Does Nature Know Best?
mhagen at mail.olympus.net
Tue Jan 6 13:41:43 EST 1998
dwheeler at teleport.com wrote:
> In article <34B07748.6913C51E at lebmofo.com>,
> Ron Wenrich <woodtick at lebmofo.com> wrote:
> > dwheeler at teleport.com wrote:
> > > I regret to burst the bubble, but I am unconvinced that foresters know
> > > how to grow trees. Most trees in the US require mycorrhizal fungi to
> > > survive outside of greenhouse environments. These fungi act as water and
> > > nutrient gatherers. Studies at Oregon State University have shown that
> > > terrestrial rooted Western hemlock are 100% mycorrhizal-inoculated in the
> > > wild. Close observation of trees at a Douglas fir tree farm near Oregon
> > > City strongly suggests as succession of mycorrhizal fungi as trees
> > > mature.
> > >
> > > Growing trees (forestry) implies providing trees with necessary
> > > requirements for their cultivation. So how many species of the several
> > > thousand mycorrhizal fungi known in the US do foresters know how to grow?
> > > Of these, how many are used to grow seedling trees?
> > How would this differ on naturally regenerated sites?
> In nature, many animals act as mycophagists. They dig up truffles or eat
> symbiotic fungi (mushrooms), mixing the spores with yeast and nitrogen
> bacteria, then depositing them at another site to potentially inoculate
> another tree.
> Many hardwoods are regenerated
> > under a canopy and later released. There are also quite a few trees which come from
> > stump sprouts. These tend to be faster growing since they are taking benefit of the
> > existing root system (or is it the advanced mycorrhizal association?).
> We don't know for sure, but it is probably a combination of both. For
> example, at the first truffle farm inoculated in Oregon, the owner has
> removed entire rows. Yet the remaining stumps continue to live. We
> suspect the stumps (now over 2 years old) grafted roots underground with
> nearby trees. But mycorrhizae are known to associate in complex ways,
> forming mycorrhizal mat communities which tie in several trees and shrubs
> together. These mat communities also stabilize otherwise unstable slopes
> and strongly decrease erosion.
> > hardwood seedlings is very rare, unless it is in planting old fields.
> One of the differences between western forestry and eastern forestry. In
> the west, up to 30,000 seedling trees may sprout naturally per acre in
> areas like the Columbia River Gorge near Cascade Locks.
> > > This necessary fungal/plant relationship has been a requirement for
> > > growing almost all plants since the Devonian (Age of Fishes) time 400
> > > million years ago. That foresters in general disregard mycorrhizae as
> > > +beneath them+ is as dramatic a statement as saying they can't see the
> > > forests for the trees. According to The Primary Source, trees make up
> > > 30-35% of biomass of either forest or plantation. Fungi make up 52-55%.
> > > Ignoring fungi in tree cultivation/forestry is similar to corn-stalks
> > > while growing corn: at this time, you can't have one without the other.
> > Part of that is in the education of foresters. Fungi is often regarded as a
> > pathogen, not a growth enhancer.
> That kind of proves my point, doesn't it? ;)
I suspect that Dan is itching to get a debate going but in this group,
who's going argue? The longer we (foresters of mud and other breeds) do
this work, the more we realize that we don't know the whole picture. And
that's not to say that we're incompetant; we're not, there's some
excellant talent here. It's just that the picture keeps getting bigger
and more detailed.
By the way, the mild weather was still producing chanterelles into mid
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