Okay folks,
Thanks! It seems to be just the Google system being conservative and limiting open access to the lucky USA constituency (where it knows exactly the copyright rules) for a book that it hasn't good information on. I'm sure Ehlers 1901 is out of copyright in NZ (50 years post author's death).
Annoying! I've reported the issue, but action might be slow coming. At least the book is available somewhere! Thanks to Google.
Geoff
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From: Barbara Mikac [barbara.mikac from cim.irb.hr]
Sent: 21 March 2012 23:26
To: LALLIER François
Cc: Chris Glasby; Annelida from magpie.bio.indiana.edu; Geoff Read
Subject: Re: [Annelida] Reference of (Ehlers, 1901)
Same case in Croatia.
Cheers,
Barbara
On Wed, 2012-03-21 at 09:53 +0100, LALLIER François wrote:
> From France, Jim's link drives me to books.google.fr and a "Get Print
> Book", "No ebook available" in the upper left corner...
> François
>> Le 21 mars 2012 à 01:19, Chris Glasby a écrit :
>> > >What happens in Australia?
> >
> > same as the NZ case; I’d have to pay for the pdf.
> >
> > cheers,
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > From: annelida-bounces from oat.bio.indiana.edu> > [mailto:annelida-bounces from oat.bio.indiana.edu] On Behalf Of Geoff
> > Read
> > Sent: Wednesday, 21 March 2012 8:53 AM
> > To: James Blake
> > Cc: Annelida from magpie.bio.indiana.edu> > Subject: RE: [Annelida] Reference of (Ehlers, 1901)
> >
> > Well, this is odd Jim. That link returns the exact same page I was
> > looking at. For me, and presumably the rest of New Zealand, that
> > link aliases to Google NZ which serves up a page that is the snippet
> > view and has no access to the pdf, whereas in the USA Google.com
> > returns an open access page to you. Needless to say I am more than
> > somewhat irritated that you in the USA can download a book published
> > in Germany, when I cannot do the same in New Zealand. I know about
> > odd publisher limitations for regional access for books still in
> > copyright (where there is more than one publisher producing the
> > book), but this item was published in 1901, thus the book is over
> > 110 years old and should be well out of copyright.
> >
> > I haven’t heard of this before. I shall be trying to find out more
> > about what is going on here, and ways to circumvent it. I suspect
> > Google foul play. I wonder if other countries are affected? What
> > happens in Australia?
> >
> > Geoff
> >
> > From: James Blake [mailto:jablake9 from gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, 21 March 2012 11:33 a.m.
> > To: Geoff Read
> > Cc: Annelida from magpie.bio.indiana.edu> > Subject: Re: [Annelida] Reference of (Ehlers, 1901)
> >
> > Geoff,
> >
> > You are wrong, I downloaded it myself today. It is a good scan but
> > the plates are of variable quality.
> >
> > It is one of three papers in the "Festschrift."
> >
> > http://books.google.com/books?id=TqxRAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA165&lpg=PA165&dq=Die+polychaeten+de+magellanischen+und+chilenischen+Stranden&source=bl&ots=bcxzkJX_ky&sig=Bca1u8oZMzPYHqZg9a6qYiCCKzM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=7gRpT8_BFpLg2wX_qdmUCQ&ved=0CFgQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=Die%20polychaeten%20de%20magellanischen%20und%20chilenischen%20Stranden&f=false> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Geoff Read
> > <Geoffrey.Read from niwa.co.nz> wrote:
> > Hi there Jim, Jose and all,
> >
> > It’s an important work but as far as I can tell this book is not
> > available as a pdf digitised via Google. However happy to be proved
> > wrong (as fast as electrons can move) by supply of a direct url.
> > I can see Google has it
> > at books.google.com/books?id=W3gIAAAAMAAJ&q but that is only the
> > teaser ‘no ebook’ glimpse, and there is a link onwards to a
> > print-on-demand merchant. Maybe Google earlier on had it freely
> > available?
> >
> > With regards to the citation I’m also puzzled by the linkage to the
> > 150 year anniversary “Festschrift zur feier des
> > hundertfünfzigjährigen …” which is also given in Hartman, 1951. Can
> > anyone with an original print copy explain or verify how this is a
> > real connection? There is a book with this Festschrift title online
> > at archive.org published 1901 but the content is not biological.
> >
> > If the book is not available online yet, then I have a personal pdf
> > scan of Ehlers’ ‘Die polychaeten de magellanischen .. ‘ (supplied by
> > someone else, and I expect they would not mind if I passed this on).
> > It won’t be as good a copy as a professionally scanned pdf.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Geoff Read
> >
> > From: annelida-bounces from oat.bio.indiana.edu [mailto:annelida-bounces from oat.bio.indiana.edu] On Behalf Of José Eriberto Assis
> > Sent: Wednesday, 21 March 2012 7:01 a.m.
> > To: annelida
> > Subject: [Annelida] Reference of (Ehlers, 1901)
> >
> > Hi, all
> > I am need this reference above, If somebody can send for me a pdf or
> > other file, I will be very greatfull.
> >
> > Ehlers, E. – 1901. Die polychaeten de magellanischen und
> > chilenischen Stranden. Ein Faunistischer Versusch. Festschrift zur
> > Feier des Hundertfünfzigjährigen Bestehens der königlichen
> > Gesellschaft der Wissenschaften zu Göttigen. Wiedmannsche
> > Buchhandlung.
> >
> > Thank you very much
> > Best wishes
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