers, website addresses, email > addresses, everything that you have, because I am thinking that perhaps > I can enlist the help of Holland's environmental group into pressuring > Shell Oil Company's World Headquarters, which is located in Holland, to > stop their subsidiary in Malaysia, Shell Malaysia, from committing such > an UNFORGIVABLE act of harming the health and safety of OVER ONE > THOUSAND LITTLE SCHOOL CHILDREN by constructing, and soon to be > operating, a gas station RIGHT NEXT DOOR to an elementary school, where > the school children are getting their education. > > In the matter of fact, I truly need all the help I can get. > > If you can write to the people in charge of Shell Oil Company in your > country, and Shell's world headquarter in Holland, demanding that they > STOP the construction of the gas station their Malaysian subsidiary is > building NEXT DOOR TO AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, I would be VERY GRATEFUL ! > > If you can think of ANY IDEA you can share, please, PLEASE CC. me a copy > at lisse@saintmail.net, because I am not usually subscribing to this > newsgroup. > > I thank any and all of you for any help you can offer. > > Thank you, Merci, Gracias, Danke ! > > Most sincerely, > Lisa > lisse@saintmail.net > > In article , "Graham Caswell" > wrote: > > > Hi Lisa, > > > > Despite being globally branded, each national Shell company is a > seperate > > legal entity, being linked through the 'Royal Dutch/Shell Group'. > > > > You can reach Shell International Ltd. (whatever THEIR 'legal status' > is!) > > at the following address: > > > > Shell International Ltd. > > Shell Centre, > > London > > SE1 7NA > > UK > > > > Shell Malaysia Ltd can be reached at the following contact details: > > > > Shell Malaysia Ltd > > P.O. Box 11027 > > Kuala Lumpur 50732 > > Malaysia > > > > Phone: +60 3 255 9144 > > Fax: +60 3 251 2957 > > > > However, there are another half a dozen companies trading under the > 'Shell > > Oil' banner in Malaysia. A list of these can be found at > > http://www.shell.com/world/country/0,1452,1454,00.html > > > > Shell are currently in the midst of a marketing campaign that they are > > calling 'The Profits and Principals Debate', (is that Profits VS > Principals > > debate, I wonder?) This is an attempt to rehabilitate their brand's > > environmental image (tarnished after Brent Spar, the Nigerian > disasters, > > etc). You can read about Shell's declared values and principals at > > http://www.shell.com/values/directory/0,1224,1043,00.html . I myself > find > > it very difficult to seriously listen to talk of 'values' from those > who > > push oil in a world of climate change. > > > > Finally, are there no planning regulations in Malaysia? Is their no > way of > > legally/officially objecting to this decision? Can the parents be > > mobalised/organised? Can the school staff, or even the kids do > something. > > With a good media and press release strategy, a few hundred school > children > > doing something interesting in protest would make a great newspaper or > TV > > filler. > > > > Congradulations on standing up to whatever group or individual is > behind the > > 'development'. > > Good luck > > > > Graham Caswell > > caswell@indigo.ie > > > > Lisa wrote in message <84u51j$rpg$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... > > >Hello to all. > > > > > >I need your help in finding information about Dutch environmental > > >groups. > > > > > >I am from Malaysia, a third world country, and recently the Shell oil > > >company in Malaysia is constructing a petrol station right next door > to > > >a primary school building that houses over ONE THOUSAND little school > > >children. > > > > > >I find that act irresponsible and in total disregard to the safety > and > > >health of the school children, but unfortunately, in Malaysia, there > is > > >NO LAW prohibiting oil companies like Shell in erecting (and > operating) > > >petrol station right next door to highly populated area like school > > >buildings or shopping malls. > > > > > >I have tried to contact Shell's subsidiary in Malaysia, but so far > they > > >have stonewalled me. On the government side, since there is NO LAW > > >against Shell (and all other oil companies) in having petrol stations > > >right next to school buildings, they (the government of Malaysia) has > no > > >legal ground to stop the construction of the petrol station that I > have > > >mentioned above. > > > > > >Since Shell's subsidiary in Malaysia is not respond to my plea, I am > > >thinking of getting help from environmental groups in Holland to put > > >pressure on Shell Oil Company's headquarter, which is located in > > >Holland, and perhaps that may get their subsidiary in Malaysia to > heed > > >my plea. > > > > > >It is very possible that the Shell Oil's headquarter in Holland isn't > > >aware of what their subsidiary in Malaysia is doing, but I have also > > >sent emails to Shell's website at shell.com, but so far I have > received > > >NO REPLY. > > > > > >If you know of the name, address, contact numbers, web-address and > > >email-addresses of environmental groups in Holland, I shall be > extremely > > >grateful if you can send me the information. > > > > > >If you reply to this message, would you mind CC: me a copy, [ > > >lisse@saintmail.net ], because I do not usually subscribe to this > > >newsgroup. > > > > > >Thank you for reading, and thank you for your help !!! > > > > > > > > >Most sincerely, > > >Lisa > > >lisse@saintmail.net > > > > > > > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > >Before you buy. > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. From owner-pop-bio@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Thu Jan 13 16:00:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 110) id E2F7A17A69; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 16:00:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (niobium [193.62.192.41]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01199 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 16:00:36 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) id QAA15832 for pop-bio-list@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 16:00:35 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk: news set sender to using -f From: "Greg Dwyer" X-Newsgroups: bionet.population-bio Subject: Job - Population Ecology Research Technician Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:53:23 -0600 Organization: University of Notre Dame Lines: 14 Message-ID: <85ksch$sjb@news.nd.edu> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 To: pop-bio@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sender: owner-pop-bio@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello list recipients, Please follow the link below and read Job Number: 9004-390 to learn about an exciting research employment opportunity in ecology at the University of Notre Dame. http://www.nd.edu/~hr/postlist.htm#TECHNICAL Please respond directly to Dr. Greg Dwyer at: gdwyer@nd.edu From owner-pop-bio@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Tue Jan 18 22:55:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 110) id DC59B17B3F; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 22:55:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (niobium [193.62.192.41]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18113 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 22:55:30 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) id WAA09872 for pop-bio-list@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 22:55:28 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk: news set sender to using -f From: "ariel catane" X-Newsgroups: bionet.population-bio Subject: MultiQTL - The best genetic QTL mapping software - FREE Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 00:31:38 +0200 Organization: Internet Gold, ISRAEL Lines: 32 Message-ID: <862pub$gq$1@news2.inter.net.il> X-Trace: news2.inter.net.il 948235019 538 213.8.13.120 (18 Jan 2000 22:36:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@inter.net.il X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 To: pop-bio@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sender: owner-pop-bio@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Precedence: bulk MultiQTL - The best QTL mapping software! 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Thank you, MultiQTL Ltd. korol@multiqtl.com From owner-pop-bio@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Wed Jan 19 18:44:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 110) id 6D28217A61; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:44:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (niobium [193.62.192.41]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07727 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:44:45 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) id SAA24582 for pop-bio-list@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:44:44 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk: news set sender to using -f From: abelard X-Newsgroups: alt.skincare,alt.skinheads,alt.support.skin-diseases,sci.skeptic,uk.politics.misc,bionet.population-bio Subject: Re: FAO Mrs. Thompson: vitamin D bunkum debunked Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 19:43:18 +0000 Organization: abelard.org Lines: 496 Message-ID: <3r4c8s8ftvua3kdv42f415d79r1jq82l8g@4ax.com> References: <860fu2$jru$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 948307499 6744 212.155.33.92 (19 Jan 2000 18:44:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 To: pop-bio@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sender: owner-pop-bio@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Precedence: bulk On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 01:29:13 -0000, "Honest Aryan" wrote: >"Question: How is it that in some human populations > homozygous recessive genes have replaced the > homozygous dominant genes of their ancestors for > outward physical appearance? > > As far back as 1950 geneticist William Boyd listed > about 20 gene loci for outward appearance traits that > are homozygous recessive for typical Asians and/or > Europeans but are homozygous dominant for Africans. > These recessive genes include the 6 to 8 gene loci for > light skin color, the genes for blue eyes, gray eyes, 6....or 8? i don't know from where you copied this.... but it is sloppy....it is also larded with distracting rhetoric. i am no geneticist....i would like far better detail on this claim....including cites and numbers of skin 'colours' it implies.... + how much these variants would be expected to be shifted by environmental factors.... one group added.... to members of sci.bio.evolution... i am posting from upm.....we have several 'racists' to deal with....this is a reply to one of them..... i am a specialist in communication logic.... i am not a specialist in genetics or statistics although i can follow what i need to...i have considerable knowledge of 'intelligence', plenty on animal behaviour, and basics on evolutionary concepts ...... i would appreciate some backup to deal with this poster. i will happily deal with the areas where i am fluent.... note to self (alt.bio.technology bionet.general bionet.genome.gene.structure bionet.population-bio) note off... > blond hair, red hair, thin lips, straight hair, sacral > spot, lack of facial hair (beards), narrow nose shape, > and some others. > > Famed academicians J.B.S. Haldane (who published in > 1924), R.A. Fisher, and S. Wright all helped to develop > the mathematical approaches to population genetics in > regard to selection and proved (among many other things) > that it would require 1,001,741 generations (i.e. about > 25,000,000 years for humans) for a dominant autosomal > gene pair to be entirely replaced naturally by a new > recessive gene pair in an ideal population (going from > a gene frequency of 0.01% to 99.99%) if the improved > selective advantage were 1 percent greater per > generation (which is a fairly large advantage) for > the new recessive genetic trait over the old dominant > genetic trait, but the Euro/Asian line of humans split > from the African line approximately a mere 100,000 years > ago, and we must account for about 20 different recessive > gene loci for appearance, not just one. > > The mechanisms of genetic drift (including founder > effect), migration, and gene flow have all been invoked > to explain the rapid genetic change observed in small > populations of early humans, but as an explanation for > the observed changes in outward human racial appearance > such reasoning is strained. The outward appearances of > Euro/Asians seem to have very small, if any, actual > advantages in regard to natural selection over that > specified by the replaced African genes, but clearly > some extraordinarily strong selective mechanism has > been at work. > > A partial solution to the problem of how the various > races of man came to appear outwardly as they do now > was proposed in 1931 by scientist and writer Sir Arthur > Keith who pointed out that tribal isolation and the > human predisposition for conflict, competition, and > warfare against those who appear to be different from > our own tribe (i.e. "instinctive prejudice") was most > likely the cause, in that driving away or killing people > with certain genes very quickly reduces the frequency of > those genes in a population, but by the post-war 1950's > such thinking had become politically unacceptable, as > shown by Boyd's firm rejection of the idea -although he > at least took the time to discuss the hypothesis at length > in his famous 1950 book "Genetics and the Races of Man", > which in many ways the model for L. Luca Cavalli-Sforza's > "History and Geography of Human Genes" (1994). We may > dislike Robert Ardrey's famous assertion that we are > all "killer apes" at heart (African Genesis, 1961), > and the solid support for that thesis supplied by > Konrad Lorenz and Raymond Dart, but everything in our > horrifying history of continual warfare from the Great > Wall of China to the Holocaust attests to our inherently > xenophobic nature. stranger-phobia is common in animals.... > The racial appearance puzzle is avoided in most > evolution classes today by invoking Loomis' 1967 > hypothesis that light skin color among Europeans and > Asians exists because these populations could not get > enough sunlight to stimulate sufficient vitamin D > production in their skin in those terribly dark > Northern continents of Europe and Asia. Although this > theory has never been well supported by factual inquiry, > it has been repeated so often and it is so politically > comfortable that it has become enshrined as an > indisputable fact in the minds of many casual students > of evolution. In reality numerous valid objections > have been raised to the vitamin D theory of light > skin color: > > 1) It cannot satisfactorily explain the evolution > of the many other appearance genes that are also > autosomal recessives (such as for blue eyes, > and blond hair, and several others) that seemingly > have no significant natural selective advantage, > > 2) a small patch of the darkest African skin > can produce more than the required amount of > vitamin D from only a few minutes of exposure > to faint sunlight each day (indeed, the Lapps live > in arctic latitudes and are rather dark skinned), > and in any event most of the vast land mass of > Europe and Asia has been found to be quite sunny, > > 3) of the 6 to 8 gene pairs for skin color all of > the genes for light skin color are recessive to > those for dark skin color; for all the dominant > genes for dark skin color to be replaced by > recessive genes for light skin color would require > an intensely strong selection advantage operating > for many millions of years, but man left Africa > only 100,000 years ago and the natural selective > pressure for light skin over dark would be small > at best and therefore too slowly acting to fit the > time frame, > > 4) light skin color is a probably actually natural > selective disadvantage at any latitude because > sunlight causes skin cancer and may result in severe > debilitating sunburn for those with white skin, > > 5) `white skin color has a strong peak only in > Northern Europe and not in other parts of the > world' (this is a quote by Cavalli-Sforza in his > book "History and Geography of Human Genes" mentioned > above as he discusses the problem with the vitamin > D explanation for skin color invoking world > pigmentation intensity maps drawn by Carleton Coon > in 1954). Cavalli-Sforza also suggests the very > light skin color of Northern Europeans may have > appeared as recently as 5,000 years ago, a time so > recent that no natural selection process could > possibly account for it. > > What about "sexual selection"? Often it has been > proposed as the reason that racial differences exist, > not to mention blue eyed blond women, neonate attractivity has been suggested. > but such white > skinned women are regarded as hideous and repulsive by > New Guinea tribesmen. Beauty is a relative concept and > it is indeed a racist attitude to assume one type of > human is inherently more beautiful than another, rather > our individual concepts of human sexual attractiveness > appear to be synonymous with people that appear to be > similar to our set of internalized norms as imprinted > in our childhood years- i.e. we generally find those > not of our "tribe" less attractive than those people > who more closely resemble us *and* those that we are *used* to.... >(there are always exceptions > of course- some degree outbreeding is surely advantageous > at times for a tribe of humans). > > Darwin, in his 1871 book "The Descent of Man, and > Selection in Relation to Sex" asserted that racial > appearance differentiation in humans was due to what > he called "sexual selection", but a close reading of > that book shows that for humans he regarded conflict > and warfare (including genocide) as part of "sexual > selection", a term he actually used for anything other > than "natural selection", the other of his two > selection mechanisms. Hence Sir Keith's 1931 idea on > how the different races came to appear the way they do > today really originated with Darwin, and Darwin's > intuitive genius has been proven to be correct from > what we now know about the genetics controlling human > appearance. > > Three other interesting factors affecting human > appearance must be considered: 1) climate, 2) neoteny, > and 3) intelligence. All of these factors must be > considered in conjunction with tribal conflict in order > to fully understand how we came to appear the way we > do, and it must be understood that these factors are > overlayed on a tapestry of genetic drift, founder > effect, migration, gene flow, and geographic isolation. > > 1. Climate surely has played a factor in the initial > development of several appearance traits, although > it cannot account for strong selective pressure > required for such rapid gene frequency change. For > example, a narrow nose, epicanthal eye fold, > straight hair, and thin lips are surely advantageous > in a cold climate to warm the air we breathe, > protect eyes form freezing winds, keep heads warm, > and to prevent frozen lips, but blue eyes are a > disadvantage in a dazzlingly sunny snow covered > terrain, the long ears of Europeans are more prone > to frostbite than are the short compact ears of > most Africans, and lack of facial hair in the people > of frigid Northeast Asia is certainly impractical, > hence climate fails to explain neither the origin > nor the rapid spread of some human appearance > features. > > 2. Neoteny has been written about by Kollman > (inventor of the term), Bolk, Portmann, and Gould. > Louis Bolk best stated the case in 1926 with this > famous line: "man is a primate fetus that has > become sexually mature". The human fetal growth > rate period actually lasts about 22 months - at > birth we are simply an extrauterine fetus at the > 9 month stage with our brain still growing at the > rapid fetal rate, thus did nature solve the birth > canal bottleneck problem for producing big brained > humans. A series of increasingly neotenic mutations > probably account for mechanism of the amazing 4 > fold increase in hominid brain size over the past > 3 million years, and our outward appearance owes > much to this phenomenon (i.e. all adult humans > look like a huge primate fetus that can walk). It > was once acceptable to point out in textbooks that > neoteny related traits in the races of man seem to > differ, with Negroids (Africans) being the least > neotenic, Mongoloids (Asians) being the most > neotenic, and Caucasoids (Europeans) being not > quite as neotenic as Asians for several traits, > including the important what is 'important' about it? what is 'size'? if a worm had a higher brain to weight ratio, would that be 'important'? > brain to body size ratio > and in having less body hair, but more neotenic in > regard to pigmentation of hair, skin, and eyes. > The empirical support for this distinction is quite > compelling, but it has become a somewhat sensitive > subject. to who? > 3. Intelligence is surely the most controversial > factor that has influenced the different > appearance of the human races, how has 'intelligence' influenced appearance? what is a 'race'? > but any discussion > of the reasons why it has had such an influence establish that claim before attempting to build upon it.... > is > a another very sensitive undertaking. bollox. > As isolated > tribes of humans over the past 200,000 years > naturally attempted to expand they inevitably came > into conflict with neighboring tribes. For humans > and other hominids the most valuable genetic > selective trait in such conflicts was probably a > higher level of intelligence, establish that extremely dubious contention..... > for that is what > generally determined the winner, although many > other factors (such as disease resistance) played > a role as well. An advantage in intelligence often > allowed an ancient tribe to achieve a higher level > of population density, better strategy and tactics > for warfare and hunting, the overwhelming sum of your knowledge is inherited technology.....bow and arrow are useless against machine guns... where is the 'intelligence' factor for the common soldier? show in detail how tribal warfare outcome is related to a localised genetic pool..... why not to greater numbers....luck...surprise...an able leader....a better spear...a stronger thrower...etc... > and greater levels of > altruism and social adhesion within their group. > Although, as mentioned above, neoteny related > mutations were the genetic mechanism for the > amazing 4 fold increase in hominid brain size over > the past 3 million years, the value of intelligence > for survival and tribal success was the driving > evolutionary selection force and continued to be > so until the recent advent of civilization. evolution is slow...and it operates through individuals.... not groups.... tribes interact....females tend to go to other tribes..... i see no apparent sense or force in this 'thesis..... > Preserving the intellectual advantage of a successfully > expanding tribe is a difficult problem however, because > interbreeding with a tribe a lesser intelligence dilutes > and decreases the genetic advantage of the advantged > expanding tribe, thus eventually ending the expansion. > The solutions for this problem have always ranged from > genocide to ethnic cleansing, but being able to visually > identify the genetic heritage of offspring to exclude > offspring resulting from intertribal matings was always > of great value to a genetically advantaged expanding > tribe, allowing for continued expansion until the > tribe were to encounter a more genetically advantaged > tribe (i.e., generally meaning more intelligent) or > some substantial geographical barrier. explain the european invasion of the americas according to this 'thesis'...original americans have obtained phds and are quite capable of operating machine guns.... >That is why > autosomal recessive genes for outward physical > appearance have an advantage over dominant genes in a > genetically advantaged tribe: you are assuming what you are supposedly setting out to establish....you have made zero progress in establishing 'your' thesis' afaiaconcerned.... > the introduction of a > non-tribal dominant gene can be easily visually > detected in offspring thus enabling exclusion methods > to operate and therefore keeping the tribes' genetic > lineage from being diluted. there are large variations in the appearances of members of tribes....explain..... > Example: for a child to have blue eyes, the recessive > genes for blue eyes must be inherited from both parents. > A child with darker eyes would immediately be > recognized as non-tribal in a blue eyed tribe. The > child could possibly be exiled (and in some cases > could be killed) by an ancient blue eyed expanding > tribe, thus preserving the genetic integrity of the > tribe. This example may seem totally absurd in today's > civilized world, but human racial evolution goes back > at least 200,000 years, long before civilized human > behavior developed. If eye color discrimination seem > too far fetched however, consider skin color. As > recently as 100 years ago the birth of a dark skinned > child to a white woman typically resulted in ostracism > by her displeased family, and sometimes infanticide was > committed. The other recessive appearance traits of > present day Europeans and Asians were most likely evidence please.... > at > one time also used in a similar manner for tribal > identification in order to account for their modern > day geographic gene frequency distributions. > > Eventually multiple traits (i.e. white skin blue eyed > blondes for one example, although there are many others) > were used for tribal identification in ever increasing > rounds of conflict among tribes. Perhaps perhaps?...perhaps a pig can fly.... > the most > efficient trait for tribal identification is skin color, > in that a polygenic system (6 to 8 gene pairs are > involved) of recessive genes for light skin enables > the visual identification of mixed tribe offspring having > only a small amount of dark skinned dominant genetic > racial ancestry - octoroons are thus revealed by the > skin color system whereas they would not be detected > very often in a single gene system such as eye color. > The uniform of skin color was no doubt used by the > warriors of conflicting tribes in much the same way as > modern day military uniforms are used to distinguish > opposing armies oh...i see fritz over there in that trench...now let me see ...what uniform is he wearing?...ah....he is a hun.... i'd better shoot him.... ever heard of collateral damage....? do you have any awareness of battle realities? > - then as now individuals wearing the > uniform of the defeated group could be identified and > dealt with accordingly by the victors. moonshine....oh fuck, he tanned himself...and i speared him by mistake.... what is the average number in a tribe....? how many humans can the average human know casually? > As an overall consequence, tribes or races that have > successfully expanded and displaced other tribes or > races are likely to be characterized both by 1) genes > for appearance that are homozygous recessive to the > corresponding genes of the displaced tribe or race and > 2) by the trait that gave the successful tribe the > winning advantage over the displaced tribe. In the > past 200,000 years of tribal conflict among humans > (the past 3,000,000 years for all hominids) the trait > conferring the winning advantage has most often been a > higher level of intelligence, when did you do this 'research' brains? > but at times it has also > been disease resistance, aggressiveness, numerical > advantage, technological superiority, and a variety > of other differences. Nevertheless the role of > intelligence in this matter should not be underestimated; i am sure you won't do that..... perhaps you will define 'intelligence'...just so i know what you are babbling about... > the fossil record of dramatic hominid cranial capacity > increase supports the point quite convincingly, as do > differences in the average IQs of present day racial > groups. you wish....prove it brains...... ever heard of the flynn effect? > Geographical limits eventually stopped the expansions > of the Europeans and the Asians (along with overall > stalemate at their points of mutual contact), and the > Sahara Desert protected the remaining Africans from > further encroachment by the Euro/Asians, thus resulting > in the distribution of the three major races as found > in modern times. surely 7 is a better magic number than 3.... > Lastly, the coming of civilization and the reduction > of the significance of geographical barriers have made > the world a vast breeding pool into which the entire > genetic variance of humanity is supposedly slowly > blending - for all 100.000 gene loci, not just those > coding for our appearance. All of us are genetic blends > to some extent, and our varied appearances demonstrate > the point well. > > And that, very briefly and admittedly incompletely, wow! you don't say.... > is > why the human races look the way they do today." well i never....now please...please....just start to make a case..... there is evidence that square faced people are at a breeding disadvantage over oval faced in central europe.... are oval faced people brighter....or are they just more sexually attractive to local tastes....? gentlemen prefer blondes....blondes have more fun.... are blondes brighter? (please type slowly....i'm a blonde) web site at www.abelard.org - new doc on the efficacy of prayer. ..also education, logic and emu....over 100 doc. requests daily -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- all that is necessary for I walk quietly and carry the triumph of evil is that I a big stick. good people do nothing I trust actions not words only when it's funny -- roger rabbit ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pop-bio@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Thu Jan 20 04:35:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 110) id B8BC217A7D; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 04:35:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (niobium [193.62.192.41]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA20486 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 04:35:17 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) id EAA09989 for pop-bio-list@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 04:35:16 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk: news set sender to using -f From: "Larissa Bailey" X-Newsgroups: bionet.population-bio Subject: technician announcement Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 14:03:06 -0500 Organization: NC State University Lines: 39 Message-ID: <86528d$845$2@uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu> X-Trace: uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu 948309069 8325 152.1.106.139 (19 Jan 2000 19:11:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@unity.ncsu.edu X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 To: pop-bio@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sender: owner-pop-bio@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Now Hiring Field Assistants For Salamander Study In Great Smoky Mountains National Park North Carolina State University is recruiting technicians to study terrestrial salamander population monitoring techniques and salamander abundance, distribution, and habitat associations in Great Smoky Mountains National Park from mid-March through June 2000. Field assistants will be responsible for species identification and for collecting data on salamander abundance and related environmental variables. Application Deadline: February 18, 2000 Applicant Notification: March 3, 2000 Requirements: Recent undergraduates, master's students and persons with previous field experience are encouraged to apply. Because the research is physically demanding, technicians must be in good physical condition and willing to work under adverse weather conditions and at night. Applicants should be highly-motivated, work well in a team-setting, and enjoy working outdoors. Housing is provided for successful applicants. Please send a resume with a list of 3 references including relation to applicant, address, phone numbers, and e-mail to: Ted Simons Cooperative Fish and Wildlife Research Unit Box 7617, North Carolina State University Raleigh, North Carolina 27695-7617 919-515-2689 919-515-5327 If you have questions concerning the positions please email Larissa Bailey at llbailey@unity.ncsu.edu. From owner-pop-bio@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Thu Jan 20 22:04:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 110) id 4CE1F17AFD; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 22:04:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (niobium [193.62.192.41]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13143 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 22:04:56 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) id WAA01255 for pop-bio-list@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 22:04:55 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk: news set sender to using -f From: Brian Teasdale X-Newsgroups: bionet.population-bio Subject: Microsatellie information pertaining to haploid organisms Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:04:32 -0500 Organization: unh.edu Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3887866E.AB4F417B@cisunix.unh.edu> Reply-To: teasdale@cisunix.unh.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: tabloid.unh.edu 948405891 8553 132.177.47.75 (20 Jan 2000 22:04:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@tabloid.unh.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en To: pop-bio@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sender: owner-pop-bio@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear colleagues, I am looking for references or people that have done work with haploid tissue using microsatellites. I am looking to use develop microsatellites for an alga that is primarily found in a haploid state. Any comments on the advantages of using haploid tissue or any haploid statistical analogs would be greatly appreciated. Also, does anyone know of anyone that has tried to use microsatellites in historical phylogeography. I am not sure much is known in the rates that microsatellites evolve and so I would like to know of any thoughts in this area. Thank you for your time. 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E-mail: fvilla@b-manga.cetcol.net.co fvilla40@hotmail.com Web: http://www.antropogenetica.4mg.com ICQ: 58571765 Tel: (57)6380184 - (57)6453175 (57)6344000 ext.2354 PO Box: 678 --- From owner-pop-bio@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Thu Jan 27 09:31:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 110) id A1C3317A85; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:31:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (niobium [193.62.192.41]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10658 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:31:54 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) id JAA15602 for pop-bio-list@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:31:53 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk: news set sender to using -f From: james.o.mcinerney@may.ie (James McInerney) X-Newsgroups: bionet.population-bio Subject: Bioinformatics Summer School Date: 27 Jan 2000 09:31:52 -0000 Organization: National University of Ireland Lines: 39 Message-ID: <3890110A.86ABB104@may.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk 948965512 15600 193.62.192.80 (27 Jan 2000 09:31:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk X-Received: from ailm.may.ie (ailm.may.ie [149.157.1.20]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10637 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:31:48 GMT X-Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by ailm.may.ie (PMDF V5.1-10 #26228) id <01JL70GFV11S003BRK@ailm.may.ie> for pop-bio@net.bio.net; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:32:11 WET X-Received: from may.ie ([149.157.201.23]) by ailm.may.ie (PMDF V5.1-10 #26228) with ESMTP id <01JL70GEVNOM003BER@ailm.may.ie> for pop-bio@net.bio.net; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:32:10 +0000 (WET) X-To: pop-bio@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk X-Reply-to: james.o.mcinerney@may.ie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en To: pop-bio@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sender: owner-pop-bio@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear all, This is an announcement and call for applications for the second Annual NUIM International Bioinformatics Summer School. Following on from the success of last years school, we are pleased to announce a week-long intensive course. More information and an application form can be found at: http://www.may.ie/academic/biology/jmbioinformatics.shtml and follow the link to "Summer School 2000" If you want additional information you can email: mailto:james.o.mcinerney@may.ie?subject=Summer School 2000 or mailto:bioinformatics@ireland.com Kindest regards, James -- Dr. James O. McInerney, Dept. Biology, Dept. Zoology, Natl. Univ. Ireland, The Natural History Museum, Maynooth, and Cromwell road, Co. Kildare, Ireland London SW7 5BD, UK. Phone +353 1 708 3860 +44 171 938 9163 Fax +353 1 708 3845 +44 171 938 9158 email james.o.mcinerney@may.ie j.mcinerney@nhm.ac.uk http://www.may.ie/academic/biology/jmbioinformatics.shtml --- From owner-pop-bio@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Thu Jan 27 12:59:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 110) id C3CAC17A80; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 12:59:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (niobium [193.62.192.41]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03152 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 12:59:21 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) id MAA18275 for pop-bio-list@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 12:59:20 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk: news set sender to using -f From: Anja Subject: How match samples for isozyme analysis for one population? X-Newsgroups: bionet.population-bio Message-ID: <125a2884.e6711a74@usw-ex0110-076.remarq.com> Lines: 13 Bytes: 494 X-Originating-Host: 141.30.35.48 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here X-Wren-Trace: eHFUfH1kI2kiMGtzcT9jfW01NFR8eiVqdXRyPHtqZXEvI2A+LGEqLCg+ISw= Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 04:47:38 -0800 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon1 948977933 10.0.2.76 (Thu, 27 Jan 2000 04:58:53 PST) To: pop-bio@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sender: owner-pop-bio@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi! Iÿffffb4ll work with Nothofagus antarctica populations in Chile (Isozyme analysis, diversity) and will go to Chile in 5 weeks. I have had not enough time to study the statistic background of this problem befor. My question is how many individual trees or seeds do I have to investigate for a evidentary result? Regards Anja * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful From owner-pop-bio@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Thu Jan 27 16:40:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: by mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 110) id 3429317A6E; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 16:40:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (niobium [193.62.192.41]) by hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27189 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 16:40:35 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) id QAA21227 for pop-bio-list@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 16:40:34 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk: news set sender to using -f From: Christian Willerding X-Newsgroups: bionet.population-bio Subject: Re: How match samples for isozyme analysis for one population? Date: 27 Jan 2000 16:30:15 GMT Organization: HRZ Uni Marburg Lines: 9 Message-ID: <38907264.D8B025B7@mailer.uni-marburg.de> References: <125a2884.e6711a74@usw-ex0110-076.remarq.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW0322g (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en To: pop-bio@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Sender: owner-pop-bio@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, have just a look at this web-page. They are specialized on forest-genetics and isozymes. http://www.uni-forst.gwdg.de/forst/fg/index.htm Best wishes Christian