Environmentalists Call for Fair Grazing Fees

HULTGREN arne at snowcrest.net
Wed Mar 17 22:25:13 EST 1999


Kind of late for you to be up....don't you have to get up early tomorrow?
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Joseph Zorzin <redoak at FORESTMEISTER.COM> wrote in message
news:36EF7877.5513BF13 at forestmeister.com...
>Peter G Harrison wrote:
>>
>> How do you know? Were you there?
>
>I can read, asshole.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joseph Zorzin <redoak at forestmeister.com>
>> To: ag-forst at net.bio.net <ag-forst at net.bio.net>
>> Date: Tuesday, 16 March 1999 21:29
>> Subject: Re: Environmentalists Call for Fair Grazing Fees
>>
>> >Peter G Harrison wrote:
>> >>
>> >> This assumes that you can produce vegetable protein from the actual
piece
>> of
>> >> land.  In many areas it is not feasible - practical and technical and
>> >> economic so grazing is still a sound land use policy for many areas.
>> >
>> >Fine. But not in mountain forests.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Yes, the land condition must be maintained.
>> >>
>> >> This sounds like a lot of pretty ignorant foresters sounding off about
a
>> >> subject of which they seem to know little.  Some sound reasoned debate
by
>> a
>> >> few range management professionals may be more illuminating.
>> >
>> >So who made you so smart? Did you ever watch a cow walk through forest
>> >land? Their hooves dig up the ground. Who needs them in the forest? It's
>> >*&^%$ idiotic. I never said anything about cows on the RANGE. Since when
>> >are mountain forests RANGE land?
>> >
>> >>
>> >> There is probably no one answer - and yes recreation is damaging the
>> >> rangeland / forest / beach etc in many places - if over used.  But how
do
>> >> you stop / restrict the damage to low limits consistent with access ?
It
>> is
>> >> always a balancing act.
>> >
>> >Get them out of the forests, and the problem is solved. It's nothing but
>> >a subsidy, welfare. It's OK to smash welfare for poor urban people, but
>> >not for these white ranchers in states with excessively powerful
>> >Senators on those select committees?
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Security of access for ranchers / graziers to an area where they have
a
>> long
>> >> term interest in preserving the range quality may [ not always] help.
>> There
>> >> are also considerations of issues such as fire management, where
grazing
>> for
>> >> example may be a very desirable management practice.
>> >
>> >There is a difference between RANGE and mountain forests. Mountain
>> >forests are NOT range land. And speaking of RANGE, everyone already
>> >knows the massive damage our range land have received from cattle. Much
>> >of America's range land is very inferior to what it was centuries ago.
>> >
>> >
>
>
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