Dear Lena,
I totally agree with our colleagues, in that that paper deserves a critique
response. It certainly will be a much better paper than the original one!
Best regards,
João
Em seg, 3 de dez de 2018 às 16:26, Sergio Salazar <savs551216 from hotmail.com>
escreveu:
> Dear Elena and colleagues,
>> Specific rebuttals should be addressed in the same journal, or at least a
> letter to the editorial board.
>> As Mariana Tovar liked to say, benthic ecologists are moving from
> cosmopolitan to exotic species, because they do not have the time, nor the
> will, for making a deeper analysis. Not just about searching for
> publications, which is regretful now, but to carefully compare (collate, as
> Linneaus liked to say) with specimens of similar size of the blank species.
>> At the same time, unlike most taxonomists, our colleagues do not have the
> time for making this type of analysis for any species they find, or think
> they find. They must keep running from sampling, sorting out specimens,
> identify them, and to write records and publish, such that they can hold
> their positions and, hopefully, be promoted. As such, their working
> conditions are just like ours. So, let's be patient with them. Let's share
> some experience and ideas with them by contacting them directly.
>> There is another thing that we should keep in mind. Throughout formal
> education students progressively lose their interest and making-questions
> ability. No wonder that by the time they are grown-ups, they will hardly
> ask for help, or question anything, especially when dealing with strict
> deadlines.
>> Let's be supportive, and more generous with our experience and ideas. Have
> fun,
>> Sergio
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>annelida-bounces from oat.bio.indiana.edu> en nombre de Elena Kupriyanova <
>Elena.Kupriyanova from austmus.gov.au>
> Enviado: lunes, 3 de diciembre de 2018 02:31 a. m.
> Para: 'annelida from net.bio.net'
> Asunto: [Annelida] FW: Why are they doing it?
>> Dear all,
>> Sorry, I just cannot be quiet about it. I just seriously wonder why
> invasion ecologists so blatantly ignore any taxonomical research and I
> wonder where they get information that they publish?
>> Here is a recent example
>https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0191859>> They claim that they found common Australian serpulid Spirobranchus
> taeniatus and that it is a NATIVE SPECIES in Bay of Biscay, Spain. A
> 5-second search shows to anyone that this species was described from
> Australia and is known only from temperate Australia (for example
>http://www.iobis.org/explore/#/taxon/844904).
> They also write exactly this:
> Five species were not native: Crassostrea gigas, Ostrea stentina,
> Austrominius modestus, Serpula columbiana, and Neodexiospira sp. C. gigas
> and A. modestus are listed in the global invasive species database (GISD,
>http://www.issg.org/database).
> Yes, Serpula columbiana is not a native species in the study area, it is
> known only from the West Coast of the USA, but it is NOT listed in the
> database above (check you don't belive me)!
> See Fig. 5 - this is what their wonderful identification "using genetic
> barcoding" looks like - the sequences are fragments of 18S! And their
> photos do not even closely resemble tubes of Spirobranchus taeniatus and
> Serpula columbiana.
> I just cannot believe it.
>>>> Dr. Elena Kupriyanova
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> Marine Invertebrates
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