EF! Fined $1million in Idaho

norm lenhart lenhart at rippers.com
Sun Nov 24 03:37:07 EST 1996

Don Baccus wrote:

> Please list those species for which you believe your statement to be
> true.  We'll take 'em one at a time.  We already know you're wrong
> for northern spotted owl except for the special case of second-growth
> redwood forests, but if you insist we'll stomp this into the dust
> once again.

Heres a couple. 
Bear,deer, beaver, muskrat, big cats, owls (even the spotted was proven
to migrate to secondary growth redwood) , squirell, wolf...

Start with those. Theres plenty more.

> Do you truly believe that there are no late-successional dependent species?
> This seems like an odd belief to me, given the evolutionary tendency for
> specialist species to exploit narrow niches.

Narrow but not imutable. which is my whole point. They CAN migrate if

> I don't belong to the Sierra Club.  My organization - the Portland
> Audubon Society -

Correct me if im wrong (and I may be) but didnt you comment on "MY"
financial intrest in these matters ? If not, I mistook you for another

> defends old-growth conservation efforts on biological
> ground.  Not surprising, as we have the (retired) USFWS Endangered Species
> Director under the Carter Administration (who, while employed in the PNW
> region, officially warned the USFS in 1971 of their looming NSO problem),
> the (retired) Regional Supervisor of the PNW Region of USFWS, and a
> (retired) CA/NV Refuge Manager of USFWS on our Board.

Yea, so.........

> But, of course, I should ignore the input of these distinguished wildlife
> professionals and take the word of you, an uncredentialed netwit.

You should make an attempt to see the other side of the issue. We do,
why cant you ? Netwit he says. Very professional for a man of such great

> Yeah, right.  Oh, especially considering that there's tons of published
> shit which proves you wrong.

Tell me where you heard this before. I can say it too and be right.
"Yeah, right.  Oh, especially considering that there's tons of published
shit which proves you wrong".

Theres evidence both ways, and if you would look , you would see it. But
I guess the possibility that your at least partially mistaken never
entered your head. 

> --

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