Browner, and EPA

Joseph Zorzin redoak at
Sun Jun 18 04:24:02 EST 2000

HubCap wrote:

Com on HubCap, tell us who you are, where you are, and what you do for a living.
Otherwise, your comments will not be taken seriously- hiding behind that cute

> 4d rules were issued for the NSO in Calif, Ore., & Wa. in 1996. After
> splitting off the California Spotted Owl due to its over abundance, it is
> now being repetitioned w/ the FWS for listing. This 4d rule by NMFS is a
> major power grab and consolidation in the attack on forestry here in the
> west. NMFS (staff members) has some pretty cozy connections to regional
> environmental groups, on the North Coast of California, at least. The EPA is
> trying get forestry classed an point source pollution and thereby subject to
> the CWA. and by extension WDR's.
> Along the Klamath River, NMFS floated a trial balloon (typically
> Clintonesque) that would require any activity within 300' of a stream to be
> subject to permit. They were so onerous

What, the brain dead woodchuck can't figure out how to measure 300'? Why is this
so onerous? Maybe the enviros consider work done by such woodchucks close to
streams to be onerous.

> that one local timber company
> abandoned their HCP process: in effect said "screw it, trying to satisfy
> these folks is impossible."

Especially when you're brain dead. Like people who refuse to say who they are.

> No matter what compromise you offer, they always
> come back wanting more.
> ===========================================
> Don Staples <dstaples at> wrote in message
> news:39497292.F47272E0 at
> >A recent comment from a reader in Oregon.
> >
> >
> >I read your Browner article posted in newsgroups.  No wonder the EPA is
> >such
> >a mess.  I am a logging consultant out on the Oregon coast.  In the last
> >5
> >months, I have become politically active at a state level.  The EPA gave
> >the
> >National Marine Fisheries Services the authority to implement the 4(d)
> >rules
> >regarding water quality.  What I understand, is that the Pacific
> >Northwest is
> >the first region, where rules of this nature will be implemented.  I
> >don't
> >know if you have heard much about the salmon issue out here, but these
> >rules
> >go so far as to say they have the power to control our thermostats, tell
> >us
> >how far we will drive and whether or not we will raise a backyard
> >garden.
> >There is a section in the rules describing how our wells will be
> >metered, and
> >I can only assume that metering means an allotment per month.  This is
> >how
> >they intend to control whether we raise livestock, plant gardens, etc.
> >Our
> >legislators believed if they wrote a state plan, NMFS would not come in.
> >
> >They were wrong.  These plans are to be implemented June 19.  I am going
> >to
> >the state capital on Monday with many others to urge our legislators to
> >push
> >the federal government back.  I know that the EPA plans to implement
> >rules on
> >water quality in other states.  Read these rules if you haven't already,
> >and
> >check out the third party lawsuits.  I sent the Browner piece out to my
> >group
> >with the message to pass it on.  Thanks.  It is bringing in quite a
> >response.
> >
> >

Joe  Zorzin
Massachusetts Licensed Eco Forester #261

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