Forwarding a message from Andy Cohen:
>From: Andrew Cohen <acohen from bioinvasions.com>
>Subject: Fwd: (3) Fwd: Re: [Annelida] G P Wells would be surprised to learn
>Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 19:40:09 -0800
>To: "James T. Carlton" <James.T.Carlton from williams.edu>
>>Jim,
>>Thanks for sending me the ANNELIDA string that discussed my Live
>Bait report. While AFS has tried to establish "official" common
>names for several groups of aquatic organisms, I've never been a fan
>of the effort. Diverse, local and often colorful common and trade
>names for plants and animals, including hunters' names for birds and
>anglers' names for bait and gamefish, though they may be incorrect
>or improper from certain perspectives, are a part of our ecological
>culture and I think the world would be a bit poorer if we lost them.
>Thus I don't share Geoff Read's dismay over the use of "lugworm,"
>the common name used by every bait dealer and angler in
>California, for Perinereis aibuhitensis, in a report specifically
>written for California resource managers. Since I also gave the
>scientific name in the report, I suspected that it would be obvious
>to anyone to whom it might matter (as it was and did to Dr. Read)
>that the worm being referred to was not an arenicolid. However,
>looking back over the report, it seems to me that it would have been
>appropriate to place the name lugworm in quotation marks in its
>first appearance.
>>Regarding Bruno Pernet's comment, the use of lugworm in this context
>appears to have come out of Asia, rather than emerging in
>California's bait shops. From the documentation I've seen, bait worm
>growers and dealers in Asian countries employ a particularly chaotic
>suite of trade names for their products, with multiple names for
>each species and multiple species for each name, with little
>apparent pattern. Lugworm is used for many worms, most of them
>nereids and none, as far as I can tell, arenicolids, and it happened
>to be the name that stuck for Perinereis in California.
>>Harry ten Hove noted a dreadful mistake that I made; I'm grateful to
>learn of it, and will try to get it corrected in the online report.
>In that table I had transcribed some information from Steve
>Crawford's proceedings paper, correcting several taxonomic problems
>and commenting on others, but I failed to correct that one. I
>suspect that the all-nighters I pulled trying to get the bait report
>and the accompanying Live Seafood report completed on deadline may
>have something to do with that failure. And while I suppose I could
>try to take some pride in being the first person in two centuries
>(by Dr. ten Hove's calculation) to list spirorbids in the wrong
>phylum, in fact I'm only embarrassed.
>>-Andy
>>Andrew N. Cohen
>Director, Center for Research on Aquatic Bioinvasions (CRAB)
>5994 McBryde Ave, Richmond CA 94805-1164
>email: <mailto:acohen from bioinvasions.com>acohen from bioinvasions.com>phone: (510) 778-9201
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>>Begin forwarded message:
>>>From: "James T. Carlton"
>><<mailto:James.T.Carlton from williams.edu>James.T.Carlton from williams.edu>
>>>>Date: January 12, 2013 3:48:29 AM PST
>>>>To: <mailto:acohen from bioinvasions.com>acohen from bioinvasions.com>>>>Subject: (3) Fwd: Re: [Annelida] G P Wells would be surprised to learn
>>>>>>>>From: "Hove, H.A. ten"
>><<mailto:Harry.tenHove from naturalis.nl>Harry.tenHove from naturalis.nl>
>>>>To: "<mailto:annelida from net.bio.net>annelida from net.bio.net"
>><<mailto:annelida from magpie.bio.indiana.edu>annelida from magpie.bio.indiana.edu>
>>>>Thread-Topic: G P Wells would be surprised to learn
>>>>Thread-Index: Ac3veZ25NJq6cRZJTGq149fDjzvmjgADO6Uc
>>>>Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 23:05:07 +0000
>>>>Subject: [Annelida] RE: G P Wells would be surprised to learn
>>>>>>Attributing Spirorbis to Gastropoda (Table 26. p.37) also is
>>something I have not seen since the early 1800dreds.
>>>>>>gr.
>>>>>>Harry A. ten Hove
>>>>>>__________________________________
>>>>>From: Bruno Pernet <<mailto:Bruno.Pernet from csulb.edu>Bruno.Pernet from csulb.edu>
>>>To: "<mailto:annelida from net.bio.net>annelida from net.bio.net"
>>><<mailto:annelida from magpie.bio.indiana.edu>annelida from magpie.bio.indiana.edu>
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Annelida] G P Wells would be surprised to learn
>>>>>>Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 23:07:04 +0000
>>>>>>Cc:
>>>>>>>>>Hi all -- I don't think that Andy is really responsible for the
>>>adoption of this common name; that occurred over the past few
>>>decades at the bait shop level, I suspect. Among the population of
>>>bait shop owners and marine anglers in southern California, at
>>>least, lugworm is now the "correct" (in usage, at least) common
>>>name for Perinereis; that's what I call them whenever I buy some
>>>(for teaching). If I call them ragworms, all I get are blank
>>>stares and a delayed transaction. So I call them lugworms, despite
>>>what I know about the "correct" common names for nereids and
>>>arenicolids (if there is such a thing as a correct common name, of
>>>course). And so the language evolves...
>>>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>Bruno
>>>>>>>>>Bruno Pernet
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Jan 10, 2013, at 2:03 PM, Geoff Read wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>Hi all,
>>>>>>>>This series of "Aquatic Invasive Species Vector Risk
>>>>Assessments" reports from California might be of interest.
>>>>>>>><http://calost.org/science-initiatives/?page=aquatic-invasive-species>http://calost.org/science-initiatives/?page=aquatic-invasive-species>>>>>>>>>>>>In the one on live bait by Andrew Cohen we learn that Perinereis
>>>>aibuhitensis is exported by the South Koreans under the name
>>>>lugworm! Andrew doesn't blanch at heartily also adopting this
>>>>name for a nereid, usually known as ragworms, but there probably
>>>>will be a few eyebrows raised out on the Wadden Sea mudflats
>>>>where the real, and very different lugworms are most at home.
>>>>>>>>G. P. Wells? Son of the famous H. G. Wells, and the all time
>>>>pre-eminent lugworm researcher. Amongst many lugworm works Wells
>>>>wrote: The Lugworm (Arenicola)- A Study in Adaptation.
>>>>Netherlands Journal of Sea Research, 3(2): 294-313
>>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>>Geoff
>>>>--
>>>><mailto:Geoffrey.Read from niwa.co.nz>Geoffrey.Read from niwa.co.nz>>>>Lead Editor WoRMS Polychaeta (WPolyDb)
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