From owner-rapd@net.bio.net Fri Dec 02 22:00:00 1994
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Subject: Selection of primers--opinions sought
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Dear Bionetters,
	I have several students here at DSU interested in starting a project using
RAPD on arachnid DNA.  To start things up I thought the most economical approach
would be to purchase a primer set from the individuals at UBC.  Our problem is which
subset the 800 primers UBC is offering should we start with?  Do any of you have
any suggestions with resect to this?  Thanks for any feedback.
				Sincerely,
				Eric



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From owner-rapd@net.bio.net Sat Dec 03 22:00:00 1994
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> To:            rapd@net.bio.net
> From:          e_hugo@dsu1.dsu.nodak.edu (Eric R. Hugo)
> Subject:       Selection of primers--opinions sought
> Date:          Sat, 3 Dec 1994 23:22:02 GMT

> Dear Bionetters,
> 	I have several students here at DSU interested in starting a project using
> RAPD on arachnid DNA.  To start things up I thought the most economical approach
> would be to purchase a primer set from the individuals at UBC.  Our problem is w
> hich
> subset the 800 primers UBC is offering should we start with?  Do any of you have
> any suggestions with resect to this?  Thanks for any feedback.
> 				Sincerely,
> 				Eric

Any set.  They all work.  My personal favorite is set 8 because it is 
a 2- and 3-base set.  All of the primers in the first 7 sets work 
well and we have about a 60-70% success rate for genomes >10^8 bp.  
Set 8 gives more like 90%.  However, by playing with buffer 
concentrations you can even get the 4base primers to work for 90% of 
the primers.  As to the number of bands to expect is genome size and 
base composition dependent.  Your choice depends on what you want to 
do: linkage maps, genetic diversity estimation, or positional 
mapping.


Doug Rhoads                  || Dept. of Biological Sciences
drhoads@mercury.uark.edu     || 601 Science Engineering
drhoads@uafsysb.uark.edu     || University of Arkansas
501-575-3251                 || Fayetteville, AR 72701

From owner-rapd@net.bio.net Sun Dec 04 22:00:00 1994
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From: Andrea Klabouchova <andrea@jcu.cz>
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Hello netters out there!
Does anybody know the strategy of DNA isolation from cyanobacteria 
(especially Synechococcus) for RAPD?
Is there any discussion group on cyanobacteria?
                 Thanks   Andrea
                                   e-mail: andrea@jcu.cz

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From: Andrea Klabouchova <andrea@jcu.cz>
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Hello netters out there!
Does anybody know the strategy of DNA isolation for RAPD?
Is there any special discussion group on cyanobacteria?

                Andrea   e-mail: andrea@jcu.cz

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From: "Jacqueline Vanderstappen" <jacqueline.vanderstap@agr.kuleuven.ac.be>
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Subject: digital storage of RAPD patterns
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Hello,

I would like to analyse my RAPD bands by computer. Therefore I need a system 
which can store the picture in a format (e.g. tiff) used by the computer 
analysis software. I would like to know about your experiences with the 
available systems (scanning or directly storage from a U.V. visualized gel by 
means of a video card). If possible, I would like the addresses of the 
suppliers here in Europe.    

Thank you in advance,

Vander Stappen Jacqueline
Research Assistant
KULeuven
Laboratorium voor Gentechnologie
W.Decroylaan 42
3001 Heverlee
Belgium

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In article <19EBB2C5905@uamercury.uark.edu> DRHOADS@MERCURY.UARK.EDU ("Douglas Rhoads") writes:
>From: DRHOADS@MERCURY.UARK.EDU ("Douglas Rhoads")
>Subject: Re: Stratagen Taq Extender
>Date: 23 Nov 1994 05:57:44 -0800

>> To:            rapd@net.bio.net
>> From:          krutovskiik@fsl.orst.edu (Konstantin Krutovskii)
>> Subject:       Stratagen Taq Extender
>> Date:          Tue, 22 Nov 1994 19:32:28

>> Stratagen recently introduced very effective PCR-enhancement reagent, Taq
>> Extender PCR additive (see Nielson et al., 1994: Strategies 7: 26 or 7:64).
>> We use it in the same amount per reaction as Taq. It really improves the
>> amplification of different templates and increases the yield of many PCRs
>> (especially for long products). I hope it would be interesting for RAPD folks
>> who got headache with difficult templates.
>> 
>> Kostya

>But will Taq extender work under RAPD conditions??  Has anyone tried? 
> Some enzyme preps of Taq contain lots of contaminating fragmented 
>DNAs that generate smears under RAPD conditions with most primers and 
>no additional input template DNA. We have measured as high as 
>300ng/ul DNA in some commercial preps of Taq Pol.

>Doug Rhoads                  || Dept. of Biological Sciences
>drhoads@mercury.uark.edu     || 601 Science Engineering
>drhoads@uafsysb.uark.edu     || University of Arkansas
>501-575-3251                 || Fayetteville, AR 72701


Yes, we use extender together with Taq under regular RAPD conditions. It has 
the same all problems as the using of Taq alone, but it helps to amplify 
larger amount of long and middle size DNA products, (very often, 
unfortunately,  at the expense of short size fragments (!). Thus, using 
extender one can sometimes lose some bands (usually, short fragments according 
to our experience) which were well amplified under regular conditions, but can 
also very likely obtaine  other bands (mostly long fragments) and increase 
amplification of many products (long and middle fragments). Anyway, the 
using of extender (of course, only together with Taq!) gives a larger 
number of well amplified bands in general, than the using Taq alone.

Kostya 

From owner-rapd@net.bio.net Sun Dec 04 22:00:00 1994
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Hello, out there. I'm looking for information about a product called Bead Beater,
manufactured by BioSpec Products, Bartlesville, Oklahoma. Could anybody 
please provide me with a more excat address or may be a fax number.

Ruth-Anne 


From owner-rapd@net.bio.net Mon Dec 05 22:00:00 1994
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Andrea Klabouchova <andrea@jcu.cz> wrote:

>> Hello netters out there!
>> Does anybody know the strategy of DNA isolation for RAPD?
>> Is there any special discussion group on cyanobacteria?

>>                Andrea   e-mail: andrea@jcu.cz


The best strategy to isolate DNA for RAPD-typing of bacteria is 
no DNA isolation. For many genera (e.g. Listeria, Bacillus,
Pleisiomonas) it is possible to add the whole cells directly to
the PCR-reaction mixture and get perfectly reproducible profiles.
For other genera it is necessary (for the sake of reproducibility)
to make a boiled lysate, clear it by centrifugation and add this to
the reaction mixture. You can read about it in "Res. Microbiol.,
1992, 143, 499-505" and "Lett. Appl. Microbiol., 1992, 14, 260-2.

If you are interested to receive a lab-protocol please send me an email.

******************************
Karel Wernars, The Netherlands
******************************

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In article <3buq9v$fai@alf.uib.no>, <Ruth.Sandaa@im.uib.no> writes:
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> Hello, out there. I'm looking for information about a product called Bead Beater,
> manufactured by BioSpec Products, Bartlesville, Oklahoma. Could anybody 
> please provide me with a more excat address or may be a fax number.
> 
> Ruth-Anne 
> 
The BeadBeater Homogenizer comes from Biospec Products, phone 918-336-3363

From owner-rapd@net.bio.net Mon Dec 05 22:00:00 1994
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From: Kath.Nesbitt@plant.utas.edu.au ()
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Hello people,
	does anyone have any thoughts on using RAPDSs for fingerprinting.  Are
they good/bad/just as good as anything else.  I'm particularly concerned
with their economic feasability and their transferability from lab to lab. 
I'd be interested in anything anyone has to say so please reply!

Thanks Kath

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In article <199411291651.IAA00612@net.bio.net> fishgen@vt.edu (Bruce  J. Turner)
writes:

>I thought I was fairly up-t0--date on acronyms, 

I'd appreciate information on where to find acronym-lists (e.g., genetic 
acronyms: what does "son of sevenless" mean and what does it do?). Are these 
lists available by Internet?

Thanks for any help,

Harold V. Taylor, Dipl. Biochem.
Physiol. Chem. Institut
University of Tuebingen
Tuebingen, Germany

phone:  7071-29-3353
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Harold V. Taylor, Dipl. Biochem.
Physiol. Chem. Institut
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e-mail: cbei01@mailserv.zdv.uni-tuebinge.de

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Dear netters,
We have a request:
Who have different fingerprint patterns, using the same primers, but 
with distint lots of primers?
What is it the posible main cause of this error?
What is it he best company to do primers in our opinion?
Thanks a lot.
Alexandro Carvalho
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From owner-rapd@net.bio.net Thu Dec 08 22:00:00 1994
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Please post

Postdoctoral Position


DNA and RNA fingerprinting in mammalian cells. 

Available any time in the next year. 

Please submit curriculum vitae to: 
Michael McClelland, 
California Institute of Biological Research, 
11099 North Torrey Pines Road, 
La Jolla, CA 92037. 
FAX 619 535 5472.
References: 
	(1) Mclelland et al., 1994. Interactions among regulators of RNA abundance
characterized using RNA fingerprinting by arbitrarily primed PCR. Nucleic Acids
Res. 22:4419. Ionov et al., 1993. Ubiquitous somatic mutations in simple
repeated sequences reveal a new mechanism for colonic carcinogenesis. Nature,
363:558-561; Peinado et al., 1992. Isolation and characterization of allelic
losses and gains in colorectal tumors by arbitrarily primed polymerase chain
reaction. Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA, 89:10065; Welsh et al., 1992. Arbitrarily
primed PCR fingerprinting of RNA. Nucleic Acids Res. 20:4965-4970; Ralph et
al., 1993. RNA fingerprinting using arbitrarily primed PCR identifies
differentially expressed genes in Mink lung (Mu1Lv) cells growth arrested by
transforming growth factor-beta1. Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA, 90 :10710-10714;
Wong, et al., 1993. Identification of differentially expressed RNA in human
ovarian carcinoma cells by arbitrarily primed PCR fingerprinting of total RNAs.
Int. J. Oncology 3:13-17; Wong et al., 1994. Stress-inducible gene of
Salmonella typhimurium identified by arbitrarily primed PCR of RNA. Proc. Natl.
Acad. Sci. U.S.A. 91: 639-643.

CIBR is a not-for-profit basic molecular biology research institute

From owner-rapd@net.bio.net Thu Dec 08 22:00:00 1994
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I am not familiar with 'FSCP', however the reviewer may have meant
'SSCP' or 'Single-Strand Conformational Polymorphism' (perhaps a typo).
The original article describing this technique is Orita et al. (1989)
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the USA, 86,
2766-2770. There have been plenty of publications since describing
variations of this method, particularly in recent issues of Nucleic
Acids Research and Biotechniques. Hope this is helpful,

David Runciman,
Schools of Zoology/Genetics and Human Variation,
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Australia.
(zoodr@zoo.latrobe.edu.au)

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Please send me information concerning RAPD.


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Subject: Primers

Running out of funds, but need RAPD primer sets. Wish to know if anyone has 
them in excess and willing to donate them to this researcher in Hong Kong?

Much appreciated!

Daniel Lee
Hong Kong Polytechnic University
Department of Applied Biology and Chemical Technology
Hung Hom
Kowloon Hong Kong
Tel (852) 766 5615
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BCDLEE@HKPCC.HKP.HK


From owner-rapd@net.bio.net Mon Dec 12 22:00:00 1994
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Hi
	Does anyone know of a case where a minisatellite greater than 1 kb
in length has been amplified by PCR and used in population analysis without
the use of Southern blotting after it's amplification?
							
John Nelson
	nelsonj@pbs.dfo.ca
PS  The reply function on your machine may not work for my address

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Dear Netter
 I do my research with the differential display(Liang.,1992 Science) to
find hormone inducible gene(hormone receptor gene) at early response. But
my sequencing gel pattern is bad(only low size and small number of PCR
fragment was amplified.....). So.I've been trying to improve my PCR
condition. 
 My question is that; How many primer is needed to find specific band (on
average).  Please give me any advice about this techniq.
 Thank you in advance for your kindness.
 
 Makoto Hirai


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From: linn@utkvx.utk.edu (Linn, Charles Ernest)
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In article <9412131012.AA28030@doc.medic.mie-u.ac.jp>, h-makoto@DOC.MEDIC.MIE-U.AC.JP (Makoto Hirai) writes...
>Dear Netter
> I do my research with the differential display(Liang.,1992 Science) to
>find hormone inducible gene(hormone receptor gene) at early response. But
>my sequencing gel pattern is bad(only low size and small number of PCR
>fragment was amplified.....). So.I've been trying to improve my PCR
>condition. 
> My question is that; How many primer is needed to find specific band (on
>average).  Please give me any advice about this techniq.
> Thank you in advance for your kindness.
> 
> Makoto Hirai
>
Here's some references you may find helpful:

Wong K K, and McClelland M, "Stress-inducible gene of Salmonella typhimurium
identified by arbitrarily primed PCR of RNA", Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci., 1994,
91:639-643

Caetano-Anolles G and Gresshoff P M, "DNA Amplification Fingerprinting Using
Arbitrary Mini-hairpin Oligonucleotide Primers", Bio/Technology, 1994,
12:619-623

Bassam J, Caetano-Anolles G, and Gresshoff P M, "DNA amplification
fingerprinting of bacteria", Appl. Microbiol. Biotechnol., 1992, 38:70-76

Caetano-Anolles G, Bassam BJ, and Gresshoff PM, "Buffer Components Tailor DNA
Amplification with Arbitrary Primers", PCR Methods and Applications, 1994,
4:59-61

Caetano-Anolles G, Bassam BJ, and Gresshoff PM, "Primer-template interactions
during DNA amplification fingerprinting with single arbitrary
oligonucleotides", Mol. Gen. Genet., 1992, 235:157-165

Another resource for examining primers is the freeware Mac program AMPLIFY by
W.R. Engels.  Although not written specificly for RAPDs, it allows you to
examine possible band patterns produced from a known template. (You can use a
known sequence that you suspect is similar to that you are trying to amplify.)

Primer selection for RAPDs, especially for prokaryotes seems to be simply
running reactions with different primers until you get something that works. 
(I'd appreciate any logical feedback on that statement.)  However, there are a
few approaches to limiting the number of primers that you have to go thru
experimentally.  First, the use of 5-mers attached to a "mini-hairpin" as
described by Caetano-Anoles, may reduce the total number of possibilities to
around 1000.  Secondly, and the approach that were using here is to examine
known sequences that are similar or at least in the same group of things that
we are interested in.  I use a program I have written to determine primers
which would (theoretically) produce the maximum number of bands.  I then
examine these primers using the program Amplify to determine those primers
which would provide the best results.  (I ended up with 5 primers to screen,
all 5 of which provided differential results!)  Third, many people have had
good results just comparing every primer that they can get there hands on.
(Sequencing primers, probes, etc.)

Well, hope this information helps.  Keep me informed on your results or if you
come up with other approaches to primer selection for RAPDs.

Charles


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Subject: RAPD/bacteria
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I wish to use RAPD to fingerprint fluorescent pseudomonads.  I have
been using REP-PCR (ala Versalovic) and have had great success.  I now
want to expand the number of primers to exam more of the genome.  Does
anyone have any experience with RAPD analysis of pseudomonads or
bacteria with similar G+C content and if so, do you have any
suggestions on a source of random primers.  I know that there are
several sources of primers, I have looked into two, Operon and Genosys.
 Operon supplies random primers with a G+C content of between 60 and
70%.  Genosys' primers are specifically 60 or 70 or 80%, whatever you
want.  Is it wise to initiate studies using a collection of primers
with a single percentage or a range of percentages?  I would be
greatful for any comments/suggestions.

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I wish to use RAPD to fingerprint fluorescent pseudomonads.  I have
been using REP-PCR (ala Versalovic) and have had great success.  I now
want to expand the number of primers to exam more of the genome.  Does
anyone have any experience with RAPD analysis of pseudomonads or
bacteria with similar G+C content and if so, do you have any
suggestions on a source of random primers.  I know that there are
several sources of primers, I have looked into two, Operon and Genosys.
 Operon supplies random primers with a G+C content of between 60 and
70%.  Genosys' primers are specifically 60 or 70 or 80%, whatever you
want.  Is it wise to initiate studies using a collection of primers
with a single percentage or a range of percentages?  I would be
greatful for any comments/suggestions.

From owner-rapd@net.bio.net Wed Dec 14 22:00:00 1994
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I wish to use RAPD to fingerprint fluorescent pseudomonads.  I have
been using REP-PCR (ala Versalovic) and have had great success.  I now
want to expand the number of primers to exam more of the genome.  Does
anyone have any experience with RAPD analysis of pseudomonads or
bacteria with similar G+C content and if so, do you have any
suggestions on a source of random primers.  I know that there are
several sources of primers, I have looked into two, Operon and Genosys.
 Operon supplies random primers with a G+C content of between 60 and
70%.  Genosys' primers are specifically 60 or 70 or 80%, whatever you
want.  Is it wise to initiate studies using a collection of primers
with a single percentage or a range of percentages?  I would be
greatful for any comments/suggestions.

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From: linn@utkvx.utk.edu (Linn, Charles Ernest)
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In article <D0tqFG.603@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu>, demed@vms.ucc.okstate.edu. (David Demezas) writes...
>I wish to use RAPD to fingerprint fluorescent pseudomonads.  I have
>been using REP-PCR (ala Versalovic) and have had great success.  I now
>want to expand the number of primers to exam more of the genome.  Does
>anyone have any experience with RAPD analysis of pseudomonads or
>bacteria with similar G+C content and if so, do you have any
>suggestions on a source of random primers.  I know that there are
>several sources of primers, I have looked into two, Operon and Genosys.
> Operon supplies random primers with a G+C content of between 60 and
>70%.  Genosys' primers are specifically 60 or 70 or 80%, whatever you
>want.  Is it wise to initiate studies using a collection of primers
>with a single percentage or a range of percentages?  I would be
>greatful for any comments/suggestions.

We've used the Genosys primers with a relative degree of success (60, 70, and
80).  70 and 80 percent seemed to work the best.  Strange thing though was
that our results were rather poor and not at all what we expected with some
known sequences!  When we got our DNA synthisizer and produced these _same
primers_ we started getting fantastic fingerprints.  Although we're still
checking these against predictions for known sequences, it looks pretty good
thusfar.  May be a good idea to use the range of primers, _and_ check each
against known sequences until you get consistent results.

We have been working with several Pseudomonas sp. (though not exclusively) and
they seem to be straightforward to work with in pure culture.  Can be a pain
when you're getting them from an environmental source though.

BTW, does _anyone_ have any suggestions for good strategies for RAPD primer
selection?  I outlined a little about what I'm doing in my last message to this
group, but would appreciate any ideas for other strategies other than going
through every primer possible.

Chuck


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I am still using some primers that were synthesized in October 1990.  They work
very well.  They are stored in water at -20 C at the same concentration at
which they came off the synthesizer.  Periodically, I dilute a fraction to 10
micromolar and use that until it is gone (typically a few months).  The
dilutions are also into water and stored at -20 C.

My experience so far is that when RAPD's start to weaken (less amplification),
it is either the template that has gone bad or (more often, in my case) the Taq
polymerase seems to be bad.  Usually, opening a new vial of polymerase solves
the problem.

Templates go bad at 4 C in my experience.  However, since I work on single
Drosophila,  I use crude extracts for RAPD (grind with proteinase K, incubate
at 65 C, dilute with TE, boil for 10 minutes).  These preparations seem to be
very stable (for at least a couple of years) at -20 C.  However, even highly
purified DNA goes bad, especially when diluted, at 4 C.

I hope that this is helpful.

James Farmer
Dept. of Zoology, Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah 84602, USA
farmerj@yvax.byu.edu

From owner-rapd@net.bio.net Sun Dec 18 22:00:00 1994
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Two questions:
1) Does anyone have any experience with the "shelf life" of rapd primers?
   We are still using some of the original (1991) UBC primers, but the
   results don't seem to be as good as they used to be. They are mostly
   stored in water at 5ng/ul at -20C.
2) Does anyone have a good trouble shooting strategy? I have thought of
   freezing aliquot's of all reagents at -80C when the reaction is working
   great, and use these to track down the offender, when problems show
   up. I have never implemented this strategy, because it is a fair amount
   of work, but I still like the idea. Are there simpler ways to accomplish
   the same thing?

J.P. van Buijtenen
Dept of Forest Science
Texas A&M University
 

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Date sent:  18-DEC-1994 22:19:13 
>
>Two questions:
>1) Does anyone have any experience with the "shelf life" of rapd primers?
>   We are still using some of the original (1991) UBC primers, but the
>   results don't seem to be as good as they used to be. They are mostly
>   stored in water at 5ng/ul at -20C.

A recent note on another network may be of interest here

From: OTTGW::IN%"pnh@fcs260c2.ncifcrf.gov"
Date:  6-DEC-1994 11:58:33
Description: Primer stocks that fail to PCR over time             

Earlier I wrote:
 
: Some netters have noticed a loss in the ability to amplify DNA by the
: polymerase chain reaction when using the same lot of primers over a period of
: time.  On occasion, the failure of PCR amplification was directly linked
: to the primer stock going belly up for unknown reasons.
:
: PCR primers initially worked shortly after being purchased, but after storage
: for several months at -20 C as diluted stocks in water, these same primers
: failed to give the same amount of amplified product in identical reactions.
: Primers going bad also produced unreadable results in automated DNA sequencing
: reactions using the dye terminator chemistry combined with cycle sequencing and
: subsequent analysis on the ABI model 373A sequencer under the same conditions
: that previously gave good results.  If new primers were purchased, the reactions
: gave good results and acted as they did prior to storage at - 20 C.
 
================================================================================
 
This came from Andre-Denis Wright (awright@uoguelph.ca):
 
| I read with interest your posting on primer stocks. This is the
| same problem we've been experiencing in our laboratory. This summer I was
| getting great PCR results, but for the past two months, I have not been
| able to get any amplifications. We ordered new primers, and i am using
| them with the other reagents i used with the old primers and now i am
| getting great amplifications again. We have been storing our
| concentrated primers, like everyone else, at -20 C. I can't figure this
| out.
 
: Dear Andre-Denis:
:
: The best response for explaining this problem was from Roger Aeschbacher.
:
: Roger Aeschbacher (teschba@fmi.ch) suggested that some primer
: sets cause PCR failure by nonspecific priming because they are more likely to
: form primer-dimers or intrastrand secondary structures such as hairpins only
: after undergoing multiple cycles of warming and slow freezing. This would not
: happen to all sets of primers, explaining the reason why some go bad whilst
: others remain functional.  It also explains why some primers seem to work after
: a period of storage and others purchased from the same company on the same date
: do not.
:
: While Hot Start PCR may help reduce non-specific annealing to template DNA,
: denaturing the bad primer stock at 95 C to 100 C for 5 minutes and then quickly
: cooling it in a dry ice/ethanol bath or liquid nitrogen may help to restore
: these primers to their former selves.
 
| Dear Dr. Hengen,
| I took your advice about the primers and boiled two aliquots (100ul
| ea) at 100 C for 5 min before freezing quickly with liquid N2. The next
| day i thawed one of the samples and used it it a PCR reaction and
| VOILA!!! they worked. Thanks for the advice!
|
| Andre-Denis
 
Ahhhh. Excellent result! This topic will be discussed in my monthly column
in the January 1995 issue of TIBS.
 
@article{Hengen1995Jantibs,
author = "P. N. Hengen",
title = "Methods and Reagents - Wayward PCR primers",
journal = "Trends in Biochemical Sciences",
volume = "20",
number = "1",
pages = "???-???",
month = "January",
year = "1995"}
 
-Paul.
 
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From owner-rapd@net.bio.net Mon Dec 19 22:00:00 1994
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 Hello, I would like to get access to the latest information on the barley
genome mapping project. I am aware that much of this information is available
in Green Genes, the cereal database. I would like to know what is the best way
to access Green genes to search for such information. I have full internet
access so that is not the problem. I have looked for it on gopher but have not
been able to find it.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Gavin Humphreys, PhD
Visiting Postdoctoral Fellow
Agriculture Canada, Winnipeg Research Station

Email: ghumphreys@mbrswi.agr.ca


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Hello one and all

Does anyone have experience of using inosine in a PCR primer. I have read
that it is not a good idea to have them too close to the 3' end - has
anyone used inosine and how close is too close. What is it about inosine
that may make it unsuitable to be directly at the 3' end?

Thanks for any help

Wig.

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entered on the Subject: line is ignored).

WAIS software can also be used to search the archives as described in
the BIOSCI FAQ (see below).

Finally, the BIOSCI archive files are accessible by anonymous FTP to
net.bio.net [134.172.2.69] in the directory pub/BIOSCI.


       **** BIOSCI FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS (FAQ) SHEET ****

New users of BIOSCI/bionet may want to read the "Frequently Asked
Questions" or "FAQ" sheet for BIOSCI.  The FAQ provides details on how
to participate in these forums and is available for anonymous FTP from
net.bio.net [134.172.2.69] in pub/BIOSCI/doc/biosci.FAQ or for
retrieval by gopher to net.bio.net, port 70.  It may also be requested
by sending the command

info faq

in the body of an e-mail message to the Internet address
biosci-server@net.bio.net.  Please do not enter the info faq command
on the Subject: line of your message since the e-mail server ignores
text on the Subject: line.

The FAQ is also posted on the first of each month to the newsgroup
BIONEWS/bionet.announce immediately following the posting of the
BIOSCI information sheet.


	       **** BIOSCI USER ADDRESS DIRECTORY ****

Please take this opportunity to add your name and address information
to the BIOSCI User Address Database if you have not already done so.

Below is the address form that we would like each reader of the
BIOSCI/bionet newsgroups to complete and return if you would like to
be listed in our database.  The database serves as a directory that
enables biologists, who are currently using (or even just reading) the
BIOSCI newsgroups, to look up e-mail addresses and other information
about our users.

The address database is reindexed nightly for WAIS, waismail, and
gopher access.  If you have access to gopher, connect to net.bio.net
to search the database.  If you have access to WAIS, please use our
WAIS source biologists-addresses.src.  If you are not on the Internet,
please use our waismail server (send the word "help" to
waismail@net.bio.net to get instructions; any text on the Subject:
line of your message will be ignored, so put the help command in the
body of the mail message.).

Please carefully follow the instructions for completing the form
below and return it to either of the following two addresses
(whichever is more convenient for you).  Thanks in advance for taking
the time to complete and return the form.

Addresses for returning forms         Location        Network
-----------------------------         --------        -------
biovote@net.bio.net                   U.S.A.          Internet/BITNET
biovote@daresbury.ac.uk               U.K.            JANET


	     MAKING SURE THAT YOUR INFORMATION IS CURRENT

This notice will be mailed bimonthly to each newsgroup.  You should
check your database entry from time-to-time to see if your address
information is still up-to-date.


		  Using Gopher to complete the form
                  ---------------------------------

If you don't want to use a text editor, you can also use Dan
Jacobson's gopher site to fill out the address database form as
follows.  Otherwise skip this section on gopher and proceed to the
instructions for filling out the form below.

> To add yourself to the database just point your
> gopher client at merlot.gdb.org and select the following:
> 
> -->  14. Searching For Biologists/
> 
>  -->  9.  E-mail Addresses of Biosci-Bionet Users/
> 
>   -->  1.  Add (or Correct) Your Address to the BIOSCI User Address
> Data..
> 
> 
> And fill out the form.

or Rob Harper's gopher site in Europe as follows:

> Europeans can point their gopher client at gopher.csc.fi and add their
> information to the database. All entries will be mailed directly to
> Dave for incorporation in a wais source.
> 
> The path to the questionare is as follows.
> 
> 
> 6.  Information in English/
> 
>     5.  Scientific and other topics/
> 
>         1.  Finnish EMBnet BioBox/
> 
>             9.  FAQ Files/
> 
>                 5.  Bionauts Address Database (questionaire) <TEL>
> 



	    IMPORTANT INSTRUCTIONS - PLEASE READ CAREFULLY

Please enter all responses after the : on each line, leaving one (1)
blank space after the : (i.e., before the start of your text).

Please do NOT extend your responses past the end of each line (80
characters).

PLEASE DO NOT alter any of the field identifiers such as "first name: ". 
If you have nothing to enter after a field identifier, PLEASE LEAVE IT
- do not delete it even if there is no data on the line in question.

Several lines are provided at the end of the form for comments, but,
please adhere to the line length restriction.

On the date: line, please enter the date in the DD-MM-YY format, e.g.,
15-05-93 for 15 May 1993.  This line will tell others when the
information was last updated.  Please be sure to include the 0's for
single digit days or months, e.g., 15-05-93, not 15-5-93.

Note that the "e-mail network: " line below is for specifying, e.g.,
"Internet," "BITNET," "EARN," "JANET," or whatever other network that
your computer may be on.

If you are uncertain about any field, please feel free to leave it
blank, but please DO NOT DELETE the field identifier from the form!

In the first field below, "New information or Update ...", please
enter "N" if this is the first time that you have registered in the
directory or "U" if you are correcting a listing that you sent to us
previously.

The comment: lines may be used for anything that you like but PLEASE
DO NOT DELETE THEM FROM THE FORM OR ALTER THEM.  One suggested use is
to list the names of the newsgroups in which you participate.  Please
use the MAILING LIST name (see below - the latest version of the list
can be requested from biosci@net.bio.net) instead of the USENET name
even if you don't participate by e-mail.  WAIS might get confused by
the periods in the USENET names.  This allows one to retrieve via WAIS
or waismail the list of participants in a particular group.

For example:

comment: ARABIDOPSIS PLANT-BIOLOGY BIONEWS

On the comment: lines
use these names below ---- NOT the USENET names below

MAILING LIST NAME          USENET Newsgroup Name
-----------------          ---------------------
ACEDB-SOFT                 bionet.software.acedb
AGEING                     bionet.molbio.ageing
AGROFORESTRY               bionet.agroforestry
ARABIDOPSIS                bionet.genome.arabidopsis
ASCB                       bionet.prof-society.ascb
BIOCAN                     bionet.prof-society.cfbs
BIOFORUM                   bionet.general
BIO-INFORMATION-THEORY     bionet.info-theory
BIONAUTS                   bionet.users.addresses
BIONEWS                    bionet.announce
BIO-JOURNALS               bionet.journals.contents
BIO-MATRIX                 bionet.molbio.bio-matrix
BIOPHYSICAL-SOCIETY        bionet.prof-society.biophysics
BIOPHYSICS                 bionet.biophysics
BIO-SOFTWARE               bionet.software
BIOTHERMOKINETICS          bionet.metabolic-reg
BIO-WWW                    bionet.software.www
CARDIOVASCULAR-RESEARCH    bionet.biology.cardiovascular
CELEGANS                   bionet.celegans
CELL-BIOLOGY               bionet.cellbiol
CHLAMYDOMONAS              bionet.chlamydomonas
CHROMOSOMES                bionet.genome.chromosomes
COMPUTATIONAL-BIOLOGY      bionet.biology.computational
CSM                        bionet.prof-society.csm
CYTONET                    bionet.cellbiol.cytonet
DROSOPHILA                 bionet.drosophila
EMBL-DATABANK              bionet.molbio.embldatabank
EMF-BIO                    bionet.emf-bio
EMPLOYMENT                 bionet.jobs
EMPLOYMENT-WANTED          bionet.jobs.wanted
FASEB                      bionet.prof-society.faseb
GDB                        bionet.molbio.gdb
GENBANK-BB                 bionet.molbio.genbank
GENETIC-LINKAGE            bionet.molbio.gene-linkage
GRASSES-SCIENCE            bionet.biology.grasses
HIV-MOLECULAR-BIOLOGY      bionet.molbio.hiv
HUMAN-GENOME-PROGRAM       bionet.molbio.genome-program
IMMUNOLOGY                 bionet.immunology
INFO-GCG                   bionet.software.gcg
JOURNAL-NOTES              bionet.journals.note
METHODS-AND-REAGENTS       bionet.molbio.methds-reagnts
MICROBIOLOGY               bionet.microbiology
MOLECULAR-EVOLUTION        bionet.molbio.evolution
MOLECULAR-MODELLING        bionet.molec-model
MOLLUSC-MOLECULAR-NEWS     bionet.molbio.molluscs
MYCOLOGY                   bionet.mycology
NEUROSCIENCE               bionet.neuroscience
N2-FIXATION                bionet.biology.n2-fixation
PARASITOLOGY               bionet.parasitology
PHOTOSYNTHESIS             bionet.photosynthesis
PLANT-BIOLOGY              bionet.plants
POPULATION-BIOLOGY         bionet.population-bio
PROTEIN-ANALYSIS           bionet.molbio.proteins
PROTEIN-CRYSTALLOGRAPHY    bionet.xtallography
PROTISTA                   bionet.protista
RAPD                       bionet.molbio.rapd
SCIENCE-RESOURCES          bionet.sci-resources
STADEN                     bionet.software.staden
STRUCTURAL-NMR             bionet.structural-nmr
TROPICAL-BIOLOGY           bionet.biology.tropical
URODELES                   bionet.organisms.urodeles
VIROLOGY                   bionet.virology
WOMEN-IN-BIOLOGY           bionet.women-in-bio
YEAST                      bionet.molbio.yeast
ZBRAFISH                   bionet.organisms.zebrafish

Listing newsgroups on the comment: line is optional, of course.

Thanks again for your cooperation!



--------------- please cut here and return portion below ---------------

New information or Update to old record (enter N or U): 
date (DD-MM-YY): 
first name: 
middle initial: 
family name: 
job title: 
e-mail address: 
e-mail network: 
phone number: 
FAX number: 
institution: 
address1: 
address2: 
address3: 
city: 
state/province: 
country: 
postal code: 
research interest: 
research interest: 
comment: 
comment: 
comment: 
comment: 
comment: 


