I also totally agree with these iniciatives.
I think a short note for a journal would be an excellent beginning.
Best wishes,
maite
Alejandro Martínez García <amartinez.ull from gmail.com> escribió:
> This is also a good point (makes finding the reference easier)! I will
> mention it as well next time I am reviewing an article.
> I am up for writing a multi-author letter or a short not for a journal.
> Alejandro
>> 2018-05-31 11:37 GMT+02:00 Osborn, Karen <OsbornK from si.edu>:
>>> I completely agree. When I review manuscripts I always suggest that
>> taxonomic references must be included in the literature cited. Not only
>> does this show the foundational nature of taxonomic work, but it makes it
>> much easier for those starting out in taxonomy to find the complete
>> references (which can be rather difficult to track down since they are
>> never cited even in taxonomic papers).
>>>> Cheers - Karen
>>>> On May 31, 2018, at 5:19 AM, Daniel Martin <dani from ceab.csic.es<mailto:dani
>> @ceab.csic.es>> wrote:
>>>> I must say that i fully agree with Sergi’s comment. A species is a
>> scientific hypothesis as relevant as any ecological postulate. However, we
>> are certainly in disadvantage in terms of citations because species authors
>> are recurrently disregarded in terms of citations. This is particularly
>> true when we are talking about ecological works, but not only: yes, in
>> taxonomic papers too.
>>>> In all my reviews, when it applies, I always advice the authors to include
>> the references of the species, but I must say that not all editors agree
>> with this proposal, and I am often seeing the paper I have reviewed being
>> published without what would be an appropriately complete list of cited
>> references.
>>>> I am giving my full support to Sergi’s initiative, it is time to try to
>> move things. Maybe we may start by writing a letter clearly explaining the
>> situation, then try to get support from as much taxonomists as possible and
>> then address it to any forum where “our” species are inappropriately used.
>>>> Best,
>>>> Dani
>>>>>>>>>> ——
>>>> Dr. Daniel Martin
>> Scientific Researcher
>>>> Centre d’Estudis Avançats de Blanes (CEAB - CSIC)
>>>> - Carrer d'accès a la Cala Sant Francesc 14
>> - 17300 Blanes (Girona), Catalunya (Spain)
>> - Tel: (34) 972336101
>> - Mobile phone: (34) 636046003
>> - Fax: (34) 972337806
>> - WWW Institutional: http://www.ceab.csic.es>> - WWW Personal: http://www.ceab.csic.es/personal/daniel-martin-sintes/>>>> El 31 maig 2018, a les 0:08, Sergio Taboada <sergiotab from gmail.com<mailto:se
>>rgiotab from gmail.com>> va escriure:
>>>> Congratulations Geoff for the recognition! Very well deserved.
>>>> I would like to take advantage on this email to share some thoughts with
>> you that are quite related to WoRMS. These thoughts have probably been
>> raised in the past in this Annelida forum, but I would not like to lose the
>> opportunity to do it now and probably *open a small debate around it*.
>>>> Do you know how many citations a paper like the one by Folmer et al (1994)
>> describing COI primers universally used for PCR amplification and
>> sequencing have? The answer is more than 9000. This paper provides a very
>> useful information about the sequences of two primers that many of us use
>> for our barcoding of phylogenetic analysis. But, is it more relevant in
>> terms of citation on a paper than citing the paper that described a species
>> reported in the same paper? The answer for that is that they would be at
>> least (in my opinion) equally relevant and both should be cited in the
>> text.
>>>> Reality is quite different. Papers like the one by Folmer et al (1994) are
>> *always* cited in scientific studies, *while papers describing species are*
>> *rarely* included in the reference lists unless they are part of a
>> taxonomic study. It means that work done by us (when providing essential
>> information about species in our taxonomic and systematic studies) is quite
>> often disregarded and undervalued. We do probably are kind of responsible
>> for this situation, because we tend to think that taxonomic/systematic
>> studies are not to be cited in, for example, ecological papers. In this
>> kind of ecological studies, for instance, we tend to provide long lists of
>> species that provide a great value for our studies but just consider them
>> as 'simple' names and not as a source of scientific information themselves.
>> Do the papers in which these names were described have less value than the
>> paper by Folmer et al (1994)? The answer is *NO*. There is loads of effort
>> and work behind all these names which should be valued.
>>>> What can we do to fix this (unfair) situation? We are a very big and active
>> community of researchers and there are several more communities as ours
>> 'out' there. Most of us review papers and some are part of editorial boards
>> in different scientific journals. I do not probably have a say as an
>> individual but if joining together (Annelida, Porifera etc etc etc) we can
>> be a quite effective 'super-organism' able to have things changed.
>>>> *There is a restriction of space in some of the journals: *Ok. Then let's
>> add these references in a Supplementary Reference List.
>>>> *Taxonomy matters* and if we want other people taking it/us seriously we
>> need to start by giving it the value it deserves.
>>>> All the best,
>> Sergi.
>>>>>> 2018-05-28 11:25 GMT+01:00 Barbara Mikac <mikacbarbara from gmail.com<mailto:
>>mikacbarbara from gmail.com>>:
>>>> Congratulations and thank you for your efforts, Geoff!
>>>> Greetings,
>> Barbara
>>>> _____________
>> Barbara Mikac
>> Professor of Bology, microbiology and healthcare control
>> Institute of Higher Education "Ettore Majorana"
>> Technical and technological Institute - Healthcare biotechnologies
>> Via Caselle 26
>> 40068 San Lazzaro di Savena
>> Bologna
>> Italy
>>>> On 22 May 2018 at 07:59, Simon, CA, Dr [csimon from sun.ac.za<mailto:csimo
>>n from sun.ac.za>] <
>>CSIMON from sun.ac.za<mailto:CSIMON from sun.ac.za>>
>> wrote:
>>>> Hi Geoff
>>>> I'd like to add on to all the other congratulations that have come
>> through
>> these last few days. You and the other editors are doing an amazing job
>> that has made all of our lives so much easier.
>>>> Thank you very much
>> Carol
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: annelida-bounces from oat.bio.indiana.edu<mailto:annelida-
>>bounces from oat.bio.indiana.edu> <annelida-bounces from oat.bio<mailto:
>>annelida-bounces from oat.bio>.
>> indiana.edu<http://indiana.edu>> On Behalf Of Geoff Read
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 1:18 AM
>> To: annelida from magpie.bio.indiana.edu<mailto:annelida from magpie.bio.indiana.edu>> >
>> Subject: RE: [Annelida] congratulations Geoff!
>>>> Thanks Nancy,
>>>> It’s great to get a response like that. The idea is that we put up the
>> information and explanatory notes, and users can take it as they wish,
>> disagree if they have reason to, and let us know if it is wrong, but most
>> importantly usually only one person needs to do the time-consuming
>> delving
>> into the history and sorting out the anomalies. And everyone, including
>> the editors, benefit if the publications are stored at WoRMS or linked
>> direct to the BHL online pages, and original descriptions can be read at
>> a
>> click away. There’s still a lot more to do, but we are making progress.
>>>> I don’t do this alone, but with several current and past editors of
>> particular families, including Harry ten Hove who was there even before
>> Kristian contributed his database, and is still there. I’d also like to
>> make special mention of João Gil, who has made a major contribution
>> across
>> a spectrum of families in the time since he joined in 2013, has got very
>> skilled with working at WoRMS, and is great with finding and linking the
>> literature. We could not keep up with the inflow without him. Thanks
>> João!
>>>> For those that don’t know, on Twitter I am @WPolyDb posting for our
>> section of the WoRMS database, retweeting new lit, nice pics, and keeping
>> to wormy topics.
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>> Geoff
>>>> From: Nancy Maciolek [mailto:njmaciolek from gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, 22 May 2018 5:34 a.m.
>> To: Chris Glasby <chris.glasby from nt.gov.au<mailto:chris.glasby from nt.gov.au>>
>> Cc: Geoff Read <Geoffrey.Read from niwa.co.nz<mailto:Geoffrey.Read from niwa.co.nz>> >>;
>>annelida from magpie.bio.indiana.ed<mailto:annelida from magpie.bio.indiana.ed>
>> Subject: Re: [Annelida] congratulations Geoff!
>>>> I would like to congratulate Geoff on this award and also thank him
>> enthusiastically for all he has done to significantly upgrade the WoRMS
>> database over the past several years. It is simply amazing to me that we
>> now have links to so many publications embedded in the database, as well
>> as
>> history on some of the name changes, comments on same, and other pieces
>> of
>> information that in the "old days" might have been impossible to ferret
>> out
>> without a great deal of effort. A huge job, well done.
>>>> Thank you, Geoff!
>>>> best regards,
>> Nancy
>>>> Nancy J. Maciolek
>>>> On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 10:26 PM, Chris Glasby <chris.glasby from nt.gov.au<
>> mailto:chris.glasby from nt.gov.au>> wrote:
>> Hats off to our World Polychaeta Database leader.
>>>> WoRMS has just announced that Geoff has received an 'Achievement Award'
>> at
>> the 5th World Conference of Marine Biodiversity (Canada, Montreal, 16
>> May)
>> for the major and very detailed contributions he has made to WoRMS in the
>> past years, and his input & constructive feedback during his time on the
>> Steering Committee.
>>>> The announcement also acknowledged his work as the driving force behind
>> The World Polychaeta Database (http://www.marinespecies.org/polychaeta),
>> his efforts to create a more inclusive online AnnelidaBase (in analogy
>> with
>> MolluscaBase), and for communicating the good work of WoRMS through
>> Twitter.
>>>> Great work Geoff!! I think I can say for all that we are all massively
>> appreciative of the work you do to make our online annelid lives easier.
>>>> Best, Chris
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