From owner-proteins@net.bio.net Wed Dec 01 22:00:00 1993
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From: szeinfel@FOX.CCE.USP.BR (Rafael N Szeinfeld)
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Subject: Magainin 1 (MGN 1) of X.laevis
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	Hi netters,

	Could someone direct me to some references that relates the 
structure of Magainin 1 (produced in skin glangs) of X.laevis with it 
antimicrobial activity ?
	Indeed, I tried to retrieve the sequence from swissprot in the 
hope that a reference would also be sent but I had a negative response, 
does someone know the accession number of it in any protein database ?
	Thanks in advance for your help,

Rafael Najmanovich
szeinfel@fox.cce.usp.br

From owner-proteins@net.bio.net Wed Dec 01 22:00:00 1993
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From: mcpalmie@FOX.CCE.USP.BR (Mauricio Cesar Palmieri)
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Subject: looking for proteins sequences
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Hi Netters,

I have got a protein sequence and I would like to compare it with other 
ones. Somebody there could tell me some information about how is the 
easiest manner to proceed a roughly search? (database, software, time 
required, etc).

thanks in advance!

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From: muriana@aclcb.purdue.edu (Peter M. Muriana)
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Subject: Re: Triton  _X-114
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In article <2d2pt0$cgp@mserv1.dl.ac.uk>, MJ Duggan <sgex400@sghms.lon.ac.uk> writes:
>Dear Netters,
>
>Has anybody out there used Triton-X-114 for the phase separation of 
>membrane proteins
?
Michael, I have not, but dusting off my proteins-detergent file I found the
following which may be helpful:
	"Selective release of the Treponema pallidum outer membrane and 
	associated polypeptides with Triton X114"
	Cunningham et al., J. Bact. 170: 5789, 1988

	- they used X114 to release proteins which were distributed between
	  aqueous and hydrophobic phases.

In my lab we have used Tween 80 to "float" hydrophobic peptides that 
associate with it when it flocculates into a surface pellicle in the 
presence of ammonium sulfate:
	"A highly efficient second-step concentration technique for 
	bacteriophages and enteric viruses using ammonium sulfate and 
	Tween 80"
	Armon et al., Can. J. Microbiol. 34:651, 1988

-Peter Muriana
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*  Peter M. Muriana, Ph.D.		Phone	= (317)-494-8284    *
*  Dept. of Food Science		FAX	= (317)-494-7953    *
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From owner-proteins@net.bio.net Wed Dec 01 22:00:00 1993
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From: sgex400@sghms.lon.ac.uk (MJ Duggan)
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Subject: Triton  _X-114
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Dear Netters,

Has anybody out there used Triton-X-114 for the phase separation of 
membrane proteins?

I am trying this following the method of Bordier (1981) J. Biol. Chem.
_265_, 1604-1607. In this he ends up by spinning the T-X-114 phase down 
through a sucrose cushion. The problem that I have is that my T-X-114
phase floats above the buffer! (I am only washing the T-X-114 at present).
The only difference that I can see between what I am doing and what is
in the paper is that I am using PBS whereas he used Tris buffered saline
(150 mM NaCl).

Can anybody help. Am I doing anything wrong or is the paper wrong or
misreadable? Any help would be welcome, I will post a summary if there is any 
interest.

Thanks in advance,

Michael Duggan

From owner-proteins@net.bio.net Wed Dec 01 22:00:00 1993
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From: jow@helix.nih.gov (Jim Owens)
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Subject: Keyhole Limpet hemocyanin
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I am looking for information about hemocyanin(s) of the Giant Keyhole
Limpet.  KLH (keyhole limpet hemocyanan) is a favorite carrier protein
for haptens for immunologists, but there seems to be very little known
about the structure in comparison to octopus or crab hemocyanins.  That
makes it hard to determine such things as number of haptens per molecule
of KLH and how many haptens can be attached.

I have not been able to find anyone who is actively studying this
hemocyanin and have only found vague references to number of subunits and
how hard they are to separate.  There was an Italian group which gave
some information in a Symposium volume about 5 or 6 years ago. 

If someone would be so kind as to point me in the direction of someone
who knows about KLH or point me to references I would be eternally (well,
for a week or two) grateful.

Thanks in advance,

Jim Owens

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From: RAMPITSCH@BCRSSU.AGR.CA
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Subject: Prestained markers
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>I think I have seen a description of how to stain protein molecular 
>weight markers prior to electrophoresis somewere but can not remember 
>were I saw it. I think it was Coomassie that was used.
>I know that there is a comersial source of something called pre-LMW/HMW.
>The important thing is that I would like to be able to see the size 
>standard while running the gel, the gels I use is standard SDS-PAGE 
>adopted from Laemmli.
>All replies appreciated.

>Lars Snogerup
>Plant biochemistry 
>U of Lund, Sweden

BRL also makes these markers and as metioned (in another reply), they
are not as accurate as unstained markers; they have another advantage
though: they show up on N-C after western transfer which helps to align
the blot with the gel.

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From: arlin@ac.dal.ca
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Subject: Re: help: want an advice
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In article <robison1.754617941@husc10>, robison1@husc10.harvard.edu (Keith Robison) writes:
> An excellent book is "An Introduction to Protein Structure" by
> Carl Branden and John Tooze.  It is well-written (at a Scientific
> American sort of level) and with nice color illustrations.
> 
> Keith Robison

I agree.  This book is published by Garland (New York, 1991),
ISBN 0-8153-0270-3 (paperback), 300 pp with lots of nice diagrams
that were drawn specifically for the book.

From owner-proteins@net.bio.net Thu Dec 02 22:00:00 1993
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From: krasel@alf.biochem.mpg.de (Cornelius Krasel)
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Subject: Re: Pre-staining of MW markers with Coomassie
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RoundUp (Lars.S@Plantbio.lu.se) wrote:

: I know that there is a comersial source of something called pre-LMW/HMW.
: The important thing is that I would like to be able to see the size 
: standard while running the gel, the gels I use is standard SDS-PAGE 
: adopted from Laemmli.

BioRad is one of several companies which sell prestained markers for SDS-PAGE.
A certain disadvantage is that prestaining changes the MW of the protein
slightly. Since staining is a semiquantitative :-) process, bands of
prestained markers are usually broader than bands of unstained markers.

I am not affiliated with BioRad, I just use their products.

--Cornelius.

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From owner-proteins@net.bio.net Thu Dec 02 22:00:00 1993
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From: Lars.S@Plantbio.lu.se (RoundUp)
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Subject: Pre-staining of MW markers with Coomassie
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Hello,
I think I have seen a description of how to stain protein molecular 
weight markers prior to electrophoresis somewere but can not remember 
were I saw it. I think it was Coomassie that was used.
I know that there is a comersial source of something called pre-LMW/HMW.
The important thing is that I would like to be able to see the size 
standard while running the gel, the gels I use is standard SDS-PAGE 
adopted from Laemmli.
All replies appreciated.

Lars Snogerup
Plant biochemistry 
U of Lund, Sweden

From owner-proteins@net.bio.net Thu Dec 02 22:00:00 1993
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From: mack@fcs260c.ncifcrf.gov (Joe Mack)
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Subject: Re: Pre-staining of MW markers with Coomassie
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In article <1993Dec3.133401.9480@nomina.lu.se> RoundUp <Lars.S@Plantbio.lu.se> writes:
>Hello,
>I think I have seen a description of how to stain protein molecular 
>weight markers prior to electrophoresis somewere but can not remember 
>were I saw it. I think it was Coomassie that was used.
>I know that there is a comersial source of something called pre-LMW/HMW.
>The important thing is that I would like to be able to see the size 
>standard while running the gel, the gels I use is standard SDS-PAGE 
>adopted from Laemmli.
>All replies appreciated.
>
>Lars Snogerup
>Plant biochemistry 
>U of Lund, Sweden
Do you want to staqin with coomassie or do you just want to see your markers.
If the latter,m, then the rainbow markers (hwere wool dyes are used to 
make the proteins visible ) will do fine. However the MW are no longer
accurate (so I stopped using them). 

Joe 
mack@ncifcrf.gov

From owner-proteins@net.bio.net Fri Dec 03 22:00:00 1993
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From: venkat@scs.leeds.ac.uk (N B Venkateswarlu)
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Subject: Help regrading ESR spectral subtraction
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Dear Netters,
              I am trying to use spectral subtraction (well establised)
described in Jost et al. [197x] to get the derivative spectra in ESR analysis.
S/W was developed by one my predecessors. I am facing serious troubles with
this since last 2 months. That S/W is working for the sample data sets provided
by that predecessor but not with any other one. I repeated experiments number
of times. But no use. I request you to help me in the following way:

1. I know that WINEPR package is available somewhere and works under windows.
   Ofcourse it is expensive (it seems). So, please let me know any similar or
   the same package availability on main frame systems such Silicon Graphics
    or Sun's etc. such that I can rlogin and that S/W if it is not possible to
    copy. So, I request you to help by conveying the information regarding this.

2. I am following the method of Jost et al[ 1972, Computers in Biology and
   Medicine]. In which both Two component and single component spetras will
   be normalised to have same double integral area before subtraction. Then
   substracted signal will be scaled to have peak-valey height of some other
   reference spectrum. Is this procedure is correct. Do you know any other
   procedure to carry out the same. 


   I would be very grateful for your reply. I am hanging on this problem since
last August.

     Thank You

      Sarada

From owner-proteins@net.bio.net Fri Dec 03 22:00:00 1993
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From: ac562@Freenet.carleton.ca (Robert J. Forster)
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Subject: Post-doc Protein Design and Expression
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expressed in prokaryotic cells, and to construct genes and expression 
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Techniques employed are microbiological and molecular genetic techniques 
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Applicants should have a PhD in protein chemistry or a related discipline with 
a working knowledge of recombinant DNA techniques.

To apply, contact Dr. M. Hefford, Centre for Food and Animal Research,
K. W. Neatby Bldg., CEF, Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0C6. Phone (613) 993-6002. Fax 
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or email ag150rf@ncccot2.agr.ca
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From: bchs1b@Rosie.UH.EDU (Michael Benedik)
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Subject: Re: Native MW of beta-Galactosidase (E. coli)
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In article <01H5XN9EPT4Y000RSG@nic.the.net>, SHAUN%JASON.DECNET@relay.the.net ("Shaun D. Black") writes:
>Does anyone have the native (tetrameric) molecular weight of E. coli beta-
>galactosidase handy?  Thanks in advance!  Cheers,  Shaun
>  =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 
>  = Shaun D. Black, PhD     | Internet:  shaun%jason.decnet@relay.the.net = 
>  = Dept. of Biochemistry   | University of Texas Health Center, at Tyler = 
>  =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 


Predicted molecular weight of monomer is 116,000, so for tetramer should
be 464,000. This at least is what the computer says, I personally have
not run a well calibrated sizing column to confirm.


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Dear netters,
What is the best way to store a stock of crude/ammonium sulfate ppted
proteins. -4C, -20C or -70C
Thanks for the help.
Shahram

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From: maveyrau@ecstasy.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Laurent Maveyraud)
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Subject: Re: looking for proteins sequences
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>Hi Netters,
>
>I have got a protein sequence and I would like to compare it with other 
>ones. Somebody there could tell me some information about how is the 
>easiest manner to proceed a roughly search? (database, software, time 
>required, etc).


One of the numerous way is to use the UWGCG package, with the database 
Genembl. The option is TFASTA. This goes through the whole DNA database, translates all the sequences available in the six possible reading frames, and compares the results to your protein sequence (but I don't remember which algorithm/matrice are used). This search needs around 20min on a DEC3000-240 workstation.

Software : UWGCG (University of Wisconsin Genetic Computer Group) it is available nearly everywhere there are molecular biology labs
(option TFASTA)

Database : Genembl, which is also from UWGCG, and is updated every 15 days (I think...)

Time : well, this depends mainly on the machine you are using. It can range from 1hour to 15 min.

I hope this helps


Laurent Maveyraud
Groupe de Cristallographie Biologique
CEMES
BP 4347
31055 Toulouse (France)

maveyrau@cemes.fr

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From: zjons@rhi.hi.is (Zophonias Oddur Jonsson)
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Subject: Q: PO3-bond free energies in NAD+
Keywords: NAD+ NMN ATP Ligase
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Hi all you experts!

  I have a question that I haven't been able to figure out by myself or with the
help of my organic chemist friends, so I'll take the liberty to ask you all.

  Where or how can I find the free energies of the following bonds:
The PO3-O-PO3 bonds between the nucleotides in NAD+,
the Phosphor amide bond between epsilon-NH2 of Lysine and the PO3 of AMP
and the PO3-O-PO3 bonds between, say two 5' linked Adenosyl nucleotides. ???

  The reason I ask is that I want to get some Idea of the thermodynamics of the
reaction that bacterial DNA ligases catalyse.  They use NAD+ as their source of
energy in a rather unusual reaction.  They break it up and transfer the AMP part
of it to a Lysine residue and then, in another step, transfer it from the lysine
to the 5' end of the DNA strand being ligated.  (The last step is then a plain
nucleophilic attack by 3'-OH on the other side of the nick).

  I would expect that all these bonds have free energies somewhere close to 33
kj/mol, and that the energies of all the PO3-O-PO3 bonds are very similar, but
then I'm no chemist, so what do I know?  The question is, does anyone have
better estimates?  Do you think the reaction is exothermic or that it's the
concentration of NAD+ that forces it to happen?

Thank you for reading this

Zophonias O. Jonsson
Laboratory of Molecular Genetics
University of Iceland
zjons@rhi.hi.is

_________________________________
if you think this is a silly question please flame me by e-mail.

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mcpalmie@FOX.CCE.USP.BR (Mauricio Cesar Palmieri) writes:

: I have got a protein sequence and I would like to compare it with other 
: ones. Somebody there could tell me some information about how is the 
: easiest manner to proceed a roughly search? (database, software, time 
: required, etc).

One (of many!) easy way to do it is to use the BLAST Email server at
NCBI:

blast@ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

There are many databases you can querry there, and the best is to get
the information document, which you can get by mailing to the server
with the word 'help' in the body of the text (blank subject line).

if you need help from a person (not a mail server), you can Email
this address:

info@ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

: database

Most of the major protein and nucleic acid databases are there.

: software

You need is an Email account.

: time 

Depends on your Internet connection and the size of the querry, and
how many other people are using the server at the same time you are.  
The search itself can take from a few seconds to a few minutes.

regards,

francis

--
| B.F. Francis Ouellette  
|
| francis@ncbi.nlm.nih.gov   

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From: maveyrau@ecstasy.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Laurent Maveyraud)
Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.proteins
Subject: Re: looking for proteins sequences
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>Hi Netters,
>
>I have got a protein sequence and I would like to compare it with other 
>ones. Somebody there could tell me some information about how is the 
>easiest manner to proceed a roughly search? (database, software, time 
>required, etc).


One of the numerous way is to use the UWGCG package, with the database 
Genembl. The option is TFASTA. This goes through the whole DNA database, translates all the sequences available in the six possible reading frames, and compares the results to your protein sequence (but I don't remember which algorithm/matrice are used). This search needs around 20min on a DEC3000-240 workstation.

Software : UWGCG (University of Wisconsin Genetic Computer Group) it is available nearly everywhere there are molecular biology labs
(option TFASTA)

Database : Genembl, which is also from UWGCG, and is updated every 15 days (I think...)

Time : well, this depends mainly on the machine you are using. It can range from 1hour to 15 min.

I hope this helps


Laurent Maveyraud
Groupe de Cristallographie Biologique
CEMES
BP 4347
31055 Toulouse (France)

maveyrau@cemes.fr

From owner-proteins@net.bio.net Sun Dec 05 22:00:00 1993
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From: zjons@rhi.hi.is (Zophonias Oddur Jonsson)
Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.proteins,sci.chem
Subject: Q: PO3-bond free energies in NAD+
Keywords: NAD+ NMN ATP Ligase
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Hi all you experts!

  I have a question that I haven't been able to figure out by myself or with the
help of my organic chemist friends, so I'll take the liberty to ask you all.

  Where or how can I find the free energies of the following bonds:
The PO3-O-PO3 bonds between the nucleotides in NAD+,
the Phosphor amide bond between epsilon-NH2 of Lysine and the PO3 of AMP
and the PO3-O-PO3 bonds between, say two 5' linked Adenosyl nucleotides. ???

  The reason I ask is that I want to get some Idea of the thermodynamics of the
reaction that bacterial DNA ligases catalyse.  They use NAD+ as their source of
energy in a rather unusual reaction.  They break it up and transfer the AMP part
of it to a Lysine residue and then, in another step, transfer it from the lysine
to the 5' end of the DNA strand being ligated.  (The last step is then a plain
nucleophilic attack by 3'-OH on the other side of the nick).

  I would expect that all these bonds have free energies somewhere close to 33
kj/mol, and that the energies of all the PO3-O-PO3 bonds are very similar, but
then I'm no chemist, so what do I know?  The question is, does anyone have
better estimates?  Do you think the reaction is exothermic or that it's the
concentration of NAD+ that forces it to happen?

Thank you for reading this

Zophonias O. Jonsson
Laboratory of Molecular Genetics
University of Iceland
zjons@rhi.hi.is

_________________________________
if you think this is a silly question please flame me by e-mail.

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Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.proteins
Subject: Re: looking for proteins sequences
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mcpalmie@FOX.CCE.USP.BR (Mauricio Cesar Palmieri) writes:

: I have got a protein sequence and I would like to compare it with other 
: ones. Somebody there could tell me some information about how is the 
: easiest manner to proceed a roughly search? (database, software, time 
: required, etc).

One (of many!) easy way to do it is to use the BLAST Email server at
NCBI:

blast@ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

There are many databases you can querry there, and the best is to get
the information document, which you can get by mailing to the server
with the word 'help' in the body of the text (blank subject line).

if you need help from a person (not a mail server), you can Email
this address:

info@ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

: database

Most of the major protein and nucleic acid databases are there.

: software

You need is an Email account.

: time 

Depends on your Internet connection and the size of the querry, and
how many other people are using the server at the same time you are.  
The search itself can take from a few seconds to a few minutes.

regards,

francis

--
| B.F. Francis Ouellette  
|
| francis@ncbi.nlm.nih.gov   

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From: zjons@rhi.hi.is (Zophonias Oddur Jonsson)
Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.proteins,sci.chem
Subject: Q: PO3-bond free energies in NAD+
Keywords: NAD+ NMN ATP Ligase
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Hi all you experts!

  I have a question that I haven't been able to figure out by myself or with the
help of my organic chemist friends, so I'll take the liberty to ask you all.

  Where or how can I find the free energies of the following bonds:
The PO3-O-PO3 bonds between the nucleotides in NAD+,
the Phosphor amide bond between epsilon-NH2 of Lysine and the PO3 of AMP
and the PO3-O-PO3 bonds between, say two 5' linked Adenosyl nucleotides. ???

  The reason I ask is that I want to get some Idea of the thermodynamics of the
reaction that bacterial DNA ligases catalyse.  They use NAD+ as their source of
energy in a rather unusual reaction.  They break it up and transfer the AMP part
of it to a Lysine residue and then, in another step, transfer it from the lysine
to the 5' end of the DNA strand being ligated.  (The last step is then a plain
nucleophilic attack by 3'-OH on the other side of the nick).

  I would expect that all these bonds have free energies somewhere close to 33
kj/mol, and that the energies of all the PO3-O-PO3 bonds are very similar, but
then I'm no chemist, so what do I know?  The question is, does anyone have
better estimates?  Do you think the reaction is exothermic or that it's the
concentration of NAD+ that forces it to happen?

Thank you for reading this

Zophonias O. Jonsson
Laboratory of Molecular Genetics
University of Iceland
zjons@rhi.hi.is

_________________________________
if you think this is a silly question please flame me by e-mail.

From owner-proteins@net.bio.net Sun Dec 05 22:00:00 1993
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From: bchs1b@Rosie.UH.EDU (Michael Benedik)
Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.proteins
Subject: Re: Native MW of beta-Galactosidase (E. coli)
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In article <01H5XN9EPT4Y000RSG@nic.the.net>, SHAUN%JASON.DECNET@relay.the.net ("Shaun D. Black") writes:
>Does anyone have the native (tetrameric) molecular weight of E. coli beta-
>galactosidase handy?  Thanks in advance!  Cheers,  Shaun
>  =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 
>  = Shaun D. Black, PhD     | Internet:  shaun%jason.decnet@relay.the.net = 
>  = Dept. of Biochemistry   | University of Texas Health Center, at Tyler = 
>  =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 


Predicted molecular weight of monomer is 116,000, so for tetramer should
be 464,000. This at least is what the computer says, I personally have
not run a well calibrated sizing column to confirm.


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 Dept. of Biochemical & Biophysical Sciences	
 University of Houston				BITNET: Benedik@uhou
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From: doelz@comp.bioz.unibas.ch (Reinhard Doelz)
Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.proteins,bionet.software
Subject: Re: looking for proteins sequences
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In article <2dsrc0$j26@reseau.cict.fr>, maveyrau@ecstasy.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Laurent Maveyraud) writes:
|> Query from mcpalmie@FOX.CCE.USP.BR (Mauricio Cesar Palmieri): 
|> ...
|> >ones. Somebody there could tell me some information about how is the 
|> >easiest manner to proceed a roughly search? (database, software, time 
|> >required, etc).

The software you may choose balances speed vs. sensitivity, and it very 
much depends on the question you ask. There are three options 

(1) Rely on the network 
(2) rely on your site
(3) Do everything yourself

Option three, obviously, is time consuming and usually does not pay 
off. You should not need to install software and databases yourself if 
you work in a larger environment because central services are cost-
effective and therefore provided usually. If you do not enjoy such 
comfort but need to initiate one the best were to visit a site where 
it's already running (better even, two or three different sites 
running different environments). 

Option one, the network, may turn out to be a Damokles sword; 
as you get what you paid for. Most of the services are "free". 
Many of the services provided on the net are spawned from research 
activities and therefore continuously suffer from funding, thus, 
are continuously in danger to degrade, or cease to exist. 

There are a few exceptions, thogh, like the services of the 
EMBL data library or the national services from EMBnet in Europe, 
and the NCBI in the US. 

The available services on the network have been collected by Amos Bairoch
and are available on various servers, on our mirror server you will 
find the data on nic.switch.ch as
 mirror/embnet-ch/other-data/info/serv_ema.txt.Z

With respect to option two, the central services, you might want 
to consider querying your national Center in Brasil. Goran  
(adresses below) will provide you answers to your questions if you 
would like to get either services there or an advice. 

Any EMBnet node has an entry in 'The Nodes of EMBnet' database which 
is available as Postscript format on nic.switch.ch in 
 mirror/embnet-ch/info/embnet
The embnet.dat file is a plain ASCII file and there are nice postscript 
versions with additional information as well. 

There is a Brasilian node in Brasilea which serves the community according
to as imilar structure as the EMBnet nodes do in Europe, the 
Brazilian Molecular Biology and Biotechnology Network (BMBBNet). For more
information, ask at 

 ------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Goran Neshich                    |                                     |
| CENARGEN/EMBRAPA                 | e-mail: neshich@cenargen.embrapa.br | 
| S.A.I.N. Parque Rural, Final W5  |                                     |
| Asa Norte                        |  Phone:  +55 (61)273-0100 ext 127   |
| 70770-900, Brasilia-D.F.-BRASIL  |  Fax:    +55 (61)274-3212           |
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------

|> 
|> 
|> One of the numerous way is to use the UWGCG package, with the database 
|> Genembl. The option is TFASTA. This goes through the whole DNA database,

TFASTA belongs to the FASTA package written by William R. Pearson 
originally described in Science (Lipman and Pearson, (1985) Science 
227:1435-1441). The Genetics Computer Group, Inc. (Madison, Wisconsin) 
distributes a version which is adapted to their package. 

...
|> Software : UWGCG (University of Wisconsin Genetic Computer Group) it is
|> available nearly everywhere there are molecular biology labs

The package in question arose from an academic group (UWGCG) but is now
comercially managed (Info at beers@gcg.com). Due to its history and 
economical factors, it is installed at a large basis. We have enjoyed 
excellent results arising from running this package since 1987. However,
it is important to emphasize that other packages are available, such
as the Intelligenetics Software Packahe (known as IG Suite, Info 
at ig-consultant@presto.ig.com), and others. 

There are many packages available from the public domain, though, these 
usually cover only a special (but very extensively covered) set of 
a particular activity, e.g. sequence searching, e.g., he FASTA was mentioned 
above, and the NCBI has released the 'BLAST' suite of programs. 

|> 
|> Database : Genembl, which is also from UWGCG, and is updated every 15 days (I think...)

'Genembl' is a term for a merged database used in the GCG package. 
On the basis of accession numbers, Genbank and EMBL are excluded 
in the corresponding database; e.g., in the US you would 
normally run GENBANK with a EMBL exclusion set, and in Europe you will 
have a EMBL with a Genbank exclusion set. The update frequency 
is a matter of your administrator, we do EMBL daily and GENBANK 
weekly, most sites in Switzerland maintain a weekly GCG GENEMBL data 
update. There oare other merged collections out there, PATCHX, OWL, 
and others. 

|> 
|> Time : well, this depends mainly on the machine you are using. It can range from 1hour to 15 min.

BLAST (software from the NCBI) takes only a few seconds if peptide 
runs vs. peptice straight, and a Smith and Waterman search on a 
massively parallel machine (software from the Edinburgh team) doen't 
take longer either. The latter run on a deskside, 4 year old hardware 
might easily take 5 hours CPU to complete. The search software 
available ranges from scans of identity to sophisticated methods of 
fragment pattern searching, and from browsing the database with
 quick-but-dirty to extensive homology evaluations searching with 
profiles. ISEARCH (PIR), (T)FASTA (Pearson), BLAST (NCBI), 
WORDSEARCH(UWGCG), TWORDSEARCH(Rice), BLAZE (Intelligenetics), 
MPsearch(Collins et al, also as BLITZ), PROFILE methods (GRIBSKOV), 
FLASH (IBM), and many, many other programs have a wide area 
of application. 

So the range depends on 
	* algorithm used 
	* hardware used 
	* question asked 
	* (occasionally) length of the sequence 


Regards
Reinhard

-- 
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From: doelz@comp.bioz.unibas.ch (Reinhard Doelz)
Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.proteins,bionet.software
Subject: Re: looking for proteins sequences
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In article <2dsrc0$j26@reseau.cict.fr>, maveyrau@ecstasy.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Laurent Maveyraud) writes:
|> Query from mcpalmie@FOX.CCE.USP.BR (Mauricio Cesar Palmieri): 
|> ...
|> >ones. Somebody there could tell me some information about how is the 
|> >easiest manner to proceed a roughly search? (database, software, time 
|> >required, etc).

The software you may choose balances speed vs. sensitivity, and it very 
much depends on the question you ask. There are three options 

(1) Rely on the network 
(2) rely on your site
(3) Do everything yourself

Option three, obviously, is time consuming and usually does not pay 
off. You should not need to install software and databases yourself if 
you work in a larger environment because central services are cost-
effective and therefore provided usually. If you do not enjoy such 
comfort but need to initiate one the best were to visit a site where 
it's already running (better even, two or three different sites 
running different environments). 

Option one, the network, may turn out to be a Damokles sword; 
as you get what you paid for. Most of the services are "free". 
Many of the services provided on the net are spawned from research 
activities and therefore continuously suffer from funding, thus, 
are continuously in danger to degrade, or cease to exist. 

There are a few exceptions, thogh, like the services of the 
EMBL data library or the national services from EMBnet in Europe, 
and the NCBI in the US. 

The available services on the network have been collected by Amos Bairoch
and are available on various servers, on our mirror server you will 
find the data on nic.switch.ch as
 mirror/embnet-ch/other-data/info/serv_ema.txt.Z

With respect to option two, the central services, you might want 
to consider querying your national Center in Brasil. Goran  
(adresses below) will provide you answers to your questions if you 
would like to get either services there or an advice. 

Any EMBnet node has an entry in 'The Nodes of EMBnet' database which 
is available as Postscript format on nic.switch.ch in 
 mirror/embnet-ch/info/embnet
The embnet.dat file is a plain ASCII file and there are nice postscript 
versions with additional information as well. 

There is a Brasilian node in Brasilea which serves the community according
to as imilar structure as the EMBnet nodes do in Europe, the 
Brazilian Molecular Biology and Biotechnology Network (BMBBNet). For more
information, ask at 

 ------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Goran Neshich                    |                                     |
| CENARGEN/EMBRAPA                 | e-mail: neshich@cenargen.embrapa.br | 
| S.A.I.N. Parque Rural, Final W5  |                                     |
| Asa Norte                        |  Phone:  +55 (61)273-0100 ext 127   |
| 70770-900, Brasilia-D.F.-BRASIL  |  Fax:    +55 (61)274-3212           |
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------

|> 
|> 
|> One of the numerous way is to use the UWGCG package, with the database 
|> Genembl. The option is TFASTA. This goes through the whole DNA database,

TFASTA belongs to the FASTA package written by William R. Pearson 
originally described in Science (Lipman and Pearson, (1985) Science 
227:1435-1441). The Genetics Computer Group, Inc. (Madison, Wisconsin) 
distributes a version which is adapted to their package. 

...
|> Software : UWGCG (University of Wisconsin Genetic Computer Group) it is
|> available nearly everywhere there are molecular biology labs

The package in question arose from an academic group (UWGCG) but is now
comercially managed (Info at beers@gcg.com). Due to its history and 
economical factors, it is installed at a large basis. We have enjoyed 
excellent results arising from running this package since 1987. However,
it is important to emphasize that other packages are available, such
as the Intelligenetics Software Packahe (known as IG Suite, Info 
at ig-consultant@presto.ig.com), and others. 

There are many packages available from the public domain, though, these 
usually cover only a special (but very extensively covered) set of 
a particular activity, e.g. sequence searching, e.g., he FASTA was mentioned 
above, and the NCBI has released the 'BLAST' suite of programs. 

|> 
|> Database : Genembl, which is also from UWGCG, and is updated every 15 days (I think...)

'Genembl' is a term for a merged database used in the GCG package. 
On the basis of accession numbers, Genbank and EMBL are excluded 
in the corresponding database; e.g., in the US you would 
normally run GENBANK with a EMBL exclusion set, and in Europe you will 
have a EMBL with a Genbank exclusion set. The update frequency 
is a matter of your administrator, we do EMBL daily and GENBANK 
weekly, most sites in Switzerland maintain a weekly GCG GENEMBL data 
update. There oare other merged collections out there, PATCHX, OWL, 
and others. 

|> 
|> Time : well, this depends mainly on the machine you are using. It can range from 1hour to 15 min.

BLAST (software from the NCBI) takes only a few seconds if peptide 
runs vs. peptice straight, and a Smith and Waterman search on a 
massively parallel machine (software from the Edinburgh team) doen't 
take longer either. The latter run on a deskside, 4 year old hardware 
might easily take 5 hours CPU to complete. The search software 
available ranges from scans of identity to sophisticated methods of 
fragment pattern searching, and from browsing the database with
 quick-but-dirty to extensive homology evaluations searching with 
profiles. ISEARCH (PIR), (T)FASTA (Pearson), BLAST (NCBI), 
WORDSEARCH(UWGCG), TWORDSEARCH(Rice), BLAZE (Intelligenetics), 
MPsearch(Collins et al, also as BLITZ), PROFILE methods (GRIBSKOV), 
FLASH (IBM), and many, many other programs have a wide area 
of application. 

So the range depends on 
	* algorithm used 
	* hardware used 
	* question asked 
	* (occasionally) length of the sequence 


Regards
Reinhard

-- 
+----------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
|    Dr. Reinhard Doelz            | RFC     doelz@urz.unibas.ch         |
|      Biocomputing                | DECNET  20579::48130::doelz         |
|Biozentrum der Universitaet       | X25     022846211142036::doelz      |
|   Klingelbergstrasse 70          | FAX     x41 61 261- 6760 or 267- 2078     
|     CH 4056 Basel                | TEL     x41 61 267- 2076 or 2247    |   
+------------- bioftp.unibas.ch is the SWISS EMBnet node ----------------+
                     ftp mirror at nic.switch.ch 
               -----------------------------------------

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From: doelz@comp.bioz.unibas.ch (Reinhard Doelz)
Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.proteins,bionet.software
Subject: Re: looking for proteins sequences
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In article <2dsrc0$j26@reseau.cict.fr>, maveyrau@ecstasy.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Laurent Maveyraud) writes:
|> Query from mcpalmie@FOX.CCE.USP.BR (Mauricio Cesar Palmieri): 
|> ...
|> >ones. Somebody there could tell me some information about how is the 
|> >easiest manner to proceed a roughly search? (database, software, time 
|> >required, etc).

The software you may choose balances speed vs. sensitivity, and it very 
much depends on the question you ask. There are three options 

(1) Rely on the network 
(2) rely on your site
(3) Do everything yourself

Option three, obviously, is time consuming and usually does not pay 
off. You should not need to install software and databases yourself if 
you work in a larger environment because central services are cost-
effective and therefore provided usually. If you do not enjoy such 
comfort but need to initiate one the best were to visit a site where 
it's already running (better even, two or three different sites 
running different environments). 

Option one, the network, may turn out to be a Damokles sword; 
as you get what you paid for. Most of the services are "free". 
Many of the services provided on the net are spawned from research 
activities and therefore continuously suffer from funding, thus, 
are continuously in danger to degrade, or cease to exist. 

There are a few exceptions, thogh, like the services of the 
EMBL data library or the national services from EMBnet in Europe, 
and the NCBI in the US. 

The available services on the network have been collected by Amos Bairoch
and are available on various servers, on our mirror server you will 
find the data on nic.switch.ch as
 mirror/embnet-ch/other-data/info/serv_ema.txt.Z

With respect to option two, the central services, you might want 
to consider querying your national Center in Brasil. Goran  
(adresses below) will provide you answers to your questions if you 
would like to get either services there or an advice. 

Any EMBnet node has an entry in 'The Nodes of EMBnet' database which 
is available as Postscript format on nic.switch.ch in 
 mirror/embnet-ch/info/embnet
The embnet.dat file is a plain ASCII file and there are nice postscript 
versions with additional information as well. 

There is a Brasilian node in Brasilea which serves the community according
to as imilar structure as the EMBnet nodes do in Europe, the 
Brazilian Molecular Biology and Biotechnology Network (BMBBNet). For more
information, ask at 

 ------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Goran Neshich                    |                                     |
| CENARGEN/EMBRAPA                 | e-mail: neshich@cenargen.embrapa.br | 
| S.A.I.N. Parque Rural, Final W5  |                                     |
| Asa Norte                        |  Phone:  +55 (61)273-0100 ext 127   |
| 70770-900, Brasilia-D.F.-BRASIL  |  Fax:    +55 (61)274-3212           |
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------

|> 
|> 
|> One of the numerous way is to use the UWGCG package, with the database 
|> Genembl. The option is TFASTA. This goes through the whole DNA database,

TFASTA belongs to the FASTA package written by William R. Pearson 
originally described in Science (Lipman and Pearson, (1985) Science 
227:1435-1441). The Genetics Computer Group, Inc. (Madison, Wisconsin) 
distributes a version which is adapted to their package. 

...
|> Software : UWGCG (University of Wisconsin Genetic Computer Group) it is
|> available nearly everywhere there are molecular biology labs

The package in question arose from an academic group (UWGCG) but is now
comercially managed (Info at beers@gcg.com). Due to its history and 
economical factors, it is installed at a large basis. We have enjoyed 
excellent results arising from running this package since 1987. However,
it is important to emphasize that other packages are available, such
as the Intelligenetics Software Packahe (known as IG Suite, Info 
at ig-consultant@presto.ig.com), and others. 

There are many packages available from the public domain, though, these 
usually cover only a special (but very extensively covered) set of 
a particular activity, e.g. sequence searching, e.g., he FASTA was mentioned 
above, and the NCBI has released the 'BLAST' suite of programs. 

|> 
|> Database : Genembl, which is also from UWGCG, and is updated every 15 days (I think...)

'Genembl' is a term for a merged database used in the GCG package. 
On the basis of accession numbers, Genbank and EMBL are excluded 
in the corresponding database; e.g., in the US you would 
normally run GENBANK with a EMBL exclusion set, and in Europe you will 
have a EMBL with a Genbank exclusion set. The update frequency 
is a matter of your administrator, we do EMBL daily and GENBANK 
weekly, most sites in Switzerland maintain a weekly GCG GENEMBL data 
update. There oare other merged collections out there, PATCHX, OWL, 
and others. 

|> 
|> Time : well, this depends mainly on the machine you are using. It can range from 1hour to 15 min.

BLAST (software from the NCBI) takes only a few seconds if peptide 
runs vs. peptice straight, and a Smith and Waterman search on a 
massively parallel machine (software from the Edinburgh team) doen't 
take longer either. The latter run on a deskside, 4 year old hardware 
might easily take 5 hours CPU to complete. The search software 
available ranges from scans of identity to sophisticated methods of 
fragment pattern searching, and from browsing the database with
 quick-but-dirty to extensive homology evaluations searching with 
profiles. ISEARCH (PIR), (T)FASTA (Pearson), BLAST (NCBI), 
WORDSEARCH(UWGCG), TWORDSEARCH(Rice), BLAZE (Intelligenetics), 
MPsearch(Collins et al, also as BLITZ), PROFILE methods (GRIBSKOV), 
FLASH (IBM), and many, many other programs have a wide area 
of application. 

So the range depends on 
	* algorithm used 
	* hardware used 
	* question asked 
	* (occasionally) length of the sequence 


Regards
Reinhard

-- 
+----------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
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|      Biocomputing                | DECNET  20579::48130::doelz         |
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|     CH 4056 Basel                | TEL     x41 61 267- 2076 or 2247    |   
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                     ftp mirror at nic.switch.ch 
               -----------------------------------------

From owner-proteins@net.bio.net Sun Dec 05 22:00:00 1993
Path: biosci!lhc!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!isgate!news.rhi.hi.is!zjons
From: zjons@rhi.hi.is (Zophonias Oddur Jonsson)
Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.proteins,sci.chem
Subject: Q: PO3-bond free energies in NAD+
Keywords: NAD+ NMN ATP Ligase
Message-ID: <2dtia9$5vo@eldborg.rhi.hi.is>
Date: 5 Dec 93 21:03:05 GMT
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Hi all you experts!

  I have a question that I haven't been able to figure out by myself or with the
help of my organic chemist friends, so I'll take the liberty to ask you all.

  Where or how can I find the free energies of the following bonds:
The PO3-O-PO3 bonds between the nucleotides in NAD+,
the Phosphor amide bond between epsilon-NH2 of Lysine and the PO3 of AMP
and the PO3-O-PO3 bonds between, say two 5' linked Adenosyl nucleotides. ???

  The reason I ask is that I want to get some Idea of the thermodynamics of the
reaction that bacterial DNA ligases catalyse.  They use NAD+ as their source of
energy in a rather unusual reaction.  They break it up and transfer the AMP part
of it to a Lysine residue and then, in another step, transfer it from the lysine
to the 5' end of the DNA strand being ligated.  (The last step is then a plain
nucleophilic attack by 3'-OH on the other side of the nick).

  I would expect that all these bonds have free energies somewhere close to 33
kj/mol, and that the energies of all the PO3-O-PO3 bonds are very similar, but
then I'm no chemist, so what do I know?  The question is, does anyone have
better estimates?  Do you think the reaction is exothermic or that it's the
concentration of NAD+ that forces it to happen?

Thank you for reading this

Zophonias O. Jonsson
Laboratory of Molecular Genetics
University of Iceland
zjons@rhi.hi.is

_________________________________
if you think this is a silly question please flame me by e-mail.

From owner-proteins@net.bio.net Sun Dec 05 22:00:00 1993
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From: doelz@comp.bioz.unibas.ch (Reinhard Doelz)
Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.proteins,bionet.software
Subject: Re: looking for proteins sequences
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In article <2dsrc0$j26@reseau.cict.fr>, maveyrau@ecstasy.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Laurent Maveyraud) writes:
|> Query from mcpalmie@FOX.CCE.USP.BR (Mauricio Cesar Palmieri): 
|> ...
|> >ones. Somebody there could tell me some information about how is the 
|> >easiest manner to proceed a roughly search? (database, software, time 
|> >required, etc).

The software you may choose balances speed vs. sensitivity, and it very 
much depends on the question you ask. There are three options 

(1) Rely on the network 
(2) rely on your site
(3) Do everything yourself

Option three, obviously, is time consuming and usually does not pay 
off. You should not need to install software and databases yourself if 
you work in a larger environment because central services are cost-
effective and therefore provided usually. If you do not enjoy such 
comfort but need to initiate one the best were to visit a site where 
it's already running (better even, two or three different sites 
running different environments). 

Option one, the network, may turn out to be a Damokles sword; 
as you get what you paid for. Most of the services are "free". 
Many of the services provided on the net are spawned from research 
activities and therefore continuously suffer from funding, thus, 
are continuously in danger to degrade, or cease to exist. 

There are a few exceptions, thogh, like the services of the 
EMBL data library or the national services from EMBnet in Europe, 
and the NCBI in the US. 

The available services on the network have been collected by Amos Bairoch
and are available on various servers, on our mirror server you will 
find the data on nic.switch.ch as
 mirror/embnet-ch/other-data/info/serv_ema.txt.Z

With respect to option two, the central services, you might want 
to consider querying your national Center in Brasil. Goran  
(adresses below) will provide you answers to your questions if you 
would like to get either services there or an advice. 

Any EMBnet node has an entry in 'The Nodes of EMBnet' database which 
is available as Postscript format on nic.switch.ch in 
 mirror/embnet-ch/info/embnet
The embnet.dat file is a plain ASCII file and there are nice postscript 
versions with additional information as well. 

There is a Brasilian node in Brasilea which serves the community according
to as imilar structure as the EMBnet nodes do in Europe, the 
Brazilian Molecular Biology and Biotechnology Network (BMBBNet). For more
information, ask at 

 ------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Goran Neshich                    |                                     |
| CENARGEN/EMBRAPA                 | e-mail: neshich@cenargen.embrapa.br | 
| S.A.I.N. Parque Rural, Final W5  |                                     |
| Asa Norte                        |  Phone:  +55 (61)273-0100 ext 127   |
| 70770-900, Brasilia-D.F.-BRASIL  |  Fax:    +55 (61)274-3212           |
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------

|> 
|> 
|> One of the numerous way is to use the UWGCG package, with the database 
|> Genembl. The option is TFASTA. This goes through the whole DNA database,

TFASTA belongs to the FASTA package written by William R. Pearson 
originally described in Science (Lipman and Pearson, (1985) Science 
227:1435-1441). The Genetics Computer Group, Inc. (Madison, Wisconsin) 
distributes a version which is adapted to their package. 

...
|> Software : UWGCG (University of Wisconsin Genetic Computer Group) it is
|> available nearly everywhere there are molecular biology labs

The package in question arose from an academic group (UWGCG) but is now
comercially managed (Info at beers@gcg.com). Due to its history and 
economical factors, it is installed at a large basis. We have enjoyed 
excellent results arising from running this package since 1987. However,
it is important to emphasize that other packages are available, such
as the Intelligenetics Software Packahe (known as IG Suite, Info 
at ig-consultant@presto.ig.com), and others. 

There are many packages available from the public domain, though, these 
usually cover only a special (but very extensively covered) set of 
a particular activity, e.g. sequence searching, e.g., he FASTA was mentioned 
above, and the NCBI has released the 'BLAST' suite of programs. 

|> 
|> Database : Genembl, which is also from UWGCG, and is updated every 15 days (I think...)

'Genembl' is a term for a merged database used in the GCG package. 
On the basis of accession numbers, Genbank and EMBL are excluded 
in the corresponding database; e.g., in the US you would 
normally run GENBANK with a EMBL exclusion set, and in Europe you will 
have a EMBL with a Genbank exclusion set. The update frequency 
is a matter of your administrator, we do EMBL daily and GENBANK 
weekly, most sites in Switzerland maintain a weekly GCG GENEMBL data 
update. There oare other merged collections out there, PATCHX, OWL, 
and others. 

|> 
|> Time : well, this depends mainly on the machine you are using. It can range from 1hour to 15 min.

BLAST (software from the NCBI) takes only a few seconds if peptide 
runs vs. peptice straight, and a Smith and Waterman search on a 
massively parallel machine (software from the Edinburgh team) doen't 
take longer either. The latter run on a deskside, 4 year old hardware 
might easily take 5 hours CPU to complete. The search software 
available ranges from scans of identity to sophisticated methods of 
fragment pattern searching, and from browsing the database with
 quick-but-dirty to extensive homology evaluations searching with 
profiles. ISEARCH (PIR), (T)FASTA (Pearson), BLAST (NCBI), 
WORDSEARCH(UWGCG), TWORDSEARCH(Rice), BLAZE (Intelligenetics), 
MPsearch(Collins et al, also as BLITZ), PROFILE methods (GRIBSKOV), 
FLASH (IBM), and many, many other programs have a wide area 
of application. 

So the range depends on 
	* algorithm used 
	* hardware used 
	* question asked 
	* (occasionally) length of the sequence 


Regards
Reinhard

-- 
+----------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
|    Dr. Reinhard Doelz            | RFC     doelz@urz.unibas.ch         |
|      Biocomputing                | DECNET  20579::48130::doelz         |
|Biozentrum der Universitaet       | X25     022846211142036::doelz      |
|   Klingelbergstrasse 70          | FAX     x41 61 261- 6760 or 267- 2078     
|     CH 4056 Basel                | TEL     x41 61 267- 2076 or 2247    |   
+------------- bioftp.unibas.ch is the SWISS EMBnet node ----------------+
                     ftp mirror at nic.switch.ch 
               -----------------------------------------

From owner-proteins@net.bio.net Sun Dec 05 22:00:00 1993
Path: biosci!lhc!borduas!francis
From: francis@borduas.nlm.nih.gov (Francis Ouellette)
Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.proteins
Subject: Re: looking for proteins sequences
Message-ID: <1993Dec5.151819.9686@nlm.nih.gov>
Date: 5 Dec 93 15:18:19 GMT
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mcpalmie@FOX.CCE.USP.BR (Mauricio Cesar Palmieri) writes:

: I have got a protein sequence and I would like to compare it with other 
: ones. Somebody there could tell me some information about how is the 
: easiest manner to proceed a roughly search? (database, software, time 
: required, etc).

One (of many!) easy way to do it is to use the BLAST Email server at
NCBI:

blast@ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

There are many databases you can querry there, and the best is to get
the information document, which you can get by mailing to the server
with the word 'help' in the body of the text (blank subject line).

if you need help from a person (not a mail server), you can Email
this address:

info@ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

: database

Most of the major protein and nucleic acid databases are there.

: software

You need is an Email account.

: time 

Depends on your Internet connection and the size of the querry, and
how many other people are using the server at the same time you are.  
The search itself can take from a few seconds to a few minutes.

regards,

francis

--
| B.F. Francis Ouellette  
|
| francis@ncbi.nlm.nih.gov   

From owner-proteins@net.bio.net Mon Dec 06 22:00:00 1993
Path: biosci!relay.the.net!SHAUN%JASON.DECNET
From: SHAUN%JASON.DECNET@relay.the.net ("Shaun D. Black")
Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.proteins
Subject: "Protein Folding"
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Date: 6 Dec 93 15:31:09 GMT
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Dear Colleagues,
     I am curious as to your comments on Tom Creighton's book, "Protein 
Folding" (W.H. Freeman, 1992).  Which chapters were well written?  Did it 
cover the folding problem accurately as of the time of publication?  I am
specially curious about your thoughts on the Introduction (chapter 1).  
Thanks for taking a few minutes to reply.  I will summarize responses; this 
may generate some interesting topics for discussion.  Cheers,  Shaun
  =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 
  = Shaun D. Black, PhD     | Internet:  shaun%jason.decnet@relay.the.net = 
  = Dept. of Biochemistry   | University of Texas Health Center, at Tyler = 
  =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 

From owner-proteins@net.bio.net Mon Dec 06 22:00:00 1993
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From owner-proteins@net.bio.net Tue Dec 07 22:00:00 1993
Path: biosci!FOX.CCE.USP.BR!szeinfel
From: szeinfel@FOX.CCE.USP.BR (Rafael N Szeinfeld)
Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.proteins
Subject: Re: Internal repeats
Message-ID: <Pine.3.85.9312081631.A185-0100000@fox.cce.usp.br>
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On 8 Dec 1993, Bob Lauder wrote:

> 
> Hi,
> 
>  I have a protein, X, which contains a motif repeated several times within
> the amino acid sequence.  I also have the sequence of a couple of other 
> proteins, Y and Z, which share this internally repeated motif.
> 
>  What I'm after is the best way to find any other sequences which have 
> this repeated motif.  It is a fairly short motif NxxNxNxxNxxN but is repeated
> several (>9) times within a sequence of ~300aa.  A search for the repeated motif
> is probably is not the best way.  So, any advice and suggestions, welcome.
> 
> Bob.
> 
> ==============================================================================
> Bob Lauder,				bsa016@cent1.lancs.ac.uk
> Post Doctoral Research Associate,	
> Division of Biological Sciences,	VOICE - (+44) (0)524 65201 Ex 3461
> Lancaster University,			FAX   - (+44) (0)524 843854
> U.K.
> 
> 
	Hi Bob,
	I'm curious to know why you use X,Y,Z and X on your message 
instead of real names.


rafael najmanovich
szeinfel@fox.cce.usp.br


From owner-proteins@net.bio.net Tue Dec 07 22:00:00 1993
Path: biosci!daresbury!not-for-mail
From: bsa016@cent1.lancs.ac.uk (Bob Lauder)
Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.proteins
Subject: Internal repeats
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Original-To: proteins@dl.ac.uk


Hi,

 I have a protein, X, which contains a motif repeated several times within
the amino acid sequence.  I also have the sequence of a couple of other 
proteins, Y and Z, which share this internally repeated motif.

 What I'm after is the best way to find any other sequences which have 
this repeated motif.  It is a fairly short motif NxxNxNxxNxxN but is repeated
several (>9) times within a sequence of ~300aa.  A search for the repeated motif
is probably is not the best way.  So, any advice and suggestions, welcome.

Bob.

==============================================================================
Bob Lauder,				bsa016@cent1.lancs.ac.uk
Post Doctoral Research Associate,	
Division of Biological Sciences,	VOICE - (+44) (0)524 65201 Ex 3461
Lancaster University,			FAX   - (+44) (0)524 843854
U.K.

From owner-proteins@net.bio.net Tue Dec 07 22:00:00 1993
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From: ez005587@chip.ucdavis.edu (David J. Meyer)
Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.proteins
Subject: Re: Secreted proteins
Message-ID: <CHq5I5.F64@ucdavis.edu>
Date: 8 Dec 93 16:22:52 GMT
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Przemko (przemko@reks.uia.ac.be) wrote:
: Hi!
: Can anyone tell me what % of proteins in an eukaryotic cell
: is actually secreted and membrane bound?

(stuff deleted)

I, too, would be quite interested in any references addressing this
question. It would also be interesting to see data comparing these values
between different organisms!

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
David J. Meyer
djmeyer@ucdavis.edu

From owner-proteins@net.bio.net Tue Dec 07 22:00:00 1993
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From: przemko@reks.uia.ac.be (Przemko)
Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.proteins
Subject: Secreted proteins
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Hi!
Can anyone tell me what % of proteins in an eukaryotic cell
is actually secreted and membrane bound?
Depending on the source it could be 3% or 50%. But, all these
numbers come from textbooks and I cannot find a paper (yeah, yeah
I treid Medline...) where authors would actually try to 
quantify this distribution. Related to that would be what
part of polysomes is membrane bound and what part not.
I will greatly appreciate any insight and/or refs.
I need it because I wonder if it is worthwhile to separate
membrane-bound polysomes to enrich my library for secreted proteins
or will that enrichement be to small to bother.
ThanX
Przemko

From owner-proteins@net.bio.net Tue Dec 07 22:00:00 1993
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From: fdcreina@quim.iq.usp.br
Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.proteins
Subject: crystal structure EDTA EGTA
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Where can I get the coordinates for the crystal structure of
EDTA, EGTA, EDTA-Ca, EGTA-Ca and EDTA-Mg ? Is there a way to 
do a ftp transfer from the Cambridge Structural Database?

Thanks for the help.

From owner-proteins@net.bio.net Tue Dec 07 22:00:00 1993
Path: biosci!ccs.carleton.ca!hmehrani
From: hmehrani@ccs.carleton.ca (HOSSEIN MEHRANI)
Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.proteins
Subject: Doctoral position in Brazil, USP (fwd)
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HOSSEIN MEHRANI writes:
From BIOSCI-REQUEST@net.bio.net Wed Dec  8 02:47:18 1993
From: hmehrani@ccs.carleton.ca (HOSSEIN MEHRANI)
Message-Id: <9312080558.AA26340@alfred.ccs.carleton.ca>
Subject: Doctoral position in Brazil, USP
To: BIOSCI-REQUEST@net.bio.net
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From owner-proteins@net.bio.net Tue Dec 07 22:00:00 1993
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From: robison1@husc10.harvard.edu (Keith Robison)
Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.proteins
Subject: Re: Internal repeats
Message-ID: <robison1.755382044@husc10>
Date: 8 Dec 93 20:20:44 GMT
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"Bob Lauder" <bsa016@cent1.lancs.ac.uk> writes:


>Hi,

> I have a protein, X, which contains a motif repeated several times within
>the amino acid sequence.  I also have the sequence of a couple of other 
>proteins, Y and Z, which share this internally repeated motif.

> What I'm after is the best way to find any other sequences which have 
>this repeated motif.  It is a fairly short motif NxxNxNxxNxxN but is repeated
>several (>9) times within a sequence of ~300aa.  A search for the repeated motif
>is probably is not the best way.  So, any advice and suggestions, welcome.

Most sequence analysis packages have some sort of regular expression
matching program -- the one in GCG is called FINDPATTERNS.  There
is also a freely available version of grep for sequences -- you
should be able to find it using the software listing on the
GDB gopher (gopher.gdb.org).  You might also try browsing through
SeqAnalRef on said gopher for other ftp-able pattern matching programs.

Once you have found such a program, just ask it to find repeats of
your pattern!  For example, with FINDPATTERNS the pattern would be:

	(NxxNxNxxNxxN){2,}

to match all things with at least two tandem copies of your repeat,
and

	(NxxNxNxxNxxN)x{2,}(NxxNxNxxNxxN)

to find two copies of your repeat with a variable length spacer. (
There's probably a more elegant way to write this one -- but 
this should be  a working pattern).  
Once the pattern is defined, a typical workstation can search the protein
databases in less than half a day.

Enjoy!

Keith Robison
Harvard University
Department of Cellular and Developmental Biology
Department of Genetics / HHMI

krobison@nucleus.harvard.edu 

From owner-proteins@net.bio.net Tue Dec 07 22:00:00 1993
Path: biosci!relay.the.net!SHAUN%JASON.DECNET
From: SHAUN%JASON.DECNET@relay.the.net ("Shaun D. Black")
Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.proteins
Subject: "Protein Folding"
Message-ID: <01H68YBGTM0200140P@nic.the.net>
Date: 9 Dec 93 01:34:14 GMT
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Colleagues-
     Forgive the re-post if this actually made it to "Proteins", but our 
mailer has been on the blink lately and I have had no replies.  

>Dear Colleagues,
>     I am curious as to your comments on Tom Creighton's book, "Protein 
>Folding" (W.H. Freeman, 1992).  Which chapters were well written?  Did it 
>cover the folding problem accurately as of the time of publication?  I am
>specially curious about your thoughts on the Introduction (chapter 1).  
>Thanks for taking a few minutes to reply.  I will summarize responses; this 
>may perhaps generate some interesting topics for discussion.  Cheers, Shaun
>  =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 
>  = Shaun D. Black, PhD     | Internet:  shaun%jason.decnet@relay.the.net = 
>  = Dept. of Biochemistry   | University of Texas Health Center, at Tyler = 
>  =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 

From owner-proteins@net.bio.net Wed Dec 08 22:00:00 1993
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From: andrewh@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Andrew Hobbs)
Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.proteins
Subject: Re: Secreted proteins
Message-ID: <2e6tuf$omo@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>
Date: 9 Dec 93 10:16:47 GMT
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Przemko (przemko@reks.uia.ac.be) wrote:
: Hi!
: Can anyone tell me what % of proteins in an eukaryotic cell
: is actually secreted and membrane bound?
: Depending on the source it could be 3% or 50%. But, all these
: numbers come from textbooks and I cannot find a paper (yeah, yeah

Hi, Well I can't help you with a published paper but can give some
figures.  Quite a few years ago I found that about 90% of the ribosomes
in rat mammary glands were in the form of membrane bound polysomes
synthesising milk proteins.  In the liver it was more like 30-40% were
membrane bound.   But both are very active in protein secretion.  Surely
both of the figures given above (3% and 50%) could be correct depending
upon the cells or tissue involved.  As for enriching libraries by
posylsome purification, I certainly wouldn't try.  Apart from anything
else, the inevitable breakdown due to ribonuclease, means your cDNA
clones will be even more partial than otherwise.  My advice is forget it.  

Andrew Hobbs
Biochemistry
University of Western Australia
andrewh@uniwa.uwa.edu.au


: I treid Medline...) where authors would actually try 
: quantify this distribution. Related to that would be what
: part of polysomes is membrane bound and what part not.
: I will greatly appreciate any insight and/or refs.
: I need it because I wonder if it is worthwhile to separate
: membrane-bound polysomes to enrich my library for secreted proteins
: or will that enrichement be to small to bother.
: ThanX
: Przemko

From owner-proteins@net.bio.net Wed Dec 08 22:00:00 1993
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From: pongor@genes.icgeb.trieste.it (Sandor Pongor)
Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.proteins
Subject: Mail server for protein functional domain homologies - ICGEB Trieste
Keywords: mail server, molecular biology, protein domains, sequences
Message-ID: <1993Dec9.100801.22225@genes.icgeb.trieste.it>
Date: 9 Dec 93 10:08:01 GMT
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        SS   BBB      A      SS   EEEE      H   H  EEEE L    PPP  
       S  S  B  B    A A    S  S  E         H   H  E    L    P  P 
       S     B B    A   A   S     E         H   H  E    L    P  P 
        S    BB     AAAAA    S    EEE       HHHHH  EEE  L    PPP  
         S   B B    A   A     S   E         H   H  E    L    P    
          S  B  B   A   A      S  E         H   H  E    L    P    
      S   S  B  B   A   A  S   S  E         H   H  E    L    P    
       SSS   BBB    A   A   SSS   EEEE      H   H  EEEE LLLL P    

              ----------------------------------
     This is the help file of the SBASE Email Server at the
International Centre for Genetic Engineering and Biotechnology
     AREA Science Park, Padriciano 99, 34012 Trieste, Italy.
              ----------------------------------

The SBASE Email Server is at present experimental. Please send comments 
          to sbase-comment@icgeb.trieste.it. Thanks.


The SBASE e-mail server accepts a specially formatted mail message
containing a protein query sequence, and, as a response, it sends the list
of the most probable domain homologies. A database search is performed 
against the SBASE library of protein domains using the BLAST algorithm, 
and the search results, provided with annotations, are returned in a mail 
message.


How to use:

Getting HELP:
============

This help file can be gotten by sending an email to

    	    sbase@icgeb.trieste.it

containing the word HELP alone in the first line of the message body.

Making a QUERY:
===============

Send e-mail to sbase@icgeb.trieste.it using the below example

Note: the parameters before the token BEGIN are optional, (here the 
defaults are listed), the lines after BEGIN are required.

Example:

MATRIX PAM120
SCORE PARAMETER 35
ANNOTATIONS YES
BEGIN
> mysequence
LRNGVDINTCNQNGLNGLHLASKEGHVKMVVELLHKEIILETTTKKGNTALHIAALAGQDEVVRELVNYG
GLNGLHLASKEGHVKMVVELLHKEIILETTTKKGNTALHIAALAGQDEVVRELVNYG


Response time
=============

Requests are handled immediately, in serial order. At present, response
time is quite short and is restricted by the network load rather than CPU
availability. Please note that large output files, such as sometimes occur
with very short query sequences, may need a long time to traverse the net.

Evaluation of the output:
=========================

The output of the server are BLAST search results against the SBASE 
protein domain library. The output file contains the BLAST search
results, organized as follows:

1) List of the best scoring domain entries. As SBASE entries are named 
by domain names (function, structure, etc.), this list already may give 
some information on the expected domain composition.

2) List of alignments. For each SBASE entry you will find the complete 
annotation of the domain, followed by one (or several) alignments with 
(different parts of) the query. If one domain is found several times in 
your query, you may find several alignments with the same or related 
entries at different parts of the query. Please note that it depends on the 
score parameter whether or not you see all the alignments. Do not use very 
low cutoff values because that results in prohibitively long output 
files. (For the time being, we have set the default cutoff to 35 and 
the minimum cutoff to 30).

3) Run statistics. This is usually not essential for the evaluation of 
the results; you can get a complete description of these and other blast 
parameters by sending a HELP message to blast.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Important: Failure to see a homology with a known domain may be due to 
several reasons: i) The domain type is not (yet) included in the SBASE 
domain library; ii) The threshold score parameter was set too high for the 
domain to be detected; iii) A different scoring matrix may be necessary in 
order to detect the alignment with the domain type in question. In the present 
experimental version of the SBASE server we support only the matrices used 
by BLAST; "customized matrices" will be added later to the final version.

Papers to reference in reporting results:
=========================================

Pongor, S., Skerl, V., Cserzo, M. and Hatsagi, Z., Simon, G. and 
Bevilacqua, V. (1992): The SBASE domain library release 2.0&  A 
collection of annotated protein sequence segments, Nucleic Acids. Res , 
21, 311-315

Altschul, Stephen F., Warren Gish, Webb Miller, Eugene W. Myers,
and David J. Lipman (1990) Basic local alignment search tool J. Mol. 
Biol. 215:403-410.

Software availability
=====================

The Sbase database is available by anonymous ftp at
ftp.icgeb.trieste.it:/pub/sbase2

The blast software is available by anonymous ftp at
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:/pub/


Protection of your sequence data
================================

The query sequences are not stored in any form. 

Further info:
=============

Server functions:   Zsolt Hatsagi 
                    <hatsagi@icgeb.trieste.it> 
                    Tel: +39-40-3757342

                    Valeria Bevilacqua, systems manager
                    (valeria@icgeb.trieste.it)
                    Tel.: +39-40-3757330

General info:       Sandor Pongor
                    <pongor@icgeb.trieste.it>
                    Tel: +39-40-3757300

FAX:                +39-40-226-555

Mail:	    	    International Centre for Genetic Engineering
    	    	    and Biotechnology
    	    	    AREA Science Park, Padriciano 99
    	    	    34012 Trieste, Italy

From owner-proteins@net.bio.net Wed Dec 08 22:00:00 1993
Path: biosci!UNCVX1.OIT.UNC.EDU!KORTE
From: KORTE@UNCVX1.OIT.UNC.EDU (JOHN)
Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.proteins
Subject: signal seq programs
Message-ID: <01H69ZIXHV9E001B45@UNCVX1.OIT.UNC.EDU>
Date: 9 Dec 93 18:23:19 GMT
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Greetings,
     Does anyone have or know of a program that will allow me to predict the
signal sequence polypeptides?  I tried one on genbank called "ALOM" is there a
better one perhaps?  Or is there one witten for Macs or PC's?
			Thanks in advance,
				John Korte....

From owner-proteins@net.bio.net Wed Dec 08 22:00:00 1993
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From: lally@biochem.dental.upenn.edu (Ned Lally)
Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.proteins
Subject: HELP:Nagase
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Date: 9 Dec 93 18:54:57 GMT
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I need help with the full name, address, phone and or fax number of Nagase ??,
a Tokyo based Japanese chemical firm (I assume).
Thanks
bye,
Ned 
 
    _/_/_/_/   _/_/_/_/   _/    _/   _/    _/   Edward T. Lally
   _/    _/   _/         _/_/  _/   _/_/  _/    lally@biochem.dental.upenn.edu
  _/_/_/_/   _/_/_/     _/ _/ _/   _/ _/ _/     (215)898-5913|FAX(215)573-2050
 _/         _/         _/  _/_/   _/  _/_/      The University of Pennsylvania
_/         _/_/_/_/   _/    _/   _/    _/       (Not Penn State)   

From owner-proteins@net.bio.net Wed Dec 08 22:00:00 1993
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From: paul-b@molbio.cbs.umn.edu (Paul Bucciaglia)
Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.methds-reagnts,bionet.molbio.proteins
Subject: electrophoresis of plant proteins
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Hello folks,

I have been unhappy with the results of my plant  protein PAGE gels for
some time now and am looking for some suggestions.  Let me start by stating
what is working--electrophoresis of bacterial extracts or even pelleted cells
or bugs straight out of culture boiled in loading buffer and electrophoresed
on 4 --> 20 % gradient gels.  this results in a crisp banding pattern when
the gels are staine with Coomassie.  

I have been less succesful with protien extracts from leaves or stamens
of tobacco.  Usually I grind the tissue under lN2 in a mortar and pestle
and add the frozen powder to tris (200mM pH 7.8) plus 14mM beta mercapto 
ethanol.  The extracts are microcetrifuged and the supers removed to another tube.  I add an equal amonunt of 2x load buffer (current proteocals in
mol. biol recipe), boil 3', cool and load 10-20 microliters/well under
the same buffer conditions that work great for bacterial proteins.
   
The resulting gels lack the resolution and sharpness that I see in proteins
from bacteria run under the same conditons on the same gels.

So any suggestions?  do I need to further purify my crude extracts of
plant tissue?  Are there any compounds which might cause the smearing
and lack of resolution that I see in plant extracts? Any thoughts would
be appreciated.

paul bucciaglia

From owner-proteins@net.bio.net Wed Dec 08 22:00:00 1993
Path: biosci!FOX.CCE.USP.BR!szeinfel
From: szeinfel@FOX.CCE.USP.BR (Rafael N Szeinfeld)
Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.proteins
Subject: Re: "Protein Folding"
Message-ID: <Pine.3.85.9312090907.A16266-0100000@fox.cce.usp.br>
Date: 9 Dec 93 11:19:07 GMT
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On 8 Dec 1993, Shaun D. Black wrote:

> Colleagues-
>      Forgive the re-post if this actually made it to "Proteins", but our 
> mailer has been on the blink lately and I have had no replies.  
> 
> >Dear Colleagues,
> >     I am curious as to your comments on Tom Creighton's book, "Protein 
> >Folding" (W.H. Freeman, 1992).  Which chapters were well written?  Did it 
> >cover the folding problem accurately as of the time of publication?  I am
> >specially curious about your thoughts on the Introduction (chapter 1).  
> >Thanks for taking a few minutes to reply.  I will summarize responses; this 
> >may perhaps generate some interesting topics for discussion.  Cheers, Shaun
> >  =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 
> >  = Shaun D. Black, PhD     | Internet:  shaun%jason.decnet@relay.the.net = 
> >  = Dept. of Biochemistry   | University of Texas Health Center, at Tyler = 
> >  =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 
> 
	Hi Shaun,
	I'm begining to read it now but I already read the first chapter. 
I though interesting the non-biologist aproach he used as usualy people 
deal with the subject mainly when he talks about some concepts on polymer 
chemistry.

		rafael najmanovich
		szeinfel@fox.cce.usp.br


From owner-proteins@net.bio.net Thu Dec 09 22:00:00 1993
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From: maveyrau@ecstasy.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Laurent Maveyraud)
Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.proteins
Subject: Protein Concentration ?
Message-ID: <2eapkr$1qa@reseau.cict.fr>
Date: 10 Dec 93 21:27:55 GMT
Sender: maveyrau@ecstasy (Laurent Maveyraud)
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We have a problem about protein concentration determination. We have a pure protein, but we are unable to determine its concentration by usual methods (optical density at 280nm and Bradford assays).

Can anybody give us references about other methods to determine protein concentration, or any suppliers which can provide us with this kind of kit (european address will be more usefull, but send whatever you can).

I would prefer any answer by direct e-mail. If anybody is interested, I will put a summary on this list.

Many thanks


Laurent Maveyraud, Groupe de cristallographie du LPTF, CNRS
maveyrau@cemes.fr

From owner-proteins@net.bio.net Thu Dec 09 22:00:00 1993
Path: biosci!bcm!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!news.claremont.edu!nntp-server.caltech.edu!robin
From: robin@cco.caltech.edu (Robert C. Colgrove)
Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.proteins
Subject: Re: signal seq programs
Message-ID: <2ea6mc$f5m@gap.cco.caltech.edu>
Date: 10 Dec 93 16:04:28 GMT
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KORTE@UNCVX1.OIT.UNC.EDU (JOHN) writes:

>Greetings,
>     Does anyone have or know of a program that will allow me to predict the
>signal sequence polypeptides?  I tried one on genbank called "ALOM" is there a
>better one perhaps?  Or is there one witten for Macs or PC's?
>			Thanks in advance,
>				John Korte....

I posted a C program that implements the von Heijne algorithm a while back.
If there is enough interest I will repost or if there is a convenient archive
we can put it there.
cheers
robin
colgrove@xtal10.harvard.edu

From owner-proteins@net.bio.net Thu Dec 09 22:00:00 1993
Path: biosci!MBCMAIL.AB.UMD.EDU!collins
From: collins@MBCMAIL.AB.UMD.EDU (John Collins)
Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.proteins
Subject: protein sequencing lab
Message-ID: <9312101435.A03094@mbcmail.ab.umd.edu>
Date: 10 Dec 93 19:35:05 GMT
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---------------------------------- Forwarded ----------------------------------
From: John Collins
Date: 12/10/93 2:18PM
To: John Collins
Subject: protein sequencing lab
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dear Colleague:

 I would like to call to your attention the availability of the PROTEIN
 SEQUENCING LAB, a core facility of the University of Maryland.

 We offer:    PROTEIN/PEPTIDE SEQUENCING
              AMINO ACID ANALYSIS
              PEPTIDE MAPPING AND PURIFICATION BY HPLC
              IDENTIFICATION OF MODIFIED AMINO ACIDS
              DATABASE HOMOLOGY SEARCHES
              SECONDARY STRUCTURE PREDICTIONS
              HYDROPATHY PROFILES
              CONFIDENTIALITY
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              COLLABORATIONS
              FAST, QUALITY SERVICE
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 Our mailing address is:

                    Dr. John H. Collins
                    Protein Sequencing Lab
                    Dept. of Biological Chemistry
                    Univ. Maryland School of Medicine
                    108 N. Greene St.
                    Baltimore, MD 21201

 For further information contact me, the lab director, John H. Collins, Ph.D.,
 Professor of Medical Biotechnology and Biological Chemistry.

                      tel: (410) 706-8102
                      fax: (410) 706-7364
                      e-mail: collins@mbcmail.ab.umd.edu


From owner-proteins@net.bio.net Fri Dec 10 22:00:00 1993
Path: biosci!GPU.SRV.UALBERTA.CA!ghawkins
From: ghawkins@GPU.SRV.UALBERTA.CA (Glen Hawkins)
Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.proteins
Subject: Re: Protein Concentration ?
Message-ID: <Pine.3.87.9312111110.A10744-0100000@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>
Date: 11 Dec 93 18:42:10 GMT
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On 10 Dec 1993, Laurent Maveyraud wrote:

> Date: 10 Dec 93 21:27:55 GMT
> From: Laurent Maveyraud <maveyrau@ecstasy.NoSubdomain.NoDomain>
> To: proteins@net.bio.net
> Subject: Protein Concentration ?
> 
> 
> We have a problem about protein concentration determination. We have a pure protein, but we are unable to determine its concentration by usual methods (optical density at 280nm and Bradford assays).
> 
> Can anybody give us references about other methods to determine protein concentration, or any suppliers which can provide us with this kind of kit (european address will be more usefull, but send whatever you can).
> 
> I would prefer any answer by direct e-mail. If anybody is interested, I will put a summary on this list.
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> 
> Laurent Maveyraud, Groupe de cristallographie du LPTF, CNRS
> maveyrau@cemes.fr
> 
> 
check methods in enzymology vol 182.  This list several different methods 
in determining protein concentration such as; absorbance @ 205 nm.


From owner-proteins@net.bio.net Sun Dec 12 22:00:00 1993
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From: LESZEK@BIOMED.UIO.NO (Leszek Kleczkowski)
Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.proteins
Subject: Re: plastid transit peptide program?
Date: 13 Dec 1993 15:35:49 GMT
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In-Reply-To: LESZEK@BIOMED.UIO.NO's message of 13 Dec 1993 15:31:37 GMT

In <2ei1sp$bsh@hermod.uio.no> LESZEK@BIOMED.UIO.NO writes:

Sorry for my messed-up previous message.  The correct one is:

I just wonder whether anybody can recommend a computer program for
recognition of transit peptide sequence for nuclear-encoded plastid-based
plant proteins (based on cDNA-derived amino acid sequence).
 
 Thanx
 
 Leszek

From owner-proteins@net.bio.net Sun Dec 12 22:00:00 1993
Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.proteins
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From: przemko@reks.uia.ac.be (Przemko)
Subject: Re: signal seq programs
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In article <2ea6mc$f5m@gap.cco.caltech.edu> robin@cco.caltech.edu (Robert C. Colgrove) writes:
>KORTE@UNCVX1.OIT.UNC.EDU (JOHN) writes:
>
>>Greetings,
>>     Does anyone have or know of a program that will allow me to predict the
>>signal sequence polypeptides?  I tried one on genbank called "ALOM" is there a
>>better one perhaps?  Or is there one witten for Macs or PC's?
>>			Thanks in advance,
>>				John Korte....
>
>I posted a C program that implements the von Heijne algorithm a while back.
>If there is enough interest I will repost or if there is a convenient archive
>we can put it there.
>cheers
>robin
>colgrove@xtal10.harvard.edu
>
Yes, please put it somwhere. It is not for Win, by any chance?
ThanX
Przemko

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From: LESZEK@BIOMED.UIO.NO (Leszek Kleczkowski)
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recognition of transit peptide sequence for nuclear-encoded plastid-based
plant proteins (based on cDNA-derived amino acid sequence).

Thanx

Leszek

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From: spp@aber.ac.uk (Simon Peter Penson)
Subject: Plant sucrase antibody  
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I'm trying to find ouy if there is an antibody to plant
sucrase proteins (specifically wheat or barley). Alternatively,
does anyone know of a bacterial antibody exists?


Cheers
Simon Penson.

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Subject: Re: Protein Concentration ?
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In reply to the message Laurent Maveyraud sent:

> Date: 10 Dec 93 21:27:55 GMT
> From: Laurent Maveyraud <maveyrau@ecstasy.NoSubdomain.NoDomain>
> To: proteins@net.bio.net
> Subject: Protein Concentration ?
> 
> 
> We have a problem about protein concentration determination. We have a pure 
> protein, but we are unable to determine its concentration by usual methods 
> (optical density at 280nm and Bradford assays).
.............(Stuff deleted)

Other possibilities would be to try the Biuret method, the Lowry procedure or
bicinchoninic acid method (Smith et al., (1985) Analytical Biochem. 150, 76 ff.

Protocols for these methods can be found in the Practical Approach series book
"Protein Purification Methods" edited by E.L.V. Harris and S. Angal (1989)
from IRL Press.

Andrew Wallace, IRBM P. Angeletti, Pomezia, Italy <wallace@irbm.it>

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From: James.F.X.Wellehan@dartmouth.edu (Jim Wellehan)
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Sorry for posting, but I tried to mail you & it bounced.  Acinetobacter
calcoaceticus is a gram-negative coccobacillus.

Jim

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In article <2ehida$lth@mserv1.dl.ac.uk> "Andrew, Tel. +39-6-91093434" <WALLACE@IRBM.IT> writes:
   In reply to the message Laurent Maveyraud sent:

   > Date: 10 Dec 93 21:27:55 GMT
   > From: Laurent Maveyraud <maveyrau@ecstasy.NoSubdomain.NoDomain>
   > To: proteins@net.bio.net
   > Subject: Protein Concentration ?
   > 
   > 
   > We have a problem about protein concentration determination. We have a pure 
   > protein, but we are unable to determine its concentration by usual methods 
   > (optical density at 280nm and Bradford assays).
   .............(Stuff deleted)

How about having an amino acid analysis done?  At MIT this costs $25
and is a pretty accurate way of measuring the concentration of your
protein.  Of course, you wouldn't want to use this every day, but it
is certainly a nice way of calibrating whatever spectophotometric
based assay you settle on. (This assumes you have enough to waste on
aaa, but it doesn't really take THAT much to do it).
--
       David Resnick                           dresnick@athena.mit.edu      

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[ Article crossposted from bionet.immunology ]
[ Author was Marc Mouze-Amady ]
[ Posted on 14 Dec 1993 08:47:49 GMT ]

Hello bionetters,
I am looking for references on cytokines excreted into saliva.
Any help would be appreciated.Thanks in advance.
Marc.


+=======================================================+
+ Marc MOUZE-AMADY PhD         + Voice : 33-83.50.20.00 +
+ I.N.R.S.                     +         ext. 25.28     +
+ Environ. Physiol. dept.      +========================+
+ Occupational Physiol. lab.   + Fax   : 33-83.50.20.19 +
+ B.P. 27                      +         33-83.50.20.97 +
+ F-54501 Vandoeuvre cedex     +========================+
+ FRANCE                       + E.mail: mouze@inrs.fr  +
+=======================================================+
.......................................................

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Subject: Re: NDOWName a clone?
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In article <CHuC65.Jzp@news2.cis.umn.edu>, paul-b@molbio.cbs.umn.edu (Paul Bucciaglia) writes:
>>In article <9312092255.AA14481@fraser.sfu.ca>, peijunz@sfu.ca writes:
>>> Hi netters,
>>> When you got a clone (cDNA clone or genomic DNA clone), you need to
>>> name it. I was wondering if there is any rule to do this. I recently got
>>> a cDNA clone of cysteine proteinase from wheat (my insert is in
>>> pBluescript). What name could I give to my clone?
>>> 
>>Why not pPZ... Lots of people name their clone after themselves!
>>
>>Iain Wilson
>>iwilson@molbiol.ox.ac.uk
> 
> No flame/malice/busting intended but it is much more informative if you
> give the clone a name which reflects its function, expresion pattter etc.
> I am not very imaginative but you could do something like "cpw" for
> "Cysteine Proteinase from Wheat" or "cyp" for "CYsteine Proteinase".
> Others may have better suggestions; its just more helpful to the reader
> of a paper if they can connect the name of your clone to something
> biologically relevant.
> 
> paul bucciaglia
> 
Back in the seventies and early eighties, there actually was a cataloguing of
plasmid names that used two and three letter codes followed by a number. E. g.
pMF1...2...3 which, of course, stood for Mayo Foundation.  Esther Lederberg at
Stanford used to keep this list.  Since there weren't many two letter codes
left, I took "OW" which gave my plasmid, cDNA, and viral DNA's pOW, cOW, and
vOW #'s.  Cute, uh? :-\

I believe in the descriptive idea however, and unless they get mixed up in the
lab can be very helpful in calling to mind constructions that may be several
years old, especially if they led to publication.

I usually describe the most important part, the insert, with a series of
plasmids that have a particular promoter, or signal sequence, or ... .  

By all means, be creative!!!

JIm Miller
Lilly Research Labs

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From: spp@aber.ac.uk (Simon Peter Penson)
Subject: RE: Electrophoresis of plant proteins
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Seeing as several people seem to have had problems when changing
form microbes to the real world of plants [;-)], I thought I'd
chip in.

I regularly run gels (native and sds) on a variety of plant protein preps.
The best way to avoid horrible contaminats is to desalt the protein
prior to electrophoresis. I use the Biorad gels (eg P6-DG) in syringe
barrels as spin-desalting columns. Works a treat!

Simon Penson. 


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From: yduroche@popserver.ens-lyon.fr (Yves Durocher)
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Subject: Removing nucleic acids from protein samples
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        Is there a simple method to efficiently remove nucleic acids from
[SDS-PAGE sample buffer]-solubilized cells? I have a lot of problems to see
high molecular weight proteins after SDS-PAGE because of smears probably
due to DNA and RNA. To method should remove as little as possible proteins
from the sample.
Thanks in advance...
Yves Durocher


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Subject: Re: Pre-staining of MW markers
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Sigma has a set of prestained markers which have been shown to migrate at 26,36,48,58,84,116,and180 kDa.  We find them very accurate and easy to use...

It is called SDS-7B.

Chris



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From: genecutl@mendel.Berkeley.EDU ( Gene Cutler)
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In article <2eksaj$d0v@mserv1.dl.ac.uk>,
Yves Durocher <yduroche@popserver.ens-lyon.fr> wrote:
>        Is there a simple method to efficiently remove nucleic acids from
>[SDS-PAGE sample buffer]-solubilized cells? I have a lot of problems to see
>high molecular weight proteins after SDS-PAGE because of smears probably
>due to DNA and RNA. To method should remove as little as possible proteins
>from the sample.
>Thanks in advance...
>Yves Durocher
>


		Polyamine P precipitation.  It precipitates nucleic acids
(and anything bound to them) while leaving proteins alone.


		(I don't have a protocol, though, so this is as much as I
can help you)







-gc

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From: millertj@esvx17.es.dupont.com (Thomas Miller, Dupont, Wilm, DE)
Subject: Porton / Beckman protein sequencer users
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I am interested in compiling a  list of Porton / Beckman protein sequencer
users.  If you would like to be included, please send e-mail to

millertj@esvax.dnet.dupont.com   .     

There are no commercial overtones to this request.  I just thought we could 
get an informal group together to talk shop, techniques, complaints, etc.   
I am not aware of anything like this being formed.   Thank you. Tom.  

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Subject: BASIC CHITINASE ANTIBODY ?
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 Hello all :

	I'm looking for a basic chitinase antibody which might cross
react with extracellular proteins I am purifying from plant tissue culture 
extracts of chinese cucumber. I'd appreciate any information or leads to a
source for the above.

thanks in advance

Nishant
email :nbhatia@ucdavis.edu


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From: robin@cco.caltech.edu (Robert C. Colgrove)
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Hi bionetters.
I got so many requests for the signal sequence program I mentioned
that I will repost it. Feel free to use, distribute or archive. Just
send me email if you do and cite the program as, "Colgrove, RC, PhD
Dissertation, UCSF dept of Biochemistry, 1990."

This program implements the Von Heijne algorithm to find potential signal
sequences (reference is at the end of the code). It does a very good job
at finding real signals, even internal and atypical signals. I have used it
to:
	-provide evidence that some newly cloned gene encode a secreted protein
	-identify weak of unusual internal signal sequences
	-identify mutations that would likely affect secretion 
	-examine the statistical distribution of signal sequences in real
		protein sequences and in random sequences.

The program with called with no arguments prints the matrices used and the
Von Heijne reference. With one argument, it reads that argument as a file
name containing a one-letter amino acid code and prints to the standard 
output one line for each residue showing the residue number, the one-letter
code, and a score for how likely a peptidase site that position would be.
At the last line, it prints the position of the best site and its score and
tells whether it is a likely signal. To plot a graph of the scores, calling
the program with an extra dummy argument (eg signal filename dummyarg) produces
output that can be piped to UNIX plot and graph. For example the script:

signal $1 s > infile
graph -l "signal sequence profile for "$1 < infile | plot -T4014 > outfile
cat outfile
rm infile outfile

makes a nice graph of the signal sequence profile ofthe filename given in $1.
I have also included the code for a variant of the program, signal.filtered,
which prints a zero score for all poor signal positions. This produces a much
prettier graph where only the signals show up as clean spikes.
	I have only run these programs on UNIX machine but the C code should
be portable to anything. Good luck and by all means let me know if you find
these useful.

-robin
RC Colgrove
colgrove@xtal10.harvard.edu

::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
signal.c
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

#include <stdio.h>
#include <math.h>
#define aminotype "ACDEFGHIKLMNPQRSTVWY"
#define SAMPLE 450
#define seqfile argv[1]
float expect[] = {14.5,4.5,8.9,10.0,5.6,12.1,3.4,7.4,11.3,12.1,
                  2.7,7.1,7.4,6.3,7.6,11.4,9.7,11.1,1.8,5.6};
float freq[20][15] =
        {       16,13,14,15,20,18,18,17,25,15,47,6,80,18,6,
                3,6,9,7,9,14,6,8,5,6,19,3,9,8,3,
                0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,5,3,0,5,0,10,11,
                0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,3,7,0,7,0,13,14,
                13,9,11,11,6,7,18,13,4,5,0,13,0,6,4,
                4,4,3,6,3,13,3,2,19,34,5,7,39,10,7,
                0,0,0,0,0,1,1,0,5,0,0,6,0,4,2,
                15,15,8,6,11,5,4,8,5,1,10,5,0,8,7,
                0,0,0,1,0,0,1,0,0,4,0,2,0,11,9,
                71,68,72,79,78,45,64,49,10,23,8,20,1,8,4,
                0,3,7,4,1,6,2,2,0,0,0,1,0,1,2,
                0,1,0,1,1,0,0,0,3,3,0,10,0,4,7,
                2,0,2,0,0,4,1,8,20,14,0,1,3,0,22,
                0,0,0,1,0,6,1,0,10,8,0,18,3,19,10,
                2,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,7,4,0,15,0,12,9,
                9,3,8,6,13,10,15,16,26,11,23,17,20,15,10,
                2,10,5,4,5,13,7,7,12,6,17,8,6,3,10,
                20,25,15,18,13,15,11,27,0,12,32,3,0,8,17,
                4,3,3,1,1,2,5,3,1,3,0,9,0,2,0,
                0,1,4,0,0,1,3,1,1,2,0,5,0,1,7   };
main(argc,argv)
int argc;
char *argv[];
{
        int i,j,k,shift;
        float weight[20][15],score[1000],max;
        FILE *fp, *fopen();
        char c, seqbuff[15];
        if(argc==1)
        {
                printf("\n\t\tSIGNAL SEQUENCE FINDER\n");
                printf("\n\nFREQUENCY MATRIX\n\n");
                printf("\t");
                for(i=0;i<16;i++)
                {
                        if(i>3) printf(" ");
                        if(i>12) printf(" ");
                        if(i==13) i++;
                        printf("%d ",i-13);
                }
                printf("\tEXPECT\n\n");
                for(j=0;j<20;j++)
                {
                        printf("%c\t",aminotype[j]);
                        for(i=0;i<15;i++) printf(" %2.0f ",freq[j][i]);
                        printf("\t%4.1f\n",expect[j]);
                }
        }
        for(j=0;j<20;j++)
        {
                for(i=0;i<15;i++)
                {
                        if(freq[j][i]==0)
                        {
                                freq[j][i]=1;
                                if(i==10||i==12) freq[j][i]=expect[j]/SAMPLE;
                        }
                        weight[j][i]=log(freq[j][i]/expect[j]);
                }
        }
        if(argc==1)
        {
                printf("\n\nWEIGHT MATRIX (x 100)\n\n");
                printf("  ");
                for(i=0;i<16;i++)
                {
                        if(i>3) printf(" ");
                        if(i>12) printf(" ");
                        if(i==13) i++;
                        printf("  %d",i-13);
                }
                printf("\n\n");
                for(j=0;j<20;j++)
                {
                        printf("%c  ",aminotype[j]);
                        for(i=0;i<15;i++) printf("%4.0f ",100*(weight[j][i]));
                        printf("\n");
                }
           printf("\nmethod from: Gunnar von Heijne, NAR 14, p.4683, 1986\n");
        }
        if(argc!=1)
        {
                if((fp=fopen(seqfile,"r"))==NULL) printf("no such file\n");
                if(argc==2)
        printf("\n\nSCORE PROFILE of %s\n\ncleave\tscore\tresidue\n\n",seqfile);
                while((c=getc(fp))!=EOF&&c!=NULL)
                {
                        if(c==' '||c=='\t'||c=='\n') continue;
                        seqbuff[14]=c;
                        for(i=0;i<15;i++)
                         for(j=0;j<20;j++)
                          if(seqbuff[i]==aminotype[j]) score[k] += weight[j][i];
                         if(score[k]>max)
                        {
                                max=score[k];
                                shift=k;
                        }
                        printf("%d\t%4.2f",k-1,score[k]);
                        if(argc==2) printf("\t%c",seqbuff[12]);
                        printf("\n");
                        for(i=0;i<14;i++) seqbuff[i]=seqbuff[i+1];
                        k++;
                }
        if(argc==2)
          {
           printf("\nmax score is %4.2f, cleaved after res %d\n\n",max,shift-1);
                 if(max<0.0) printf("improbable signal sequence\n");
           if(max>=0.0&&max<5.0) printf("possible but ambiguous signal\n");
           if(max>=5.0&&max<10.0) printf("probable signal sequence\n");
           if(max>=10.0) printf("highly probable signal sequence\n");
          }
        }
}


::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::;;;
signal.filtered.c
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 


#include <stdio.h>
#include <math.h>
#define aminotype "ACDEFGHIKLMNPQRSTVWY"
#define SAMPLE 450
#define seqfile argv[1]
float expect[] = {14.5,4.5,8.9,10.0,5.6,12.1,3.4,7.4,11.3,12.1,
                  2.7,7.1,7.4,6.3,7.6,11.4,9.7,11.1,1.8,5.6};
float freq[20][15] =
        {       16,13,14,15,20,18,18,17,25,15,47,6,80,18,6,
                3,6,9,7,9,14,6,8,5,6,19,3,9,8,3,
                0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,5,3,0,5,0,10,11,
                0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,3,7,0,7,0,13,14,
                13,9,11,11,6,7,18,13,4,5,0,13,0,6,4,
                4,4,3,6,3,13,3,2,19,34,5,7,39,10,7,
                0,0,0,0,0,1,1,0,5,0,0,6,0,4,2,
                15,15,8,6,11,5,4,8,5,1,10,5,0,8,7,
                0,0,0,1,0,0,1,0,0,4,0,2,0,11,9,
                71,68,72,79,78,45,64,49,10,23,8,20,1,8,4,
                0,3,7,4,1,6,2,2,0,0,0,1,0,1,2,
                0,1,0,1,1,0,0,0,3,3,0,10,0,4,7,
                2,0,2,0,0,4,1,8,20,14,0,1,3,0,22,
                0,0,0,1,0,6,1,0,10,8,0,18,3,19,10,
                2,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,7,4,0,15,0,12,9,
                9,3,8,6,13,10,15,16,26,11,23,17,20,15,10,
                2,10,5,4,5,13,7,7,12,6,17,8,6,3,10,
                20,25,15,18,13,15,11,27,0,12,32,3,0,8,17,
                4,3,3,1,1,2,5,3,1,3,0,9,0,2,0,
                0,1,4,0,0,1,3,1,1,2,0,5,0,1,7   };
main(argc,argv)
int argc;
char *argv[];
{
        int i,j,k,shift;
        float weight[20][15],score[1000],max;
        FILE *fp, *fopen();
        char c, seqbuff[15];
        if(argc==1)
        {
                printf("\n\t\tSIGNAL SEQUENCE FINDER\n");
                printf("\n\nFREQUENCY MATRIX\n\n");
                printf("\t");
                for(i=0;i<16;i++)
                {
                        if(i>3) printf(" ");
                        if(i>12) printf(" ");
                        if(i==13) i++;
                        printf("%d ",i-13);
                }
                printf("\tEXPECT\n\n");
                for(j=0;j<20;j++)
                {
                        printf("%c\t",aminotype[j]);
                        for(i=0;i<15;i++) printf(" %2.0f ",freq[j][i]);
                        printf("\t%4.1f\n",expect[j]);
                }
        }
        for(j=0;j<20;j++)
        {
                for(i=0;i<15;i++)
                {
                        if(freq[j][i]==0)
                        {
                                freq[j][i]=1;
                                if(i==10||i==12) freq[j][i]=expect[j]/SAMPLE;
                        }
                        weight[j][i]=log(freq[j][i]/expect[j]);
                }
        }
        if(argc==1)
        {
                printf("\n\nWEIGHT MATRIX (x 100)\n\n");
                printf("  ");
                for(i=0;i<16;i++)
                {
                        if(i>3) printf(" ");
                        if(i>12) printf(" ");
                        if(i==13) i++;
                        printf("  %d",i-13);
                }
                printf("\n\n");
                for(j=0;j<20;j++)
                {
                        printf("%c  ",aminotype[j]);
                        for(i=0;i<15;i++) printf("%4.0f ",100*(weight[j][i]));
                        printf("\n");
                }
           printf("\nmethod from: Gunnar von Heijne, NAR 14, p.4683, 1986\n");
        }
        if(argc!=1)
        {
                if((fp=fopen(seqfile,"r"))==NULL) printf("no such file\n");
                if(argc==2)
        printf("\n\nSCORE PROFILE of %s\n\ncleave\tscore\tresidue\n\n",seqfile);
                while((c=getc(fp))!=EOF&&c!=NULL)
                {
                        if(c==' '||c=='\t'||c=='\n') continue;
                        seqbuff[14]=c;
                        for(i=0;i<15;i++)
                         for(j=0;j<20;j++)
                          if(seqbuff[i]==aminotype[j]) score[k] += weight[j][i];
                        if(score[k]>max)
                        {
                                max=score[k];
                                shift=k;
                        }
                        if(k>1)
                        {
                          if(argc>2&&score[k]<0)
                                printf("%d\t0",k-1);
                          else
                          {
                                if(argc>2) printf("%4.2f\t0\n",k-1.25);
                                printf("%d\t%4.2f", k-1, score[k]);
                                if(argc>2) printf("\n%4.2f\t0",k-0.75);
                          }
                        }
                        if(argc==2) printf("\t%c",seqbuff[12]);
                        printf("\n");
                        for(i=0;i<14;i++) seqbuff[i]=seqbuff[i+1];
                        k++;
                }
          if(argc==2)
          {
           printf("\nmax score is %4.2f, cleaved after res %d\n\n",max,shift-1);
                    if(max<0.0) printf("improbable signal sequence\n");
           if(max>=0.0&&max<5.0) printf("possible but ambiguous signal\n");
           if(max>=5.0&&max<10.0) printf("probable signal sequence\n");
           if(max>=10.0) printf("highly probable signal sequence\n");
          }
          else
          {
           printf("%d\t0\t\" \"\n",k-1);
           printf("%d\t%4.2f\t\<res%d,score%4.2f\>\n",shift-1,max,shift-1,max);
           printf("%d\t2.5\tpossible\n",k);
           printf("%d\t7.5\tprobable\n",k);
           printf("%d\t12.5\tdefinite\n",k);
          }
        }
}

From owner-proteins@net.bio.net Wed Dec 15 22:00:00 1993
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From: "Andrew, Tel. +39-6-91093434" <WALLACE@IRBM.IT>
Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.proteins
Subject: Possible lead on basic chitinase antibody
Date: 16 Dec 1993 08:24:09 -0000
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In article bionet.molbio.proteins Msg # 775, Nishant 
(nbhatia@ucdavis.edu) writes:

>	I'm looking for a basic chitinase antibody which might cross
> react with extracellular proteins I am purifying from plant tissue culture 
> extracts of chinese cucumber. I'd appreciate any information or leads to a
> source for the above.

One possible source might be the group of Fred Meins <meins@moab.fmi.ch> at
the Friedrich Miescher institute in Basel, Switzerland. His people used to
work on basic and acidic chitinases (though in tobacco, I think) and maybe he 
can provide you with material or contacts.

Regards,
Andrew Wallace, IRBM P. Angeletti, Pomezia, Italy

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