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From: eskay@neutron.chem.yale.edu (Sarah Keill)
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>       I am having a problem with aboritve transcription.  The buffer I am
> using contains 40mM tris pH 8.1, 42C, 5mM DTT, 1mM Spermidine, 22 mM MgCl2,
> 50 ug/ml BSA, 80mg/ml PEG 8000, and 0.01% tritonX-100.  The template is a
> single stranded 70 base DNA with only the region of the promoter ds.  This
> is at a conc. of 4 uM.  4 mM in each NTP and 15,000 U of T7RNAP are used in
> 500 ul. Incubation is 4 hrs. at 42C.
>       With other templates this works great, but with this particular one I
> get virtually no full length product.  It has one predicted region of
> secondary structure that involves the first three bases of the transcript
> with bases 47-49 of the transcript.


given the length of your transcript and the potential for secondary structure,
an easy first step would be to try the fully double stranded template approach.
polymerase should be able to melt secondary structure out, i think, but it
doesn't hurt to give it a hand. using a double-stranded template would be more
easily done within the context of plasmid-directed reactions.  there are easy-
to-use puc-derived vectors with t7-necessary equipment available.  in my
department, it has become almost matter of course to do txns of such long
pieces with plasmid templates.

additional suggestions: play with the temperature and the dtt concentration.
t7rnap is very unstable even at 37, and i would wager you have little active
enzyme left at the end of 4hrs at 42.  in my lab, people have increased dtt
to as high as 100mM to keep the polymerase in the right oxidation state for
as long as possible.  it doesn't hurt anything and a more stable polymerase
is a more processive polymerase.

good luck!

sarah keill
yale university, mb&b and chem


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Subject: double stranded RNAse...

I am interested in finding an enzyme that is specific for double stranded
RNA, (with no effect on single stranded RNA...was that a redudant statement?)
Does anybody know where I can find such a beast comercially....
Thank you Marian Peris

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Marian-

You might try using Cobra Venom RNAase (sometimes called V1 RNAase). I think
it is available from Boehringer. RNAase III also is double strand specific,
but it needs to recognize a specific structure (hairpin with bulge).

Bob Gross

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RNA-netters

This is another bleated attempt to find anyone with a
good idea about nomenculture and general order of the
hnrnp proteins and chloroplast RNA binding proteins. 

I'm maintaining a very small scale database for the
RRM or RBD or RNP-CS domain (take your pick for the
name) which now has grown somewhat. I'm trying to have
an overhaul at the moment to make more of the work 
automatic. In addition I've moved to searching DNA 
databases directly with profiles which have allowed me
to find virtually all RRM sequences possible to detect.

However these two families, hnrnp a1 like proteins and
chloroplast RNA binding proteins are enough to give 
anyone a headache. I need help from people who are 
actually working (experimentally) with these little
blighters to sort out what is what and which sequences
should be grouped under which others. 

So...PLEASE...if you know what is going on please email
me. If you know someone else who might know what is
going on please persuade him/her to email me. 

The database is available as a table on a file server.

email RRM@molbiol.ox.ac.uk with "send rrm" in the 
message. 

Unforunately the PROM database system is down (and will
be for some time) as we migrate to a different system
and I recode things...

any help will be much appreciated

ewan birney

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Hi!  I posted this awhile ago.  I currently use Dr. Michael Zukers
code for folding and Don Gilberts for viewing on a Mac.

Thanks!

Mark

Here is what I have heard:

>From mcpheeters@biochemistry.cwru.edu Wed Apr 13 19:26:04 1994
Subject: Re: RNA Pseudo-knots
In message <9404132235.AA09191@calamity> Mark Dalton writes:
> 
> 	I am wondering if there is any software available for figuring
> out Pseudo-knots.  There is a researcher at the Univ. of MN, I am
> trying to help out.  I don't seem to have much information on this.
> 
> Any information would be appreciated, I will post a summary to the
> group.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Mark
> -- 
Mark,

I have of a couple of references that may describe software that deals with
pseudoknots, these are:
1) Prediction of RNA secondary structure, including pseudoknotting, by
   computer simulation .
   Abrahams,J.P.,van den Berg,M.,van Batenburg,E., and Pleij,C.W.A.
   NAR(1990)18,3035-3044
2) RNA pseudoknots: Structure, detection, and prediction
   Pleij,C.W.A. and Bosch,L.  Meth.Enz.(1989)180,289-303
3)Detecting pseudoknots and other local base-pairing structures in RNA
  sequences Martinez,H.M.  Meth.Enz.(1990)183,306-317

Good luck,
David McPheeters
-------------------------------------------------------------

>From barry@aaRS.mit.edu Wed Apr 13 21:24:58 1994
Subject: RE: RNA Pseudo Knots
Hi Mark-

	I have been working on pseudoknots lately, trying to them into
some unusual structures in hopes of gaining some additional stacking
stabilization.  I have been using MCSYM available from NCBI.  It is useful
for evaluating the stereochemical feasability of a fold.  You do have to
write scripts containing the desired structural features so there is a built
in "bias".  This makes it a rather questionable tool for exhaustive
structural searches.

You may also consider a simple secondary structure program like Zuker's
MFOLD.  

You can get info on MCSYM from:

		ncbi.nlm.nih.gov in the pub/MC-SYM directory.
You will have to request access to the executables and there are instructions
there. MFOLD can be obtained by gopher at the IUBIO archives.

I hope this helps.  If you have any other thoughts on the subject or get any
really insightful suggestions from your request I would be very interested in
hearing them.  

Good luck
Barry 

>From stormo@beagle.Colorado.EDU Thu Apr 14 09:49:25 1994
Subject: RNA Pseudo-knots

It depends a little on what type of data you have.  If you have a
single sequence and want to predict its structure, allowing for
pseudoknots, you should look at the paper by abrahams et al, NAR
18:3035.  If you have lots of sequences and want to determine the
structure that they have in common you can use comparative methods,
which allow pseudoknots, such as described in Gutell et a. NAR
20:5785.

Gary Stormo

>From jweiland@badlands.NoDak.edu Sat Apr 16 09:47:00 1994
Subject: Pseudoknot programs

Hi from the Fargo area!

Although there are probably RNA folding programs created in North America 
which have pseudoknot recognition algorithms incorporated into them by 
now, there may be a free-ware or share-ware version of a program 
developed by C.W.A Pleij at the University of Leiden (Netherlands).  He 
was the original founder of pseudoknots, and shortly thereafter 
collaborated with some computer jocks in creating a program for thier 
recognition.  I don't know whis E-mail address, but he should be a memeber 
of several biophysical chemistry societies.  Good luck!

John Weiland		jweiland@badlands.nodak.edu

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Thoughts to ponder:
Life is Paradox: one = many, many = one.
Most difficult tasks are easy, it just depends on if you know the solution.
All tasks are easy, it all depends on who you ask.

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	Announcing the release of Namot.

NAMOT(Nucleic Acid MOdeling Tool) is a tool developed at Los Alamos National
Laboratory for the structural manipulation of single or double stranded, 
RNA or DNA. NAMOT uses a set of reduced co-ordinates to describe base/unit,
sugar and phosphate geometry. Detailed description of these parameters can be 
found in the references listed at the bottom of this announcement.

Namot features an X11 graphics interface for display of the molecule while
modifications are being carried out. Both Motif and XView toolkit versions 
exist, which should allow namot to be easily ported to most unix machines. 

An article describing namot is currently in press(CABIOS,1994).

Namot features:

Input:			PDB,Amber, or parameters

Output:			Amber, PDB, or parameters, encapsulated postscript.

General:		Can be used to manipulate ss or ds RNA or DNA via
			reduced parameters. Which have intuitive meaning,
			and allow easy manipulation of the base/unit without 
			bond breakage.

Auto-adjusts:		O3'-P-O5' to allow the phosphate to cross varying gaps.

Monitors distances:	A simple point and click, connects two atoms with
			a dashed line and displays the distances whenever
			the structure is changed.

Generation of structures:
			Generates the parameters for A,B,& Z. RNA/DNA, ss or ds
			Can be used as a starting place.

Label BP:		Displays the unit number on the right side of the
			screen at the same level as the C3'

Online help:		There is an extensive online help system.

Rotations:		Easily accessible rotational controls.

Currently there are three versions of namot.

NAMOT1:

The original, uses the XView toolkit and basic monochrome Xlib graphics.
It does feature a WYSIWYG(What You See Is What You Get) printing
screen that produces encapsulated postscript output.

NAMOT 1.2:

Features color graphics options, both wireframe and CPK representations.
It produces color encapsulated postscript output. A command line lets the
user set foreground/background to white or black. The user can set the mode
to mono or color(color is the default). The command line also allows the user
to query for atom position, angles, and torsional angles. The online help
for "commands" lists the specific syntax.


NAMOT 1.2s:

Same basic features as NAMOT 1.2, but uses the motif toolkit to build the
interface and has been tested on an SGI Iris Indigo.


Namot is availible over the internet via anonymous ftp.
To get namot:

ftp namot.lanl.gov
login: anonymous
Password:(Your email address)
cd pub/namot
get <which ever version you want>

Note: SGI users may need to use "nlist" and not "ls" to list files.

NAMOT 1. and NAMOT 1.2 have been tested on:
	Sun SparcStation 1+ running SunOS 4.1.3
	Sun SparcStation LX running SunOS 2,3
	Sun SparcClassic running SunOS 2,2

NAMOT 1.2s has been tested on
	SGI Iris Indigo

References:

Base/Unit description:
 
Journal of Biomolecular Structure and Dynamics.
             Volume 6, Issue Number 3 (1988), page 397
                Soumpasis, D.M., and Tung, C.-S.
 
Sugar description:

Journal of Biomolecular Structure and Dynamics,
                Volume 5, Issue 3(1987), page 513
                Garcia A.E., and Krumhansl, J.A.
 
 
Phosphate description:
 
Computation of Biomolecular Structures: Achievements, Problems,
                and Perspectives, Tung, C-S,
		Soumpasis, D. M. & Jovin, T. M., eds, Springer-Verlag, NY

Feedback on NAMOT is greatly appreciated, email can be sent to 
namot@temin.lanl.gov.

Gene Carter
esc@temin.lanl.gov

Chang-Shung Tung
cst@temin.lanl.gov


Copyright 1994 The Regents of the University of California. 
This software was produced under U.S. Government contract(W-7405-ENG-36) by 
Los Alamos National Laboratory, which is operated by the University of 
California for the U.S. Separtment of Energy. The U.S Government is licensed 
to use, reproduce, and distribute this software. Permission is granted to the
public to copy and use this software without charge, provided this Notice and 
any statement of authorship are reproduced on all copies. Neither the 
Government nor the University makes any warranty, expressly or implied, 
or assumes any liability or responsibility for the use of this software.

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