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[Annelida] FW: Why are they doing it?

Christos Arvanitidis via annelida%40net.bio.net (by arvanitidis from hcmr.gr)
Tue Dec 4 03:05:46 EST 2018


Hi Lena,

Just have a second look to the comments made by Geoff.
In fact, it's not only the authors but also the reviewers.
But I wouldn't like to make such a "divisive" message to our community ;)
We all need to be more careful and devote a little bit of time when  
engaged in review business.....
Anyway, have a nice day!

Cheers,

Christos.


Quoting Elena Kupriyanova <Elena.Kupriyanova from austmus.gov.au>:

> Thanks Christos,
> It does help!
> Best,
> Lena
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christos Arvanitidis [mailto:arvanitidis from hcmr.gr]
> Sent: Monday, 3 December 2018 5:50 PM
> To: Elena Kupriyanova <Elena.Kupriyanova from austmus.gov.au>
> Cc: 'annelida from net.bio.net' <annelida from magpie.bio.indiana.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Annelida] FW: Why are they doing it?
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>
> Dear Lena and colleagues,
>
> In such cases, it is suggested by all editors that a critique  
> article pointing out these inconsistencies should be submitted to  
> the same Journal. And such articles are, indeed, considered as  
> formal publications.
> In this particular journal, I'm sure you can even ask for a fee  
> waiver to avoid the high publication costs.
>
> I remember for example Dr. Zibrowius who had detected three such  
> cases of "new species" in molluscs and other phyla whose the  
> descriptions were in fact based on Ditrupa arietina individuals.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Christos.
>
>
>
> Quoting Elena Kupriyanova <Elena.Kupriyanova from austmus.gov.au>:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Sorry, I just cannot be quiet about it. I just seriously wonder why
>> invasion ecologists so blatantly ignore any taxonomical research and I
>> wonder where they get information that they publish?
>>
>> Here is a recent example
>> https://apac01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjou
>> rnals.plos.org%2Fplosone%2Farticle%3Fid%3D10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.01918
>> 59&amp;data=02%7C01%7CElena.Kupriyanova%40austmus.gov.au%7C3161ea870e5
>> 54036494808d658eb8fec%7C6ee75868f5d64c8cb4cda3ddce30cfd6%7C0%7C0%7C636
>> 794166105412706&amp;sdata=9mpLOG%2FPJLXBzhathJGywQW0YrKUX6mbLUYdqLu%2B
>> qCc%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>
>> They claim that they found common Australian serpulid Spirobranchus
>> taeniatus and that it is a NATIVE SPECIES in Bay of Biscay, Spain. A
>> 5-second search shows to anyone that this species was described from
>> Australia and is known only from temperate Australia (for example
>> https://apac01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.iobis.org%2Fexplore%2F%23%2Ftaxon%2F844904&amp;data=02%7C01%7CElena.Kupriyanova%40austmus.gov.au%7C3161ea870e554036494808d658eb8fec%7C6ee75868f5d64c8cb4cda3ddce30cfd6%7C0%7C0%7C636794166105412706&amp;sdata=Zfa%2FdLgKDh%2B0UDhhYZpBmaPgjRN%2FRB9ZoAOdCglCIP8%3D&amp;reserved=0).
>> They also write exactly this:
>> Five species were not native: Crassostrea gigas, Ostrea stentina,
>> Austrominius modestus, Serpula columbiana, and Neodexiospira sp. C.
>> gigas and A. modestus are listed in the global invasive species
>> database (GISD,  
>> https://apac01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.issg.org%2Fdatabase&amp;data=02%7C01%7CElena.Kupriyanova%40austmus.gov.au%7C3161ea870e554036494808d658eb8fec%7C6ee75868f5d64c8cb4cda3ddce30cfd6%7C0%7C0%7C636794166105412706&amp;sdata=LRjEUQ5PP1Uq6lyG4fWKXyblKDEtuU6XANSSZMA65Ow%3D&amp;reserved=0).
>> Yes, Serpula columbiana is not a native species in the study area, it
>> is known only from the West Coast of the USA, but it is NOT listed in
>> the database above (check you don't belive me)!
>> See Fig. 5 - this is what their wonderful identification "using
>> genetic barcoding" looks like  - the sequences are fragments of 18S!
>> And their photos do not even closely resemble tubes of Spirobranchus
>> taeniatus and Serpula columbiana.
>> I just cannot believe it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dr. Elena Kupriyanova
>> Senior Research Scientist
>> Marine Invertebrates
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