ACF Update

JimiFromMI jimifrommi at
Sun Apr 26 00:41:40 EST 1998

In article <35423975.73A18A22 at>, Joseph Zorzin
<redoak at> writes:

>Don Staples wrote:
>> Joseph Zorzin wrote:
>> >
>> > And even without clear-cut bans on erosion prone slopes, perhaps loggers
>> > should be held accountable IF the slope erodes for all the damage that
>> > ensues- to the environment and to all man made structures; and to ensure
>> > that the loggers can be have financial responsibility, they'll have to
>> > buy insurance for this purpose, then the insurance industry, not wanting
>> > to lose millions, will be very careful about insuring risky areas.
>> >
>> But where does a 500 or 1000 year El Nino fit into the picture?  Does
>> the logger plan for the "average" rain fall?  And for what period of
>> time should the logger be liable?  The land owner is liable for his
>> property, and the effects of it on others, how long do you hold him/her
>> responsible if every thing is jake and El Nino washes the mountain away?
>If it's obvious that the slide occured as a result of the logging, El
>Nino or no El Nino, the landowner and his agents (loggers) must bear
>respsonibility. No?
>After all, landowners enjoy those property rights and property rights
>come with responsibilities.

Unless the logger guaranteed that no "impact" would occur, why would he be
responsible (assuming no laws were broken).  The burden should be placed upon
the landowner.  They were the ones that initiated the "unnatural" event.

On the other hand, if fire spread from government lands and totally "destroyed"
the land owners trees which resulted in the el nino (or not) landslide, and if
this devestating fire was a result of a smokey the bear program of fighting
nature, then the government would be responsible.  Of course, everybody knows
that the government is NOT responsible (generally) so EVERYBODY impacted would
be SOL.  Unless of course it was close to an election year and it was
determined that future children could be saved ... blah, blah, blah.

'til next.

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