richcooper1 at mindspring.com
Sun Oct 29 10:55:56 EST 2000
> Throughout your postings it seems your primary interest in this
> endeavor is the underlying "fee-based" service. Unfortunately, it might
> stimulate more "scientific" interest if the underlying goal was to develop
> such useful tool for research purposes without a drive to make a profit
> all of the scientific collaboration that went into the development.
My primary motive is scientific research, by which I mean computer science
research. The reason I got a PhD in the first place was to do research.
When I started teach CS, I found out that the university and NSF research
path is not able to adapt to quick changes. The time it takes to go from
an idea to a project is amazingly long when you have to get funding
approved. So I changed to a private company version of research where
the products that emerge pay for the R&D to make the next stage of
However, I have no objection to those people who are primarily motivated
by the money instead of the science. It takes all kinds to make a world,
and no motivation is inherently "better" than another.
I want to develop a software product that meets the needs of genetic
researchers so well that they are pleased to pay a modest monthly fee
from their research grants to get the added productivity my software
will provide. Good rewards for good work. That tells me I've done
Hope that helps clarify my motivation here. It takes a long term
continuing revenue stream to support the long term research that
produces good products.
> > Thanks for your comments, Petr:
> > > Rich Cooper wrote:
> > > ...
> > > > Does anyone see a need for commercially supported simulation
> > > > services that might provide the support researchers need to conduct
> > > > very large, very complex simulations? Something that might be an
> > > > ASP type of service, with a modest monthly fee ...
> > >
> > > Personally, I think you are probably ahead of your time here. You are
> > > asking about the viability of a commercial service in cellular
> > > simulations, as if there already existed an accepted methodology for
> > > mathematical simulation of cellular processes. The fact is, Science
> > > will have to come before Business here, but in my opinion this kind of
> > > science is not yet mature enough.
> > >
> > > Please note in the Chemical & Engineering News, October 16, 2000, an
> > > article on page 24. You'll see a picture of Nobel laureate Alfred
> > > Gilman (discoverer of G-protein signaling in cells) sitting in front
> > > a computer, talking about the "Alliance for Cellular Signaling"
> > > (http://afcs.swmed.edu/). He is the director of this new
> > > funded by the federal government (National Institute of General
> > > Sciences) and a dozen pharma companies.
> > >
> > > The idea is to put on the Internet, for a free access by anyone,
> > > results from experimental and theoretical (simulation) studies of
> > > individual pieces of the cellular signaling puzzle. The "Alliance"
> > > talk about individual "molecule pages", which anyone will be able to
> > > access and even re-publish in their own papers if they can find use
> > > the results. For speed of publication, there will not be journal
> > > articles, but the "Alliance" website(s) will be internally
> > > peer-reviewed.
> > >
> > > ...
> > >
> > > Anyway, it's all just at the beginning. It'll take quite a few years
> > > cranking out tons of experimental data, as well as developing entirely
> > > new computational strategies, before anyone will be able to build a
> > > credible mathematical model of a cancerous cell. I think that is what
> > > you are interested in selling, but if you look at
> > > http://afcs.swmed.edu/, you can probably see that the market for your
> > > service probably isn't there given the state of the basic science in
> > > this area.
> > Yes, the AFCS's goals are very much in line with mine. They want to
> > build the "Molecule Pages", including tables of data as defined on their
> > site. And you're right, the data isn't there yet - they posted a five
> > year goal and a ten year goal.
> > My goal is not to get into specific areas of biological research, but to
> > put together a tool that researchers can eventually use to study disease
> > processes, in greater detail than they could without the tool. The tool
> > should be able to use public databases like the AFCS's, FlyBase,
> > Mus, and MitoMap.
> > My goal is to provide a tool that is so useful to researchers that they
> > are please to pay a reasonable usage fee for the results they get.
> > Certainly from the start, there will be many databases. I saw one
> > web site that claimed there are presently about 500 databases that
> > make genetic information public. Surely a tool that could be used
> > by researchers to unify the vast data resources would be needed.
> > Is that more in line with the present state of conditions?
> > Sincerely,
> > Rich Cooper
> > > Hope this helps,
> > >
> > >
> > > - Petr
> > _____________________________________________________________________
> > > P e t r K u z m i c, Ph.D. mailto:pkuzmic at biokin.com
> > > BioKin Ltd. * Software and Consulting http://www.biokin.com
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