Dear Geoff and Sergio:
I am so glad that Geoff has already made a PDF of the Remane classic.
The Dougherty volume is about comparative biology and phylogeny rather that taxonomy. It is interesting, from an historical perspective, for showing the sorry state of phylogenetics without genetics. Everyone was hopping on one leg back in those days, and trying very hard to make it to the ultimate synthesis without getting lost in the counting of setae.
Back in 1970, I had just published my 1969 paper on the systematics of archiannelids when I went to the conference on sipunculids organized by Mary Rice and Maksim Todorović in Yugoslavia. There I asked Ruppert Riedl, privately, if he could tell me what a primitive polychaete might be. He told me that, “you Americans are so ignorant of morphology that it would take me several hours of lecture to bring you me up to the point where you would understand an answer.”
We never got around to that lecture, but Peter Ax, Wilfried Westheide, and Reinhard Rieger, later taught me what that lecture might have included. That paper by Remane in 1932 is very important.
Cheers, Colin
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> On May 28, 2018, at 11:29 PM, Geoff Read <Geoffrey.Read from niwa.co.nz> wrote:
>>> Hi Colin & all,
>> We did have here in the stacks an original Remane 1932 in Tierwelt der Nord- und Ostsee .
>> Scanned, and I've put a copy on my google drive if it is of interest. Looks like a nice comprehensive piece of work. I don't think there is any new taxonomy, but is a good review of knowledge for the time. Just a small file.
>https://drive.google.com/open?id=17-q1b0n4IoNmpRfsou7IkBDSj2izHMIp>> Remane, A. 1932. Archiannelida. Die Tierwelt der Nord- und Ostee 22(6a): 1-36
>> Thanks for the offers of help.
>> Geoff
>>> Dr Geoff Read
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Colin Hermans [mailto:hermans from rockisland.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 29 May 2018 5:48 a.m.
> To: Harry Hove, ten <harry.tenhove from naturalis.nl>
> Cc: Geoff Read <Geoffrey.Read from niwa.co.nz>; annelida from magpie.bio.indiana.edu> Subject: Re: [Annelida] Correction RE: Fauna von Deutschland Vermes 1932
>> Dear Harry and Geoff: I have in my library, a Xerox copy of Remane’s 1932 paper. The one mentioned below.
>> I also have the book on the “Lower Metazoa” edited by Dougherty et al.(1963, University of California Press). It has two papers by Remane and several other treasures.
>> Cheers, Colin
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> > On May 28, 2018, at 3:33 AM, Harry Hove, ten <harry.tenhove from naturalis.nl> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Geoff,
> > It should be in my library, I inherited the entire series from PWH,
> > but won’t be able to take action before July, being in Southern France
> > at the moment.
> >
> > Harry
> >
> > Op maandag 28 mei 2018 heeft Geoff Read <Geoffrey.Read from niwa.co.nz> het
> > volgende geschreven:
> >
> >> Hi again,
> >>
> >> Belay that!
> >>
> >> What I really really wanted was Remane's piece on archiannelids, also
> >> 1932, and also in a book. Oops! Sloppy research.
> >>
> >> Remane, A. 1932. Archiannelida, in G. Gimpe ed., Die Tierwelt der
> >> Nord- und Ostsee: Leipzig, Akademische Verlagsgesellschaft m.b.H., p. 1-36.
> >>
> >> I will have a look around, but if anyone has it, then yes please, I'd
> >> like a copy. And if Remane's piece in the 1932 Fauna is available then that too.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Geoff
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: annelida-bounces from oat.bio.indiana.edu [mailto:
> >> annelida-bounces from oat.bio.indiana.edu] On Behalf Of Geoff Read
> >> Sent: Monday, 28 May 2018 7:26 p.m.
> >> To: annelida from magpie.bio.indiana.edu> >> Subject: [Annelida] Fauna von Deutschland Vermes 1932
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> Does anyone have access to the 1932 edition of this book, in
> >> particular a copy of the vermes section please? There is nothing
> >> online or locally in libraries.
> >>
> >> Börner, Carl; Effenberger, Walter; Ehrmann, Paul; Brohmer, Paul. 1932.
> >> Fauna von Deutschland : ein Bestimmungsbuch unserer heimischen
> >> Tierwelt [Fauna of Germany: a guidebook of our local animals]
> >>
> >> It's a field guide of sorts. I had not heard of this work, probably
> >> because it is said to exclude marine fauna, but it has many editions
> >> & editors, starting with Brohmer, and the 1932 4th edition had a
> >> Vermes contribution by Adolph Remane I would like to have a look at.
> >> I do not know for sure if he wrote just on 'archiannelids' or all
> >> worms, but think it was all worms.
>>>>>
