Nat' debt induced war
John at nine7.demon.co.uk
Fri Jan 10 17:38:47 EST 1997
I've made this small note, warning of debt induced war and its causes, 10's
of years in the future as off shore economy challanges democratic nations.
I made it from research after dreams dreamt some years ago, especially after
a dream that had:- a 3man military team doing a mission cuting electronic
money cables by the side of rail lines + robots tererizing military
I distributed it here in paper form at first:-
DANGER-ROBOTICS COULD DESTROY DEMOCRACY FOR THE UNEMPLOYABLE.
UNIONS & DEMOCRACY SLOW THE DEVELOPMENT OF AUTOMATION IN ORDER TO
MAINTAIN EFFECTIVE EMPLOYMENT TRAINING FOR ADAPTION TO AUTOMATION
FOR EVERYONE. BUT EVENTUALLY REMOTE CONTROLLED ROBOTICS MAY
DEVELOP WITHOUT THIS SLOWING IN SPACE AND AT SEA.
-SPACE-LAWLESS, TAXLESS, RENT & MORGAGE LESS, WIDE ACCESS
POSSIBILITIES, MICRO GRAVITY & SOLAR WATTS, CORROSION & BUG LESS.
-ROBOTS-ABLE TO WORK WHERE MAN HAS DIFICULTY DOING WORK AND STILL
EVOLVING WITH THE DISCOVERIES OF PHYSICS.
-CABLED MONEY-REPLACING CASH WITH CREDIT CARD SORT AND GOING
THROUGH ALL ON ONE METROPOLITAN RING CABLES THAT ARE EASY TO CUT.
THE OWNERS OF THESE NEW ROBOTS IN SATELLITES AND AUTOMATED ISLAND
SHIPS, MAY EVENTUALLY CUT THE CABLES OF OUR CABLED MONEY TO STOP
OUR DEMOCRACY OR OUR UNEMPLOYED INTERFERING WITH THEIR ACCESS TO
(But they allways have worst competitors who are more dictator like
so you will have to choose who of the owners your work in total helps.)
EARTH RESOURCES. TROUBLE MAKERS MAY BECOME SLAVES IN THE LANDFILLS
GATHERING SHINY METAL WITH ROBOT SLAVE DRIVERS. ALL BIT LIKE THE
AMERICAN GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN OF 1995 THAT WAS LIKE A BANK
REPOSSESSING BECAUSE OF GOVERNMENT DEFAULT ON REPAYMENT OF NAT' DEBT.
HOW CAN WE BE SAFE?
-BE AWARE OF INCIDENTS OF AT SEA/SPACE AND DISCUSS THIS WITH
OTHERS. (WHILE AVERAGE PAY GROWS & ROBOTS SMARTER/CHEAPER ON GOES)
-DEVELOP OUR CAREERS FOR CARE AND ASSESMENT JOBS THAT WILL ALWAYS
BE NEEDED TO GUIDE MACHINES TO HUMAN INTEREST.
-LEARN TO FEED OFF OF NATURE EFFICENTLY IN AN EMERGENCY EVEN ON
THE MOVE TO AVOID CAPTURE. LEARNING TO EAT WEEDS/TREES AND ECOLOGY
IS PROBABLY THE MAJORITYS BEST BACKUP AS DOUBT OF THE FUTURE GROWS
WITH ROBOTOTICS. THERE IS STILL MUCH ROOM YET TO USE CALORIES EVEN
MORE EFFICENTLY FOR SURVIVAL EMERGANCY METHOD RESEARCH.
-AVOID CRIME AS IT LEADS TOO VIOLENT CRIMINALS AND AUTHORITIES.
VICTORS & LOSERS OF THE FUTURE MAYBE ARE SENDING WARNINGS INTO OUR
DREAMS, SO THAT YOU MIGHT DECIPHER A MESSAGE TOO.
ELABORATION ON THIS:-
Democracy will probably vote for itself to borow and borow over a long
time to cope with the uncompetive needs of a large part of the voters.
Business doesn't down size at the earliast opertunity of automation, but
instead explores the potential of its employees as long as things are
predictable economicaly and steady, plus rules ask them to be considerate.
But if the economy has inflation due to borrowing by the govenment, things
beome less predictable for numerous reasens.
When a cause of market sudden fall hapens, emergancy procedure occurs and
firms are sold to downsizing specialists who like repo' firms ruthlessly
grab what they can still of value.
The security of contracts with employees becomes void more or less
immediatly like a shutdown for reorganisation.
The war mentioned of the rich off shore lot against democracy where
electronic money cables are cut on the ground globally, is a larger version
of this downsizing process.
PERSONALTIES OF THE MOST HIGH?
Who are the bankers in charge of nationl banks like the bank of england,
which is a private organisation and what part do swiss banks personalties
play in these national banks?
Over the years ahead you will decide what sort of people to suport with the
total of your lifes work.
They could be terrists trying to keep other mad types at bay in the gutter.
They could be democracy against terrerists and other life abuses and abusers.
They could be some off shore enterprise looking for security from both debt
ridden demcracy or terrerists who could take up off shore power too.
This ethical offshore group would also aim to take the benifits of
planet life to its safist future as gene and age problems grow medicaly
as its investers would be most likly be its first benifactors medicaly.
Eventually the earth must be taken from the classes of consistant violance
as it seems inprobable that they could handle the ever growing power of tech'
power responcibly.(Though researching dyslexia's cause may help with talent
inequality and medicine is growing in a big way as an employer)
When will it happen and how depends on how it is resisted by those who could
resist the posibibility.
Already power lines are being incorparated with trunk communication lines
that also carry the bulk of currancy.
Already robots evolve in all types of environment with surprising
frightening possible uses.
SOME MORE DETAILED POSSIBILITIES>
I'm an electronics repair specialist and being in the trade I feel I
understand how robots will come to be in our lives.
The principal milestone to watch for is that robots in car factorys will
be able to make diferant models of car from the same production line and
be able to make prototypes off of it too.
There after the factory mainframes which control the robots will take
about 10 years to be cheap & small enough for anything involving labour.
Robots being key change to the new military and economy.
We've seen countrys like Haiti colapse economicaly, but theres alot more
obvious warning than the 4 minute one we used to listen for.
I imagine another scenario, where society is maintained by a surplus of
workers, some willing to volenteer even.
The signs of government borrowing and economic decline haveing sneaked
slowly into everyday life, with many being patched over with new security
Then a mixture of events causes markets to crash as they have before and
as society is no longer the bread maker of the economy by this time, repo'
organisations are called in with no warning to recycal the government
maintained infrastructure of the masses.
By cutting the cables of electronic money, that run along the railways
and leaving the rich in their well gaurded homes with satellite links
for their electronic money.
Plus gaurds are used to protect pipelines and hunt any organised refugees
like in chetchnia and with the kurds.
Robotics is being used militarily by the Israely's in the form of forward
observers and drones.
I expect by now surgary performing robots is becoming comon to surgical
theatres as well as war theatres as in 1989 I saw a prototype on TV.
Nano robots are being researched but bugs and small remote controlled
devices like the toy cars are probably used by security forces.
Inteligant moving mines at sea are available for use, by most hi-tech
countrys and some say some already sit on the sea bed awaiting orders.
The US have smart boms that can see the diferance between a tank and a tent
The British have controlled explosion robots.
That have an arm, on a pair of catapillar tracks and managed by a man in
It is armed with a rifle and a pile of explosive.
I saw it on the news, shoot a car window, then enter the car thru the hole,
then blow up the car and the car bom, whilest it was still inside.
The car colapsed like a party balloon, but the robot looked ungrazed even.
Needless to say this was northern ireland.
SURVIVAL ON THE RUN (see misc.survivalism + alt.survival)
Anyway the question is how best to survive with gaurds hunting every sign
of organised refugees?
Even if you are one of the Rich who could survive almost unscaved, you
still may have old aquantances and distant relatives with the problem
of survival on the run.
I expect that a reposesion organisation would wish to prevent disease
and the old and young may be given preventitive medical treatment but
the cost to them may be being impounded and given work recycaling
rubish from landfills with little social segragation from hard criminals.
Really legalised slavery couuld be the norm for the masses.
Assuming vast areas of the land mass wouldn't be required as most of the
masses would be impounded and the bigger than ever need to grow more flora &
forna for bio-diversity, then there may be plenty of hiding places for
refugees on the move.
As medicine and illness causes grow from old age and polution, more
experimenting on apes may happen.
The sooner these apes are treated better or not experimented on because of
alternative experimenting methods developed, the more chance low class
people and refugees will have of also not being experimented on.
In Iraq the unemployable are watched to gaurd the oil pipeline and
experimented on with the residue of the smart bio/chem/nuke weapens.
Making the abductions of the X-files look small feed, though the conspiracy
matchs the way the gulf war syndromes suferers have been turned away
so soon after the war and seems real today.
For some couples avoiding capture the ability to suck juice from river
reeds and use a canoe as both tent and sledge, is the sort of skills
I think they would need.
Firing guns would attract unwanted company and larger groups would be
With modern biology survival at this level of technology can be better
than ever in recorded history, but research is needed.
FICTIONAL MEDIA ON THESE IDEAS
I have also noted relevant productions Bladerunner, Neuromancer, space above
& beyond, Independance day, and numerous 1984 productions such as Repoman
& Terminater in film & music such as Eliminator by ZZtop.
Tricky, White Zombie, massive attack and possibly M peaple seem to have
simarlar ideas in recent music.
MAYBE ITS HAPENED BEFORE?
In archeology 12.5 thousand year pyramids as oppose to about 5 is being
accepted and a possible link to the end of a big ice age that covered
northen europe as an example of past global warming from mans business.
Maybe it has happened before and recycaling robots ate the evidance to
protect the earth 12 thousand years ago after the big global warmup.
With all the other dangerous technologys like nuclear warheads its surprising
that we have never built shelters as strong as the pyramids still.
It seems we are waiting to get out to space with its infinite resources
The 4 problems on the road to space:-
Who to trust with the growing power of technology.(ie medicine.)
Who to employ with redundancy catching out people so often.(ie robots.)
How to protect the earth as the only known relieable arc of life, whilest
requiring space for jobs from growth.(ie costly outer space access.)
How to quell peoples agressive drive in all sorts of competion untill
we can choose our own way in space entirely individually.(ie mateing race)
FEEDBACK FEEDBACK FEEDBACK FEEDBACK?
Anybody is welcome to reply directly for more or to sugest referances.
People have written e-mails, both praiseing with agreement or flameing for
My english isn't a high standard, so any sugestions on this 3 * A4 layout
could be usefull, my e-mail address is john at nine7.demon.co.uk
It never will *(The labourers razed the barn, then ran away, so began the
It never would *steam age. The yeomanry with swords took on the crowd of
It never did *pitchfork holders and arrested the ring leaders with little
It never should *difficulty. Later the top 3 were hanged. Labour won more
happen *and live comfortably. But yeomanry robots evolve onwards)
This new sig, here is a bit off topic.
Pardon it, for it knows not its place in the representations of people.
Yours sincerely John *?*?*?*?Us neurons, don't KNOW that much, period?*?*?*
After all, what is existance, without socialising and alt.landfills?*?*
I want the world to get better, not on a whim, but awesome tide of tech' power
comes in, abusers and their oposition (planning purges?), grows in dangers*?*?
?*?*?*?*?*Weighing down my back is folded robot burden*?*?*?*?*?*?
Whilest the computers completly double in power every 18 months, I dream of
sucking juice from a tree, warm, comfortable, hiden and with a partner.
Welcome to the fantastic toys planet, but watch yourself.
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