Greenland glaciers present threat if Earth warms up, scientist says

Joseph Zorzin redoak at forestmeister.com
Fri Jun 9 04:57:29 EST 2000


Ted Kegebein wrote:

> Graham Willers wrote:
>
> > <truffler1635 at my-deja.com> wrote in message
> > news:8h5q5e$uit$1 at nnrp1.deja.com...
> > > In article <39285006.E80EFD0C at planttel.net>,
> > >   ted at eaglering.com wrote:
> > > > Jeff Owens wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >And just what in hell does any of this have to do with forestry?
> > > > >
> > > > > The impact of global warming on forestry has been studied for
> > > > > this area (PNW) by a group at the University of Washington
> > > > > and they published a summary called "Impacts of Climate
> > > > > Change".  They looked at what has occurred so far and compared
> > > > > it to seven climate models.  The results strongly suggested
> > > > > that forestry will continue to be impacted in the areas of
> > > > > pests, selection of trees, fire control, and possibly erosion
> > > > > control techniques.  Since this is already occurring it isn't a
> > > > > question of IF, more a question of how big the impact will
> > > > > be.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > BS.
> > > >
> > > > I've been around a long time, son. The climate is different every few
> > > > years.
> > > >
> > > And you've been keeping records for how many years?
> > >
> > > This is the typical naysayer argument against global warming. "There's
> > > no verifiable climatic change since records have been kept." Well,
> > > records haven't been around very long. So what's your point?
> > >
> > > The reality remains: the decade of the 1990s has been the warmest on
> > > record. Disagree if you like, but it doesn't change the facts.
> > >
> >
> > It is a source of some amazement to us in Europe that the US - normaly
> > pretty much to the fore in most respects - can be so far behind European
> > thinking on climate change.
> > To give an example; in Spain the whole forestry business has been going
> > through some pretty massive changes for years, due to the impact of global
> > warming over the last decade. They are not still arguing over whether or not
> > it is happening - they - like the rest of Europe - did that in the mid 80's.
> > Now they are trying to cope with the unprecedented increase in forest fires
> > which has led to very serious erosion problems - especially in the region of
> > Murcia - but all over the country to a greater or lesser degree.
> > They are building low level contour walling on hillsides and changing
> > species and systems all over the country. It is generaly accepted that the
> > desertification of central southern Spain - which is there for you to see
> > with your own eyes - will continue to spread as it has been doing for a
> > decade or more now.
> > In Britain the last 3-day seminar and AGM of the Institute of Chatered
> > Foresters was devoted entirely to the new systems and species we are
> > adopting in order to minimise the effects of the climate change. The ICF are
> > not exactly renowned for their radical thinking - being a pretty
> > conservative bunch of people.
> > Our oak trees (Q.Robur) are now leafing 22 days earlier than they were in
> > 1965 for example ( thats a verifiable record if ever there was one ! ) and
> > our beech tree population in the south of England is in serious trouble due
> > to repeated droughts. We recommend that noone bothers planting beech trees
> > anymore as they are very unlikely to survive more than 50 years.
> > Climate change has got everything to do with forestry! It is 'forestry' at
> > its worst that has helped to bring it about in the first place.
> > The climate has fluctuated extremely violently in the past - up 4C in 30
> > years in one period - so why are the Americans so sceptical that it is
> > happening again? The evidence is right under your noses. I just don't get
> > it.
> >
> > GW
> > Scotland
>
> The climate has fluctuated extremely violently (?) in the past - down
> 4C in 30 years in one period. So what? I've lived through several
> hurricanes. So what? Record cold in the Artic creates Nitrite clouds
> which eat up Ozone. So what?

You have a college degree?

>
>
> You guys really should get a life.

You should get a brain.

>
>
> But, failling that, find out how much the output of the sun has
> changed in the last 30 years. It may enlighten you, but I doubt it.

You are proof that we are descended from apes. <G>



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