Underwater Logging

Mike Hagen mhagen at olympus.net
Tue Apr 28 17:18:37 EST 1998

Its Thuja plicata out here, but your description of a cedar bog is
right on. Just adjust your average bole size to 5 ft in diameter and
imagine running lines through the down wood. There are few of these
areas left. Most were logged before the advent of tough riparian
protection rules. Though I've never run into a bear in one of these, I
have had the experience of stumbling upon a family of river otters who
were using the timber as recreational equipment.

JimiFromMI wrote:
> In article <354603C4.B97ECBC1 at olympus.net>, Mike Hagen <mhagen at olympus.net>
> writes:
> >From:  Mike Hagen <mhagen at olympus.net>
> >Date:  Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:28:52 -0700
> >
> >I've never seen this stuff, just heard that it was high quality by
> >today's standard.  In Washington state redcedar swamps salvagers have
> >been mining buried wood since the 60s.
> In Michigan "Red Cedar" (Juniperus virginiana Linnaeus) is typically found on
> dry sandy soils and is very drought tolerant.  Northern White Cedar (Thuja
> occidentalis Linnaeus) is the "wooded swamp" variety that I am familiar with in
> the acidic environment (and love dearly).  They are associated with river
> bottom lands (cool moving water) and are very difficult to walk through because
> of the many generations of blow downs, etc.  Walking through one of these
> "swamps" is really cool (make sure you have a compass).  Basically, you are
> standing upon a mat of roots covering a lake (river) of water.  What I find
> particularly amazing is when, seemingly out of no where, a rush of water gushes
> out of the earth, only to drain back in some 30 yards "down stream".  You can't
> see but for 15 yards or so in these swamps, which are excellent cover for
> wildlife, including the "bashful" black bear.
> >When the cedar is completely
> >submerged it will last for an amazingly long time. It is quite common
> >to find 800 year old stumps straddling similar aged horizontal logs.
> >White woods don't normally  last as long as cedar, but there have been
> >a few surprises. On at least one of my sales, shake cutters converted
> >some buried hemlock into bolts, just for the heck of it.  Anaerobic
> >storage conditions seem to be equally important as the inherent rot
> >resistance of the particular wood.
> I'm going to have to say MORE important.  I can't imagine an untreated cedar
> deck would withstand the weather for 800 years.
> Thanks for the post!

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