RESULT: sci.forestry.misc & misc.industry.wood-products.misc both fail

Neil Crellin neilc at stanford.edu
Fri Sep 12 00:33:29 EST 1997


                                RESULT
     moderated group misc.industry.wood-products.misc fails 78:34
            moderated group sci.forestry.misc fails 73:33

 Yes  No  | 2/3 >100 | Pass | Group
---- ---- | --- ---- | ---- | -------------------------------------------
  78   34 | Yes   No |   No | misc.industry.wood-products.misc
  73   33 | Yes   No |   No | sci.forestry.misc

There were 117 valid votes and 2 invalid ballots.

For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES
and NO) votes.  There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO
votes.

There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.
Unless serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the
groups may not be voted on again for six months.

Newsgroups lines:
misc.industry.wood-products.misc	Lumber and engineered wood products. (Moderated)
sci.forestry.misc	Forestry, silviculture, and related topics. (Moderated)

The voting period closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 10 Sep 1997.

This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.  Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: David L. Vessell <david.vessell at lpcorp.com>
Votetaker: Neil Crellin <neilc at stanford.edu>

RATIONALE: misc.industry.wood-products.misc

There is no newsgroup at all for the discussion of lumber and engineered
wood products, such as oriented strand board (OSB), plywood, particleboard,
composite materials (such as cement-pulp roofing materials), and recycled
paper products that do not take the form of paper, such as cellulose
insulation.  A handful of groups are vaguely related, such as
sci.engr.manufacturing and sci.materials, and one existing group,
misc.industry.pulp-and-paper, actually should be moved under the
misc.industry.wood-products hierarchy.

In both cases, more and more professionals are gaining access to the
Internet in these two fields.  Already, nearly all major timber and wood
products companies have presences on the World Wide Web and are quickly
moving towards adoption of the Internet at large.

RATIONALE: sci.forestry.misc

Sci.forestry.misc is for the discussion of any topics related to the
management and/or cultivation of trees, including forestry, silviculture
(cultivation of trees for industry), and urban forestry.  There are
currently no existing newsgroups specifically for forestry except for one,
bionet.agriforestry, which is in a minor hierarchy.  Other existing
newsgroups may be related, such as sci.agriculture or sci.environment, but
neither are well suited for forestry discussions.  Most people don't think
of forestry when they think of agriculture, and sci.environment is a poor
forum for such discussions because of the politically-charged atmosphere.

CHARTER: misc.industry.wood-products.misc

The newsgroup misc.industry.wood-products.misc is an moderated
newsgroup for the discussion of lumber and engineered wood products.  Wood
products manufacturers have long been a core of the national economy, and
in recent years, increasing restrictions on timber management have led the
wood products industry to reevaluate its markets and products.  A large
portion of those new products involve engineered wood products made from
lower-grade, less controversial, and second-growth timber, including
oriented strand board (OSB), plywood, particleboard, cellulose insulation,
and composite materials where wood fiber is combined with non-wood
materials, such as cement.  This newsgroup serves the producers and
consumers of these types of products.  This newsgroup is not for attacking
the morality, ethics, and/or politics of other readers, and participants
may be barred from the newsgroup through moderation.  Aside from that
(hopefully) rare situation, the group is moderated for prevention of
crossposting only.

END CHARTER.

CHARTER: sci.forestry.misc

The newsgroup sci.forestry.misc is an moderated newsgroup for the
discussion of forestry and silviculture, two related sciences involving the
cultivation and maintenance of forests.  This newsgroup serves all branches
of forestry, and encourages the fostering of good relations between
government, environmental activists, and commercial interests.  This
newsgroup is not for attacking the morality, ethics, or politics of other
readers, and participants who habitually flame and/or verbally abuse other
readers may be barred from the newsgroup through moderation.  Aside
from that (hopefully) rare situation, the group is moderated for
prevention of crossposting only.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: misc.industry.wood-products.misc

Moderator: "David L. Vessell" <david.vessell at lpcorp.com>
Administrative contact address: david.vessell at lpcorp.com
Article submission address: nntpwood1 at lpcorp.com

END MODERATOR INFO.

MODERATOR INFO: sci.forestry.misc

Moderator: "David L. Vessell" <david.vessell at lpcorp.com>
Administrative contact address: david.vessell at lpcorp.com
Article submission address: nntpforestry1 at lpcorp.com

END MODERATOR INFO.

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sci.forestry.misc and misc.industry.wood-products.misc Final Voter list


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larryc at teleport.com                                              Larry Caldwell
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red at rahul.net                                                               Red
    ! Invalidated for vote fraud - distribution of preformatted ballots



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