Thank you all for your help! Thank you for your paper, Rolando!
Here some thoughts:
A. timsii was described with uncini starting in chaetiger 3. This is quite =
unusual as most Apomatus species have uncini from chaetiger 2. Unfortunatel=
y, I have not found a single description of A. geniculata that specifically=
mentions in which chaetiger the uncini commence. But if they are present i=
n chaetiger 2, it may be significant difference.
Secondly, A. geniculata was described with 18 pairs of radioles, A. timsii =
with 40 pairs. I wonder if this is only a thing of small vs. big specimens =
(27 mm vs. 80 mm in the original descriptions) or if this quite large diffe=
rence is not an interspecific one?
Also, I doubt that Hartman (1969) examined type specimens of A. timsii. The=
refore, I think it is dangerous to base the synonymy of both species on non=
-type specimens deposited at LACM-AHF. Perhaps A. timsii should be consider=
ed valid until its type specimens have been examined?
wormly,
Michael
PS: Is the correct species name Apomatus geniculatus or A. geniculata?
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From: Harry Hove, ten [harry.tenhove from naturalis.nl]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 9:06 AM
To: Rolando Bastida-Zavala
Cc: annelida from net.bio.net; Reuscher, Michael; Geoff Read <Geoffrey.Read from niwa=
.co.nz>
Subject: Re: [Annelida] RE: Apomatus timsii Pixell, 1912
done!
2014-11-11 14:50 GMT+01:00 Rolando Bastida-Zavala <rolando from angel.umar.mx<ma=
ilto:rolando from angel.umar.mx>>:
Dear Geoff and Harry,
In separate message I sent the paper of 2008 to Michel.
Maybe, would be useful to include the mention of my paper as "source of syn=
onymy" in WoRMS.
Un abrazo!
Rolando
At 03:21 a.m. 11/11/2014, Harry Hove, ten wrote:
Michael,
Rolando B-Z includes (2008: 12) *Apomatus timsii* in the list of synonyms
of *A. geniculata,* and discusses the reasons why. In 2009 we (tH & K)
followed his thoughts, and I do not see reasons now to change my thoughts.
wormly,
Harry
2014-11-11 8:08 GMT+01:00 Geoff Read <Geoffrey.Read from niwa.co.nz<mailto:Geoff=
rey.Read from niwa.co.nz>>:
> Bastida-Zavala, J.R., 2008.- Serpulids (Annelida: Polychaeta) from the
> Eastern Pacific, including a brief mention of Hawaiian serpulids. Zootaxa
> 1722: 1-61, 13 figs, 1 appendix.
>> The above doesn't claim a new synonymy but discusses Hartman's specimens
> of A. geniculata and A. timsii in the LACM.
> It's one of the linked literature items for A. geniculatus, a WoRMS
> record created by none other than Harry ten Hove, most knowledgeable
> Serpulidae editor.
>> Geoff
>> -----Original Message-----
> From: annelida-bounces from oat.bio.indiana.edu<mailto:annelida-bounces from oat.bi=
o.indiana.edu> [mailto:
>annelida-bounces from oat.bio.indiana.edu<mailto:annelida-bounces from oat.bio.indi=
ana.edu>] On Behalf Of Reuscher, Michael
> Sent: Tuesday, 11 November 2014 8:25 a.m.
> To: Annelida from net.bio.net<mailto:Annelida from net.bio.net>
> Subject: [Annelida] Apomatus timsii Pixell, 1912
>> Hello everyone,
>> I am trying to locate the publication, in which the serpulid species
> Apomatus timsii Pixell, 1912 has been synonymized.
>> According to the WoRMS database, it is a subjective junior synonym of A.
> geniculatus (Moore & Bush, 1904). I found the species mentioned as a juni=
or
> synonym of A. geniculatus in ten Hove & Kupriyanova (2009). However, the
> synonymy is not discussed in this paper, but merely appears in a list.
> Therefore, I assume that it is not the original source of the synonymy.
>> I would be grateful for any hint!
>> Michael
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