Kirk,
Please consult the Supplement for details on a maximum parsimony
analysis that I assume you would not find dubious. A total evidence
analysis (i.e., a "limited set of sequence data", plus what must also
be called a "limited set" of morphological data) will appear in due
course that may alleviate your other concern.
greg
On Aug 23, 2009, at 7:15 AM, J. Kirk Fitzhugh wrote:
> The phylogenetic hypotheses are only 'solid' insofar as they explain
> a limited set of sequence data. Given that the authors must know
> they are actively avoiding considering all sorts of other relevant
> data that are in need of being explained in the same context, e.g.
> the setae as Jim Blake noted, and the use of Bayes Theorem is not
> meant for the inference of hypotheses, then Torsten's endorsement is
> ill-founded at best.
>> But then, let's not quibble with the fine points of doing good
> science - it's more important to impose blind acceptance of methods
> by even more blind endorsement.
>> Kirk
>> Struck, Torsten wrote:
>>>> Indeed, it is a nice discovery and very interesting. Moreover, the
>> phylogenetic hypotheses are very solid (not at all "dubios at
>> best") and
>> good in comparison to several other analyses out there.
>>>> Nice work Karen,
>>>> Torsten.
>>>>>> On 8/22/09 10:30 AM, "Kirk Fitzhugh" <kfitzhug from nhm.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> Nice discoveries indeed. It's unfortunate that the scientific
>>> merits of the
>>> phylogenetic hypotheses are dubious at best. But then, it *is*
>>> published in
>>> Science. ;-)
>>>>>> Kirk
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: annelida-bounces from oat.bio.indiana.edu on behalf of Geoff Read
>>> Sent: Sat 8/22/2009 12:54 AM
>>> To: <Annelida list
>>> Subject: [Annelida] Swima the swimmer
>>>>>> FYI
>>>>>> Osborn KJ, Haddock SHD, Pleijel F, Madin LP, Rouse GW 2009. Deep-
>>> Sea, Swimming
>>> Worms with Luminescent "Bombs". Science 325: 964 (and online
>>> 'supplement').
>>>>>>http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/citmgr?gca=sci;325/5943/964>>>>>> Swima bombiviridis named (new genus, new species of acrocirrid)
>>>>>> Abstract: "By using remotely operated vehicles, we found seven
>>> previously
>>> unknown species of swimming annelid worms below 1800 meters.
>>> Specimens were
>>> large and bore a variety of elaborate head appendages. In
>>> addition, five
>>> species have pairs of ellipsoidal organs homologous to branchiae
>>> that produce
>>> brilliant green bioluminescence when autotomized. Five genes were
>>> used to
>>> determine the evolutionary relationships of these worms within
>>> Cirratuliformia. These species form a clade within Acrocirridae
>>> and were not
>>> closely related to either of the two known pelagic cirratuliforms.
>>> Thus, this
>>> clade represents a third invasion of the pelagic realm from
>>> Cirratuliformia.
>>> This finding emphasizes the wealth of discoveries to be made in
>>> pelagic and
>>> deep demersal habitats."
>>>>>>>>> Nice discovery. I want to know what they feed on, and how.
>>>>>> Geoff
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Geoff Read <g.read from niwa.co.nz>
>>>http://www.annelida.net/>>>http://www.niwa.co.nz/about-niwa>>> ***************************
>>>>>>>>> NIWA is the trading name of the National Institute of Water &
>>> Atmospheric
>>> Research Ltd.
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>> PD Dr. habil. Torsten H. Struck
>> University of Osnabrück
>> Department of Biology/Chemistry
>> Zoology
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>> D-49069 Osnabrück
>> Germany
>>>> Phone: +49-541-9693450
>> Fax: +49-541-9692587
>> e-mail: struck from biologie.uni-osnabrueck.de>> <ATT00001.txt>
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