What to do?
ddd at hi.there.com
Mon Aug 31 18:24:57 EST 1998
OK, I got my $.02 worth from this group. I originally was
interested in finding out the investment potential of timber
and got the following type of responses:
1. Buy land that already has an established young group of
trees. Grow from there.
2. Setting up from scratch (clear-cut) will take a
tremendously long time, unless using some aggressive
management and using genetically enhanced seed.
3. Instead of growing for timber, grow for pulp - quicker
turn around to market, low return, but get into the next
4. Cottonwood trees are quick growers, good for pulp.
5. Cottonwood also decomposes quickly - fostering a side
income potential from mushrooms.
6. Someone in India has a big pulp mill and is going to
dominate the world pulp market (?)
Well, I've sure gotten a lot of feedback from my original
question. With the way today's market is behaving, land is
looking more and more attractive.
On Mon, 31 Aug 1998 07:38:35 GMT, larryc at teleport.com (Larry
>In article <1998082723190300.TAA09146 at ladder01.news.aol.com>,
>susan112 at aol.com says...
>> The mushrooming business sounds great, but I have heard of a downside from a
>> guy locally who tried to grow shittake outside on oak logs as a business. He
>> said the seasonal nature of the crops nearly did him in as he could not get a
>> buyer for just a couple crops a year. The buyers he encountered wanted so much
>> a week, every week, guaranteed or no deal.
>This may be a real problem if there is no wild mushroom market in your
>area. In the PNW, mushroom buyers aggressively comb the woods when
>mushrooms are in season, and literally thousands of pickers sell to them.
>The annual wild mushroom crop is worth millions of dollars. The USFS
>sells commerical picking permits for entry to federal forests, and sets
>up special camps just for the pickers.
>A happy side effect is that almost all supermarkets will stock several
>varieties of mushrooms when they are in season. I have bought oyster
>mushrooms, shiitake, chanterelles and morels at Safeway and Albertsons in
>addition to the normal agaricus bisporus that is commonly cultivated.
>PNW consumers are getting pretty sophisticated about a variety of
>> He ended up constructing a building in which he could control tempurature and
>> humidity, a very expensive building. Now he has year-long consistent
>> production and a viable business. He said that sticking with it and getting
>> to that point was very difficult for him and he felt that the people promoting
>> shittake failed him by not pointing out the downsides.
>If you want to sell to grocery jobbers, you are pretty much stuck going
>into industrial production like that. Wild mushroom buyers will take
>what you have when you have it. If there is none in your immediate area,
>you might think about shipping crates by next-day UPS. Mushrooms are
>quite durable, and will take some shipping. There is certainly enough
>money in the transaction to make shipping worthwhile. Most wild
>mushrooms are exported, and end up in the European or Asian market
>> What would be the potential downside of the cottonwood venture for the
>> landowner I know who might be interested?
>I certainly wouldn't recommend spending big bucks right off the bat. If
>he has the cottonwood, and has the time to log cabin bolts, and maybe
>enough water to moisten them once in a while, he can grow nice shipments
>of pleurotus or shiitake on a seasonal basis. There IS a market out
>there. Mushrooms can be surprisingly easy to grow, but industrial
>production requires heavy investments in time and facilities. There is
>no reason a small outdoor operation can't be profitable almost
>immediately with next to no startup investment.
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