Today's Forests Lack Color

Michael Hagen mhagen at
Fri Dec 12 12:25:24 EST 1997

You may be seeing that the responses you get come with some baggage. 
The good ol' forest service has disappointed a lot of people since the
'70s, but I've got to give you credit for hanging in there.  I won't get
any argument (from here) if I say that the local FS folk are
demoralized. The switch in policy from resource management to social
engineering is as likely an explanation as any for the awkward positions
they find themselves in. 

I've gone on about this before but I've found that over the course of
its history, the FS has proven itself a master at influencing Congress
by 'social engineering' which I think, is nothing more than recognizing
and rewarding those who agree with you!

dennis g garcia wrote:
> > Nonsense.  Name one other gubmint agency that has secured the support
> > of all
> > those that use or may use their services or things under their
> > jurisdiction.
> > This is a smokescreen to justify funneling taypayer's money towards
> > pet
> > projects to manipulate the behaviour of those you consider less
> > enlightened.
> > (I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here - the real reasons may
> > be
> > less, um, charitable.)
> Our agency has been focused on commodity production and sustaining eco
> systems.  We have come to the realization that there is going to be
> increasing presures, especially in urban and areas surrounding urban
> areas.  We have seen the pressures this brings to the natural and urban
> forests.  The objectives here is many fold.  To educate these potential
> users about forests and eco systems and to find out what they think
> about them.  To help them manage their urban forests. To engage in
> dialog that will solve some of the problems that population and over use
> creat.  To help them understand the need to commodity production as a
> tool for maintaining the forest's health. To help them understand the
> need to produce forest products for our nation.  Would it be safe to
> assume that these people are going to be the ones voting how we spend
> appropriated gov't funds?
> >
> > I took a look at your charter,,
> > and
> > nowhere do I find anything remotely resembling the manipulation of
> > various
> > racial groups to promote their use of the forests to your
> > satisfaction.  Do
> > you disagree?
> We are seeking to engage all groups in meaningful dialog.  Can it start
> with a discussion of their position and understanding of the issues, if
> they even know them.  I suspect that most urban groups are not in tune
> with natural resources or their conservation/management.  I don't
> propose to be able to meet all groups needs.  I do hope to discuss and
> facilitate the urban needs and the needs of the land.
> There is no evidence that they are being prevented from enjoying the
> national forests.  Our intent is to market the forests to groups that we
> have not traditional served.  The people will tell us what happiness
> they want to pursue, as you point out.  I hope that this effort shows
> that we are moving towards listening to the people and providing service
> to their needs.
> > And btw, welcome to bionet.agroforestry.
> Thanks for the welcome.  At least I can talk to this group with some
> response.  Posts to the groups I wish to understand more, urban
> minorities, are not heard.  Any suggestions would be appreciated.
> Dennis Garcia
> Kaibab National Forest
> Williams AZ

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