Splendid! Many thanks Geoff for the insightful comments. And many thanks to
all of you who contacted me off-list. Much appreciated. I totally agree
that it is a murky topic, and it seems to be the case with many other
taxonomic groups (e.g. crustaceans). For Phyllodocida, we will follow your
advise of giving Dales, 1962, the authorship.
Best wishes, and happy holidays to you all!
Javi
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 7:14 PM, Geoff Read <Geoffrey.Read from niwa.co.nz>wrote:
> Hi Javier,
>> First the straightjacket of the classic Linnaean-derived upper hierarchy
> is uncomfortable for most of us to use now. However, within it names above
> the family group are not regulated. There is no Code priority rule even if
> both priority and the practical usefulness of continuity can be taken into
> account in what we do. Names need not be based on a family and its type
> genus, and standardised name endings such as -iformia as used for
> polychaete suborders, if used, are not restricted to one rank. Names can
> move up and down in ranking without changing in suffix. The history of the
> higher rank name usages can be murky and uncertain. Stating authorship is
> rarely necessary in practice, but of course we cannot resist trying to
> establish who could take credit for a first use.
>> In the case of Phyllodocida a name using the family Phyllodocidae as basis
> for a group of families was certainly used before Dales (1962) as we have
> at least the Phyllodociformia of Levinsen (1883). Dales did not coin the
> name Phyllodocida as such, but he did set out an influential scheme using
> it as one of the labels. Modern wider use of Phyllodocida as group name
> demonstrably dates from the time of Dales' classification scheme. So let's
> give him the authorship! Noting also that family Phyllodocidae dates only
> from 1843, while both before and after that names based on the nereids were
> used for order ranks partly corresponding to what are the 'modern'
> Phyllodocida of Dales. For example Savigny, 1822 used Nereideae. Did I say
> it was a murky topic?
>> Geoff
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> To: annelida from magpie.bio.indiana.edu> Subject: [Annelida] Authorities for Phyllodocida and Aphroditiformia
>> Deal Annelida folks,
>> I have been searching for the citations and authorities of the Order
> Phyllodocida and the Suborder Aphroditiformia. I have checked the WoRMS
> webpage, and several literature items including Fauchald, 1977, but the
> information available appears to vary from author to author, and some
> authors even do not cite the reference or authorities at all. For
> Phyllodocida, some works cite Dales, 1962, as the authority. For
> Aphroditiformia it is even more vague who should be the authority. Some
> works I have read also advocate for the removal of superfamilial status,
> and only keep familial, subrodinal and ordinal ranks.
>> Do you have any idea of who are the authorities and the citations where
> those two taxa were first proposed? Do you know of any recent literature
> item that might shed lights on the matter?
>> Many thanks for your help. Much appreciated.
>>> Kind regards,
> Javier
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