This is also a good point (makes finding the reference easier)! I will
mention it as well next time I am reviewing an article.
I am up for writing a multi-author letter or a short not for a journal.
Alejandro
2018-05-31 11:37 GMT+02:00 Osborn, Karen <OsbornK from si.edu>:
> I completely agree. When I review manuscripts I always suggest that
> taxonomic references must be included in the literature cited. Not only
> does this show the foundational nature of taxonomic work, but it makes it
> much easier for those starting out in taxonomy to find the complete
> references (which can be rather difficult to track down since they are
> never cited even in taxonomic papers).
>> Cheers - Karen
>> On May 31, 2018, at 5:19 AM, Daniel Martin <dani from ceab.csic.es<mailto:dani
> @ceab.csic.es>> wrote:
>> I must say that i fully agree with Sergi’s comment. A species is a
> scientific hypothesis as relevant as any ecological postulate. However, we
> are certainly in disadvantage in terms of citations because species authors
> are recurrently disregarded in terms of citations. This is particularly
> true when we are talking about ecological works, but not only: yes, in
> taxonomic papers too.
>> In all my reviews, when it applies, I always advice the authors to include
> the references of the species, but I must say that not all editors agree
> with this proposal, and I am often seeing the paper I have reviewed being
> published without what would be an appropriately complete list of cited
> references.
>> I am giving my full support to Sergi’s initiative, it is time to try to
> move things. Maybe we may start by writing a letter clearly explaining the
> situation, then try to get support from as much taxonomists as possible and
> then address it to any forum where “our” species are inappropriately used.
>> Best,
>> Dani
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> - WWW Institutional: http://www.ceab.csic.es> - WWW Personal: http://www.ceab.csic.es/personal/daniel-martin-sintes/>> El 31 maig 2018, a les 0:08, Sergio Taboada <sergiotab from gmail.com<mailto:se
>rgiotab from gmail.com>> va escriure:
>> Congratulations Geoff for the recognition! Very well deserved.
>> I would like to take advantage on this email to share some thoughts with
> you that are quite related to WoRMS. These thoughts have probably been
> raised in the past in this Annelida forum, but I would not like to lose the
> opportunity to do it now and probably *open a small debate around it*.
>> Do you know how many citations a paper like the one by Folmer et al (1994)
> describing COI primers universally used for PCR amplification and
> sequencing have? The answer is more than 9000. This paper provides a very
> useful information about the sequences of two primers that many of us use
> for our barcoding of phylogenetic analysis. But, is it more relevant in
> terms of citation on a paper than citing the paper that described a species
> reported in the same paper? The answer for that is that they would be at
> least (in my opinion) equally relevant and both should be cited in the
> text.
>> Reality is quite different. Papers like the one by Folmer et al (1994) are
> *always* cited in scientific studies, *while papers describing species are*
> *rarely* included in the reference lists unless they are part of a
> taxonomic study. It means that work done by us (when providing essential
> information about species in our taxonomic and systematic studies) is quite
> often disregarded and undervalued. We do probably are kind of responsible
> for this situation, because we tend to think that taxonomic/systematic
> studies are not to be cited in, for example, ecological papers. In this
> kind of ecological studies, for instance, we tend to provide long lists of
> species that provide a great value for our studies but just consider them
> as 'simple' names and not as a source of scientific information themselves.
> Do the papers in which these names were described have less value than the
> paper by Folmer et al (1994)? The answer is *NO*. There is loads of effort
> and work behind all these names which should be valued.
>> What can we do to fix this (unfair) situation? We are a very big and active
> community of researchers and there are several more communities as ours
> 'out' there. Most of us review papers and some are part of editorial boards
> in different scientific journals. I do not probably have a say as an
> individual but if joining together (Annelida, Porifera etc etc etc) we can
> be a quite effective 'super-organism' able to have things changed.
>> *There is a restriction of space in some of the journals: *Ok. Then let's
> add these references in a Supplementary Reference List.
>> *Taxonomy matters* and if we want other people taking it/us seriously we
> need to start by giving it the value it deserves.
>> All the best,
> Sergi.
>>> 2018-05-28 11:25 GMT+01:00 Barbara Mikac <mikacbarbara from gmail.com<mailto:
>mikacbarbara from gmail.com>>:
>> Congratulations and thank you for your efforts, Geoff!
>> Greetings,
> Barbara
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>> On 22 May 2018 at 07:59, Simon, CA, Dr [csimon from sun.ac.za<mailto:csimo
>n from sun.ac.za>] <
>CSIMON from sun.ac.za<mailto:CSIMON from sun.ac.za>>
> wrote:
>> Hi Geoff
>> I'd like to add on to all the other congratulations that have come
> through
> these last few days. You and the other editors are doing an amazing job
> that has made all of our lives so much easier.
>> Thank you very much
> Carol
>> -----Original Message-----
> From: annelida-bounces from oat.bio.indiana.edu<mailto:annelida-
>bounces from oat.bio.indiana.edu> <annelida-bounces from oat.bio<mailto:
>annelida-bounces from oat.bio>.
> indiana.edu<http://indiana.edu>> On Behalf Of Geoff Read
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 1:18 AM
> To: annelida from magpie.bio.indiana.edu<mailto:annelida from magpie.bio.indiana.edu> >
> Subject: RE: [Annelida] congratulations Geoff!
>> Thanks Nancy,
>> It’s great to get a response like that. The idea is that we put up the
> information and explanatory notes, and users can take it as they wish,
> disagree if they have reason to, and let us know if it is wrong, but most
> importantly usually only one person needs to do the time-consuming
> delving
> into the history and sorting out the anomalies. And everyone, including
> the editors, benefit if the publications are stored at WoRMS or linked
> direct to the BHL online pages, and original descriptions can be read at
> a
> click away. There’s still a lot more to do, but we are making progress.
>> I don’t do this alone, but with several current and past editors of
> particular families, including Harry ten Hove who was there even before
> Kristian contributed his database, and is still there. I’d also like to
> make special mention of João Gil, who has made a major contribution
> across
> a spectrum of families in the time since he joined in 2013, has got very
> skilled with working at WoRMS, and is great with finding and linking the
> literature. We could not keep up with the inflow without him. Thanks
> João!
>> For those that don’t know, on Twitter I am @WPolyDb posting for our
> section of the WoRMS database, retweeting new lit, nice pics, and keeping
> to wormy topics.
>> Best wishes,
>> Geoff
>> From: Nancy Maciolek [mailto:njmaciolek from gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 22 May 2018 5:34 a.m.
> To: Chris Glasby <chris.glasby from nt.gov.au<mailto:chris.glasby from nt.gov.au>>
> Cc: Geoff Read <Geoffrey.Read from niwa.co.nz<mailto:Geoffrey.Read from niwa.co.nz> >>;
>annelida from magpie.bio.indiana.ed<mailto:annelida from magpie.bio.indiana.ed>
> Subject: Re: [Annelida] congratulations Geoff!
>> I would like to congratulate Geoff on this award and also thank him
> enthusiastically for all he has done to significantly upgrade the WoRMS
> database over the past several years. It is simply amazing to me that we
> now have links to so many publications embedded in the database, as well
> as
> history on some of the name changes, comments on same, and other pieces
> of
> information that in the "old days" might have been impossible to ferret
> out
> without a great deal of effort. A huge job, well done.
>> Thank you, Geoff!
>> best regards,
> Nancy
>> Nancy J. Maciolek
>> On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 10:26 PM, Chris Glasby <chris.glasby from nt.gov.au<
> mailto:chris.glasby from nt.gov.au>> wrote:
> Hats off to our World Polychaeta Database leader.
>> WoRMS has just announced that Geoff has received an 'Achievement Award'
> at
> the 5th World Conference of Marine Biodiversity (Canada, Montreal, 16
> May)
> for the major and very detailed contributions he has made to WoRMS in the
> past years, and his input & constructive feedback during his time on the
> Steering Committee.
>> The announcement also acknowledged his work as the driving force behind
> The World Polychaeta Database (http://www.marinespecies.org/polychaeta),
> his efforts to create a more inclusive online AnnelidaBase (in analogy
> with
> MolluscaBase), and for communicating the good work of WoRMS through
> Twitter.
>> Great work Geoff!! I think I can say for all that we are all massively
> appreciative of the work you do to make our online annelid lives easier.
>> Best, Chris
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