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Levin, Lisa via annelida%40net.bio.net (by llevin from ucsd.edu)
Wed Mar 21 19:18:01 EST 2012


Geoff - This may shed some light on the issue.
Lisa


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From: "Brueggeman, Peter" <pbrueggeman from ucsd.edu<mailto:pbrueggeman from ucsd.edu>>
Date: March 21, 2012 2:29:16 PM PDT
To: "Levin, Lisa" <llevin from ucsd.edu<mailto:llevin from ucsd.edu>>
Subject: RE: Google and [Annelida] Reference of (Ehlers, 1901)

When you see national disparities like that, a first order assumption is that there are differences among the various nations’ copyright laws. I would assume there are differences among these nations’ copyright laws about when copyright protection expires and an old book enters the public domain. See

http://support.google.com/books/bin/answer.py?hl=en-CA&answer=43737


That particular book came from the University of Michigan Library collection.  You asked me about what arrangement that the University of California made with Google for books scanned from the collection here. The University of California said that it wanted a copy of all scans from any book scanned from its collections by Google, and we can use those scans however. University of California puts its book scans into HathiTrust,  http://www.hathitrust.org/ where we have control over the scans and access to them. That book is also in Hathitrust, via the University of Michigan Library. Hathitrust says the book is “public domain in the US”

Peter



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From: Levin, Lisa
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 5:35 AM
To: Brueggeman, Peter
Subject: Google and [Annelida] Reference of (Ehlers, 1901)

Peter - Here is an interesting case where Google books seems to be charging in all other countries for items distributed freely (under agreement?) in the USA.
What do you make of this?   - read emails from the bottom up.   It seems there are also messages on this bulletin that the same item incurs charges in France, Portugal, Germany, the UK, and Spain.  I sent this to you because I'm curious about the arrangement made when we allowed Google to copy our library's books.

regards,
Lisa

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From: Barbara Mikac <barbara.mikac from cim.irb.hr<mailto:barbara.mikac from cim.irb.hr>>
Date: March 21, 2012 3:26:50 AM PDT
To: LALLIER François <lallier from sb-roscoff.fr<mailto:lallier from sb-roscoff.fr>>
Cc: "Annelida from magpie.bio.indiana.edu<mailto:Annelida from magpie.bio.indiana.edu>" <Annelida from magpie.bio.indiana.edu<mailto:Annelida from magpie.bio.indiana.edu>>, "'Geoff Read'" <Geoffrey.Read from niwa.co.nz<mailto:Geoffrey.Read from niwa.co.nz>>, Chris Glasby <chris.glasby from nt.gov.au<mailto:chris.glasby from nt.gov.au>>
Subject: Re: [Annelida] Reference of (Ehlers, 1901)

Same case in Croatia.

Cheers,
Barbara

On Wed, 2012-03-21 at 09:53 +0100, LALLIER François wrote:

>From France, Jim's link drives me to books.google.fr<http://books.google.fr/> and a "Get Print
Book", "No ebook available" in the upper left corner...
François

Le 21 mars 2012 à 01:19, Chris Glasby a écrit :

What happens in Australia?

same as the NZ case; I’d have to pay for the pdf.

cheers,

Chris


From: annelida-bounces from oat.bio.indiana.edu<mailto:annelida-bounces from oat.bio.indiana.edu>
[mailto:annelida-bounces from oat.bio.indiana.edu]<mailto:[mailto:annelida-bounces from oat.bio.indiana.edu]> On Behalf Of Geoff
Read
Sent: Wednesday, 21 March 2012 8:53 AM
To: James Blake
Cc: Annelida from magpie.bio.indiana.edu<mailto:Annelida from magpie.bio.indiana.edu>
Subject: RE: [Annelida] Reference of (Ehlers, 1901)

Well, this is odd Jim. That link returns the exact same page I was
looking at.  For me, and presumably the rest of New Zealand, that
link aliases to Google NZ which serves up a page that is the snippet
view and has no access to the pdf, whereas in the USA Google.com<http://Google.com/>
returns an open access page to you. Needless to say I am more than
somewhat irritated that you in the USA can download a book published
in Germany, when I cannot do the same in New Zealand. I know about
odd publisher limitations for regional  access for books still in
copyright (where there is more than one publisher producing the
book), but this item was published in 1901, thus the book is over
110 years old and should be well out of copyright.

I haven’t heard of this before. I shall be trying to find out more
about what is going on here, and ways to circumvent it.   I suspect
Google foul play. I wonder if other countries are affected? What
happens in Australia?

Geoff

From: James Blake [mailto:jablake9 from gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:jablake9 from gmail.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, 21 March 2012 11:33 a.m.
To: Geoff Read
Cc: Annelida from magpie.bio.indiana.edu<mailto:Annelida from magpie.bio.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: [Annelida] Reference of (Ehlers, 1901)

Geoff,

You are wrong, I downloaded it myself today. It is a good scan but
the plates are of variable quality.

It is one of three papers in the "Festschrift."

http://books.google.com/books?id=TqxRAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA165&lpg=PA165&dq=Die+polychaeten+de+magellanischen+und+chilenischen+Stranden&source=bl&ots=bcxzkJX_ky&sig=Bca1u8oZMzPYHqZg9a6qYiCCKzM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=7gRpT8_BFpLg2wX_qdmUCQ&ved=0CFgQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=Die%20polychaeten%20de%20magellanischen%20und%20chilenischen%20Stranden&f=false

Jim


On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Geoff Read
<Geoffrey.Read from niwa.co.nz<mailto:Geoffrey.Read from niwa.co.nz>> wrote:
Hi there Jim, Jose and all,

It’s an important work but as far as I can tell this book is not
available as a pdf digitised via Google.  However happy to be proved
wrong (as fast as electrons can move) by supply of a direct url.
I can see Google has it
at books.google.com/books?id=W3gIAAAAMAAJ&q<http://books.google.com/books?id=W3gIAAAAMAAJ&q> but that is only the
teaser ‘no ebook’  glimpse, and there is a link onwards to a
print-on-demand merchant. Maybe Google earlier on had it freely
available?

With regards to the citation I’m also puzzled by the linkage to the
150 year anniversary “Festschrift zur feier des
hundertfünfzigjährigen …” which is also given in Hartman, 1951. Can
anyone with an original print copy explain or verify how this is a
real connection? There is a book with this Festschrift title online
at archive.org<http://archive.org/> published 1901 but the content is not biological.

If the book is not available online yet, then I have a personal pdf
scan of Ehlers’ ‘Die polychaeten de magellanischen .. ‘ (supplied by
someone else, and I expect they would not mind if I passed this on).
It won’t be as good a copy as a professionally scanned pdf.

Thanks,

Geoff Read

From: annelida-bounces from oat.bio.indiana.edu<mailto:annelida-bounces from oat.bio.indiana.edu> [mailto:annelida-bounces from oat.bio.indiana.edu]<mailto:[mailto:annelida-bounces from oat.bio.indiana.edu]> On Behalf Of José Eriberto Assis
Sent: Wednesday, 21 March 2012 7:01 a.m.
To: annelida
Subject: [Annelida] Reference of (Ehlers, 1901)

Hi, all
I am need this reference above, If somebody can send for me a pdf or
other file, I will be very greatfull.

Ehlers, E. – 1901. Die polychaeten de magellanischen und
chilenischen Stranden. Ein Faunistischer Versusch. Festschrift zur
Feier des Hundertfünfzigjährigen Bestehens der königlichen
Gesellschaft der Wissenschaften zu Göttigen. Wiedmannsche
Buchhandlung.

Thank you very much
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