Old growth forest logging
dbraun at u.washington.edu
Tue Jun 17 17:46:58 EST 1997
Please check the original post--- I did not hold the opinion immediately
below, but did respond to it (response snipped). I completely support
preserving remaining old-growth and primary forest (of which the former is
-- Dave Braun
On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, Theo Hopkins wrote:
> In article <33A35293.74B40E92 at highway1.com.au>, Gary Beilby BVMS
> <beilby at highway1.com.au> writes
> >D. Braun wrote:
> >> On 22 Feb 1997, wbg wrote:
> >> > Give me a break, and check your facts before recyclying the
> >> > anti-capitalist Greens crap. We have more trees today in North America
> >> > than we had in 1900. Since that verifiable fact might impair your
> >> > ideologically bent polemics, you'd prefer to pretend it doesn't exist>
> BIG SNIP.
> Sorry to jump in late on this, too.
> D. Braun is correct, but is talking about what is known as 'sustained
> yeild forestry' when he says that there are more trees in the US than in
> 1900. He is correct, both in terms of numbers of trees, (more trees
> because they are smaller), and in terms of timber volume, ie, the total
> cubic meters (or board-feet in the un-metricated US) within the US
> forest estate.
> 'sustained yeild forestry' is yesterday's definition of good forestry.
> I refer you all to the Earth Summit in Rio, five years back.
> The forestry protocols said that "Forests shall be sustained for their
> economic, ecological, social, cultural and spiritual values".
> While the US (and Canada, Scandinavia, UK, Russia, Latvia, Estonia, etc,
> etc.) all have more cubic volume of timber, the ecological, social,
> spiritual and cultural values have lost out in a big way.
> In the PNW, this is exemplified by the infamous spotted owl, in danger
> of extinction, or the failure to regenerate Pacific Yew after
> In Norway it is the possible loss of the rare lichen, _usnea longisima_,
> as an example of ecological values being lost.
> In the UK with a 50% convertion from existing broadleaf woodland to
> coniferous plantation, we have lost the cultural values of our
> woods...'the sun-dappled bluebell filled English woodland' beloved by
> In Russian Karelia -between St. Petersburg and Murmansk- the old-growth
> Kalevala area is being clearcut. The wild woods of the Kalevala are of
> great cultual and spiritual importance to the Finns, as the Kalevala
> region is where the Finns original came from, and is the area of 'The
> Kalevala', a collection of mediaeval saga-poems that inspired Finnish
> independence from Czarist Russia and the music of Sibeleus (spelling?).
> I doubt Sibeleus would have been inspired by a single-species industrial
> tree plantation.
> I could go on...
> The Rio Summit also required nations to preserve bio-diversity, be it
> spotted owls, very obscure lichen or bluebells*.
> The US forest industry has dismally failed to protect the non-timber
> value of forests, such as bio-diversity, and this failure continues,
> especially outside the PNW and on private lands.
> D Braun talks about 'anti-capitalist greens'.
> Maybe he is getting confused with timber volume (cash value of forests)
> and all the other value of forests, such as the spiritual values, which
> have no known financial value.
> [*Bluebells are a small blue flower that beautifully blanket, wall to
> wall, acres of many English woodlands in spring.]
> Theo Hopkins
> (Forest Action Network/United Kingdom)
> e-mail wildwood at gn.apc.org
> web: http://www.envirolink.org/orgs/fan
> A timber industry that says it loves trees
> is like my butcher who says he loves animals.
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