Your Announcement and Proposed Changes

BIOSCI Administrator biosci-help at NET.BIO.NET
Tue Mar 7 13:48:07 EST 1995

> Is that really a better analogy? If we create a _separate group_ for
> commercial posts, IMO that is very much like having the product
> announcements placed together in the back pages of Science. Except that it
> would be better, because the announcements could be archived, and then
> they would be cumulative and searchable.

Unfortunately I have a lot of work to do today and will have to reply
to most of these posts later this week.

However, let me summarize a couple of points succinctly.

This thread started when we posted our announcement about raising
funds through our WWW home page.  David States replied that we should
think about raising revenue through broadcasting ads.  I replied that
such a move was considered but rejected.  On the admin side, it
entails adding additional administrative overhead for bill collecting.
It is also an unwise precedent to set for a number of other reasons
that were discussed, e.g., (1) who has any right to charge for
messages on a cooperative network like USENET when the contributions
come from the readers, and (2) I am very concerned that such a move,
even if supposedly restricted to one newsgroup, will simply accelerate
the amount of cheating in other newsgroups by people who claim that
"they didn't know the rules."  These newsgroups are open forums and it
is very easy for them to be corrupted and the readership driven away
if the wrong steps are taken.

Next, Jeff Rawlings resurrects the issue again trying to say that we
should do this simply because the information is so useful to our
users.  At least one reader replies that they can get this useful
information other ways and would stop reading the groups if they were
inundated with commercials.

Finally from the administrative side, we are trying to raise money at
NSF's request (instead of continually going back to Uncle Sam who is
going broke these days) via an accepted mode of Internet advertising,
i.e., the WWW.  As I mentioned above, we have no need to increase the
costs of the system by having to engage in bill collecting, AND

**** I see absolutely no need to provide companies with free
advertising if this means that they are not going to support the
system ****.

No other medium, i.e., print, radio, or TV, would operate in such a
ridiculous manner.

Regarding Jeff's scenarios of what consitutes a commercial, I will
reply at length later when I have time.  NSF never spelled out the AUP
in Koranic detail for good reason.  Our commercial use policy has
been publicly available in our FAQ for a long time, and I include it

I also hasten to add in response to another post that we do not let
academic people do things like their own book promotions, etc., on
BIOSCI.  If these items are brought to our attention, we have taken
action against them.


				Dave Kristofferson
				BIOSCI/bionet Manager

				biosci-help at



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