"Natural forest devastation"?

Ian St. John istjohn at noemail.ca
Sat Jun 5 14:54:46 EST 2004

charliew2 wrote:
> Ian St. John wrote:
>> Larry Harrell wrote:
>>> "Ian St. John" <istjohn at noemail.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:<9p6uc.65843$tb4.2515519 at news20.bellglobal.com>...
>>>> Dano wrote:
>>>>> lhfotoware at hotmail.com (Larry Harrell) wrote in message
>>>>> news:<7a90c754.0405271045.2a3f9b04 at posting.google.com>...
>>>>>> Comment from poster: Good forestry can mitigate many of the
>>>>>> impacts of drought through thinning, fuels reduction projects and
>>>>>> controlled burning. Nowhere in the article does it even mention
>>>>>> active management. Do these "scientists" really ever get out
>>>>>> there in the woods (this decade)?
>>>>>> Larry,    in the woods, everyday
>>>>> Larry, I agree, but active management includes cutting large
>>>>> numbers of small caliper trees and then doing something with those
>>>>> trees, meaning re-tooling of mills and creating markets, etc. I,
>>>>> personally, would avoid that topic when talking to a reporter,
>>>>> because it creates tangents.
>>> Yep, we can't let facts get in the way of a good story.
>>>> Rather than retool mills to try to use the wood as lumber, why not
>>>> chip it and use it to produce 'cellose ethanol' as fuel??? You
>>>> could include everything down to the leaf litter!
>>> Most mills have already been retooled and the amount of big log
>>> mills left in this country could probably be counted on two hands.
>> Gee. That isn't perhaps why they are so 'hot' on taking trees out as
>> part of the 'tinder reduction program' not would it. Finally
>> admitting the main economic focus of the 'new forest' initiative.
>>> In my
>>> part of the USA, Ian, cogen plants already get agricultural waste
>>> for pennies.
>> Then turn it into alcohol. I am merely pointing out the advantages,
>> since this would remove the 'tinder' instead of thet 'timber' and
>> make money.
>> I really wasn't talking to you, Larry. I know your answer before you
>> start blubbering.
> Think, Ian.  Alcohol serves as fuel.  The cogen faciliites are no
> doubt using the wood for fuel, bypassing all of the processing steps
> involved in alcohol production.  You don't want to use cellulose to
> produce alcohol, just because it's a "cool" thing to do.

No. I want to convert it to alcohol because a liquid fuel, suitable for
mobile vehicles, is more *valueable* than simple heat, and burn more cleanly
with more of the nutrient recoverable for fertiliser from the waste outflow.

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