Ayn Rand Institute's Neo Nazi Forestry web page!

Loren Petrich petrich at netcom.com
Sat Nov 4 05:15:06 EST 2000

In article <8tshq5$mmo$1 at nnrp1.deja.com>, Langrrr <Langrrr at aol.com>

> In article <3A007A9D.C2FAB675 at tc.umn.edu>,
>   Paul Bramscher <brams006 at tc.umn.edu> wrote:
> > Loren Petrich wrote:

> And there are a multitude of what are clearly "statists".  Some of
> which are the ignorant - who are led by the nose and their fears into
> believing that this world is a nasty place and that only the power of
> government can save them from injury.  These are the ignorant, and a
> few simple object lessons can help them learn a great deal.

   While we are at it, let's cite the existence of military
dictatorships and police brutality as "proof" that all government
military and police forces ought to be disbanded, while ignoring the
unpleasant fact that private ones are likely to become the new

> > For example, the difference between "public" and "private" has all
> kinds of
> > layers of meaning.  A shopping mall, while privately owned, is a
> public
> > place.
> Well, no, not really.  A shopping mall, especially an indoor one, has
> thoroughfares which are no different than the courtyards of apartment
> complexes, whose terms of use are made clear to tenants and other users
> of the space before or upon commencement of that use.

   How are those much different from the socialist roads that you drive
on every day?

> > particularly if we don't own property of
> > our own?  Public roads, police, schools, libraries, fire departments,
> etc.
> > are all socialist entities, but make quite a bit of sense when managed
> > properly.  Street bazaars in communist countries can be vibrantly
> > capitalistic institutions.  I happen to have a triple-major in
> anthropology,
> > history, and computer science.

> And I have a Bachelor's in Soviet Studies and a Master's in Public
> Administration with an emphasis on public policy analysis.  And I can
> tell you that the former in your litany are voluntary contracts entered
> into by the people, and that they are successful because their control
> is held at the local level.  Local road issues are addressed with the
> Department of Public Works.  The police, fire department and libraries
> with local councils.  Schools with local school boards.

   Mr. Langrrr *loves* government when it's local, and he celebrates
libraries and road and police and fire departments as essentially
successful democratic socialism.

> And as for the latter, the "bazaar" issue - that is one of the clearest
> examples as to why communism fails, and why capitalism works.

   However, big businesses continue to exist, some of them spread over
many nations. Despite their resemblance to Soviet-style central
planning, they have not gone broke.

Loren Petrich
petrich at netcom.com
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