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Joseph Zorzin redoak at
Wed Dec 2 19:15:21 EST 1998

Don Baccus wrote:
> In article <36650901.ED6882F2 at>,
> Joseph Zorzin  <redoak at> wrote:
> >---------------
> >"There is a straight-forward, easily understood formula for conducting
> >fruitful debates here on this list, in meetings, or in personal
> >conversations, and anywhere: confine the discussion to the substance of
> >the questions and avoid pejorative comments about other participants.
> If this were a true statement of the preconditions for fruitful
> meetings or debate, physicists would still be politely discussing
> the ether, geographers the flat earth, biologists the date of
> creation ... well, you get the idea.  Informal academic debate is
> often anything but polite and impersonal.
> --
> - Don Baccus, Portland OR <dhogaza at>
>   Nature photos, on-line guides, at

Unfortunately, forestry is not a real science, it's just a fancy trade
pretending to be a science and a lofty profession, so the higher ups are
mostly pumped up with their own hot air; and since they know this deep
down, they don't like anyone asking too many questions or pointing out
the lies and deceipt. 
Joe Zorzin, Professional Mud Forester
z-mail, list server, for the Massachusetts forestry revolution of '98
read about it at
proposed forester license regs for Mass. and comments 
by K.Davies at

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